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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 27 July 2015

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Jul/0064.html
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Alan Stearns, Bert Bos, Bill Kasdorf, Brady Duga, Charles LaPierre, Chris Lilley, Dave Cramer, Deborah Kaplan, Edward O'Connor, Ivan Herman, Julie Morris, Laura Fowler, Luc Audrain, Markus Gylling, Paul Belfanti, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Thierry Michel, Timothy Cole, Tzviya Siegman, Vladimir Levantovsky
Regrets
Ivan Herman, Thierry Michel, Chris Lilley, Brady Duga, Dave Cramer, Laura Fowler, Unknown Nick, Luc Audrain, Phil Madans, Unknown Michael, Vladimir Levantovsky, Unknown Zheng
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Tzviya Siegman
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Markus Gylling
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14:50:44 <tzviya> Meeting: DPUB IG
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14:57:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:57:47 <trackbot> Date: 27 July 2015
14:58:20 <mgylling> regrets: Ivan, Thierry, Chris, Brady, Dave, Laura, Nick, Luc, Phil, Michael, Vladimir, Zheng

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14:58:33 <clapierre> present +clapierre

Charles LaPierre: present +clapierre

15:00:46 <pkra> +present Peter Krautzberger

Peter Krautzberger: +present Peter Krautzberger

15:00:56 <mgylling> scribenick mgylling

Markus Gylling: scribenick mgylling

15:00:57 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman

Tzviya Siegman: present+ Tzviya_Siegman

15:01:00 <dkaplan3> present+ Deborah_Kaplan

Deborah Kaplan: present+ Deborah_Kaplan

15:01:02 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
15:01:06 <astearns> present+ astearns

Alan Stearns: present+ astearns

15:01:13 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf

Bill Kasdorf: present+ Bill_Kasdorf

15:01:17 <pkra> present+ Peter Krautzberger

Peter Krautzberger: present+ Peter Krautzberger

15:01:22 <mgylling> scribenick: mgylling

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15:01:26 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Jul/0064.html
15:01:38 <mgylling> present+ Markus Gylling

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15:02:23 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole

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15:04:14 <mgylling> zakim, this is dpub

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15:04:40 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-dpub-minutes.html

Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-dpub-minutes.html

15:04:44 <mgylling> topic: approval of minutes

1. approval of minutes

15:05:01 <mgylling> tzviya: any comments?

Tzviya Siegman: any comments?

15:05:17 <mgylling> … minutes approvied

… minutes approved

15:05:24 <mgylling> s/approvied/approved
15:05:42 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ShvCn3roYENFMAqYhFL169nTeov1f-1OL6rsJa6nDZk/edit

Tzviya Siegman: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ShvCn3roYENFMAqYhFL169nTeov1f-1OL6rsJa6nDZk/edit

15:05:43 <mgylling> topic: draft of requirements for packaged/portable state

2. draft of requirements for packaged/portable state

15:06:06 <mgylling> tzviya: just a draft in google docs for now, I’ll walk through where we are

Tzviya Siegman: just a draft in google docs for now, I’ll walk through where we are

15:06:46 <mgylling> … we’ve talked about it being an abstraction, at least in the online mode. In the online mode, scripting and service workers can handle lots of this stuff

… we’ve talked about it being an abstraction, at least in the online mode. In the online mode, scripting and service workers can handle lots of this stuff

15:07:11 <mgylling> