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23:27:14 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-irc
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23:27:21 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public ←
23:27:51 <ivan> Meeting: DPUB IG F2F first day, 2015-10-29, Sapporo
23:28:00 <ivan> RRSAgent, this meeting spans midnight
Ivan Herman: RRSAgent, this meeting spans midnight ←
23:28:10 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
23:28:39 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#First_day_.2829_Oct.29
23:28:45 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#First_day_.2829_Oct.29
Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#First_day_.2829_Oct.29 ←
23:31:01 <ivan> Present+ Charles_LaPierre, Tzviya_Siegman, Vlad_Levantovsky, Dave_Cramer, Karen_Myers, Rob_Sanderson, Heather_Flanagan, Liam_Quin
Ivan Herman: Present+ Charles_LaPierre, Tzviya_Siegman, Vlad_Levantovsky, Dave_Cramer, Karen_Myers, Rob_Sanderson, Heather_Flanagan, Liam_Quin ←
23:31:45 <ivan> Present+ Lars_Svensson
Ivan Herman: Present+ Lars_Svensson ←
23:34:01 <LarsG> present+ LarsG
Scribe problem: the name 'LarsG' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'LarsG' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown LarsG: present+ LarsG ←
23:51:56 <Karen> present+ Karen
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Karen Myers: present+ Karen ←
23:52:21 <glazou> present+ glazou
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown glazou: present+ glazou ←
23:53:12 <myles> present+ myles
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Scribe problem: the name 'myles' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown myles: present+ myles ←
23:56:26 <dauwhe> Zakim, what is best in life?
Dave Cramer: Zakim, what is best in life? ←
23:56:26 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, dauwhe. ←
23:56:53 <glazou> MATH
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown glazou: MATH ←
23:57:02 <glazou> because M+A+T+H=42
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown glazou: because M+A+T+H=42 ←
23:57:40 <glazou> Zakim, best in life is MATH because M+A+T+H=42
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown glazou: Zakim, best in life is MATH because M+A+T+H=42 ←
23:57:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'best in life is MATH because M+A+T+H=42', glazou
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'best in life is MATH because M+A+T+H=42', glazou ←
23:57:41 <Jeff_Xu> present+ Jeff_Xu
23:57:59 <liam> present+ Liam_Quin
Liam Quin: present+ Liam_Quin ←
23:57:59 <Heather__> Newcomer's in the room think we're all speaking telepathically.
Scribe problem: the name 'Heather__' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Scribe problem: the name 'Heather__' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Heather__: Newcomer's in the room think we're all speaking telepathically. ←
23:58:07 <brady_duga> present+ duga
Brady Duga: present+ duga ←
23:58:20 <glazou> Heather__: aren't we ?-)
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Unknown Heather__: aren't we ?-) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown glazou ] ←
23:58:46 <Heather__> You mean, the entire dpub group is IN MY HEAD???
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Scribe problem: the name 'Heather__' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Heather__: You mean, the entire dpub group is IN MY HEAD??? ←
23:58:48 <Heather__> AAAAAHHHHH!
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Scribe problem: the name 'Heather__' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Heather__: AAAAAHHHHH! ←
23:59:05 <glazou> BRAINS, BRAAAIIIINS
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown glazou: BRAINS, BRAAAIIIINS ←
00:00:44 <glazou> tjena
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown glazou: tjena ←
00:01:41 <glazou> ScribeNick: glazou
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00:01:44 <glazou> Chair: tzviya
00:01:55 <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
RRSAgent, make logs public ←
00:02:04 <glazou> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
00:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html glazou
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00:02:31 <glazou> tzviya: let's get started
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Tzviya Siegman: let's get started ←
00:02:41 <azaroth_> present+ Rob_Sanderson
Robert Sanderson: present+ Rob_Sanderson ←
00:02:48 <glazou> tzviya: intros first
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Tzviya Siegman: intros first ←
00:03:05 <glazou> tzviya Sigman, co-chair DPUB
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
tzviya Sigman, co-chair DPUB ←
00:03:26 <glazou> Dave Cramer, Hachette, and also CSS WG
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Dave Cramer, Hachette, and also CSS WG ←
00:03:43 <glazou> Murakami-san, Vivliostyle
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Murakami-san, Vivliostyle ←
00:04:18 <glazou> Jeff Xu, Kobo
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Jeff Xu, Kobo ←
00:04:30 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya
Tzviya Siegman: present+ Tzviya ←
00:04:33 <Judy> present+ Judy
Scribe problem: the name 'Judy' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Judy' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Judy: present+ Judy ←
00:04:35 <Karen> present+ Karen
Karen Myers: present+ Karen ←
00:04:37 <Florian> present+ Florian
Florian Rivoal: present+ Florian ←
00:04:39 <myles> present+ myles
Scribe problem: the name 'myles' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'myles' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown myles: present+ myles ←
00:04:58 <SteveZ> present+
Scribe problem: the name 'SteveZ' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'SteveZ' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown SteveZ: present+ ←
00:04:59 <glazou> Charles Lapierre, Benetech
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Charles Lapierre, Benetech ←
00:05:16 <glazou> Daniel Glazman, Disruptive Innovations, ex-cochair CSS WG, BlueGriffon author
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Daniel Glazman, Disruptive Innovations, ex-cochair CSS WG, BlueGriffon author ←
00:05:20 <mgylling> present+ mgylling
Markus Gylling: present+ mgylling ←
00:05:37 <glazou> Lars Svensson, german national library
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Lars Svensson, german national library ←
00:05:59 <glazou> Karen Myers, W3C Staff
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Karen Myers, W3C Staff ←
00:06:11 <glazou> Bobby Tung
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Bobby Tung ←
00:06:14 <Bobby> Bobby Tung, invited Expert
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Scribe problem: the name 'Bobby' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Bobby: Bobby Tung, invited Expert ←
00:06:19 <glazou> Steven Zilles, Adobe
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Steven Zilles, Adobe ←
00:06:35 <glazou> Liam Quinn, W3C
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Liam Quin, W3C ←
00:06:55 <glazou> Florian Rivoal, Vivliostyle
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Florian Rivoal, Vivliostyle ←
00:07:20 <glazou> Myles Maxfield, Apple
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Myles Maxfield, Apple ←
00:08:22 <tzviya> rob sanderson, stanford Universuty
Tzviya Siegman: rob sanderson, stanford University ←
00:08:36 <dauwhe> Benjamin Young, Hypothesis
Dave Cramer: Benjamin Young, Hypothesis ←
00:08:38 <glazou> Brady Duga, Google
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Brady Duga, Google ←
00:08:53 <azaroth> Rob Sanderson, Stanford University, co-chair of Annotation WG, editor of annotation use cases doc for DPUB
Robert Sanderson: Rob Sanderson, Stanford University, co-chair of Annotation WG, editor of annotation use cases doc for DPUB ←
00:08:53 <liam> s/Liam Quinn/Liam Quin/
00:09:04 <Karen> Ben Whittam Smith
Karen Myers: Ben Whittam Smith ←
00:09:12 <tzviya> Ben Whittman-Smith, thomson Reuters
Tzviya Siegman: Ben Whittman-Smith, thomson Reuters ←
00:09:14 <glazou> Ted O'Connor
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Ted O'Connor ←
00:09:17 <glazou> (apple)
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(apple) ←
00:09:19 <LarsG> s/Universuty/University/
00:09:42 <glazou> Judy Brewer, A11Y
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Judy Brewer, A11Y ←
00:10:01 <glazou> Johannes Wilm
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Johannes Wilm ←
00:10:26 <baba> Takao Baba, BPS.
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Scribe problem: the name 'baba' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown baba: Takao Baba, BPS. ←
00:10:28 <glazou> Heather Flanagan
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Heather Flanagan ←
00:10:40 <glazou> Vladimir Levantowski
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Vladimir Levantovsky ←
00:11:07 <glazou> Ivan Hermann
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Ivan Hermann ←
00:11:26 <glazou> and Markus Gylling, IDPF and DAISY
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
and Markus Gylling, IDPF and DAISY ←
00:12:00 <Vlad> s/Levantowski/Levantovsky
00:12:08 <glazou> tzviya: ok, already ahead of schedule
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Tzviya Siegman: ok, already ahead of schedule ←
00:12:10 <Heather__> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details
Scribe problem: the name 'Heather__' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Scribe problem: the name 'Heather__' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Heather Flanagan Heather Reid . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Heather__: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details ←
00:13:07 <glazou> (digression about the timbl speech-rate unit)
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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00:13:22 <glazou> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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00:13:33 <glazou> tzviya: Markus already knows what we deal with, we can move on
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Tzviya Siegman: Markus already knows what we deal with, we can move on ←
00:13:38 <glazou> tzviya: summary of current work
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Tzviya Siegman: summary of current work ←
00:13:46 <glazou> ... what we want to accomplish in near future
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... what we want to accomplish in near future ←
00:13:52 <glazou> ... don't want to speak alone
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... don't want to speak alone ←
00:13:54 <glazou> ... use the queue
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... use the queue ←
00:14:07 <glazou> ... I put together some notes in last 10 minutes
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... I put together some notes in last 10 minutes ←
00:14:13 <glazou> ... we rechartered and shifted focus
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... we rechartered and shifted focus ←
00:14:20 <glazou> ... we're an IG, we publish notes
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... we're an IG, we publish notes ←
00:14:28 <glazou> ... Portable Web Publications published
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... Portable Web Publications published ←
00:14:38 <dauwhe> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/
Dave Cramer: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/ ←
00:14:43 <glazou> ... EPUB+WEB
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... EPUB+WEB ←
00:14:57 <glazou> ... we want to have ability to have pubs available online AND offline
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... we want to have ability to have pubs available online AND offline ←
00:15:05 <glazou> ... almost at full functionality of the web
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... almost at full functionality of the web ←
00:15:20 <glazou> ... right now, most ebooks don't have web-level functionality
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... right now, most ebooks don't have web-level functionality ←
00:15:30 <glazou> ... no URI to a book or to resources in a book
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... no URI to a book or to resources in a book ←
00:15:38 <glazou> ... only ISBN
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... only ISBN ←
00:15:43 <Karen> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-pwp-20151015/
Karen Myers: http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-pwp-20151015/ ←
00:15:46 <glazou> ... CSS functions in limited capacity
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... CSS functions in limited capacity ←
00:16:04 <glazou> tzviya: searching is limited too
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Tzviya Siegman: searching is limited too ←
00:16:15 <glazou> ... we also want good offline experience like archiving
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... we also want good offline experience like archiving ←
00:16:26 <glazou> ... there's a premium focus on a11y in the epub world
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... there's a premium focus on a11y in the epub world ←
00:16:35 <glazou> ... not sure everyone here is familiar with EPUB
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... not sure everyone here is familiar with EPUB ←
00:16:42 <glazou> ... EPUB is the format of the IDPF
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... EPUB is the format of the IDPF ←
00:16:48 <glazou> ... primary format of ebooks today
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... primary format of ebooks today ←
00:17:02 <glazou> ... Amazon Kindle does not use EPUB but take it as an input format
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... Amazon Kindle does not use EPUB but take it as an input format ←
00:17:09 <glazou> ... ask EUB experts for more info
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... ask EPUB experts for more info ←
00:17:12 <glazou> s/EUB/EPUB
00:17:23 <glazou> ... this is main focus of PWP
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... this is main focus of PWP ←
00:17:37 <glazou> ... so many things have to happen to have offline/online equivalent
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... so many things have to happen to have offline/online equivalent ←
00:17:46 <glazou> ... for now, it's mostly an offline package
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... for now, it's mostly an offline package ←
00:17:52 <glazou> ... we want to improve that experience
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... we want to improve that experience ←
00:18:06 <glazou> ... CSS there's been a lot of work there, dauwhe being the liaison
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... CSS there's been a lot of work there, dauwhe being the liaison ←
00:18:17 <glazou> ... has published some modules like GCPM
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... has published some modules like GCPM ←
00:18:26 <bigbluehat> Present+ Benjamin_Young
Benjamin Young: Present+ Benjamin_Young ←
00:18:30 <glazou> ... thousand of years of print typography not represented in CSS right now
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... thousand of years of print typography not represented in CSS right now ←
00:18:38 <glazou> ... we'd like that to happen too
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... we'd like that to happen too ←
00:18:53 <glazou> ... html+CSS to be used for print requires more work in CSS
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... html+CSS to be used for print requires more work in CSS ←
00:19:06 <glazou> (mgylling on phone now)
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(mgylling on phone now) ←
00:19:19 <glazou> (tzviya summarizes for mgylling )
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(tzviya summarizes for mgylling ) ←
00:19:42 <glazou> tzviya: dauwhe added a method for initial letters for instance
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Tzviya Siegman: dauwhe added a method for initial letters for instance ←
00:19:51 <glazou> dauwhe: "drop caps" is the right term
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Dave Cramer: "drop caps" is the right term ←
00:20:16 <glazou> tzviya: another area is our FPWD publishing module of ARIA
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Tzviya Siegman: another area is our FPWD publishing module of ARIA ←
00:20:30 <glazou> tzviya: publishing has a lot of things there, chapters, glossaries, etc.
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Tzviya Siegman: publishing has a lot of things there, chapters, glossaries, etc. ←
00:20:48 <glazou> ... in EPUB world, we have some old XML-based vocabularies 200 elements
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... in EPUB world, we have some old XML-based vocabularies 200 elements ←
00:20:54 <glazou> ... need a way to express these terms
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... need a way to express these terms ←
00:20:59 <glazou> ... in the html world
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... in the html world ←
00:21:10 <glazou> ... we spent a lot of time looking for a way to do that well
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Scribe problem: the name 'glazou' does not match any of the 102 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
... we spent a lot of time looking for a way to do that well ←
00:21:36 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is here? ←
00:21:36 <Zakim> Present: Charles_LaPierre, Tzviya_Siegman, Vlad_Levantovsky, Dave_Cramer, Karen_Myers, Rob_Sanderson, Heather_Flanagan, Liam_Quin, Lars_Svensson, LarsG, glazou, myles, Jeff_Xu,
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00:21:37 <glazou> ... how can we declare a given element is this or that?
... how can we declare a given element is this or that? ←
00:21:40 <Zakim> ... duga, Judy, Florian, SteveZ, mgylling, Benjamin_Young
Zakim IRC Bot: ... duga, Judy, Florian, SteveZ, mgylling, Benjamin_Young ←
00:21:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see bigbluehat, Vlad, tzviya, johanneswilm, Florian, Judy, Bobby, azaroth, murakami, brady_duga, myles, glazou, baba, Jeff_Xu, shepazu, LarsG, Karen, clapierre, dauwhe,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bigbluehat, Vlad, tzviya, johanneswilm, Florian, Judy, Bobby, azaroth, murakami, brady_duga, myles, glazou, baba, Jeff_Xu, shepazu, LarsG, Karen, clapierre, dauwhe, ←
00:21:40 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, ShaneM, Heather__, liam, mgylling, rego, plinss, astearns, iank, Bert, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, ShaneM, Heather__, liam, mgylling, rego, plinss, astearns, iank, Bert, trackbot ←
00:21:46 <glazou> RRSAgent, draft minutes
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
00:21:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html glazou
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html glazou ←
00:21:50 <glazou> tzviya: so FPWD now
Tzviya Siegman: so FPWD now ←
00:21:56 <glazou> ... cleanup to do, already reviewed
... cleanup to do, already reviewed ←
00:21:56 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/ ←
00:22:02 <glazou> ... formal review period done
... formal review period done ←
00:22:06 <glazou> tzviya: second WD soon
Tzviya Siegman: second WD soon ←
00:22:12 <glazou> tzviya: questions?
Tzviya Siegman: questions? ←
00:22:17 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
00:22:18 <glazou> ivan: maybe one comment
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Unknown ivan: maybe one comment ←
00:22:39 <glazou> ... we always refer to EPUB but everything we do is for publications in general and not only EPUB
... we always refer to EPUB but everything we do is for publications in general and not only EPUB ←
00:22:49 <glazou> ... we hit a project in italy that uses a profile of html
... we hit a project in italy that uses a profile of html ←
00:22:59 <glazou> ... they use the same ARIA terms we defined
... they use the same ARIA terms we defined ←
00:23:07 <glazou> ... that's good, exactly what we want
... that's good, exactly what we want ←
00:23:12 <glazou> ... publications in general
... publications in general ←
00:23:15 <glazou> tzviya: good point, thanks
Tzviya Siegman: good point, thanks ←
00:23:22 <glazou> tzviya: similar example in US
Tzviya Siegman: similar example in US ←
00:23:34 <glazou> tzviya: ok, we have an a11y TF
Tzviya Siegman: ok, we have an a11y TF ←
00:23:43 <glazou> ... doing a lot of work despite not lot of output
... doing a lot of work despite not lot of output ←
00:23:47 <glazou> ... clapierre leading it
... clapierre leading it ←
00:23:55 <glazou> ... longdesc for instance
... longdesc for instance ←
00:24:14 <glazou> ... affects significantly publishing community
... affects significantly publishing community ←
00:24:32 <glazou> ... all students need to access content equally for instance
... all students need to access content equally for instance ←
00:24:58 <glazou> ... our a11y TF researching with the ARIA people about that
... our a11y TF researching with the ARIA people about that ←
00:25:07 <Judy> q+
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Unknown Judy: q+ ←
00:25:20 <tzviya> ack judy
Tzviya Siegman: ack judy ←
00:25:28 <glazou> Judy: thank you tzviya for mentioning that joint activity
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Unknown Judy: thank you tzviya for mentioning that joint activity ←
00:25:34 <glazou> ... something we try to get right
... something we try to get right ←
00:25:55 <clapierre> q+
Charles LaPierre: q+ ←
00:25:58 <glazou> ... the general case we try to help is extended type desc for multiple image types
... the general case we try to help is extended type desc for *complex* image types ←
00:26:07 <glazou> ... longdesc feature
... originally dpub's request was to piggy-back this on the longdesc feature that was restored to html5 by extension ←
00:26:16 <glazou> ... not well supported by browsers
... not well supported by browsers ←
00:26:27 <glazou> ... trying to evolve that into new ARIA feature
... trying to evolve that into new ARIA feature, describedAt ←
00:26:34 <glazou> ... but same architectural concerns
... but same architectural concerns ←
00:26:49 <glazou> ... we were able to get more interests than previous efforts
... we were able to get more interest in one of Apple's proposed solution, details than previous efforts ←
00:27:09 <glazou> ... more interest this time but still lacking browser interest and implems
... more interest this time but still lacking browser interest and implems ←
00:27:24 <glazou> ... yesterday we had confirmation it's coming from MSFT and Moz
... yesterday we had confirmation it's coming from MSFT and Moz ←
00:27:29 <csarven> present+ csarven
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Unknown csarven: present+ csarven ←
00:27:32 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
00:27:44 <glazou> Judy: so thanks DPUB
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Unknown Judy: so thanks DPUB ←
00:28:01 <tzviya> ack cl
Tzviya Siegman: ack cl ←
00:28:13 <glazou> clapierre: let me mention those descriptions are not only for images but any element
Charles LaPierre: let me mention those descriptions are not only for images but any element ←
00:28:31 <glazou> ... can be also a file representation and not only a description
... can be also a file representation and not only a description ←
00:28:42 <Judy> s/for multiple image types/for *complex* image types/
00:28:44 <glazou> ... multiple things can be attached to a single element
... multiple things can be attached to a single element ←
00:29:03 <glazou> ... may have to add things to details
... may have to add things to details ←
00:29:05 <Judy> q+
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Unknown Judy: q+ ←
00:29:11 <glazou> ... for source linking
... for source linking ←
00:29:29 <glazou> Judy: my understanding is that it's looking pretty good
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Unknown Judy: my understanding is that it's looking pretty good ←
00:29:39 <glazou> ... some groups want to add more complexity to details
... some groups want to add more complexity to details ←
00:29:47 <glazou> ... conversations about it yesterday
... conversations about it yesterday ←
00:29:54 <tzviya> ack judy
Tzviya Siegman: ack judy ←
00:30:24 <glazou> tzviya: other thingw we're exploring
Tzviya Siegman: other things we're exploring ←
00:30:33 <glazou> ... (list minute taker did not get)
... (list minute taker did not get) ←
00:30:41 <glazou> ... lot of exploratory work
... lot of exploratory work ←
00:30:44 <LarsG> s/thingw/things/
00:30:50 <glazou> ... future of mathml on web and maths in general
... future of mathml on web and maths in general ←
00:30:58 <glazou> ... lot of work in coming year from this work
... lot of work in coming year from this work ←
00:31:02 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
00:31:06 <glazou> ... another clear area is identifiers
... another clear area is identifiers ←
00:31:15 <glazou> ... big issue with PWP is idents
... big issue with PWP is idents ←
00:31:17 <Judy> s/longdesc feature/originally dpub's request was to piggy-back this on the longdesc feature that was restored to html5 by extension/
00:31:20 <glazou> ... and fragment idents
... and fragment idents ←
00:31:30 <dauwhe> q?
Dave Cramer: q? ←
00:31:42 <glazou> ivan: one of first work we did was collect use cases for annotations
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Unknown ivan: one of first work we did was collect use cases for annotations ←
00:31:50 <glazou> ... separate note published a year ago
... separate note published a year ago ←
00:31:54 <Judy> s/new ARIA feature/new ARIA feature, describedAt/
00:31:59 <glazou> ... very important for educational world
... very important for educational world ←
00:32:07 <tzviya> annotation use cases: http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-annotation-uc/
Tzviya Siegman: annotation use cases: http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-annotation-uc/ ←
00:32:28 <glazou> ivan: what happened there after publication, we established a separate WG on annotations
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Unknown ivan: what happened there after publication, we established a separate WG on annotations ←
00:32:30 <Judy> s/get more interests/get more interest in one of Apple's proposed solution, details/
00:32:42 <glazou> ivan: not part of this IG any more
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Unknown ivan: not part of this IG any more ←
00:32:48 <glazou> ... first spin-off from here
... first spin-off from here ←
00:32:59 <glazou> ... we also published a year ago another note on metadata
... we also published a year ago another note on metadata ←
00:33:06 <glazou> ... enormous importance for publishing world
... enormous importance for publishing world ←
00:33:20 <glazou> ... whole biz workflow relies on enormous amounts of metadata
... whole biz workflow relies on enormous amounts of metadata ←
00:33:38 <glazou> ... we try to understand if there are issues around W3C tech
... we try to understand if there are issues around W3C tech ←
00:33:45 <glazou> ... to handle metadata requirements
... to handle metadata requirements ←
00:34:00 <glazou> ... so series of interviews with different people in this are (~15)
... so series of interviews with different people in this are (~15) ←
00:34:04 <glazou> ... to get an overview
... to get an overview ←
00:34:08 <tzviya> metadata note: http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-metadata/
Tzviya Siegman: metadata note: http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-metadata/ ←
00:34:16 <glazou> ivan: two interesting outcome
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Unknown ivan: two interesting outcome ←
00:34:32 <glazou> ... what we have at W3C for metadata is perfectly adequate for pub industry
... what we have at W3C for metadata is perfectly adequate for pub industry ←
00:34:40 <glazou> ... they have major problems with vocabularies
... they have major problems with vocabularies ←
00:34:51 <glazou> ... but we decided it's not something for W3C
... but we decided it's not something for W3C ←
00:34:56 <glazou> ... not the right org for that
... not the right org for that ←
00:35:09 <glazou> ... there are orgs out there better adapted to that work
... there are orgs out there better adapted to that work ←
00:35:35 <glazou> ... second outcome, there is a need for standard language for right management and rights expression
... second outcome, there is a need for standard language for right management and rights expression ←
00:35:48 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
00:35:57 <glazou> ... we're in the process now to look if we should start a WG about that
... we're in the process now to look if we should start a WG about that ←
00:36:05 <glazou> ... breakout session about that yesterday
... breakout session about that yesterday ←
00:36:10 <glazou> ... this IG has some influence
... this IG has some influence ←
00:36:20 <glazou> ... mgylling anything we forgot ?
... mgylling anything we forgot ? ←
00:36:29 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
00:36:49 <glazou> Florian: wrt STEM (sp?) math exploration
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Unknown Florian: wrt STEM (sp?) math exploration ←
00:37:07 <glazou> ... CSS has the Houdini TF to explore low-level primitives that can help
... CSS has the Houdini TF to explore low-level primitives that can help ←
00:37:12 <glazou> ... one thing on radar is maths
... one thing on radar is maths ←
00:37:20 <glazou> ... not high priority for browser vendors
... not high priority for browser vendors ←
00:37:27 <glazou> ... but it's on radar
... but it's on radar ←
00:37:41 <glazou> ... being in touch with Houdini TF would be a good idea
... being in touch with Houdini TF would be a good idea ←
00:37:54 <glazou> tzviya: yes! we are liasing with Houdini, please help :)
Tzviya Siegman: yes! we are liasing with Houdini, please help :) ←
00:38:05 <Karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
00:38:12 <glazou> ivan: current liaison comes from mathjax
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Unknown ivan: current liaison comes from mathjax ←
00:38:42 <glazou> ... not impersonating Peter, mathjax is looking at th whole platform
... not impersonating Peter, mathjax is looking at th whole platform ←
00:38:54 <glazou> ... we have given hope on implem of mathml by browser vendors
... we have given hope on implem of mathml by browser vendors ←
00:39:02 <glazou> ... but reality is that
... but reality is that ←
00:39:05 <glazou> ... not happened in years and years
... not happened in years and years ←
00:39:24 <glazou> ... approach they're looking at is creating a layer on client-side based on html and css
... approach they're looking at is creating a layer on client-side based on html and css ←
00:39:48 <glazou> ... down-side is that mathml a11y is forgotten a bit
... down-side is that mathml a11y is forgotten a bit ←
00:40:05 <glazou> ... mathml module with ARIA to bridge the gaps
... mathml module with ARIA to bridge the gaps ←
00:40:26 <glazou> ivan: industry has been longing for mathml implems forever
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Unknown ivan: industry has been longing for mathml implems forever ←
00:40:36 <glazou> ... just did not happen the way we wanted
... just did not happen the way we wanted ←
00:40:43 <glazou> Florian: I'm afraid I share those concerns
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Unknown Florian: I'm afraid I share those concerns ←
00:40:50 <glazou> ... unlikely to happen
... unlikely to happen ←
00:40:56 <glazou> ... houdini is not about mathml
... houdini is not about mathml ←
00:41:01 <glazou> ... but primitives that would help
... but primitives that would help ←
00:41:09 <glazou> ... we'll see if it reaches success
... we'll see if it reaches success ←
00:41:18 <glazou> ivan: mathjax looks at that too
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Unknown ivan: mathjax looks at that too ←
00:41:25 <glazou> ... pages rendered with mathjax are slow
... pages rendered with mathjax are slow ←
00:41:38 <glazou> tzviya: reach out to Peter
Tzviya Siegman: reach out to Peter ←
00:41:56 <tzviya> ack kar
Tzviya Siegman: ack kar ←
00:42:05 <glazou> Karen: I've a question and a comment
Karen Myers: I've a question and a comment ←
00:42:24 <glazou> ... question is what type profile people would be useful for houdini ?
... question is what type profile people would be useful for houdini ? ←
00:42:52 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
00:43:07 <dauwhe> glazou: houdini tf is something we've needed forever
Unknown glazou: houdini tf is something we've needed forever ←
00:43:19 <dauwhe> ... the rendering engines are pretty open on the upper layers
... the rendering engines are pretty open on the upper layers ←
00:43:26 <dauwhe> ... and have been black boxes at low level
... and have been black boxes at low level ←
00:43:34 <dauwhe> ... which prevents us from prototyping new stuff
... which prevents us from prototyping new stuff ←
00:43:41 <dauwhe> ... when you have a layout polyfill
... when you have a layout polyfill ←
00:43:52 <dauwhe> ... you can't do that without reaching the rendering engine
... you can't do that without reaching the rendering engine ←
00:43:52 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
00:43:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
00:44:10 <dauwhe> ... something like MathML need such primitives to create the specific rendering
... something like MathML need such primitives to create the specific rendering ←
00:44:15 <dauwhe> ... which is not the normal html rendering
... which is not the normal html rendering ←
00:44:26 <dauwhe> ... houdini is not specifically about these other languages like MathML
... houdini is not specifically about these other languages like MathML ←
00:44:42 <dauwhe> ... the implementors may not have the right knowledge of what could be done with houdini
... the implementors may not have the right knowledge of what could be done with houdini ←
00:44:51 <dauwhe> ... so the best thing is to bring them use cases and feedback
... so the best thing is to bring them use cases and feedback ←
00:45:05 <dauwhe> ... the mathjax community looking at houdini is excellent
... the mathjax community looking at houdini is excellent ←
00:45:11 <dauwhe> ... but we need more data
... but we need more data ←
00:45:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: they're publishing a white paper
Tzviya Siegman: they're publishing a white paper ←
00:45:28 <dauwhe> glazou: any strong expression of interest will help
Unknown glazou: any strong expression of interest will help ←
00:45:33 <dauwhe> ... houdini is not one doc
... houdini is not one doc ←
00:45:38 <dauwhe> ... it's lots of different things
... it's lots of different things ←
00:45:46 <dauwhe> ... parser, the box tree, painting...
... parser, the box tree, painting... ←
00:45:59 <dauwhe> ... we are in exploration mode with some authoring of specs
... we are in exploration mode with some authoring of specs ←
00:46:02 <dauwhe> ... any input is good input
... any input is good input ←
00:46:14 <dauwhe> ... if publishing needs, if math needs, and we're aware
... if publishing needs, if math needs, and we're aware ←
00:46:18 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
00:46:28 <dauwhe> ... I agree Houdini TF is not visible enough
... I agree Houdini TF is not visible enough ←
00:46:33 <dauwhe> ... maybe you can help
... maybe you can help ←
00:46:44 <dauwhe> ... input input input requirements (x3)
... input input input requirements (x3) ←
00:46:52 <dauwhe> Florian: agree with what daniel said
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Unknown Florian: agree with what daniel said ←
00:46:59 <dauwhe> ... because we are exploring
... because we are exploring ←
00:47:05 <dauwhe> ... in person input is effective
... in person input is effective ←
00:47:11 <dauwhe> ... being around the whiteboard
... being around the whiteboard ←
00:47:15 <dauwhe> q+
q+ ←
00:47:22 <dauwhe> ... is important
... is important ←
00:47:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: so we need updates from houdini
Tzviya Siegman: so we need updates from houdini ←
00:47:37 <dauwhe> ... houdini itself is a black box
... houdini itself is a black box ←
00:47:46 <dauwhe> ... we need more info from then on how to get involved
... we need more info from then on how to get involved ←
00:47:50 <dauwhe> glazou: well taken
Unknown glazou: well taken ←
00:47:58 <dauwhe> tzviya: florian can help
Tzviya Siegman: florian can help ←
00:48:05 <dauwhe> SteveZ: houdini is amorphous
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Unknown SteveZ: houdini is amorphous ←
00:48:10 <dauwhe> ... it's a bunch of different things
... it's a bunch of different things ←
00:48:15 <dauwhe> ... and it's very informal
... and it's very informal ←
00:48:30 <dauwhe> ... so even csswg folks don't have a good idea of what's going on
... so even csswg folks don't have a good idea of what's going on ←
00:48:40 <Florian> q-
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Unknown Florian: q- ←
00:48:46 <dauwhe> johannes: there are meetings
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Unknown johannes: there are meetings ←
00:48:56 <dauwhe> ... we need people who implement stuff
... we need people who implement stuff ←
00:49:13 <dauwhe> ... Peter could show that I couldn't put this charatcter there because reasons
... Peter could show that I couldn't put this charatcter there because reasons ←
00:49:29 <dauwhe> tzviya: ivan reminded me that Dave, with input from the IG, put together a CSS priorities list
Tzviya Siegman: ivan reminded me that Dave, with input from the IG, put together a CSS priorities list ←
00:49:44 <dauwhe> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/priorities.html
http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/priorities.html ←
00:50:02 <dauwhe> glazou: one more bit of info
Unknown glazou: one more bit of info ←
00:50:13 <dauwhe> ... houdini started as corridor conversation during tpac last year
... houdini started as corridor conversation during tpac last year ←
00:50:28 <dauwhe> ... there was strong interest by some individuals in browser vendors
... there was strong interest by some individuals in browser vendors ←
00:50:35 <dauwhe> .... then the vendors realized it was a good thing
.... then the vendors realized it was a good thing ←
00:50:42 <dauwhe> ... but not all vendors are interested in all parts
... but not all vendors are interested in all parts ←
00:50:43 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
00:50:57 <dauwhe> ... moz could be seen as reluctant to suppy access to the frame tree
... moz could be seen as reluctant to suppy access to the frame tree ←
00:51:08 <dauwhe> tzviya: but they support math, so we good
Tzviya Siegman: but they support math, so we good ←
00:51:15 <dauwhe> glazou: but there are many other things like music
Unknown glazou: but there are many other things like music ←
00:51:25 <dauwhe> ... hard to express with regular box model
... hard to express with regular box model ←
00:51:33 <dauwhe> ... you have books about music
... you have books about music ←
00:51:44 <dauwhe> tzviya: we have a member from Note Flight
Tzviya Siegman: we have a member from Note Flight ←
00:51:56 <dauwhe> glazou: input from potential customers does matter
Unknown glazou: input from potential customers does matter ←
00:52:02 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
00:52:10 <tzviya> ack da
Tzviya Siegman: ack da ←
00:52:12 <Karen> scribenick: Karen
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
00:52:28 <Karen> Dauwhe: You mentioned it's helpful to provide feedback to Houdini standing around the white board
Dave Cramer: You mentioned it's helpful to provide feedback to Houdini standing around the white board ←
00:52:33 <Karen> …there are some challenges to that
…there are some challenges to that ←
00:52:41 <Karen> …those are by people who are writing the rendering and layout code
…those are by people who are writing the rendering and layout code ←
00:52:50 <Karen> …There are not that many people in the world who understand that
…There are not that many people in the world who understand that ←
00:52:57 <Karen> …So some challenges of many levels of translation
…So some challenges of many levels of translation ←
00:53:07 <Karen> …to get to the language we want inside the renderers
…to get to the language we want inside the renderers ←
00:53:13 <Karen> Daniel: We have same problem in CSS WG
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Unknown Daniel: We have same problem in CSS WG ←
00:53:30 <Karen> …problem of making web designers and CSS developers, implementers discuss because we don't speak the same language
…problem of making web designers and CSS developers, implementers discuss because we don't speak the same language ←
00:53:37 <Karen> …An industry that reaches out with this message
…An industry that reaches out with this message ←
00:53:42 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
00:53:47 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
00:53:51 <Karen> …the current languages of the web are not enough; we need an extension of that
…the current languages of the web are not enough; we need an extension of that ←
00:53:56 <Karen> …will be a good enough message
…will be a good enough message ←
00:54:09 <Karen> scibenick: Dave
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Unknown scibenick: Dave ←
00:54:14 <dauwhe> florian: if we have people who have been implementing polyfills
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Unknown florian: if we have people who have been implementing polyfills [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:54:28 <dauwhe> ... these people are sufficiently technical to engage with houdini devs
Dave Cramer: ... these people are sufficiently technical to engage with houdini devs ←
00:54:34 <glazou> q+
Unknown glazou: q+ ←
00:54:49 <tzviya> ack Liam
Tzviya Siegman: ack Liam ←
00:54:49 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to note performance
Zakim IRC Bot: liam, you wanted to note performance ←
00:54:52 <dauwhe> ... they can understand the problem and the white board
Dave Cramer: ... they can understand the problem and the white board ←
00:54:52 <Florian> q-
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Unknown Florian: q- ←
00:54:55 <brady_duga> q+
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Unknown brady_duga: q+ ←
00:55:16 <dauwhe> liam: some of the proposed apis could math mathjax massively faster
Liam Quin: some of the proposed apis could math mathjax massively faster [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:55:18 <jeff_xu> q+
00:55:24 <dauwhe> ... since you don't have to create lots of extra DOM elements
Dave Cramer: ... since you don't have to create lots of extra DOM elements ←
00:55:36 <dauwhe> ... although it sounds like it's adding more scripting
Dave Cramer: ... although it sounds like it's adding more scripting ←
00:55:43 <tzviya> ack gla
Tzviya Siegman: ack gla ←
00:55:46 <dauwhe> ... it's eliminating other scripting
Dave Cramer: ... it's eliminating other scripting ←
00:55:53 <dauwhe> glazou: something that karen could do
Unknown glazou: something that karen could do [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:56:01 <dauwhe> ... is like the industry meet-up
Dave Cramer: ... is like the industry meet-up ←
00:56:12 <dauwhe> ... could be houdini meet-up with industry(s)
Dave Cramer: ... could be houdini meet-up with industry(s) ←
00:56:27 <dauwhe> ... who are interested in extending the rendering
Dave Cramer: ... who are interested in extending the rendering ←
00:56:43 <dauwhe> Karen: when is the next F2F
Karen Myers: when is the next F2F [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:56:49 <dauwhe> glazou: next is in Sydney
Unknown glazou: next is in Sydney [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:56:59 <dauwhe> SteveZ: but there will be one in May in the US
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Unknown SteveZ: but there will be one in May in the US [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:57:04 <dauwhe> glazou: yes, that will be easier
Unknown glazou: yes, that will be easier [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:57:15 <Florian> Sidney early february
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Unknown Florian: Sidney early february ←
00:57:29 <dauwhe> ivan: peter won't go to australia
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Unknown ivan: peter won't go to australia [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:57:34 <tzviya> ack brady
Tzviya Siegman: ack brady ←
00:57:35 <Florian> US west coast early may
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Unknown Florian: US west coast early may ←
00:57:36 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's take logistics offline
Tzviya Siegman: let's take logistics offline [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:57:45 <dauwhe> brady_duga: q about participating in houdini
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Unknown brady_duga: q about participating in houdini [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:58:01 <dauwhe> ... what is it
Dave Cramer: ... what is it ←
00:58:15 <dauwhe> glazou: it's a joint task force between CSSWG or TAG
Unknown glazou: it's a joint task force between CSSWG or TAG [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:58:37 <dauwhe> glazou: and we can liase
Unknown glazou: and we can liase [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:58:42 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
00:59:03 <dauwhe> Florian: just show up
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Unknown Florian: just show up [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:59:36 <myles> Houdini
Unknown myles: Houdini ←
00:59:49 <dauwhe> glazou: observing houdini meeting is likely OK
Unknown glazou: observing houdini meeting is likely OK [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
00:59:52 <tzviya> ack je
Tzviya Siegman: ack je ←
01:00:22 <dauwhe> jeff_xu: we are often patching rendering engine
Jeff Xu: we are often patching rendering engine [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
01:00:33 <dauwhe> ... we are likely to explore features useful for epub
Dave Cramer: ... we are likely to explore features useful for epub ←
01:00:47 <dauwhe> ... if we can convince browser engine to implement low layer
Dave Cramer: ... if we can convince browser engine to implement low layer ←
01:00:53 <dauwhe> ... so we can implement high layer on top
Dave Cramer: ... so we can implement high layer on top ←
01:01:08 <dauwhe> ... we can cooperate more with browser vendors
Dave Cramer: ... we can cooperate more with browser vendors ←
01:01:21 <dauwhe> ivan: to close this discussion
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Unknown ivan: to close this discussion [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
01:01:32 <dauwhe> ... mathjax should have this white paper out
Dave Cramer: ... mathjax should have this white paper out ←
01:01:42 <dauwhe> ... it's not on houdini
Dave Cramer: ... it's not on houdini ←
01:01:55 <dauwhe> ... it's on the future strategy of mathjax as organization
Dave Cramer: ... it's on the future strategy of mathjax as organization ←
01:02:00 <dauwhe> ... that will help with discussion
Dave Cramer: ... that will help with discussion ←
01:02:07 <dauwhe> tzviya: coming pack to DPUB
Tzviya Siegman: coming pack to DPUB [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
01:02:33 <dauwhe> ... i'm finding it interesting that the only thing that generated conversation was intersection of math and CSS
Dave Cramer: ... i'm finding it interesting that the only thing that generated conversation was intersection of math and CSS ←
01:02:45 <dauwhe> ivan: i see two areas that will generate lots of tech discussion
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Unknown ivan: i see two areas that will generate lots of tech discussion [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
01:02:49 <dauwhe> ... one is identifiers
Dave Cramer: ... one is identifiers ←
01:03:05 <dauwhe> ... and how they fit into web architecture
Dave Cramer: ... and how they fit into web architecture ←
01:03:22 <dauwhe> ... the other area which is exciting is on borderline of magic and mystery
Dave Cramer: ... the other area which is exciting is on borderline of magic and mystery ←
01:03:44 <dauwhe> ... the generic architecture for portable web publications is based on heavy use of service workers
Dave Cramer: ... the generic architecture for portable web publications is based on heavy use of service workers ←
01:03:57 <dauwhe> ... they carry the magic to hide difference between online and offline
Dave Cramer: ... they carry the magic to hide difference between online and offline ←
01:04:07 <dauwhe> ... as well as between packaged and unpackaged
Dave Cramer: ... as well as between packaged and unpackaged ←
01:04:18 <dauwhe> ... we had a discussion last week with jake archibald
Dave Cramer: ... we had a discussion last week with jake archibald ←
01:04:31 <dauwhe> ... and our needs are in line with what that community is looking
Dave Cramer: ... and our needs are in line with what that community is looking ←
01:04:36 <dauwhe> ... at
Dave Cramer: ... at ←
01:04:40 <dauwhe> ... but non-trivial
Dave Cramer: ... but non-trivial ←
01:05:03 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
01:05:04 <dauwhe> ... these are the two areas where we can have quite some discussions
Dave Cramer: ... these are the two areas where we can have quite some discussions ←
01:05:08 <dauwhe> tzviya: I think so too
Tzviya Siegman: I think so too [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
01:05:21 <dauwhe> ... is everyone eager for coffee?
Dave Cramer: ... is everyone eager for coffee? ←
01:05:59 <dauwhe> <break duration="forty_minutes" />
Dave Cramer: <break duration="forty_minutes" /> ←
01:42:13 <Bert1> present+ Bert Bos
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Unknown Bert1: present+ Bert Bos ←
01:44:56 <ivan> Present+ Bert_Bos, Richard_Ishida
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Unknown ivan: Present+ Bert_Bos, Richard_Ishida ←
01:51:40 <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth
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01:52:25 <azaroth> Tzviya: Everyone say hi to Markus
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Tzviya Siegman: Everyone say hi to Markus ←
01:52:29 <azaroth> Everyone: Hi Markus
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Unknown Everyone: Hi Markus ←
01:52:31 <azaroth> Markus: Hi!
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Unknown Markus: Hi! ←
01:52:54 <azaroth> tzviya: Shares projection of static
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Tzviya Siegman: Shares projection of static ←
01:53:19 <azaroth> ... [Epub 3.1]
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... [Epub 3.1] ←
01:53:45 <azaroth> ... We talked about EPUB in he last session. You may have noticed some overlap, so good idea to tell you about what's happening in the IDPF
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... We talked about EPUB in he last session. You may have noticed some overlap, so good idea to tell you about what's happening in the IDPF ←
01:53:59 <azaroth> ... In the past few months IDPF has started EPUB 3.1, the first major revision of EPUB 3
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... In the past few months IDPF has started EPUB 3.1, the first major revision of EPUB 3 ←
01:54:07 <azaroth> ... Dave and I are working on that. Markus is the CTO of IDPF
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... Dave and I are working on that. Markus is the CTO of IDPF ←
01:54:15 <azaroth> ... He doesn't sleep
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... He doesn't sleep ←
01:54:28 <azaroth> ... I co-chair that group with Markus
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... I co-chair that group with Markus ←
01:54:36 <azaroth> ... Dave is actively involved, so we're going to do an overview
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... Dave is actively involved, so we're going to do an overview ←
01:54:45 <azaroth> ... I apologize for the ugliness of the slides
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... I apologize for the ugliness of the slides ←
01:54:54 <azaroth> ... This does not reflect on Dave's ability to make beautiful slides
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... This does not reflect on Dave's ability to make beautiful slides ←
01:55:08 <azaroth> ... So. [Formal Work Plan slide]
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... So. [Formal Work Plan slide] ←
01:55:33 <azaroth> ... Formal work plan is at the link. (Link Plz) Based on a request to IDPF membership for what they want to see
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... Formal work plan is at the link. (Link Plz) Based on a request to IDPF membership for what they want to see ←
01:55:41 <azaroth> ... Boiled down the pages and pages into a few areas
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... Boiled down the pages and pages into a few areas ←
01:56:02 <azaroth> ... IDPF has main specs and satellite ones. Some confusion as to what goes hwere. Requests to consolidate and simplify
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... IDPF has main specs and satellite ones. Some confusion as to what goes hwere. Requests to consolidate and simplify ←
01:56:17 <azaroth> ... A few different ways to implement scripting.
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... A few different ways to implement scripting. ←
01:56:27 <glazou> q+ when the slides are done
Unknown glazou: q+ when the slides are done ←
01:56:32 <azaroth> ... A lot of OWP alignment, some of which from this group, but also from dig pub world
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... A lot of OWP alignment, some of which from this group, but also from dig pub world ←
01:56:41 <glazou> q+ to comment but only when all slides are done
Unknown glazou: q+ to comment but only when all slides are done ←
01:56:46 <azaroth> ... Plus limited set of new features
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... Plus limited set of new features ←
01:57:11 <azaroth> ... EPUB is widely adopted. 3 was published in 2011. A huge change from 2. Took a long time to shift, some publishers still haven't shifted
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... EPUB is widely adopted. 3 was published in 2011. A huge change from 2. Took a long time to shift, some publishers still haven't shifted ←
01:57:25 <azaroth> ... Intended to be backwards compatible, but not everyone has taken advantage of this
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... Intended to be backwards compatible, but not everyone has taken advantage of this ←
01:57:41 <azaroth> ... Not being backwards compatible would crash the industry, so people wouldn't do it
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... Not being backwards compatible would crash the industry, so people wouldn't do it ←
01:57:41 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
01:57:46 <azaroth> ... Hope to have WD in January
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... Hope to have WD in January ←
01:57:56 <azaroth> dauwhe: Thankfully not holidays before then ;)
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Dave Cramer: Thankfully not holidays before then ;) ←
01:58:05 <azaroth> tzviya: GOod that there are multiple religions :)
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Tzviya Siegman: GOod that there are multiple religions :) ←
01:58:45 <azaroth> glazou: Comment on adding scripting to reading agents. In EPUB world there are so many profiles of web specs with restrictions and additions
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Unknown glazou: Comment on adding scripting to reading agents. In EPUB world there are so many profiles of web specs with restrictions and additions ←
01:58:54 <azaroth> ... Afraid that there will be restrictions in what readers will accept
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... Afraid that there will be restrictions in what readers will accept ←
01:59:00 <azaroth> ... And extensions would be worse.
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... And extensions would be worse. ←
01:59:13 <azaroth> ... I expect there will be strong resistance to this from rendering engine vendors
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... I expect there will be strong resistance to this from rendering engine vendors ←
01:59:31 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
01:59:34 <azaroth> ... If scripting is added to readers, it must be full scripting. All of it. Period. If not it's doomed to fail
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... If scripting is added to readers, it must be full scripting. All of it. Period. If not it's doomed to fail ←
01:59:43 <azaroth> ... Saw such restrictions in ??? and it didn't work
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... Saw such restrictions in ??? and it didn't work ←
01:59:56 <azaroth> ... No editors able to handle it, and authors won't look at hte spec to see what can be done or not
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... No editors able to handle it, and authors won't look at hte spec to see what can be done or not ←
02:00:32 <azaroth> ... Second comment: schedule. Don't laugh yet. One of the biggest issues for epub 3.0 was the speed of delivery. Was written and reviewed and delivered quite fast
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... Second comment: schedule. Don't laugh yet. One of the biggest issues for epub 3.0 was the speed of delivery. Was written and reviewed and delivered quite fast ←
02:00:58 <azaroth> ... so a LOT of bugs remained in the spec. Ones that no one noticed. No errata, and some made it almost unimplementable
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... so a LOT of bugs remained in the spec. Ones that no one noticed. No errata, and some made it almost unimplementable ←
02:01:09 <azaroth> ... so huge that it made the spec useless from some points of view
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... so huge that it made the spec useless from some points of view ←
02:01:33 <azaroth> ... Here we have FPWD in Jan, and Rec in October, so no tests and a process that will be faster than 3.0
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... Here we have FPWD in Jan, and Rec in October, so no tests and a process that will be faster than 3.0 ←
02:01:36 <azaroth> ... Very concerning.
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... Very concerning. ←
02:01:41 <azaroth> ... I don't think this is reasonable.
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... I don't think this is reasonable. ←
02:01:55 <azaroth> tzviya: We didn't show you the rest of the slides yet. Markus?
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Tzviya Siegman: We didn't show you the rest of the slides yet. Markus? ←
02:02:05 <azaroth> mgylling: Finish the slides
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Unknown mgylling: Finish the slides ←
02:02:24 <azaroth> Florian: I just wanted to know if you plan to speak about * on backwards compatible
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Unknown Florian: I just wanted to know if you plan to speak about * on backwards compatible ←
02:02:29 <azaroth> dauwhe: Lets do that later
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Dave Cramer: Lets do that later ←
02:02:40 <azaroth> ... There's only 10 subgroups, so very manageable
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... There's only 10 subgroups, so very manageable ←
02:03:00 <azaroth> ... There were more, we closed one that distributed its requirements to other groups
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... There were more, we closed one that distributed its requirements to other groups ←
02:03:11 <azaroth> ... Metadata is a big one. Some people have opinions about how it works.
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... Metadata is a big one. Some people have opinions about how it works. ←
02:03:42 <azaroth> ... The reality of the industry is that most md is handled externally, and the least MD inside the package the better
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... The reality of the industry is that most md is handled externally, and the least MD inside the package the better ←
02:03:47 <azaroth> ... no process for fixing it inside the epub
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... no process for fixing it inside the epub ←
02:03:48 <LarsG> q+ to ask if libraries (which) are discussion metadata
Unknown LarsG: q+ to ask if libraries (which) are discussion metadata ←
02:03:52 <Florian> q-
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Unknown Florian: q- ←
02:03:55 <azaroth> ... So looking at links to external records
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... So looking at links to external records ←
02:04:26 <azaroth> ... Browser-friendly manifestation. If you open it in a browser, it just downloads the file
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... Browser-friendly manifestation. If you open it in a browser, it just downloads the file ←
02:04:43 <azaroth> ... some RS unzips the bundle, so more useful for garden browsers. Exploring exploded Epubs
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... some RS unzips the bundle, so more useful for garden browsers. Exploring exploded Epubs ←
02:05:06 <azaroth> ... for browsers that dont' support EPUB manipulations. Big, controversial group. Source of some of the *.
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... for browsers that dont' support EPUB manipulations. Big, controversial group. Source of some of the *. ←
02:05:11 <tzviya> ack gl
Tzviya Siegman: ack gl ←
02:05:11 <Zakim> glazou, you wanted to comment but only when all slides are done
Zakim IRC Bot: glazou, you wanted to comment but only when all slides are done ←
02:05:16 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
02:05:37 <azaroth> ... Serialiazation -- should we allow html5 in epub? half the people in the room have HTML5 stickers. Huge potential change.
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... Serialiazation -- should we allow html5 in epub? half the people in the room have HTML5 stickers. Huge potential change. ←
02:05:50 <azaroth> ... accept both serializations, but not mandating support for HTML serialization
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... accept both serializations, but not mandating support for HTML serialization ←
02:06:05 <azaroth> ... More *, so OWP alignment, this is the big issue
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... More *, so OWP alignment, this is the big issue ←
02:06:12 <azaroth> ... Lots of issues around scripting
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... Lots of issues around scripting ←
02:06:36 <azaroth> ... Restructuring the specs themselves. People who wrote them are confused.
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... Restructuring the specs themselves. People who wrote them are confused. ←
02:06:58 <azaroth> ... Matt Garish working on reorg of the specs.
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... Matt Garish working on reorg of the specs. ←
02:07:03 <azaroth> tzviya: Matt Garish is wonderful
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Tzviya Siegman: Matt Garish is wonderful ←
02:07:29 <azaroth> dauwhe: A11Y subgroup. Metadata into EPUB for assistive technology
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Dave Cramer: A11Y subgroup. Metadata into EPUB for assistive technology ←
02:07:45 <azaroth> ... to make better choices about what content there is
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... to make better choices about what content there is ←
02:08:22 <azaroth> ... Consolidation - possibility of umbrella spec that links to the specs that comprise css3
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... Consolidation - possibility of umbrella spec that links to the specs that comprise css3 ←
02:08:30 <azaroth> ??? : similar to CSS snapshot? Could it be?
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Florian : similar to CSS snapshot? Could it be? ←
02:08:38 <azaroth> ivan: I don't think that it's a fair comparison
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Unknown ivan: I don't think that it's a fair comparison ←
02:08:40 <tzviya> s/???/Florian
02:08:40 <Florian> s/???/Florian/
02:09:01 <azaroth> ... The various epub docs are stable documents. Snapshot is because there should be a new one every year, it evolves
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... The various epub docs are stable documents. Snapshot is because there should be a new one every year, it evolves ←
02:09:19 <ivan> Present+ Chris_Lilley, Lea_Verou
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Unknown ivan: Present+ Chris_Lilley, Lea_Verou ←
02:09:33 <azaroth> dauwhe: There's a subgroup looking at more core media types to epub. Want a 3d type, but there don't seem to be any [or too many]
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Dave Cramer: There's a subgroup looking at more core media types to epub. Want a 3d type, but there don't seem to be any [or too many] ←
02:09:44 <azaroth> ... also csv files, scientific data
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... also csv files, scientific data ←
02:09:56 <azaroth> ivan: One of hte things that came up, scientific pubs want to include csv data as part of the book
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Unknown ivan: One of hte things that came up, scientific pubs want to include csv data as part of the book ←
02:10:05 <azaroth> ... currently a list of types that are allowed and shouldn't be
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... currently a list of types that are allowed and shouldn't be ←
02:10:11 <azaroth> tzviya: Q about what we mean by media types
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Tzviya Siegman: Q about what we mean by media types ←
02:10:25 <azaroth> ... what we mean is that epub restricts the type of files allowed inside the package
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... what we mean is that epub restricts the type of files allowed inside the package ←
02:10:26 <Bobby> http://www.idpf.org/epub/301/spec/epub-publications.html#sec-core-media-types
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Unknown Bobby: http://www.idpf.org/epub/301/spec/epub-publications.html#sec-core-media-types ←
02:10:44 <azaroth> ... XHTML is allowed, CSS is, fonts, etc. are called core media types
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... XHTML is allowed, CSS is, fonts, etc. are called core media types ←
02:11:01 <azaroth> ... Right now you can't just throw any sort of file in to the package. Requests to expand the list
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... Right now you can't just throw any sort of file in to the package. Requests to expand the list ←
02:11:10 <azaroth> ... so you don't have to point out of the file
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... so you don't have to point out of the file ←
02:11:20 <azaroth> ???: A whitelist of media types
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Unknown Chris: A whitelist of media types ←
02:11:27 <azaroth> dauwhe: Yes, or one that doesn't require a fallback
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Dave Cramer: Yes, or one that doesn't require a fallback ←
02:11:37 <Florian> s/???/Chris/
02:11:56 <azaroth> ... there's a css group that hasn't started yet. Currently have a list of properties that are allowed, wonder if there's a better way giving the changing nature of the css landscape
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... there's a css group that hasn't started yet. Currently have a list of properties that are allowed, wonder if there's a better way giving the changing nature of the css landscape ←
02:12:11 <azaroth> ... and everyone's favorite subgroup, deprecatable elements
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... and everyone's favorite subgroup, deprecatable elements ←
02:12:11 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
02:12:11 <glazou> q+
Unknown glazou: q+ ←
02:13:20 <azaroth> LarsG: Want to ask about the metadata. Interested in consuming it. Are there libraries represented in the EPUB WG?
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Unknown LarsG: Want to ask about the metadata. Interested in consuming it. Are there libraries represented in the EPUB WG? ←
02:13:48 <azaroth> tzviya: If only. Generally the MD is split between supply chain and library/bib metadata. Lots of input from supply chain, none from the library side
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Tzviya Siegman: If only. Generally the MD is split between supply chain and library/bib metadata. Lots of input from supply chain, none from the library side ←
02:14:04 <HeatherF> q+
Heather Flanagan: q+ ←
02:14:05 <azaroth> LarsG: Work with onix, which works, but issues with vocabularies.
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Unknown LarsG: Work with onix, which works, but issues with vocabularies. ←
02:14:08 <tzviya> ack lars
Tzviya Siegman: ack lars ←
02:14:08 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to ask if libraries (which) are discussion metadata
Zakim IRC Bot: LarsG, you wanted to ask if libraries (which) are discussion metadata ←
02:14:14 <azaroth> ... will take it home and see if there can be something done
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... will take it home and see if there can be something done ←
02:14:17 <tzviya> ack gl
Tzviya Siegman: ack gl ←
02:14:29 <azaroth> glazou: A comment on number 10. Deprecation doesn't work. Will never work.
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Unknown glazou: A comment on number 10. Deprecation doesn't work. Will never work. ←
02:14:48 <azaroth> tzviya: We know that if we deprecate something, it needs to be replaced with something else
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Tzviya Siegman: We know that if we deprecate something, it needs to be replaced with something else ←
02:14:59 <azaroth> dauwhe: Or if there are things that were never implemented
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Dave Cramer: Or if there are things that were never implemented ←
02:15:09 <azaroth> Chris: that's just killing it then
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Unknown Chris: that's just killing it then ←
02:15:15 <azaroth> glazou: Deprecate means SHOULD NOT use it
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Unknown glazou: Deprecate means SHOULD NOT use it ←
02:15:21 <azaroth> ... and that UAs MUST support it still
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... and that UAs MUST support it still ←
02:15:32 <azaroth> ... when people can do something, they'll abuse it.
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... when people can do something, they'll abuse it. ←
02:15:45 <azaroth> ... everything relies on the validator, if it's just a warning that's not enough, needs to be an error
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... everything relies on the validator, if it's just a warning that's not enough, needs to be an error ←
02:15:54 <azaroth> ... so don't deprecate things, just remove them or leave them
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... so don't deprecate things, just remove them or leave them ←
02:16:06 <azaroth> tzviya: Daniel likes the death sentence
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Tzviya Siegman: Daniel likes the death sentence ←
02:16:11 <tzviya> ack h
Tzviya Siegman: ack h ←
02:16:32 <azaroth> HeatherF: Library community concern, member of special libraries association, can try to help bridge
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Heather Flanagan: Library community concern, member of special libraries association, can try to help bridge ←
02:16:46 <azaroth> tzviya: Let's talk about EPUB and DPUB
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Tzviya Siegman: Let's talk about EPUB and DPUB ←
02:16:48 <Florian> q?
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Unknown Florian: q? ←
02:16:53 <azaroth> ... alignment with OWP is a major goal
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... alignment with OWP is a major goal ←
02:17:06 <azaroth> ... Have been working on browser friendly manifestation. Major step towards portable web pubs
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... Have been working on browser friendly manifestation. Major step towards portable web pubs ←
02:17:25 <azaroth> ... some big issues to solve. Largest are identifier for the package, and for the components and subcomponents. Some form of a fragment ID
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... some big issues to solve. Largest are identifier for the package, and for the components and subcomponents. Some form of a fragment ID ←
02:17:30 <azaroth> ... need to talk about serialization
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... need to talk about serialization ←
02:17:42 <azaroth> ... if we shift away from XHTML, lots of XML vocabs
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... if we shift away from XHTML, lots of XML vocabs ←
02:17:56 <azaroth> ... SMIL, many others. Would need to replace them. A11y is dependent on XML
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... SMIL, many others. Would need to replace them. A11y is dependent on XML ←
02:18:06 <azaroth> ... working with ARIA, would need to explore working with other groups
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... working with ARIA, would need to explore working with other groups ←
02:18:15 <azaroth> ... implemented perhaps exclusively in EPUB
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... implemented perhaps exclusively in EPUB ←
02:18:41 <azaroth> Chris: Is that full smil, not just animation?
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Unknown Chris: Is that full smil, not just animation? ←
02:18:47 <azaroth> tzviya: Not dropping it in 3.1
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Tzviya Siegman: Not dropping it in 3.1 ←
02:18:57 <azaroth> ivan: I don't remember the details, but I don't think it's full SMIL
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Unknown ivan: I don't remember the details, but I don't think it's full SMIL ←
02:19:06 <azaroth> Chris: Could replace with CSS anims?
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Unknown Chris: Could replace with CSS anims? ←
02:19:21 <azaroth> ivan: there's a switch from SMIL that can't work with CSS. Used in practice, I don't know
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Unknown ivan: there's a switch from SMIL that can't work with CSS. Used in practice, I don't know ←
02:19:40 <azaroth> dauwhe: Short term issue is that there's some NS vocabs, lexicons, that we need replacements for in HTML serialization
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Dave Cramer: Short term issue is that there's some NS vocabs, lexicons, that we need replacements for in HTML serialization ←
02:19:41 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
02:19:54 <azaroth> ... full SMIL is OWP alignment, and out of scope for 3.1
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... full SMIL is OWP alignment, and out of scope for 3.1 ←
02:20:21 <azaroth> ... last slide. Aggressive time line. Have to finish DPUB work soon.
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... last slide. Aggressive time line. Have to finish DPUB work soon. ←
02:20:36 <azaroth> ... identifier schemes might be dependent on Anno WG
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... identifier schemes might be dependent on Anno WG ←
02:20:52 <azaroth> ... conversation?
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... conversation? ←
02:21:00 <ivan> q+
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Unknown ivan: q+ ←
02:21:06 <azaroth> Steve: Wanted to +1 daniel's point about schedule
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Unknown Steve: Wanted to +1 daniel's point about schedule ←
02:21:12 <azaroth> ... and lack of ability for testing
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... and lack of ability for testing ←
02:21:21 <azaroth> ... or even comparing alternate implementations
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... or even comparing alternate implementations ←
02:21:40 <azaroth> ... CSS began with a reasonable set of things. Not all got implemented. CSS2 is the second generation -- put in everything that didn't get to v1
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... CSS began with a reasonable set of things. Not all got implemented. CSS2 is the second generation -- put in everything that didn't get to v1 ←
02:21:59 <azaroth> ... catch was that implementations would sample from the space, and wouldn't consistently implement across the space
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... catch was that implementations would sample from the space, and wouldn't consistently implement across the space ←
02:22:05 <azaroth> ... took 7 years to get to 2.1 subset
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... took 7 years to get to 2.1 subset ←
02:22:12 <azaroth> ... importantly an interoperable subset
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... importantly an interoperable subset ←
02:22:20 <azaroth> ... much more precisely tested subset
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... much more precisely tested subset ←
02:22:26 <azaroth> ... without interop, specs are dangerous
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... without interop, specs are dangerous ←
02:22:48 <azaroth> ... they break features. Had to give up on some because they're not interoperable [or implementable]
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... they break features. Had to give up on some because they're not interoperable [or implementable] ←
02:22:57 <azaroth> ... so dont' take lightly the comment about the insane schedule
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... so dont' take lightly the comment about the insane schedule ←
02:23:04 <azaroth> ... they want results, but results that work.
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... they want results, but results that work. ←
02:23:13 <azaroth> ... CSS 2 example of spec that didn't work
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... CSS 2 example of spec that didn't work ←
02:23:29 <azaroth> tzviya: Will say that we're in early days and not commited to everything on the list
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Tzviya Siegman: Will say that we're in early days and not commited to everything on the list ←
02:23:37 <azaroth> ... may decide that it's not feasible to do some things
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... may decide that it's not feasible to do some things ←
02:23:39 <glazou> q+
Unknown glazou: q+ ←
02:23:42 <azaroth> ... will explore it tho
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... will explore it tho ←
02:23:52 <azaroth> ... might kill more subgroups
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... might kill more subgroups ←
02:24:12 <azaroth> SteveZ: Restructuring, but only one group for removal, but none that say interoperable
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Unknown SteveZ: Restructuring, but only one group for removal, but none that say interoperable ←
02:24:17 <azaroth> ... that's the piece I think you're missing
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... that's the piece I think you're missing ←
02:24:26 <azaroth> ... How do you ensure what's in 3 is interoperable across implementations
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... How do you ensure what's in 3 is interoperable across implementations ←
02:24:35 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
02:24:49 <tzviya> ack gla
Tzviya Siegman: ack gla ←
02:24:57 <azaroth> glazou: second what SteveZ said
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Unknown glazou: second what SteveZ said ←
02:25:17 <azaroth> ... don't know the exact meaning of restructuring or details of work, but seems that there are high level issues that should be fixed before that
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... don't know the exact meaning of restructuring or details of work, but seems that there are high level issues that should be fixed before that ←
02:25:21 <azaroth> ... main one is editorial work
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... main one is editorial work ←
02:25:33 <azaroth> ... 3.0 suffer from severe editorial problems
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... 3.0 suffer from severe editorial problems ←
02:25:43 <azaroth> ... need to navigate between docs all the time
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... need to navigate between docs all the time ←
02:25:49 <azaroth> ivan: That's the subgroup
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Unknown ivan: That's the subgroup ←
02:26:00 <azaroth> glazou: also the vocab used to describe features is poor
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Unknown glazou: also the vocab used to describe features is poor ←
02:26:09 <azaroth> tzviya: feedback welcome
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Tzviya Siegman: feedback welcome ←
02:26:19 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
02:26:21 <azaroth> glazou: spine? landmark? if you're not english speaker you're doomed
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Unknown glazou: spine? landmark? if you're not english speaker you're doomed ←
02:26:31 <azaroth> ... rewritten by tech writer, not an implementer
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... rewritten by tech writer, not an implementer ←
02:26:41 <azaroth> ... inside or outside the group, but something that's readable
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... inside or outside the group, but something that's readable ←
02:27:00 <azaroth> ... tech work in 3.1 is unrealistic. will end up with issues
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... tech work in 3.1 is unrealistic. will end up with issues ←
02:27:07 <azaroth> ... 3.0.1 there's a link to dev.w3.org
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... 3.0.1 there's a link to dev.w3.org ←
02:27:16 <azaroth> ... how is that possible? no link checker?
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... how is that possible? no link checker? ←
02:27:25 <azaroth> ... a spec linking to an unstable doc that can change overnight
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... a spec linking to an unstable doc that can change overnight ←
02:27:35 <azaroth> ... do we want to replicate this by working too fast?
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... do we want to replicate this by working too fast? ←
02:27:48 <azaroth> ... would accept a 3 year schedule, but 9 months... wow.
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... would accept a 3 year schedule, but 9 months... wow. ←
02:27:48 <tzviya> ack iv
Tzviya Siegman: ack iv ←
02:27:53 <azaroth> ivan: different things
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Unknown ivan: different things ←
02:28:08 <azaroth> ... lets realize that this is work done in another organization
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... lets realize that this is work done in another organization ←
02:28:18 <azaroth> ... so lets not bash them please
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... so lets not bash them please ←
02:28:31 <azaroth> ... not our responsibility, we can have an opinion, but lets not go too far
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... not our responsibility, we can have an opinion, but lets not go too far ←
02:28:39 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
02:28:45 <azaroth> ... Schizophrenic, because part of the IDPF WG too.
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... Schizophrenic, because part of the IDPF WG too. ←
02:29:01 <azaroth> ... Need to look at how this IG can help the IDPF WG process for 3.1 or after
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... Need to look at how this IG can help the IDPF WG process for 3.1 or after ←
02:29:14 <azaroth> ... start with draft from last week, looks at lots of general things
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... start with draft from last week, looks at lots of general things ←
02:29:23 <azaroth> ... a number of things there for good reasons because the industry needs it
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... a number of things there for good reasons because the industry needs it ←
02:29:30 <azaroth> ... SMIL adopted because of a need for that
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... SMIL adopted because of a need for that ←
02:29:38 <azaroth> ... not really adopted at large outside of publishers
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... not really adopted at large outside of publishers ←
02:29:43 <azaroth> ... so something has to be done to replace it
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... so something has to be done to replace it ←
02:29:52 <azaroth> ... CSS animation works for some, need to find for others
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... CSS animation works for some, need to find for others ←
02:30:12 <azaroth> ... in process of doing that for IDPF, if we identify issues and problems that can't be changed in 3.1, but could flag it as longterm needing solutions
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... in process of doing that for IDPF, if we identify issues and problems that can't be changed in 3.1, but could flag it as longterm needing solutions ←
02:30:21 <azaroth> ... all those issues should come to this group for further work
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... all those issues should come to this group for further work ←
02:30:27 <azaroth> ... as we're closer to the OWP issues
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... as we're closer to the OWP issues ←
02:30:39 <azaroth> ... a systematic listing of the issues. may come up in subgroups now, or later
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... a systematic listing of the issues. may come up in subgroups now, or later ←
02:30:53 <azaroth> tzviya: a good point. if the schedule needs to be reviewed, then that's the place for it
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Tzviya Siegman: a good point. if the schedule needs to be reviewed, then that's the place for it ←
02:31:01 <azaroth> ... here is what's relevant to the W3C, not scheduling
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... here is what's relevant to the W3C, not scheduling ←
02:31:15 <azaroth> ... if you want to join the EPUB WG, that would be great
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... if you want to join the EPUB WG, that would be great ←
02:31:19 <tzviya> ack da
Tzviya Siegman: ack da ←
02:31:21 <azaroth> ... should talk about alignment between the groups
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... should talk about alignment between the groups ←
02:31:30 <azaroth> dauwhe: this kind of input from ppl with real experience is useful
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Dave Cramer: this kind of input from ppl with real experience is useful ←
02:31:47 <azaroth> ... I think especially the interesting question of what is the interoperable core of 3.0.1 right now
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... I think especially the interesting question of what is the interoperable core of 3.0.1 right now ←
02:31:56 <azaroth> ... answering that question could go a long way to answering what we should kill
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... answering that question could go a long way to answering what we should kill ←
02:32:10 <azaroth> ... could go towards answering what work do we need to do to fix things in 3.1
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... could go towards answering what work do we need to do to fix things in 3.1 ←
02:32:31 <azaroth> ... maybe it's a matter of cutting out stuff, 3 has a checkered history of slow adoption, implementation
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... maybe it's a matter of cutting out stuff, 3 has a checkered history of slow adoption, implementation ←
02:32:54 <azaroth> ... we've sent only 3 to the supply chain for a while, but sending stuff compatible with 2
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... we've sent only 3 to the supply chain for a while, but sending stuff compatible with 2 ←
02:33:07 <azaroth> ... all those are useful to look at as we try to figure out what we want to work on
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... all those are useful to look at as we try to figure out what we want to work on ←
02:33:12 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
02:33:33 <azaroth> tzviya: I think valuable to find out from testing platform folks, working with 70 user agents rather than 5
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Tzviya Siegman: I think valuable to find out from testing platform folks, working with 70 user agents rather than 5 ←
02:33:59 <azaroth> ... IOS, Android, linux, mac, pc, ... proliferation of RS ... sometimes you have one organization with 12 instances
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... IOS, Android, linux, mac, pc, ... proliferation of RS ... sometimes you have one organization with 12 instances ←
02:34:18 <azaroth> dauwhe: with significant differences between the same system on different platforms. much worse than browsers
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Dave Cramer: with significant differences between the same system on different platforms. much worse than browsers ←
02:34:35 <azaroth> SteveZ: I think the key thing with testing, you enable orgs to do their own self testing and certification
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Unknown SteveZ: I think the key thing with testing, you enable orgs to do their own self testing and certification ←
02:34:46 <azaroth> ... the point was that we, css group, we don't test browsers
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... the point was that we, css group, we don't test browsers ←
02:35:13 <azaroth> ... vendors can test themselves and others, but we rely on others reporting the results. We just make the tests available and easy to run
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... vendors can test themselves and others, but we rely on others reporting the results. We just make the tests available and easy to run ←
02:35:33 <azaroth> ... Not saying you should have a certification program, but it makes sense at some level
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... Not saying you should have a certification program, but it makes sense at some level ←
02:35:35 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
02:35:59 <azaroth> tzviya: We have a suite of tests with BISG to run a suite of tests. WOrking to make site more friendly. participation from RS on the site is low to very low
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Tzviya Siegman: We have a suite of tests with BISG to run a suite of tests. WOrking to make site more friendly. participation from RS on the site is low to very low ←
02:36:28 <azaroth> Chris: Disagree on self cert. self testing is okay though. Each test needs to indicate what part of what spec it's testing
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Unknown Chris: Disagree on self cert. self testing is okay though. Each test needs to indicate what part of what spec it's testing ←
02:36:35 <azaroth> ... not enough to be clear to the person that wrote it
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... not enough to be clear to the person that wrote it ←
02:36:45 <azaroth> ... worse than no tests is bad tests pushing people in the wrong direction
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... worse than no tests is bad tests pushing people in the wrong direction ←
02:36:51 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
02:37:07 <azaroth> Florian: Coming back to earlier point. Allowing HTML rather than X*
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Unknown Florian: Coming back to earlier point. Allowing HTML rather than X* ←
02:37:34 <azaroth> ... if you allow both serializations you can write it with the X and it's backwards compatible, but non-XHTML is not compatible
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... if you allow both serializations you can write it with the X and it's backwards compatible, but non-XHTML is not compatible ←
02:37:44 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
02:37:46 <azaroth> ... non-X agents will completely fail
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... non-X agents will completely fail ←
02:38:10 <azaroth> tzviya: only consideration of HTML is that browser version might have HTML and packaged version have XHTML
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Tzviya Siegman: only consideration of HTML is that browser version might have HTML and packaged version have XHTML ←
02:38:31 <azaroth> dauwhe: We've also run informal tests. Concern on ingestion process of RS that may require XML tool chains
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Dave Cramer: We've also run informal tests. Concern on ingestion process of RS that may require XML tool chains ←
02:38:33 <mgylling> html tests: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1huXAucpY4AddVJpDETBp6DkckbFNHBJWQqk2WIBMiDE/edit
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Unknown mgylling: html tests: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1huXAucpY4AddVJpDETBp6DkckbFNHBJWQqk2WIBMiDE/edit ←
02:38:47 <azaroth> ... rendering engine might be happy at the end of that chain
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... rendering engine might be happy at the end of that chain ←
02:39:00 <azaroth> Florian: Web world loves HTML, but browsers can consume XHTML
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Unknown Florian: Web world loves HTML, but browsers can consume XHTML ←
02:39:08 <azaroth> ... don't see how you can drop the X
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... don't see how you can drop the X ←
02:39:13 <glazou> q+ hober
Unknown glazou: q+ hober ←
02:39:16 <azaroth> tzviya: Decided against polyglot
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Tzviya Siegman: Decided against polyglot ←
02:39:25 <tzviya> ack da
Tzviya Siegman: ack da ←
02:39:25 <azaroth> q?
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q? ←
02:39:26 <Florian> q-
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Unknown Florian: q- ←
02:39:28 <tzviya> ack ho
Tzviya Siegman: ack ho ←
02:39:44 <azaroth> Edward: Difference between defacto and de juris compatibility
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Unknown Edward: Difference between defacto and de juris compatibility ←
02:39:55 <csarven> Can someone summarize why it was decided to not to use HTML5 Polyglot?
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Unknown csarven: Can someone summarize why it was decided to not to use HTML5 Polyglot? ←
02:39:57 <azaroth> ... on paper it shouldn't work, probably does in practice.
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... on paper it shouldn't work, probably does in practice. ←
02:40:09 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
02:40:10 <azaroth> ... the process is the big deal.
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... the process is the big deal. ←
02:40:18 <azaroth> tzviya: You can fake out most tools
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Tzviya Siegman: You can fake out most tools ←
02:40:28 <tzviya> ack da
Tzviya Siegman: ack da ←
02:40:29 <azaroth> Florian: readers based on browsers, no surprise. The ones that aren't are the worry
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Unknown Florian: readers based on browsers, no surprise. The ones that aren't are the worry ←
02:40:40 <azaroth> dauwhe: Larger question, we have to allow HTML at some point in the future
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Dave Cramer: Larger question, we have to allow HTML at some point in the future ←
02:40:52 <azaroth> ... don't see a way around and the more time that passes the harder it becomes
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... don't see a way around and the more time that passes the harder it becomes ←
02:40:53 <csarven> q+ Request for summary for -1 on Polyglot
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Unknown csarven: q+ Request for summary for -1 on Polyglot ←
02:40:53 <glazou> q+
Unknown glazou: q+ ←
02:41:01 <azaroth> ... have to dive in at some point
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... have to dive in at some point ←
02:41:11 <tzviya> ack dan
Tzviya Siegman: ack dan ←
02:41:17 <azaroth> sarven: could you summarize why not polyglot?
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Unknown sarven: could you summarize why not polyglot? ←
02:41:25 <csarven> q-
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Unknown csarven: q- ←
02:41:26 <azaroth> glazou: polyglot was a contentious point
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Unknown glazou: polyglot was a contentious point ←
02:41:37 <csarven> present+ csarven
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Unknown csarven: present+ csarven ←
02:41:53 <azaroth> ... only editor is mine, not apple not MS, that's why it failed
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... only editor is mine, not apple not MS, that's why it failed ←
02:41:58 <azaroth> ... no one knows how to do it
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... no one knows how to do it ←
02:42:13 <azaroth> CHris: disadvantage of both, advantages of neither, needed a new tool chain
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Unknown CHris: disadvantage of both, advantages of neither, needed a new tool chain ←
02:42:21 <azaroth> ... needed special purpose tools, and not worth while
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... needed special purpose tools, and not worth while ←
02:42:31 <azaroth> glazou: It would be okay if HTML5 main dialect was polyglot
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Unknown glazou: It would be okay if HTML5 main dialect was polyglot ←
02:42:37 <azaroth> ... but it's not
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... but it's not ←
02:42:50 <tzviya> ack gla
Tzviya Siegman: ack gla ←
02:43:14 <azaroth> ... If I take a regular web dev conference, a month ago, I ask about it. If I ask what it is, 1/100th of the room would know
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... If I take a regular web dev conference, a month ago, I ask about it. If I ask what it is, 1/100th of the room would know ←
02:43:25 <tzviya> ack re
Tzviya Siegman: ack re ←
02:43:26 <Zakim> Request, you wanted to discuss summary for -1 on Polyglot
Zakim IRC Bot: Request, you wanted to discuss summary for -1 on Polyglot ←
02:43:48 <SteveZ> q+ to say "Can I Use"
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Unknown SteveZ: q+ to say "Can I Use" ←
02:43:58 <azaroth> csarven: I trust your study, but find it odd from my experience. I haven't found any issues with the tools, and easier to work with.
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Unknown csarven: I trust your study, but find it odd from my experience. I haven't found any issues with the tools, and easier to work with. ←
02:44:11 <azaroth> ... So was curious to see why
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... So was curious to see why ←
02:44:12 <glazou> q+ hober
Unknown glazou: q+ hober ←
02:44:20 <azaroth> tzviya: Aside from the toolchain, so many restrictions
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Tzviya Siegman: Aside from the toolchain, so many restrictions ←
02:44:40 <azaroth> ... iframes, interactive content, etc. Figuring out the restrictions in a spec from a few years
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... iframes, interactive content, etc. Figuring out the restrictions in a spec from a few years ←
02:44:51 <azaroth> Ed: polyglot requires a profile of javascript that's ??
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Unknown Ed: polyglot requires a profile of javascript that's ?? ←
02:44:57 <azaroth> dauwhe: Sounds perfect
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Dave Cramer: Sounds perfect ←
02:44:59 <tzviya> ack steve
Tzviya Siegman: ack steve ←
02:44:59 <Zakim> SteveZ, you wanted to say "Can I Use"
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveZ, you wanted to say "Can I Use" ←
02:45:31 <azaroth> SteveZ: related to testing, there's a valuable resource to drive compliance, and that's sites like Can I Use
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Unknown SteveZ: related to testing, there's a valuable resource to drive compliance, and that's sites like Can I Use ←
02:45:41 <azaroth> ... a public site that shows where you can use given features
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... a public site that shows where you can use given features ←
02:45:42 <dauwhe> http://epubtest.org/
Dave Cramer: http://epubtest.org/ ←
02:45:56 <azaroth> ... by publicly exposing it, there's pressure on the vendors to fix problems that show up there
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... by publicly exposing it, there's pressure on the vendors to fix problems that show up there ←
02:46:04 <ivan> Present+ csarven
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Unknown ivan: Present+ csarven ←
02:46:07 <azaroth> ... part of the problem with 70 people, they don't have anything pushing them
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... part of the problem with 70 people, they don't have anything pushing them ←
02:46:10 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
02:46:12 <azaroth> ... not necessarily the vendors
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... not necessarily the vendors ←
02:46:24 <azaroth> ... public sites that make some systems look better than others helps compliance
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... public sites that make some systems look better than others helps compliance ←
02:46:37 <dauwhe> http://epubtest.org/results/
Dave Cramer: http://epubtest.org/results/ ←
02:46:43 <azaroth> tzviya: epubtest.org does some of that. Working on improving it. Aware of caniuse
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Tzviya Siegman: epubtest.org does some of that. Working on improving it. Aware of caniuse ←
02:46:58 <azaroth> ... Pushed epub3 further
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... Pushed epub3 further ←
02:47:09 <tzviya> ack hob
Tzviya Siegman: ack hob ←
02:47:12 <azaroth> SteveZ: Have you explored if can i use would help?
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Unknown SteveZ: Have you explored if can i use would help? ←
02:47:16 <azaroth> ... not connected
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... not connected ←
02:47:24 <azaroth> Chris: On github, so take PRs
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Unknown Chris: On github, so take PRs ←
02:47:30 <azaroth> ... can fork it too
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... can fork it too ←
02:47:44 <dauwhe> ack dauwhe
Dave Cramer: ack dauwhe ←
02:47:46 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
02:48:00 <Bobby> Japanese did very detailed Reader testing, even not all about the spec: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14X_eFPqtJju80IgklQ4SLV7KF7-05EWWTc6trOUQttQ/pubhtml#
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Unknown Bobby: Japanese did very detailed Reader testing, even not all about the spec: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14X_eFPqtJju80IgklQ4SLV7KF7-05EWWTc6trOUQttQ/pubhtml# ←
02:48:38 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
02:48:46 <azaroth> tzviya: take aways: Crazy to do it quickly, need testing maybe forking canIUse, we'd love help
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Tzviya Siegman: take aways: Crazy to do it quickly, need testing maybe forking canIUse, we'd love help ←
02:48:57 <azaroth> ... any suggestions to take back to IDPF for alignment
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... any suggestions to take back to IDPF for alignment ←
02:49:02 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
02:49:17 <azaroth> Florian: CSS profiling. Moving away from a specific profile is good. Moving on to snapshot not obviously good
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Unknown Florian: CSS profiling. Moving away from a specific profile is good. Moving on to snapshot not obviously good ←
02:49:20 <azaroth> ... maybe better
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... maybe better ←
02:49:32 <azaroth> ivan: pushes the corpse into the CSS group's courtyard
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Unknown ivan: pushes the corpse into the CSS group's courtyard ←
02:49:45 <azaroth> ... not present for the profile being defined, but same problem of what is stable
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... not present for the profile being defined, but same problem of what is stable ←
02:49:58 <azaroth> ... external trying to catch up is more complex than CSS doing it
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... external trying to catch up is more complex than CSS doing it ←
02:50:04 <azaroth> Florian: Profiling itself is an issue
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Unknown Florian: Profiling itself is an issue ←
02:50:13 <azaroth> tzviya: allow all?
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Tzviya Siegman: allow all? ←
02:50:44 <azaroth> Florian: You do by using browsers already. Saying that you should support stuff is okay, but not MUST support all of this
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Unknown Florian: You do by using browsers already. Saying that you should support stuff is okay, but not MUST support all of this ←
02:50:53 <azaroth> ... TV world tried and didn't have much success either
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... TV world tried and didn't have much success either ←
02:51:03 <azaroth> ... snapshot is what the browser world has, not everything is relevant
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... snapshot is what the browser world has, not everything is relevant ←
02:51:10 <azaroth> ... ideally it would be good to support everything
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... ideally it would be good to support everything ←
02:51:15 <azaroth> ... but not going to happen
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... but not going to happen ←
02:51:28 <azaroth> tzviya: should be talking about conformance criteria
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Tzviya Siegman: should be talking about conformance criteria ←
02:51:43 <azaroth> Florian: authors will include what works, what they hope willl start working soon
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Unknown Florian: authors will include what works, what they hope willl start working soon ←
02:51:50 <azaroth> ... profile that creates extensions is a big problem
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... profile that creates extensions is a big problem ←
02:51:59 <azaroth> ... or forbidding going beyond the profile
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... or forbidding going beyond the profile ←
02:52:13 <azaroth> ... iput the focus on supporting page related stuff, maybe that work work
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... iput the focus on supporting page related stuff, maybe that work work ←
02:52:41 <azaroth> ivan: my understanding of the snapshot is that those are the css docs that from the WG's point of view are stable
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Unknown ivan: my understanding of the snapshot is that those are the css docs that from the WG's point of view are stable ←
02:52:50 <azaroth> ... that's different statement to what you're saying
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... that's different statement to what you're saying ←
02:52:58 <azaroth> ... doesn't say that those are implemented docs
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... doesn't say that those are implemented docs ←
02:53:04 <azaroth> Florian: correct
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Unknown Florian: correct ←
02:53:25 <azaroth> ivan: Not sure what else can IDPF external group do, other than to say whatever the CSS group declares as being stable is what we use
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Unknown ivan: Not sure what else can IDPF external group do, other than to say whatever the CSS group declares as being stable is what we use ←
02:53:37 <azaroth> ... if CSS WG decides that this and this are still experimental, then don't use it
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... if CSS WG decides that this and this are still experimental, then don't use it ←
02:53:39 <Bobby> tzviya I’ll try after lunch
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Unknown Bobby: tzviya I’ll try after lunch ←
02:53:50 <azaroth> ... plan is to issue snapshot every year, so don't see a better option for IDPF
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... plan is to issue snapshot every year, so don't see a better option for IDPF ←
02:54:00 <azaroth> ... than to rely on what the WG says
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... than to rely on what the WG says ←
02:54:01 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
02:54:11 <azaroth> Chris: Take the snapshot as the base and add what's stable in readers
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Unknown Chris: Take the snapshot as the base and add what's stable in readers ←
02:54:16 <azaroth> ... even if the browsers are behind
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... even if the browsers are behind ←
02:54:39 <azaroth> ivan: EPUB readers may have implemented unstable docs from the WG PoV? the list is not implementation specific?
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Unknown ivan: EPUB readers may have implemented unstable docs from the WG PoV? the list is not implementation specific? ←
02:54:50 <azaroth> FLorian: won't declare something stable unless there's implementations
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Unknown FLorian: won't declare something stable unless there's implementations ←
02:54:58 <azaroth> ... not quite rec level but close
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... not quite rec level but close ←
02:55:03 <azaroth> ivan: Not clear in snapshot doc
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Unknown ivan: Not clear in snapshot doc ←
02:55:07 <azaroth> ... very important differnce
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... very important differnce ←
02:55:08 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
02:55:15 <azaroth> tzviya: could do with input on css task force
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Tzviya Siegman: could do with input on css task force ←
02:55:20 <r12a> q+
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Unknown r12a: q+ ←
02:55:51 <azaroth> Florian: briefly, snapshot good to point to, but careful what you say about it . what does we use this mean.
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Unknown Florian: briefly, snapshot good to point to, but careful what you say about it . what does we use this mean. ←
02:56:00 <azaroth> ... [... too fast ...
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... [... too fast ... ←
02:56:01 <azaroth> ]
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] ←
02:56:08 <Bert1> (From CSS Snapshot 2015: " This profile includes only specifications that we consider stable and for which we have enough implementation experience that we are sure of that stability.")
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Unknown Bert1: (From CSS Snapshot 2015: " This profile includes only specifications that we consider stable and for which we have enough implementation experience that we are sure of that stability.") ←
02:56:22 <tzviya> ack da
Tzviya Siegman: ack da ←
02:56:40 <azaroth> dauwhe: Looking at snapshot, css is defined by list of specs
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Dave Cramer: Looking at snapshot, css is defined by list of specs ←
02:56:49 <azaroth> ... then a couple of other lists of things that are good but not official
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... then a couple of other lists of things that are good but not official ←
02:56:59 <azaroth> ... proposal was to say UAs must support 2015 snapshot
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... proposal was to say UAs must support 2015 snapshot ←
02:57:04 <azaroth> tzviya: I think we can discuss in IDPF
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Tzviya Siegman: I think we can discuss in IDPF ←
02:57:12 <tzviya> ack r12
Tzviya Siegman: ack r12 ←
02:57:35 <azaroth> r12a: My understanding -- certain extensions supported eg for vertical text
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Unknown r12a: My understanding -- certain extensions supported eg for vertical text ←
02:57:42 <azaroth> ... how does that fit with what we've been saying
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... how does that fit with what we've been saying ←
02:57:47 <azaroth> ... and how does it fit with writing modes
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... and how does it fit with writing modes ←
02:57:58 <azaroth> ... could be used to replace proprietary approaches
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... could be used to replace proprietary approaches ←
02:58:17 <azaroth> dauwhe: would add to first statement that epub UAs must support snapshot plus these other things for CJK
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Dave Cramer: would add to first statement that epub UAs must support snapshot plus these other things for CJK ←
02:58:49 <azaroth> r12a: Other half of q, was that writing modes progressed, and ereaders using something similar, how do we harmonize approach to vertical text
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Unknown r12a: Other half of q, was that writing modes progressed, and ereaders using something similar, how do we harmonize approach to vertical text ←
02:58:51 <Florian> The CSS snapshot is a good representation of the state of stable CSS as of today (where stable includes the fact that based on implementation experience, we know that they are), so pointing at it is a good thing. Requiring conformance either from authors or UA vendors is a very different proposition
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Unknown Florian: The CSS snapshot is a good representation of the state of stable CSS as of today (where stable includes the fact that based on implementation experience, we know that they are), so pointing at it is a good thing. Requiring conformance either from authors or UA vendors is a very different proposition ←
02:58:57 <azaroth> dauwhe: good q, don't know much about the state in EPUB
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Dave Cramer: good q, don't know much about the state in EPUB ←
02:59:09 <Florian> q-
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Unknown Florian: q- ←
02:59:12 <Florian> q-+
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Unknown Florian: q-+ ←
02:59:14 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
02:59:26 <azaroth> brady_duga: we took a snapshot of writing modes, prefixed some properties and said you have to use this syntax
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Unknown brady_duga: we took a snapshot of writing modes, prefixed some properties and said you have to use this syntax ←
02:59:37 <azaroth> ... but the semantics change with the writing mode specs
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... but the semantics change with the writing mode specs ←
02:59:40 <azaroth> ... problematic
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... problematic ←
02:59:55 <azaroth> ... one reason was the syntax changed. so didn't map to any semantics as the properties and values changed
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... one reason was the syntax changed. so didn't map to any semantics as the properties and values changed ←
03:00:08 <azaroth> ... did do an update at some point to correct some that changed .... and then they changed again
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... did do an update at some point to correct some that changed .... and then they changed again ←
03:00:17 <azaroth> ... so can't do ??? correctly as the names/values move
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... so can't do ??? correctly as the names/values move ←
03:00:39 <azaroth> Edward: Rendering engines have ability to alias properties to each other
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Unknown Edward: Rendering engines have ability to alias properties to each other ←
03:00:47 <azaroth> ... so as CSS move, the prefixed versions get dragged along
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... so as CSS move, the prefixed versions get dragged along ←
03:00:52 <azaroth> So I don't think that works
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So I don't think that works ←
03:01:01 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
03:01:05 <azaroth> Florian: writing modes expeced to hit in 2016
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Unknown Florian: writing modes expeced to hit in 2016 ←
03:01:18 <azaroth> ... close but not quite there. small doc, with not quite so aggressive schedule
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... close but not quite there. small doc, with not quite so aggressive schedule ←
03:01:37 <azaroth> ... also no browser would match the full snapshot
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... also no browser would match the full snapshot ←
03:01:43 <azaroth> tzviya: Come back at 1pm
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Tzviya Siegman: Come back at 1pm ←
03:01:54 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
03:01:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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04:03:57 <brady_duga> Topic: CSS
04:06:53 <ivan> Topic: Meeting with the CSS WG
04:07:35 <yamane> present+ Taketoshi Yamane
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Unknown yamane: present+ Taketoshi Yamane ←
04:07:49 <ivan> Present+ fantasai, Peter_Linss, Rossen,
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Unknown ivan: Present+ fantasai, Peter_Linss, Rossen, ←
04:07:57 <fantasai> present+ fantasai
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Unknown fantasai: ←
04:08:10 <fantasai> s/present+ fantasai/
04:08:12 <fantasai> s/present+ fantasai//
04:08:20 <brady_duga> Tzviya: Welcome CSS people
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Tzviya Siegman: Welcome CSS people ←
04:08:36 <rossen> Present+ rossen
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Unknown rossen: Present+ rossen ←
04:08:38 <brady_duga> … handing over to Dave to give a walkthrough
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… handing over to Dave to give a walkthrough ←
04:09:10 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Already talked about CSS in context of math and houdini
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Dave Cramer: Already talked about CSS in context of math and houdini ←
04:09:46 <brady_duga> … and in the context of epub 3.1 as to what RSes should support (and how to specify it)
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… and in the context of epub 3.1 as to what RSes should support (and how to specify it) ←
04:10:15 <brady_duga> … This group has done work on our wishlist for CSS
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… This group has done work on our wishlist for CSS ←
04:10:36 <brady_duga> … have been sneaking around TPAC trying to get people to implement some of those features
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… have been sneaking around TPAC trying to get people to implement some of those features ←
04:10:42 <brady_duga> … like alignment in tables
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… like alignment in tables ←
04:10:56 <tzviya> +100 for char alignment in tables
Tzviya Siegman: +100 for char alignment in tables ←
04:11:06 <brady_duga> … Q: that property is in a draft of a spec
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… Q: that property is in a draft of a spec ←
04:11:14 <brady_duga> … Do we need to do any spec work here?
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… Do we need to do any spec work here? ←
04:11:30 <brady_duga> fantasai: Not many issues, but not many implementations.
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Unknown fantasai: Not many issues, but not many implementations. ←
04:11:42 <brady_duga> … Keeps moving forward (from CSS 2 to level 4)
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… Keeps moving forward (from CSS 2 to level 4) ←
04:11:56 <brady_duga> … either need to implement or say what is wrong with it
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… either need to implement or say what is wrong with it ←
04:12:17 <brady_duga> Florian: There are implementations, just not in the web sphere
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Unknown Florian: There are implementations, just not in the web sphere ←
04:12:46 <brady_duga> … implementation experience may be coming, so we may learn from that
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… implementation experience may be coming, so we may learn from that ←
04:13:39 <brady_duga> tzviya: Does it have to be Chrome, or just anyone at Google (for having weight)
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Tzviya Siegman: Does it have to be Chrome, or just anyone at Google (for having weight) ←
04:13:52 <ivan> Present+ Dean_Jackson
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Unknown ivan: Present+ Dean_Jackson ←
04:13:58 <brady_duga> Florian: Any implementation is good, as we learn
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Unknown Florian: Any implementation is good, as we learn ←
04:14:10 <brady_duga> rossen: Why this list? How did you come up with it?
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Unknown rossen: Why this list? How did you come up with it? ←
04:14:29 <ivan> Present+ David_Baron
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Unknown ivan: Present+ David_Baron ←
04:14:36 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Highly unscientific, just asked people I know, asked on lists, etc
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Dave Cramer: Highly unscientific, just asked people I know, asked on lists, etc ←
04:15:33 <brady_duga> Florian: something about priortity of ???
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Unknown Florian: something about priortity of ??? ←
04:15:46 <brady_duga> dauwhe: We also considered low-hanging fruit
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Dave Cramer: We also considered low-hanging fruit ←
04:16:09 <brady_duga> tzviya: character alignment seems so easy
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Tzviya Siegman: character alignment seems so easy ←
04:16:25 <brady_duga> fantasai: Actually, not that easy.
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Unknown fantasai: Actually, not that easy. ←
04:17:31 <brady_duga> [general argument among CSS members about how easy/hard character alignment is]
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[general argument among CSS members about how easy/hard character alignment is] ←
04:17:41 <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/#character-alignment
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Unknown fantasai: http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/#character-alignment ←
04:17:42 <Florian> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment
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Unknown Florian: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment ←
04:17:47 <brady_duga> fantasai: Tell me what is missing please
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Unknown fantasai: Tell me what is missing please ←
04:17:53 <tzviya> priorities list: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/priorities.html
Tzviya Siegman: priorities list: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/priorities.html ←
04:18:25 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Skipping pagination for now as it is so huge
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Dave Cramer: Skipping pagination for now as it is so huge ←
04:18:46 <brady_duga> … Generated content is one category, but it is fraught with a11y
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… Generated content is one category, but it is fraught with a11y ←
04:18:50 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
04:19:04 <brady_duga> … Has there been work to deal with a11y around generated content?
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… Has there been work to deal with a11y around generated content? ←
04:19:53 <brady_duga> … table numbering, cross reference using counters, etc
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… table numbering, cross reference using counters, etc ←
04:20:04 <dbaron> fantasai, is it ok if I just add an issue or two to the spec saying what needs to be defined?
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Unknown dbaron: fantasai, is it ok if I just add an issue or two to the spec saying what needs to be defined? ←
04:20:14 <brady_duga> … useful for table of contents and other fun stuff
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… useful for table of contents and other fun stuff ←
04:21:10 <brady_duga> … We see the use cases, but are weary of a11y issues around it. Hesitant to push until we understand a11y perspective
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… We see the use cases, but are weary of a11y issues around it. Hesitant to push until we understand a11y perspective ←
04:21:39 <brady_duga> fantasai: The spec should cover speech output, the fact that it isn’t is a bug
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Unknown fantasai: The spec should cover speech output, the fact that it isn’t is a bug ←
04:21:51 <brady_duga> … happy to do any spec work for specific issues in this area
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… happy to do any spec work for specific issues in this area ←
04:22:02 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
04:22:15 <brady_duga> … Can add a box about it in the gc spec, but still has implementation issues
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… Can add a box about it in the gc spec, but still has implementation issues ←
04:22:39 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Have heard some people want to use GC for only decorative content, but that is hard to do and define
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Dave Cramer: Have heard some people want to use GC for only decorative content, but that is hard to do and define ←
04:23:14 <brady_duga> fantasai: We should make it be accesible. Should use other options when the counter needs to be used in the text of the document
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Unknown fantasai: Implementations should make it be accesible. Can in the future use 'display: marker' on in-document elements when the counter needs to be used in the text of the document ←
04:23:34 <brady_duga> tzviya: Harder case: running head needs to be accessible
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Tzviya Siegman: Harder case: running head needs to be accessible ←
04:23:51 <brady_duga> rossen: Should be accessible now
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Unknown rossen: Should be accessible by spec ←
04:24:04 <fantasai> s/We should/Implementations should/
04:24:04 <brady_duga> tzviya: But it isn’t - what do we do?
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Tzviya Siegman: But it isn’t - what do we do? ←
04:24:17 <brady_duga> fantasai: File bugs
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Unknown fantasai: File bugs ←
04:24:23 <brady_duga> … on implementations
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… on implementations ←
04:24:25 <fantasai> s/Should use other options/Can in the future use 'display: marker' on in-document elements/
04:24:26 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
04:25:21 <brady_duga> SteveZ: CSS should expose things that aren’t in the DOM
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Unknown SteveZ: CSS should expose things that aren’t in the DOM ←
04:25:45 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
04:26:05 <fantasai> SteveZ: Maybe we need extensions to CSSOM to expose this info
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Unknown SteveZ: Maybe we need extensions to CSSOM to expose this info [ Scribe Assist by Unknown fantasai ] ←
04:26:07 <brady_duga> Florian: Do we know why specific implementors aren’t doing it?
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Unknown Florian: Do we know why specific implementors aren’t doing it? ←
04:26:22 <brady_duga> … problems with implementing the spec, or just being passive
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… problems with implementing the spec, or just being passive ←
04:26:51 <brady_duga> fantasai: SteveZ pointed out extensions to CSSOM might help
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Unknown fantasai: SteveZ pointed out extensions to CSSOM might help ←
04:27:08 <brady_duga> … May want to expose more APIs for getting counters, etc
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… May want to expose more APIs for getting counters, etc ←
04:27:47 <brady_duga> SteveZ: There is a CSS meeting on Friday, should raise a11y question then
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Unknown SteveZ: There is a CSS meeting on Friday, should raise a11y question then ←
04:28:06 <fantasai> btw, the fit-to-page feature can be done with flexbox already
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Unknown fantasai: btw, the fit-to-page feature can be done with flexbox already ←
04:28:30 <brady_duga> tzviya: There is an html mapping document for [something]. That is probably what you are thinking about, but off topic
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Tzviya Siegman: There is an html mapping document for [something]. That is probably what you are thinking about, but off topic ←
04:28:45 <tzviya> Core accessibility mappings: http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/
Tzviya Siegman: Core accessibility mappings: http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/ ←
04:29:00 <rossen> s/Should be accessible now/Should be accessible by spec/
04:29:14 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Another topic, having more control over hyphenation
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Dave Cramer: Another topic, having more control over hyphenation ←
04:29:33 <fantasai> figure { max-height: 100vh; max-width: 100vw; display: flex; } img { flex: 1; } or somesuch...
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Unknown fantasai: figure { max-height: 100vh; max-width: 100vw; display: flex; } img { flex: 1; } or somesuch... ←
04:29:52 <brady_duga> … several pieces: various users have standards for what is and isn’t acceptable
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… several pieces: various users have standards for what is and isn’t acceptable ←
04:30:12 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
04:30:19 <brady_duga> … need control over smallest word to hyphenate, how many chars before and after, etc
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… need control over smallest word to hyphenate, how many chars before and after, etc ←
04:30:38 <brady_duga> … Conceptually we know what all these controls are from existing editors
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… Conceptually we know what all these controls are from existing editors ←
04:30:55 <brady_duga> … More interesting are dictionaries, exception lists, etc
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… More interesting are dictionaries, exception lists, etc ←
04:31:27 <rossen> rossen: On the topic of having GC and counters accessible: The accessability tree is currently defined to work on top of the DOM tree. In order to have generated content (including list numbers/counters etc.) impls need to include the computed style tree as well.
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Unknown rossen: On the topic of having GC and counters accessible: The accessability tree is currently defined to work on top of the DOM tree. In order to have generated content (including list numbers/counters etc.) impls need to include the computed style tree as well. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rossen ] ←
04:31:45 <brady_duga> … Trying to figure out some way to have a doc author define an exception dictionary the reader engine could use
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… Trying to figure out some way to have a doc author define an exception dictionary the reader engine could use ←
04:31:51 <tzviya> +1 to rossen
Tzviya Siegman: +1 to rossen ←
04:32:11 <brady_duga> SteveZ: didn’t Hakon (sp?) have a spec for this some time ago?
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Unknown SteveZ: didn’t Håkon have a spec for this some time ago? ←
04:32:36 <brady_duga> … But what it points at (format) and languages, etc is hard to define
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… But what it points at (format) and languages, etc is hard to define ←
04:32:56 <fantasai> Hyphenation for non-English has some compexities...
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Unknown fantasai: Hyphenation for non-English has some compexities... ←
04:33:17 <brady_duga> johanneswilm: As I understand how it works, there is a JS library that adds soft hyphens
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Unknown johanneswilm: As I understand how it works, there is a JS library that adds soft hyphens ←
04:33:46 <brady_duga> … given that, it would be hard to get all browsers to ship dictionaries
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… given that, it would be hard to get all browsers to ship dictionaries ←
04:34:01 <brady_duga> … Given the current system, what do you really want?
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… Given the current system, what do you really want? ←
04:34:23 <brady_duga> dauwhe: The idea of adding the hyphens horrifies me
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Dave Cramer: The idea of adding the hyphens horrifies me ←
04:34:32 <brady_duga> q+
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q+ ←
04:34:55 <brady_duga> tzviya: [showing crappy hyphenation]
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Tzviya Siegman: [showing crappy hyphenation] ←
04:35:15 <brady_duga> johanneswilm: Yeah, but JS could do better job with dictionaries, etc
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Unknown johanneswilm: Yeah, but JS could do better job with dictionaries, etc ←
04:35:33 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Really don’t like adding soft hyphens
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Dave Cramer: Really don’t like adding soft hyphens ←
04:35:45 <brady_duga> rossen: Back to the question, what do need?
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Unknown rossen: Back to the question, what do need? ←
04:36:02 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Control over parameters.
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Dave Cramer: Control over parameters. ←
04:36:27 <ivan> ack brady_duga
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Unknown ivan: ack brady_duga ←
04:36:27 <brady_duga> Florian: Also how many hypephens in a row
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Unknown Florian: Also how many hypephens in a row ←
04:36:42 <leaverou> and maximum whitespace between words please :)
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Unknown leaverou: and maximum whitespace between words please :) ←
04:37:10 <johanneswilm> +q
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Unknown johanneswilm: +q ←
04:37:43 <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/#hyphenation
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Unknown fantasai: http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/#hyphenation ←
04:37:47 <myles> q+
Unknown myles: q+ ←
04:38:54 <LarsG> q+ to ask if we want to turn ebook readers into dtp systems
Unknown LarsG: q+ to ask if we want to turn ebook readers into dtp systems ←
04:38:56 <ivan> ack johanneswilm
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Unknown ivan: ack johanneswilm ←
04:39:22 <fantasai> brady_duga: Browsers just have bad line breaking. Hyphenation gives more breakpoints, but doesn't solve that problem.
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Unknown brady_duga: Browsers just have bad line breaking. Hyphenation gives more breakpoints, but doesn't solve that problem. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown fantasai ] ←
04:39:22 <brady_duga> brady_duga: Rants about hyphenation not being as important as line breaking
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Unknown brady_duga: Rants about hyphenation not being as important as line breaking ←
04:40:19 <fantasai> johanneswilm: Problems with JS-based hyphenation are that it breaks search, and also it is affecting words that aren't even near the end of the line
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Unknown johanneswilm: Problems with JS-based hyphenation are that it breaks search, and also it is affecting words that aren't even near the end of the line [ Scribe Assist by Unknown fantasai ] ←
04:40:59 <dbaron> s/Hakon (sp?)/Håkon/
04:41:23 <brady_duga> rossen: Houdini can address these when we have the view tree
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Unknown rossen: Houdini can address these when we have the view tree ←
04:41:39 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Are you saying this should be at the app level?
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Dave Cramer: Are you saying this should be at the app level? ←
04:41:51 <brady_duga> rossen: Of ourse- isn’t that what you are asking us for?
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Unknown rossen: Of ourse- isn’t that what you are asking us for? ←
04:42:14 <brady_duga> rossen: You need to show us examples of bad hyphenation today
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Unknown rossen: You need to show us examples of bad hyphenation today ←
04:42:33 <brady_duga> tzviya: No problem!
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Tzviya Siegman: No problem! ←
04:43:03 <brady_duga> rossen: We need specific examples so we know where the current spec has problems, then give requirements
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Unknown rossen: We need specific examples so we know where the current spec has problems, then give requirements ←
04:43:08 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
04:43:17 <brady_duga> … what would better hyphenation look like?
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… what would better hyphenation look like? ←
04:44:08 <brady_duga> ???: Lots of problems with line breaking, for instance balancing lines
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Unknown leaverou: Lots of problems with line breaking, for instance balancing lines ←
04:44:12 <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/#text-wrap
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Unknown fantasai: http://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/#text-wrap ←
04:44:14 <ivan> ack myles
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Unknown ivan: ack myles ←
04:44:17 <fantasai> s/???/leaverou/
04:44:20 <leaverou> s/???:/leaverou/
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Unknown leaverou: s/???:/leaverou/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
04:44:26 <ivan> q?
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Unknown ivan: q? ←
04:44:54 <brady_duga> miles: Performance issues with line breaking
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Unknown miles: Performance issues with line breaking ←
04:45:04 <johanneswilm> +q
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Unknown johanneswilm: +q ←
04:45:25 <iank> q+
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Unknown iank: q+ ←
04:45:27 <brady_duga> … letting JS reflow is really slow
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… letting JS reflow is really slow ←
04:45:44 <ivan> ack LarsG
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Unknown ivan: ack LarsG ←
04:45:44 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to ask if we want to turn ebook readers into dtp systems
Zakim IRC Bot: LarsG, you wanted to ask if we want to turn ebook readers into dtp systems ←
04:46:32 <r12a> q+
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Unknown r12a: q+ ←
04:46:37 <brady_duga> LarsG: What are you trying to achieve? Full better line breaking?
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Unknown LarsG: What are you trying to achieve? Full better line breaking? ←
04:46:39 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Yes
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Dave Cramer: Yes ←
04:46:49 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
04:46:57 <brady_duga> … we want to take that master typographer and embed it in the layout
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… we want to take that master typographer and embed it in the layout ←
04:47:16 <brady_duga> Florian: Concur with Brady, this is a line breaking problem, not hyphenation
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Unknown Florian: Concur with Brady, this is a line breaking problem, not hyphenation ←
04:47:24 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
04:47:36 <r12a> q-
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Unknown r12a: q- ←
04:48:42 <ivan> ack johanneswilm
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Unknown ivan: ack johanneswilm ←
04:48:44 <tzviya> ack j
Tzviya Siegman: ack j ←
04:48:48 <brady_duga> brady_duga: Says maybe performance is not that big a deal
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Unknown brady_duga: Says maybe performance is not that big a deal ←
04:48:51 <Florian> q-
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Unknown Florian: q- ←
04:49:10 <brady_duga> johanneswilm: It’s a priortiy thing. Look good or be fast?
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Unknown johanneswilm: It’s a priortiy thing. Look good or be fast? ←
04:49:28 <leaverou> FWIW, there are O(n) implementations of Knuth-Plass via SMAWK, but I'm not very knowledgeable on the details
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Unknown leaverou: FWIW, there are O(n) implementations of Knuth-Plass via SMAWK, but I'm not very knowledgeable on the details ←
04:49:36 <brady_duga> … would still be good to get these primitives in houdini
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… would still be good to get these primitives in houdini ←
04:49:48 <fantasai> leaverou: is a good point. IIRC part of the problem was floats
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Unknown leaverou: is a good point. IIRC part of the problem was floats [ Scribe Assist by Unknown fantasai ] ←
04:49:52 <tzviya> ack ian
Tzviya Siegman: ack ian ←
04:49:56 <fantasai> leaverou: but for non-impacted lines...
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Unknown leaverou: but for non-impacted lines... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown fantasai ] ←
04:50:00 <brady_duga> … being able to measure, etc in JS
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… being able to measure, etc in JS ←
04:50:15 <brady_duga> … would make it possible to break lines and not be too slow
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… would make it possible to break lines and not be too slow ←
04:50:28 <leaverou> fantasai: also, in print performance matters much less than the result. Perhaps it could be opt-in?
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Unknown fantasai: also, in print performance matters much less than the result. Perhaps it could be opt-in? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown leaverou ] ←
04:51:06 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Next topic. Keeping captions on the same page
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Dave Cramer: Next topic. Keeping captions on the same page ←
04:51:14 <brady_duga> … as the image.
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… as the image. ←
04:51:38 <brady_duga> … Mentioned it to fantasai and she said maybe flex box would help
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… Mentioned it to fantasai and she said maybe flex box would help ←
04:51:48 <brady_duga> fantasai: What do you want to do?
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Unknown fantasai: What do you want to do? ←
04:51:55 <ChrisL> caption {break-before: avoid-page }
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Unknown ChrisL: caption {break-before: avoid-page } ←
04:52:29 <brady_duga> dauwhe: One example, want to keep the caption on the page, then scale the image to fit
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Dave Cramer: One example, want to keep the caption on the page, then scale the image to fit ←
04:53:36 <brady_duga> fantasai: Let’s say the image should fill the page, and be at least 50% of the size of the page, but in a figure, make it 100vh, display: flex,
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Unknown fantasai: Let’s say the image should fill the page, and be at least 50% of the size of the page, but in a figure, make it 100vh, display: flex, ←
04:53:53 <Bobby> Btw, we’re transllating Japanese EPUB reader check items here: https://docs.google.com/a/wanderer.tw/spreadsheets/d/1Mg7V9HCecKVRlbb4QcV6_8npNFQcxeHfOVQ16H-IdvM/pubhtml
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Unknown Bobby: Btw, we’re transllating Japanese EPUB reader check items here: https://docs.google.com/a/wanderer.tw/spreadsheets/d/1Mg7V9HCecKVRlbb4QcV6_8npNFQcxeHfOVQ16H-IdvM/pubhtml ←
04:54:17 <brady_duga> … a few other things with flex.
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… a few other things with flex. ←
04:54:30 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Aspect ratio is preserved?
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Dave Cramer: Aspect ratio is preserved? ←
04:54:49 <brady_duga> fantasai: Yes, maybe need to do some stuff with max vh
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Unknown fantasai: Yes, maybe need to do some stuff with max vh ←
04:55:07 <brady_duga> tzviya: When printed, there are problems
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Tzviya Siegman: When printed, there are problems ←
04:55:25 <brady_duga> … might be the engine in question
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… might be the engine in question ←
04:55:37 <brady_duga> rossen: complain to the implementor!
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Unknown rossen: complain to the implementor! ←
04:56:04 <fantasai> figure { display: flex; flex-flow: column; height: 100vh; }
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Unknown fantasai: figure { display: flex; flex-flow: column; height: 100vh; } ←
04:56:21 <fantasai> img { flex: 1; }
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Unknown fantasai: img { flex: 1; } ←
04:57:54 <brady_duga> ???: don’t want half a blank page, though. May want to make the img a float if it doesn’t fit
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Unknown dino: don’t want half a blank page, though. May want to make the img a float if it doesn’t fit ←
04:58:11 <ChrisL> s/???/dino/
04:58:35 <brady_duga> tzviya: 2 minutes for next steps
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Tzviya Siegman: 2 minutes for next steps ←
04:58:48 <brady_duga> dauwhe: And more generally feedback from CSS and how can we help
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Dave Cramer: And more generally feedback from CSS and how can we help ←
04:59:20 <brady_duga> ivan: we should provide samples and their correct rendering
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Unknown ivan: we should provide samples and their correct rendering ←
04:59:35 <brady_duga> … that’s where we should take the requirement document
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… that’s where we should take the requirement document ←
05:00:20 <brady_duga> ivan: Anything else where we can be helpful?
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Unknown ivan: Anything else where we can be helpful? ←
05:00:36 <brady_duga> tzviya: We may ask for some of you to join the calls from time to time
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Tzviya Siegman: We may ask for some of you to join the calls from time to time ←
05:00:52 <brady_duga> … having direct communication is very helpful
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… having direct communication is very helpful ←
05:01:04 <brady_duga> ted: The time of your call sucks
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Unknown ted: The time of your call sucks ←
05:01:18 <brady_duga> … how about rotating schedule?
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… how about rotating schedule? ←
05:01:39 <brady_duga> tzviya: We may have occasional calls at better times
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Tzviya Siegman: We may have occasional calls at better times ←
05:02:31 <brady_duga> … we understand that the time is problematic
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… we understand that the time is problematic ←
05:02:48 <fantasai> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Cstyle%3E%0A%20%20html%2C%20body%20{%20margin%3A%200%3B%20padding%3A%200%3B%20}%0A%20%20figure%20{%20display%3A%20flex%3B%20flex-flow%3A%20column%3B%20height%3A%20100vh%3B%20margin%3A%200%3B%20}%0A%20%20img%20{%20flex%3A%201%3B%20background%3A%20orange%3B%20min-height%3A%200%3B%20}%0A%20%20figcaption%20{%20background%3A%20lightblue%3B%20}%0A%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0A%0A%3Cfigure%3E%0A[CUT]
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Unknown fantasai: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Cstyle%3E%0A%20%20html%2C%20body%20{%20margin%3A%200%3B%20padding%3A%200%3B%20}%0A%20%20figure%20{%20display%3A%20flex%3B%20flex-flow%3A%20column%3B%20height%3A%20100vh%3B%20margin%3A%200%3B%20}%0A%20%20img%20{%20flex%3A%201%3B%20background%3A%20orange%3B%20min-height%3A%200%3B%20}%0A%20%20figcaption%20{%20background%3A%20lightblue%3B%20}%0A%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0A%0A%3Cfigure%3E%0A[CUT] ←
05:02:50 <glazou> dauwhe: let's do an IG and a CG first
Dave Cramer: let's do an IG and a CG first [ Scribe Assist by Unknown glazou ] ←
05:02:53 <brady_duga> Florian: Later is terrible for Japan
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Unknown Florian: Later is terrible for Japan ←
05:03:02 <fantasai> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3711
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Unknown fantasai: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3711 ←
05:03:52 <brady_duga> dauwhe: Simpler solution is cancel the calls and rotate weekly face to faces. [ed note: This may be a joke]
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Dave Cramer: Simpler solution is cancel the calls and rotate weekly face to faces. [ed note: This may be a joke] ←
05:04:46 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
05:04:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
05:04:47 <brady_duga> david: there are a lot of new problems reported on char alignment
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Unknown david: there are a lot of new problems reported on char alignment ←
05:05:31 <dbaron> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment now has some issues added
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Unknown dbaron: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-4/#character-alignment now has some issues added ←
05:05:33 <dbaron> fantasai, ^
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Unknown dbaron: fantasai, ^ ←
05:05:52 <ivan> Topic: Publication Object Model
05:18:19 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
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05:19:04 <ChrisL> glazou: describing an idea from implementing epub; framework to to do resources in package, manipulate metadata
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Unknown glazou: describing an idea from implementing epub; framework to to do resources in package, manipulate metadata ←
05:19:20 <ChrisL> ... there was no framework available, did not want a java package either
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... there was no framework available, did not want a java package either ←
05:19:50 <tzviya> slides are available at http://disruptive-innovations.com/zoo/slides/201510-TPAC/POM.pdf
Tzviya Siegman: slides are available at http://disruptive-innovations.com/zoo/slides/201510-TPAC/POM.pdf ←
05:19:51 <ChrisL> ... so I think we should do something to enable anyone to write a reader, editor, filter, on the web today
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... so I think we should do something to enable anyone to write a reader, editor, filter, on the web today ←
05:20:10 <ChrisL> glazou: pom publications object model
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Unknown glazou: pom publications object model ←
05:20:20 <ChrisL> .... abstraction layer to hide the details
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.... abstraction layer to hide the details ←
05:20:48 <ChrisL> ... reaching individual resources, each has its own dom,
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... reaching individual resources, each has its own dom, ←
05:21:05 <ChrisL> ... adding or modifying metadata is comples. Needs to be hidden from the user
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... adding or modifying metadata is comples. Needs to be hidden from the user ←
05:21:24 <ChrisL> ... publucations in name, not epub, so it is publications agnostic
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... publucations in name, not epub, so it is publications agnostic ←
05:22:03 <ChrisL> glazou: 2 or 3 layer architecture, register a format assocuiiated to interfaces, which know the deep stuff to do. you call the upper layer which is the abstraction
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Unknown glazou: 2 or 3 layer architecture, register a format assocuiiated to interfaces, which know the deep stuff to do. you call the upper layer which is the abstraction ←
05:22:34 <ChrisL> ... publication manager interface, then can reach the individual resources with specific interfaces as needed
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... publication manager interface, then can reach the individual resources with specific interfaces as needed ←
05:23:06 <ChrisL> ... eg an action that is PDF specific, that is on the lower levels only. everything common to all publications is on the higher level only
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... eg an action that is PDF specific, that is on the lower levels only. everything common to all publications is on the higher level only ←
05:23:24 <ChrisL> ... manager registers the formats allowed. new formats registered, like aplugin
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... manager registers the formats allowed. new formats registered, like aplugin ←
05:23:39 <ChrisL> ... add a name and a classs and it is done
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... add a name and a classs and it is done ←
05:23:57 <ChrisL> ... no save, but can load and manipulate
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... no save, but can load and manipulate ←
05:24:24 <ChrisL> ... publication implements all the common stuff, save, manipulate everything inside the resources and the metadata
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... publication implements all the common stuff, save, manipulate everything inside the resources and the metadata ←
05:24:44 <ChrisL> ... mostly when you don't need extra methods, it she regular DOM objects
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... mostly when you don't need extra methods, it she regular DOM objects ←
05:24:56 <ChrisL> ... but you can add extra methods as needed
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... but you can add extra methods as needed ←
05:25:27 <ChrisL> glazou: resources allow you to get every file, can be a part of a file or a set of files, in the package. including binary or text. no assumptions here
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Unknown glazou: resources allow you to get every file, can be a part of a file or a set of files, in the package. including binary or text. no assumptions here ←
05:25:46 <ChrisL> ... what we reach from above should be reachable as a publication resource
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... what we reach from above should be reachable as a publication resource ←
05:26:04 <ChrisL> (glazou projects a code sample)
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(glazou projects a code sample) ←
05:26:54 <ChrisL> glazou: appending metadata, as if it was a regular DOM. set resource type, and save
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Unknown glazou: appending metadata, as if it was a regular DOM. set resource type, and save ←
05:27:28 <ChrisL> ... easy to manipulate a document. Normally the code is 15x as large as what I showed here which makes it hard to author and maintain
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... easy to manipulate a document. Normally the code is 15x as large as what I showed here which makes it hard to author and maintain ←
05:27:36 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
05:28:27 <ChrisL> glazou: needs a POM spec, EPUB3 plugin as a Publication spec, lastly an Ooen Source framework that mplements it, in C++ and again in JavaScript. Common source for both
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Unknown glazou: needs a POM spec, EPUB3 plugin as a Publication spec, lastly an Ooen Source framework that mplements it, in C++ and again in JavaScript. Common source for both ←
05:28:37 <ChrisL> ... maybe in Swift
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... maybe in Swift ←
05:29:00 <ChrisL> ... but a single source transpiled. Then we have easy maniplation
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... but a single source transpiled. Then we have easy maniplation ←
05:29:08 <ChrisL> q?
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q? ←
05:29:11 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
05:29:19 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
05:29:48 <ChrisL> Florian: makes a lot of sense, curious about the last part on implementation. who implements this?
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Unknown Florian: makes a lot of sense, curious about the last part on implementation. who implements this? ←
05:30:01 <ChrisL> glazou: yes I will write an implementations
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Unknown glazou: yes I will write an implementations ←
05:30:19 <ChrisL> Florian: but what class of people should implement at this level
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Unknown Florian: but what class of people should implement at this level ←
05:30:22 <brady_duga> q+
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Unknown brady_duga: q+ ←
05:30:31 <ChrisL> ivan: I prefer it in Python
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Unknown ivan: I prefer it in Python ←
05:30:45 <ChrisL> Florian: not the users of it, but the implementors of it
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Unknown Florian: not the users of it, but the implementors of it ←
05:30:59 <ChrisL> ivan: building on top of this would be good
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Unknown ivan: building on top of this would be good ←
05:31:39 <ChrisL> tzviya: could even go beyond publications
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Tzviya Siegman: could even go beyond publications ←
05:31:50 <ChrisL> ... branch with special requirements
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... branch with special requirements ←
05:31:59 <ChrisL> Florian: so it is not for browsers only
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Unknown Florian: so it is not for browsers only ←
05:32:29 <ChrisL> glazou: why not a WG on this topic, then you have members who implement it
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Unknown glazou: why not a WG on this topic, then you have members who implement it ←
05:32:44 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
05:33:02 <ChrisL> ivan: browsers would not do this at first , but we could have non-browser imple,entations
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Unknown ivan: browsers would not do this at first , but we could have non-browser imple,entations ←
05:33:08 <tzviya> ack brady
Tzviya Siegman: ack brady ←
05:33:15 <ChrisL> glazou: as a javascript framework
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Unknown glazou: as a javascript framework ←
05:33:20 <Jeff_Xu> q+
05:33:32 <ChrisL> brady_duga: sounds very reasonable, question the need for a spec though
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Unknown brady_duga: sounds very reasonable, question the need for a spec though ←
05:33:54 <ChrisL> ... is it just a library, do we expect multiple implementations?
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... is it just a library, do we expect multiple implementations? ←
05:33:57 <ChrisL> glazou: yes, i do
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Unknown glazou: yes, i do ←
05:34:13 <tzviya> ack dauwhe
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05:34:18 <myles> dauwhe: don't worry i got this (re: swift implementation)
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05:34:43 <ChrisL> dauwhe: is this for authoring & editing tools, or something for a browser to use to display/
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Dave Cramer: is this for authoring & editing tools, or something for a browser to use to display/ ←
05:34:56 <clapierre> q+
Charles LaPierre: q+ ←
05:34:58 <ChrisL> glazou: multipurpose. can do converson filtering for example
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Unknown glazou: multipurpose. can do converson filtering for example ←
05:35:42 <tzviya> ack jeff
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05:35:43 <ChrisL> ... could do a validator
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... could do a validator ←
05:36:06 <ChrisL> Jeff_Xu: is it like a CMS? For users if we want to export a website as an epub file?
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Jeff Xu: is it like a CMS? For users if we want to export a website as an epub file? ←
05:36:11 <tzviya> ack cl
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05:36:12 <ChrisL> glazou: yes, agreed
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Unknown glazou: yes, agreed ←
05:36:37 <ChrisL> clapierre: have you discussed with the publishers?
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Charles LaPierre: have you discussed with the Readium? ←
05:37:07 <tzviya> s/publishers/Readium
05:37:54 <ChrisL> glazou: yes, I have
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Unknown glazou: yes, I have ←
05:38:36 <tzviya> q?
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05:38:48 <ivan> q+
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Unknown ivan: q+ ←
05:39:01 <tzviya> ack iv
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05:39:08 <ChrisL> glazou: in BG epub it was a burden not having this, and its the only native epub editor. Making it simpler makes it easier to make more tools
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Unknown glazou: in BG epub it was a burden not having this, and its the only native epub editor. Making it simpler makes it easier to make more tools ←
05:39:47 <tzviya> q+
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05:39:55 <Bobby> sorry for previlege setting error: Japanese EPUB check items translated version here again: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s60yFQ6V1vqNDCErOQW-VRcwUIL5wnIhAiOmMayJe64/pubhtml
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Unknown Bobby: sorry for previlege setting error: Japanese EPUB check items translated version here again: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s60yFQ6V1vqNDCErOQW-VRcwUIL5wnIhAiOmMayJe64/pubhtml ←
05:40:20 <ChrisL> ivan: for my project it would have been great to have this. practical issue is 3.1 is coming, expect to see in analysis of 3.1 what asre the features which are generally important and wat are epub specific or historical
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Unknown ivan: for my project it would have been great to have this. practical issue is 3.1 is coming, expect to see in analysis of 3.1 what asre the features which are generally important and wat are epub specific or historical ←
05:40:45 <ChrisL> ... so the details of what is publication agnostic and what is epub specific needs to evolve and be re-examines over time
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... so the details of what is publication agnostic and what is epub specific needs to evolve and be re-examines over time ←
05:40:58 <ChrisL> ... formulate in more generic terms
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... formulate in more generic terms ←
05:41:07 <ChrisL> q?
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q? ←
05:41:29 <ChrisL> glazou: need to know 3 or 4 types of publications to abstract out the generic parts
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Unknown glazou: need to know 3 or 4 types of publications to abstract out the generic parts ←
05:42:00 <ChrisL> ... finding what is common across all formats is hard
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... finding what is common across all formats is hard ←
05:42:07 <tzviya> ack tzv
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05:42:15 <ChrisL> ... this is why I am presenting it
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... this is why I am presenting it ←
05:42:33 <ChrisL> tzviya: what are the next steps? do you need more details of workflow and formats?
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Tzviya Siegman: what are the next steps? do you need more details of workflow and formats? ←
05:43:10 <ChrisL> glazou: yes, and what is the basic missing info inside, where can i read about it. mutiple documents and pages, how they all link together. need to compare multiple formats
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Unknown glazou: yes, and what is the basic missing info inside, where can i read about it. mutiple documents and pages, how they all link together. need to compare multiple formats ←
05:43:33 <ChrisL> ivan: mayne some format is not in scope as too different and not worth the trouble
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Unknown ivan: mayne some format is not in scope as too different and not worth the trouble ←
05:43:47 <ChrisL> tzviya: we can give you more info. then what do we do
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Tzviya Siegman: we can give you more info. then what do we do ←
05:43:55 <ChrisL> ... can i wite the spec with you?
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... can i wite the spec with you? ←
05:44:11 <ChrisL> glazou: it is IDL and code mostly. but review would be very helpful
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Unknown glazou: it is IDL and code mostly. but review would be very helpful ←
05:44:34 <ChrisL> ivan: this group can publish text docs but only as notes
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Unknown ivan: this group can publish text docs but only as notes ←
05:44:56 <ChrisL> glazou: what about a member submission?
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Unknown glazou: what about a member submission? ←
05:45:30 <ChrisL> ChrisL: or make a CG to do initial spec work
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Unknown ChrisL: or make a CG to do initial spec work ←
05:45:46 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
05:45:55 <ChrisL> glazou: is anyone else interested, helping design interfaces and code?
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Unknown glazou: is anyone else interested, helping design interfaces and code? ←
05:46:27 <ChrisL> tzviya: we may have some people to contribute code, but they did not make it to japan
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Tzviya Siegman: we may have some people to contribute code, but they did not make it to japan ←
05:46:44 <ChrisL> Florian: vivliostyle would be a user , review rather than contribute
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Unknown Florian: vivliostyle would be a user , review rather than contribute ←
05:46:59 <ChrisL> ... the JS part specifically, maybe C++, not Python
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... the JS part specifically, maybe C++, not Python ←
05:48:06 <ChrisL> glazou: could be differences in zipper tools, file access. the rest is all DOM manipulation
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Unknown glazou: could be differences in zipper tools, file access. the rest is all DOM manipulation ←
05:48:25 <tzviya> http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/image/132071294012
Tzviya Siegman: http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/image/132071294012 ←
05:48:28 <ChrisL> glazou: will make a CG, once it is created please help
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Unknown glazou: will make a CG, once it is created please help ←
05:49:00 <ChrisL> ???/if the CG is broader then I would be interested, had planned to make a CG but from a different angle
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???/if the CG is broader then I would be interested, had planned to make a CG but from a different angle ←
05:49:41 <ChrisL> ???: seems to treat a document with an API, to me that is less than the RDF to get access to it, independent of program language. query an RDF store
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Unknown Sarven: seems to treat a document with an API, to me that is less than the RDF to get access to it, independent of program language. query an RDF store ←
05:49:52 <tzviya> s/???/Sarven
05:50:05 <jeff_xu> Not looks very difficult. I can help implementation, C++, javascript, or anything else if want.
Jeff Xu: Not looks very difficult. I can help implementation, C++, javascript, or anything else if want. ←
05:50:20 <ChrisL> glazou: there are some soecifics to the press, metsadata for example, not always the case in other formats. Not sure it fits well with an RDF store
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Unknown glazou: there are some soecifics to the press, metsadata for example, not always the case in other formats. Not sure it fits well with an RDF store ←
05:51:00 <LarsG> q+ to talk about single- vs multidocument publications
Unknown LarsG: q+ to talk about single- vs multidocument publications ←
05:51:11 <ChrisL> ivan: when you get inthe guts of the package, the DOM is well defined. Then it is a traditional DOM manager. RDFa is defined on the DOM, give it to an RDFa extractor but that is not needed here
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Unknown ivan: when you get inthe guts of the package, the DOM is well defined. Then it is a traditional DOM manager. RDFa is defined on the DOM, give it to an RDFa extractor but that is not needed here ←
05:51:30 <ChrisL> tzviya: assuming you were writing to JAX(??)
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Tzviya Siegman: assuming you were writing to JATS ←
05:51:30 <dauwhe> q?
Dave Cramer: q? ←
05:51:48 <ChrisL> tzviya: once we have the container, no reason not to add the RDFa
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Tzviya Siegman: once we have the container, no reason not to add the RDFa ←
05:52:01 <ChrisL> glazou: could be extended to annotations etc over time.
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Unknown glazou: could be extended to annotations etc over time. ←
05:52:01 <tzviya> ack Lars
Tzviya Siegman: ack Lars ←
05:52:01 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to talk about single- vs multidocument publications
Zakim IRC Bot: LarsG, you wanted to talk about single- vs multidocument publications ←
05:52:10 <ChrisL> tzviya: not just publications, any container
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Tzviya Siegman: not just publications, any container ←
05:52:38 <ChrisL> LarsG: mismatch between a monolithic document with RDFa and a container API
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Unknown LarsG: mismatch between a monolithic document with RDFa and a container API ←
05:53:00 <ChrisL> Sarven: so needs an HTML export of the source format?
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Unknown Sarven: so needs an HTML export of the source format? ←
05:53:33 <ChrisL> glazou: resource could be a zip, or an html document, a PNG image, anything
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Unknown glazou: resource could be a zip, or an html document, a PNG image, anything ←
05:53:55 <ivan> s/JAX(??)/JATS/
05:54:21 <ChrisL> glazou: an email with text and images could be seen as a publication in this context
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Unknown glazou: an email with text and images could be seen as a publication in this context ←
05:54:39 <ChrisL> Sarven: I am covering this
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Unknown Sarven: I am covering this ←
05:55:02 <ChrisL> action glazou to create a POM CG
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action glazou to create a POM CG ←
05:55:02 <trackbot> Error finding 'glazou'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'glazou'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>. ←
05:55:24 <ChrisL> ivan: hard to manage the abstraction level
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Unknown ivan: hard to manage the abstraction level ←
05:55:43 <skk> q+
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Unknown skk: q+ ←
05:55:52 <ChrisL> glazou: needs t work for epub at least, for other formats it needs help
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Unknown glazou: needs t work for epub at least, for other formats it needs help ←
05:56:15 <ChrisL> tzviya: and we owe you some info about workflow and formats
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Tzviya Siegman: and we owe you some info about workflow and formats ←
05:56:17 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
05:56:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
05:56:27 <tzviya> ack skk
Tzviya Siegman: ack skk ←
05:56:32 <dauwhe> fantasai: object-fit: contain on the img really helps with the flex example
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Unknown fantasai: object-fit: contain on the img really helps with the flex example [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
05:56:46 <ChrisL> skk: we also have an epub3 viewer and made some abstraction layer so we would like to contribute
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Unknown skk: we also have an epub3 viewer and made some abstraction layer so we would like to contribute ←
05:56:57 <ChrisL> ... javascript and C++
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... C++ ←
05:56:59 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
05:56:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
05:57:05 <ChrisL> glazou: wonderful
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Unknown glazou: wonderful ←
05:57:12 <ChrisL> (break, 15min)
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(break, 45min) ←
05:57:19 <ivan> Topic: Service Workers
05:57:26 <ChrisL> s/15/45/
05:58:58 <ChrisL> s/javascript and//
06:42:12 <tzviya> POM CG: https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#pom
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Tzviya Siegman: POM CG: https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#pom ←
06:57:42 <liam> scribe: liam
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06:57:46 <liam> scribenick: liam
06:58:00 <glazou> community group supported by more than 5 (required) in less than 30 minutes ; achievement unlocked
Unknown glazou: community group supported by more than 5 (required) in less than 30 minutes ; achievement unlocked ←
06:58:33 <liam> [people introduce one another]
[people introduce one another] ←
06:59:06 <liam> Topic: Service Workers
06:59:26 <liam> Ivan: does what we wrote make sense?
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Unknown Ivan: does what we wrote make sense? ←
06:59:39 <liam> xx: yes, makes sense, uses common patterns, offline first
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Unknown xx: yes, makes sense, uses common patterns, offline first ←
06:59:47 <liam> tzviya: OK, then we're done ;-)
Tzviya Siegman: OK, then we're done ;-) ←
06:59:53 <tzviya> s/XX/Jake
Tzviya Siegman: s/XX/Jake (warning: replacement failed) ←
07:00:10 <liam> Jake: but service workers need an https protocol, not local file
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Unknown Jake: but service workers need an https protocol, not local file ←
07:00:29 <liam> ... or if it's localhost you can have http instead of https.
... or if it's localhost you can have http instead of https. ←
07:00:33 <tzviya> present+ Daniel_Weck
Tzviya Siegman: present+ Daniel_Weck ←
07:00:41 <liam> present+ Liam_Quin
present+ Liam_Quin ←
07:00:59 <liam> ivan: I think our model is that it is the local file system, e.g. I downloaded a book
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Unknown ivan: I think our model is that it is the local file system, e.g. I downloaded a book ←
07:01:22 <liam> ... Now, what does that mean exactly? If I mounted some remote filesystem then it's still local I guess?
... Now, what does that mean exactly? If I mounted some remote filesystem then it's still local I guess? ←
07:01:25 <liam> Jake: right.
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Unknown Jake: right. ←
07:01:33 <jeff_xu> q+
07:01:42 <liam> The only thing tht'd make a difference'd be if it was running a local http server
The only thing tht'd make a difference'd be if it was running a local http server ←
07:01:56 <liam> Ivan: ah, so you can't use file: protocol.
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Unknown Ivan: ah, so you can't use file: protocol. ←
07:02:09 <brady_duga> q+
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Unknown brady_duga: q+ ←
07:02:21 <liam> Jake: the spec is hand-wavey, yuo send a request and get a response but file system doesn't fit that
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Unknown Jake: the spec is hand-wavey, yuo send a request and get a response but file system doesn't fit that ←
07:02:22 <tzviya> we are referring to the http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/#arch section of PWP
Tzviya Siegman: we are referring to the http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/#arch section of PWP ←
07:02:44 <Florian> q+
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Unknown Florian: q+ ←
07:02:50 <liam> Daniel: I'm wondering what you people mean by local file system. E.g. we make use of HTML 5 file system
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Unknown Daniel: I'm wondering what you people mean by local file system. E.g. we make use of HTML 5 file system ←
07:03:06 <liam> and I think only supported fully by Chrome, but means we can unpack an epub in the local "file system"
and I think only supported fully by Chrome, but means we can unpack an epub in the local "file system" ←
07:03:22 <liam> We can load content into iframes transparently
We can load content into iframes transparently ←
07:03:40 <liam> ... so that's what we used to cache out exploded [zip files],
... so that's what we used to cache out exploded [zip files], ←
07:03:51 <liam> ... But there's also a built-in cache api to service workers.
... But there's also a built-in cache api to service workers. ←
07:04:19 <liam> Jake: the file system stuff doesn't seem to be going anywhere, whereas this cache is in chrome & [firefox nightly?]
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Unknown Jake: the file system stuff doesn't seem to be going anywhere, whereas this cache is in chrome & [firefox nightly?] ←
07:04:50 <liam> ... Even from a window you can get into a cache and then you can get a "blob" and get a URL for it.
... Even from a window you can get into a cache and then you can get a "blob" and get a URL for it. ←
07:05:03 <brady_duga> q-
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Unknown brady_duga: q- ←
07:05:17 <liam> Ivan: Because I'm not sure of all the detail, Daniel, could you write this and put it as an issue on github?
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Unknown Ivan: Because I'm not sure of all the detail, Daniel, could you write this and put it as an issue on github? ←
07:05:24 <liam> Daniel: OK
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Unknown Daniel: OK ←
07:06:12 <liam> Daniel: with blob URIs you have to know all the assets but this breaks streaming; in Readium we have to preprocess the full DOM tree and feed it to the iframe
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Unknown Daniel: with blob URIs you have to know all the assets but this breaks streaming; in Readium we have to preprocess the full DOM tree and feed it to the iframe ←
07:06:39 <liam> ... You either do the local [html] file system or the service worker + cache, but blob URI doesn't really meet our needs.
... You either do the local [html] file system or the service worker + cache, but blob URI doesn't really meet our needs. ←
07:06:47 <tzviya> ack jeff
Tzviya Siegman: ack jeff ←
07:07:19 <liam> Jeff; Before we pushed the cache,
Jeff; Before we pushed the cache, ←
07:07:32 <liam> Jake: you can't use XHR within a service worker
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Unknown Jake: you can't use XHR within a service worker ←
07:07:52 <liam> it's turned off because of efficiency and because yuo can use it synchronously
it's turned off because of efficiency and because yuo can use it synchronously ←
07:07:58 <liam> but there are other methods
but there are other methods ←
07:08:01 <DanielWeck> q
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Unknown DanielWeck: q ←
07:08:02 <DanielWeck> qw+
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Unknown DanielWeck: qw+ ←
07:08:04 <DanielWeck> q+
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Unknown DanielWeck: q+ ←
07:08:07 <tzviya> ACTION DanielWeck to file GitHub issue about local "file system" and cache
Tzviya Siegman: ACTION DanielWeck to file GitHub issue about local "file system" and cache ←
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Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'DanielWeck'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>. ←
07:08:18 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
07:08:43 <liam> ... If yuo want to process a zip, e.g. yuo ahve a JS implementation of unzip code yuo can do that;
... If yuo want to process a zip, e.g. yuo ahve a JS implementation of unzip code yuo can do that; ←
07:09:03 <liam> ... we're introducing streams so you could do that in a streaming way, pull things out of the zip & put them in the chache.
... we're introducing streams so you could do that in a streaming way, pull things out of the zip & put them in the cache. ←
07:09:08 <liam> ... that's not implemented in chrome yet - we're hoping for Q1.
... that's not implemented in chrome yet - we're hoping for Q1. ←
07:09:14 <liam> s/chache/cache/
07:09:31 <ivan> rrsagent, pointer?
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, pointer? ←
07:09:31 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-irc#T07-09-31
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-irc#T07-09-31 ←
07:09:40 <tzviya> ack fl
Tzviya Siegman: ack fl ←
07:09:47 <liam> [question also about HTTP Range requests - yes, you'll get a range response back, if it's supported by the server]
[question also about HTTP Range requests - yes, you'll get a range response back, if it's supported by the server] ←
07:10:15 <liam> Florian: you say service workers don't work on the file protocol; is it architectural or just underspecified?
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Unknown Florian: you say service workers don't work on the file protocol; is it architectural or just underspecified? ←
07:11:06 <liam> Jake: the service worker always has to exist on an independent URL, so should be possible on the file system, but I think the main problem is defining what a request object would look like
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Unknown Jake: the service worker always has to exist on an independent URL, so should be possible on the file system, but I think the main problem is defining what a request object would look like ←
07:11:24 <liam> ... There may also be security concerns.
... There may also be security concerns. ←
07:11:51 <liam> Florian: so this hasn't been fully explored
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Unknown Florian: so this hasn't been fully explored ←
07:11:58 <liam> Jake: yes.
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Unknown Jake: yes. ←
07:11:59 <tzviya> ack Dan
Tzviya Siegman: ack Dan ←
07:12:27 <liam> DanielWeck: Going back to file URI protocol, agree, file: isn't really designed for the web, so for readium we launch a local web server
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Unknown DanielWeck: Going back to file URI protocol, agree, file: isn't really designed for the web, so for readium we launch a local web server ←
07:12:49 <liam> We also have native apps that launch their own internal http server within the app itself to feed the content to the app.
We also have native apps that launch their own internal http server within the app itself to feed the content to the app. ←
07:13:21 <jeff_xu> q+
07:13:26 <liam> There isn't a security https requirement when the URI is bound to the local IP address but it has a same domain policy & has to be https when remote.
There isn't a security https requirement when the URI is bound to the local IP address but it has a same domain policy & has to be https when remote. ←
07:13:49 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
07:14:26 <liam> Jake: the same origin policy - a SW must be on the same page as the app, but the SW gets to intercept all the subresource requests on that page and you can catch those
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Unknown Jake: the same origin policy - a SW must be on the same page as the app, but the SW gets to intercept all the subresource requests on that page and you can catch those ←
07:15:00 <liam> So if you're fetching content from another server - images, scripts, XHR - then your SW will intercept that. An iframe is different, not a sub-resource.
So if you're fetching content from another server - images, scripts, XHR - then your SW will intercept that. An iframe is different, not a sub-resource. ←
07:15:58 <liam> DanielWeck: once code runs in the context of a SW, XHR is not available, but when you use a library that uses XHR under the hood we had to "polyfull" XHR using the request API!
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Unknown DanielWeck: once code runs in the context of a SW, XHR is not available, but when you use a library that uses XHR under the hood we had to polyfill XHR using the request API! ←
07:16:17 <tzviya> s/"polyfull"/polyfill
07:16:24 <liam> Jake: may be politics in disabling XHR in SW; it's possible we could bring it back & just ban the synchronous element of it.
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Unknown Jake: may be politics in disabling XHR in SW; it's possible we could bring it back & just ban the synchronous element of it. ←
07:16:33 <liam> Ted: also have to ban the DOM access.
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Unknown Ted: also have to ban the DOM access. ←
07:16:34 <tzviya> ack Jeff
Tzviya Siegman: ack Jeff ←
07:16:36 <liam> Jake: yes.
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Unknown Jake: yes. ←
07:17:16 <liam> Jeff: can we ask a SW to clear cache becaus resource already loaded
Jeff Xu: can we ask a SW to clear cache becaus resource already loaded ←
07:17:55 <liam> Jake: the cache api, you can delete stuff. the http cache, with the fetch api, you can specify how it should interact with the cache, an option is to bypassit.
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Unknown Jake: the cache api, you can delete stuff. the http cache, with the fetch api, you can specify how it should interact with the cache, an option is to bypassit. ←
07:18:12 <liam> ... not all implementedin Chromium.
... not all implementedin Chromium. ←
07:18:29 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
07:18:48 <liam> ClearSiteData API is a header-based way to clear caches & storage and there's a JS API for that too.
ClearSiteData API is a header-based way to clear caches & storage and there's a JS API for that too. ←
07:19:08 <liam> It acts as a panic button if you detect XSS, or on logout.
It acts as a panic button if you detect XSS, or on logout. ←
07:20:20 <liam> Ivan: what we have here, is it something that the existence thereof, and what Daniel etc have done in Readium, is it the kind of application interesting enough to be a use case to push other browsers?
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Unknown Ivan: what we have here, is it something that the existence thereof, and what Daniel etc have done in Readium, is it the kind of application interesting enough to be a use case to push other browsers? ←
07:20:48 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
07:20:52 <liam> Jake: any feedback around the API is very valuable, along with feedback we're getting from Facebook, The Guardian, etc
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Unknown Jake: any feedback around the API is very valuable, along with feedback we're getting from Facebook, The Guardian, etc ←
07:21:20 <DanielWeck> fq+
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Unknown DanielWeck: fq+ ←
07:21:23 <DanielWeck> q+
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Unknown DanielWeck: q+ ←
07:21:31 <liam> tzviya: it's a use case that has the potential to support the entire publishing industry so it's a big use case.
Tzviya Siegman: it's a use case that has the potential to support the entire publishing industry so it's a big use case. ←
07:21:58 <liam> ivan: saying anything they put on the Web must be on https, will that be OK?
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Unknown ivan: saying anything they put on the Web must be on https, will that be OK? ←
07:22:21 <liam> Jake: it's not just about what you send to the server, it's what the server sends to you too.
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Unknown Jake: it's not just about what you send to the server, it's what the server sends to you too. ←
07:22:37 <tzviya> ack dan
Tzviya Siegman: ack dan ←
07:22:57 <liam> DanielWeck: I was wondering, why is this group considering the need to access the raw filesystem from the browser?
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Unknown DanielWeck: I was wondering, why is this group considering the need to access the raw filesystem from the browser? ←
07:23:32 <liam> ... My experience is that a hybrid app will expose a custom URI scheme
... My experience is that a hybrid app will expose a custom URI scheme ←
07:23:47 <liam> ... Is there a diagram?
... Is there a diagram? ←
07:24:40 <liam> Ivan: I didn't realize until half an hour that aspect, the use case I had is I download a book e.g. via dropbox and now I want to read it in the browser.
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Unknown Ivan: I didn't realize until half an hour that aspect, the use case I had is I download a book e.g. via dropbox and now I want to read it in the browser. ←
07:24:57 <liam> The trick you had of starting a local server solves the issue.
The trick you had of starting a local server solves the issue. ←
07:25:23 <liam> Jake: what's the benefit of using a local server?
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Unknown Jake: what's the benefit of using a local server? ←
07:25:39 <liam> Ivan: because I can receive the article from a friend by email, many ways a publication can be sent around.
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Unknown Ivan: because I can receive the article from a friend by email, many ways a publication can be sent around. ←
07:26:26 <liam> tzviya: another use case is archiving, needs to be an archival format.
Tzviya Siegman: another use case is archiving, needs to be an archival format. ←
07:26:55 <liam> Jake: Archival format could be generated by a service worker.
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Unknown Jake: Archival format could be generated by a service worker. ←
07:27:22 <liam> Florian: Having downloaded the various assets, the SW could use the kind of API Daniel was describing
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Unknown Florian: Having downloaded the various assets, the SW could use the kind of API Daniel was describing ←
07:27:33 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
07:27:51 <liam> yy: Maybe I'm eing naieve
Unknown myles: Maybe I'm eing naieve ←
07:28:10 <liam> ... but if I need a server in order to read a publication, seems like that might be a security problem.
... but if I need a server in order to read a publication, seems like that might be a security problem. ←
07:28:10 <tzviya> s/yy/myles
07:28:23 <liam> ... E.g. on Apple platform we grant rights to the network as opposed to the file system.
... E.g. on Apple platform we grant rights to the network as opposed to the file system. ←
07:28:50 <liam> Jake: Yeah, if you run a page on the file system you can XHR within that folder (directory) and down. But can't reach out.
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Unknown Jake: Yeah, if you run a page on the file system you can XHR within that folder (directory) and down. But can't reach out. ←
07:29:03 <liam> (don't get an html file on / and open it!)
(don't get an html file on / and open it!) ←
07:29:14 <liam> I agree there's a massive security consideration.
I agree there's a massive security consideration. ←
07:29:35 <liam> Jake: What's the benefit of the SW when you already have the publication on the user's disk?
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Unknown Jake: What's the benefit of the SW when you already have the publication on the user's disk? ←
07:30:07 <liam> Ivan: from my point of view the fact that the SW abstracts out the difference of the publications being local or remote, packaged or not, is what I gain
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Unknown Ivan: from my point of view the fact that the SW abstracts out the difference of the publications being local or remote, packaged or not, is what I gain ←
07:30:27 <liam> ... All the rest of the reader, conceptually, works as if the publication was unpacked & on the Web.
... All the rest of the reader, conceptually, works as if the publication was unpacked & on the Web. ←
07:31:06 <liam> ... That has consequences on e.g. what is the canonical identifier of a publication. If the local fs vanishes from the equation and we think in terms of URIs, that's a major win.
... That has consequences on e.g. what is the canonical identifier of a publication. If the local fs vanishes from the equation and we think in terms of URIs, that's a major win. ←
07:31:58 <liam> Jake: might be possible to do some of that, I'm hoping we can get to a point where we can do a fetch to a page & ipe the stream into a handler
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Unknown Jake: might be possible to do some of that, I'm hoping we can get to a point where we can do a fetch to a page & ipe the stream into a handler ←
07:32:17 <liam> That would work around the memory issues.
That would work around the memory issues. ←
07:32:37 <liam> ... If you navigate to a fs location that didn't exist but you wanted to make it exist, that'd be hard, and has security issues.
... If you navigate to a fs location that didn't exist but you wanted to make it exist, that'd be hard, and has security issues. ←
07:32:39 <DanielWeck> q+
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Unknown DanielWeck: q+ ←
07:32:42 <liam> Especially with a Web-based OS.
Especially with a Web-based OS. ←
07:32:49 <tzviya> ack dan
Tzviya Siegman: ack dan ←
07:34:49 <liam> Myles: So Ivan mentioned benefits of using service worker. There are drawbacks - security issues & added complexities of running a Web server inside your layout program. I don't think it's worth it.
Unknown myles: So Ivan mentioned benefits of using service worker. There are drawbacks - security issues & added complexities of running a Web server inside your layout program. I don't think it's worth it. ←
07:35:43 <liam> Jake: if you're wanting to present publications online with an endpoint that works offline then I think SW is a good option.
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Unknown Jake: if you're wanting to present publications online with an endpoint that works offline then I think SW is a good option. ←
07:36:02 <liam> ... If you're saving to the fs a zip of content yuo could then unzip...
... If you're saving to the fs a zip of content yuo could then unzip... ←
07:36:34 <liam> [discussion of whether Web server and SW is suitable, or too heavy-handed]
[discussion of whether Web server and SW is suitable, or too heavy-handed] ←
07:37:19 <liam> Brady: today many reading systems are already doing this, e.g. playbooks, puts HTML content in a [native] WebView
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Unknown Brady: today many reading systems are already doing this, e.g. playbooks, puts HTML content in a [native] WebView ←
07:37:52 <liam> ... and we make requests for resources & grab them from the fs. Can't store books on fs, have to encrypt. So stuff happens, and this is common for a Web-based reading system.
... and we make requests for resources & grab them from the fs. Can't store books on fs, have to encrypt. So stuff happens, and this is common for a Web-based reading system. ←
07:38:06 <liam> ... Requests are going to a notive app that fulfills them from local storage.
... Requests are going to a notive app that fulfills them from local storage. ←
07:38:18 <liam> Other case is you have content on the Web
Other case is you have content on the Web ←
07:38:37 <liam> We want to serve the images for a book [on the Web] in an encrypted way so they don't end up in the browser cache.
We want to serve the images for a book [on the Web] in an encrypted way so they don't end up in the browser cache. ←
07:39:03 <liam> ... You download the content in the context of the SW & transform it before putting it on the screen.
... You download the content in the context of the SW & transform it before putting it on the screen. ←
07:39:16 <liam> You don't *need* SW but there are nasty workarounds you have to do in that case.
You don't *need* SW but there are nasty workarounds you have to do in that case. ←
07:39:52 <liam> Jake: If we're talking about a directory with an HTML file in it, I don't think that would work. The SW requires a static location, and it woudn't be static if you moved the files around.
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Unknown Jake: If we're talking about a directory with an HTML file in it, I don't think that would work. The SW requires a static location, and it woudn't be static if you moved the files around. ←
07:40:27 <liam> Brady: SW makes sense when the book lives on the Web & you [use local fs as a sort of offline cache]
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Unknown Brady: SW makes sense when the book lives on the Web & you [use local fs as a sort of offline cache] ←
07:40:56 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
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07:41:00 <dauwhe> LarsG: comment:
Unknown LarsG: comment: ←
07:41:21 <dauwhe> ... the encrypted connection to downloaded images, why don't you just use cache control
... the encrypted connection to downloaded images, why don't you just use cache control ←
07:41:26 <dauwhe> brady_duga: I don't know impl details
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Unknown brady_duga: I don't know impl details ←
07:41:34 <dauwhe> ... there were concerns about intercept content
... there were concerns about intercept content ←
07:41:39 <dauwhe> ... i don't know details
... i don't know details ←
07:41:47 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
07:41:49 <dauwhe> JakeA: http resources can be cached
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Unknown JakeA: http resources can be cached ←
07:41:55 <dauwhe> brady_duga: we have silly code
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Unknown brady_duga: we have silly code ←
07:42:07 <DanielWeck> q+
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Unknown DanielWeck: q+ ←
07:42:17 <dauwhe> JakeA: on the encrypted data side we're storing data in a database on a disk, but unencrypted
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Unknown JakeA: on the encrypted data side we're storing data in a database on a disk, but unencrypted ←
07:42:26 <dauwhe> ... the web crypto api is there
... the web crypto api is there ←
07:42:34 <tzviya> ack dan
Tzviya Siegman: ack dan ←
07:42:40 <dauwhe> ... chrome says if you've installed something on your file system you've lost security
... chrome says if you've installed something on your file system you've lost security ←
07:42:52 <dauwhe> DanielWeck: from a RS perspective
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Unknown DanielWeck: from a RS perspective ←
07:43:03 <dauwhe> ... there's a separation between native apps and hybrid apps
... there's a separation between native apps and hybrid apps ←
07:43:17 <dauwhe> ... native apps vs pure web readers
... native apps vs pure web readers ←
07:43:23 <dauwhe> ... in native app you can do anything
... in native app you can do anything ←
07:43:28 <dauwhe> ... use custom url handlers
... use custom url handlers ←
07:43:37 <dauwhe> ... the genereal case in readium is the web reader
... the genereal case in readium is the web reader ←
07:43:44 <dauwhe> ... we work around owp platform limitiations
... we work around owp platform limitiations ←
07:43:51 <dauwhe> ... in that context SWs are brilliant
... in that context SWs are brilliant ←
07:44:10 <dauwhe> ... in the context of a native app you don't need service workers
... in the context of a native app you don't need service workers ←
07:44:18 <dauwhe> ... about content protection
... about content protection ←
07:44:24 <dauwhe> ... we use a combination of mechanisms
... we use a combination of mechanisms ←
07:44:31 <dauwhe> ... in order to strongly obsfucate
... in order to strongly obsfucate ←
07:44:38 <dauwhe> ... so user can't access content
... so user can't access content ←
07:44:55 <dauwhe> ... usually users can steal data from developer tools
... usually users can steal data from developer tools ←
07:45:10 <dauwhe> ... another example is with chrome we can access html5 file system
... another example is with chrome we can access html5 file system ←
07:45:20 <dauwhe> ... we cache content locally in html5 filesystem
... we cache content locally in html5 filesystem ←
07:45:27 <dauwhe> ... it's security by obscurity
... it's security by obscurity ←
07:45:29 <jeff_xu> q+
07:45:33 <dauwhe> ... files themselves are clear
... files themselves are clear ←
07:45:40 <dauwhe> ... but the file paths are obsfucated
... but the file paths are obsfucated ←
07:46:02 <dauwhe> ... we've combined different mechanisms so users can't easily access unencrypted content
... we've combined different mechanisms so users can't easily access unencrypted content ←
07:46:08 <dauwhe> ... it's a mitigation effort
... it's a mitigation effort ←
07:46:19 <dauwhe> JakeA: i'm working on a course to teach offline first
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Unknown JakeA: i'm working on a course to teach offline first ←
07:46:27 <dauwhe> ... there's a series of coding tasks
... there's a series of coding tasks ←
07:46:41 <dauwhe> ... with gif prizes
... with gif prizes ←
07:46:52 <dauwhe> ... so I added null byte to the start of each image
... so I added null byte to the start of each image ←
07:46:56 <dauwhe> ... then strip it off
... then strip it off ←
07:47:05 <dauwhe> ... so you can do smarter things
... so you can do smarter things ←
07:47:14 <dauwhe> ... you're talking about cordova
... you're talking about cordova ←
07:47:17 <dauwhe> ... there's a plugin
... there's a plugin ←
07:47:30 <JakeA> https://github.com/MobileChromeApps/cordova-plugin-service-worker/blob/master/README.md
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Unknown JakeA: https://github.com/MobileChromeApps/cordova-plugin-service-worker/blob/master/README.md ←
07:47:41 <DanielWeck> (combination of mechanisms to protect content / intellectual property: e.g. security by "obscurity", obfuscation of file paths within the local cache or HTML5 filesystem)
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Unknown DanielWeck: (combination of mechanisms to protect content / intellectual property: e.g. security by "obscurity", obfuscation of file paths within the local cache or HTML5 filesystem) ←
07:47:44 <dauwhe> ... i like using the web instead of native
... i like using the web instead of native ←
07:48:01 <dauwhe> ... on chrome team we want to hear what's hard on web platform but easy on native + web view
... on chrome team we want to hear what's hard on web platform but easy on native + web view ←
07:48:07 <tzviya> ack jeff
Tzviya Siegman: ack jeff ←
07:48:08 <dauwhe> ... tell us about those things so we can fix them
... tell us about those things so we can fix them ←
07:48:23 <ivan> Present+ Jake_Archibald
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Unknown ivan: Present+ Jake_Archibald ←
07:48:55 <dauwhe> jeff_xu: whhen we run out a resource, how can we clear the service worker
Jeff Xu: whhen we run out a resource, how can we clear the service worker ←
07:49:05 <dauwhe> jeff_xu: browser makes no promises about retaining storage
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Unknown JakeA: browser makes no promises about retaining storage ←
07:49:11 <dauwhe> ... it can clear out origins
... it can clear out origins ←
07:49:16 <dauwhe> ... a full origin at a time
... a full origin at a time ←
07:49:28 <dauwhe> ... there's a storage API
... there's a storage API ←
07:49:38 <dauwhe> ... where you can request persistent storage
... where you can request persistent storage ←
07:49:45 <dauwhe> ... which requires permission from the user
... which requires permission from the user ←
07:49:59 <dauwhe> ... but that is then permanent, essentially installed by owner
... but that is then permanent, essentially installed by owner ←
07:50:08 <dauwhe> ... we're working on what those steps by me
... we're working on what those steps by me ←
07:50:19 <dauwhe> ... perhaps based on being added to home screen
... perhaps based on being added to home screen ←
07:50:44 <clapierre> s/jeff_xu: browser/JakeA: browser/
07:50:55 <dauwhe> jeff_xu: it is possible to set priority between service workers
Jeff Xu: it is possible to set priority between service workers ←
07:51:09 <dauwhe> ... some we want to keep running, some we want cleared
... some we want to keep running, some we want cleared ←
07:51:23 <dauwhe> JakeA: there are different kinds of workers with different live cycles
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Unknown JakeA: there are different kinds of workers with different live cycles ←
07:51:33 <dauwhe> ... started by events, killed once event ends
... started by events, killed once event ends ←
07:51:43 <dauwhe> ... browser may keep running to save on startup costs
... browser may keep running to save on startup costs ←
07:51:50 <dauwhe> ... idea is for them to disappear soon
... idea is for them to disappear soon ←
07:52:01 <dauwhe> ... if you want something to hang around, you want worker or shared worker
... if you want something to hang around, you want worker or shared worker ←
07:52:14 <dauwhe> jeff_xu: how to check health of current service works
Jeff Xu: how to check health of current service works ←
07:52:20 <dauwhe> JakeA: there are error listeners
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Unknown JakeA: there are error listeners ←
07:52:27 <dauwhe> ... you can check state of registration
... you can check state of registration ←
07:52:32 <dauwhe> ... that's all observable
... that's all observable ←
07:52:46 <dauwhe> ... we have open issue if service worker fails when there are no pages
... we have open issue if service worker fails when there are no pages ←
07:53:33 <dauwhe> skk: the future of SW on top of web tech, but we can choose another mechanism
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Unknown skk: the future of SW on top of web tech, but we can choose another mechanism ←
07:53:45 <dauwhe> ... for simple thing, we can install cache server (?)
... for simple thing, we can install cache server (?) ←
07:53:58 <dauwhe> ... not sure if this design choice is appropriate for this domain
... not sure if this design choice is appropriate for this domain ←
07:54:09 <dauwhe> ... but SWs are useful for other web services
... but SWs are useful for other web services ←
07:54:17 <dauwhe> ... before talking about tech details
... before talking about tech details ←
07:54:28 <dauwhe> ... I want to know pros and cons of this design choice
... I want to know pros and cons of this design choice ←
07:54:39 <dauwhe> ... but there might be another presentation
... but there might be another presentation ←
07:54:42 <dauwhe> JakeA: I agree
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Unknown JakeA: I agree ←
07:54:59 <dauwhe> ... SW isn't answer on filesystem with self-executing bundle
... SW isn't answer on filesystem with self-executing bundle ←
07:55:11 <dauwhe> ... you could have an ebook reader website that uses SW to work offline
... you could have an ebook reader website that uses SW to work offline ←
07:55:19 <dauwhe> ... either by a click or drag and drop
... either by a click or drag and drop ←
07:55:40 <dauwhe> ... and it could give you the bundled format if you ask
... and it could give you the bundled format if you ask ←
07:55:46 <dauwhe> tzviya: that's why we had this meeting
Tzviya Siegman: that's why we had this meeting ←
07:55:50 <tzviya> to log issue on GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/issues
Tzviya Siegman: to log issue on GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/issues ←
07:55:56 <dauwhe> ... to find out if we're on the right track
... to find out if we're on the right track ←
07:56:10 <dauwhe> ... if you have other suggestions add issues
... if you have other suggestions add issues ←
07:56:20 <dauwhe> JakeA: is the user flow documented anywhere?
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Unknown JakeA: is the user flow documented anywhere? ←
07:56:27 <dauwhe> tzviya: how they open a book?
Tzviya Siegman: how they open a book? ←
07:56:39 <dauwhe> ivan: there isn't one; there are several
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Unknown ivan: there isn't one; there are several ←
07:56:49 <dauwhe> ... we give use cases in the doc
... we give use cases in the doc ←
07:56:57 <dauwhe> ... if I have an online sci journal
... if I have an online sci journal ←
07:57:05 <dauwhe> ... might have lots of goodies
... might have lots of goodies ←
07:57:16 <dauwhe> .... but then I want to annotate it on the train, so I want it on my machine
.... but then I want to annotate it on the train, so I want it on my machine ←
07:57:29 <dauwhe> ... or publisher wants to sell me this thing, they want to sell one unit
... or publisher wants to sell me this thing, they want to sell one unit ←
07:57:36 <dauwhe> ... that's where the package comes in
... that's where the package comes in ←
07:57:43 <dauwhe> ... whether it's offline or online...
... whether it's offline or online... ←
07:57:54 <dauwhe> ... these are all situations user may hit when interacting with publishing today
... these are all situations user may hit when interacting with publishing today ←
07:58:08 <dauwhe> ... the difficulty is that we can of course come up with smart ideas about doing it one way
... the difficulty is that we can of course come up with smart ideas about doing it one way ←
07:58:20 <dauwhe> ... but there is a billion dollar industry that has its own publishing habits
... but there is a billion dollar industry that has its own publishing habits ←
07:58:27 <dauwhe> ... we must adapt to what is out there
... we must adapt to what is out there ←
07:58:40 <dauwhe> ... maybe a smooth transition to where everything is on the web
... maybe a smooth transition to where everything is on the web ←
07:58:52 <dauwhe> JakeA: I'm not suggesting that, I just wanted to have the pattern in my head
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Unknown JakeA: I'm not suggesting that, I just wanted to have the pattern in my head ←
07:58:57 <dauwhe> ivan: there are several
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Unknown ivan: there are several ←
07:59:10 <dauwhe> JakeA: SWs would be useful for publishers to host books so they would work offline
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Unknown JakeA: SWs would be useful for publishers to host books so they would work offline ←
07:59:16 <dauwhe> ... and for making a web-based app
... and for making a web-based app ←
07:59:31 <dauwhe> ivan: for me the SW is a tool or approach to unify these different patterns
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Unknown ivan: for me the SW is a tool or approach to unify these different patterns ←
07:59:37 <dauwhe> ... some of which are awkward
... some of which are awkward ←
07:59:48 <dauwhe> ... but I have a way to mmove forward without destroying what's out there
... but I have a way to mmove forward without destroying what's out there ←
07:59:55 <dauwhe> ... there's a practical aspect
... there's a practical aspect ←
08:00:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: thank you everyone
Tzviya Siegman: thank you everyone ←
08:00:51 <dauwhe> tzviya: thanks to Jake
Tzviya Siegman: thanks to Jake ←
08:00:57 <dauwhe> JakeA: thanks for inviting me
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Unknown JakeA: thanks for inviting me ←
08:01:03 <ivan> --adjurned
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Unknown ivan: --adjourned ←
08:01:09 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
08:01:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
08:01:13 <dauwhe> s/adjurned/adjourned/
08:01:22 <ivan> zakim, bye
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Unknown ivan: zakim, bye ←
08:01:22 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Charles_LaPierre, Tzviya_Siegman, Vlad_Levantovsky, Dave_Cramer, Karen_Myers, Rob_Sanderson, Heather_Flanagan, Liam_Quin,
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Charles_LaPierre, Tzviya_Siegman, Vlad_Levantovsky, Dave_Cramer, Karen_Myers, Rob_Sanderson, Heather_Flanagan, Liam_Quin, ←
08:01:25 <Zakim> ... Lars_Svensson, LarsG, glazou, myles, Jeff_Xu, duga, Judy, Florian, SteveZ, mgylling, Benjamin_Young, csarven, Bert, Bos, Bert_Bos, Richard_Ishida, Chris_Lilley, Lea_Verou,
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Lars_Svensson, LarsG, glazou, myles, Jeff_Xu, duga, Judy, Florian, SteveZ, mgylling, Benjamin_Young, csarven, Bert, Bos, Bert_Bos, Richard_Ishida, Chris_Lilley, Lea_Verou, ←
08:01:25 <Zakim> ... Taketoshi, Yamane, fantasai, Peter_Linss, Rossen, Dean_Jackson, David_Baron, Daniel_Weck, Jake_Archibald
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Taketoshi, Yamane, fantasai, Peter_Linss, Rossen, Dean_Jackson, David_Baron, Daniel_Weck, Jake_Archibald ←
08:01:35 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
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Unknown ivan: rrsagent, bye ←
08:01:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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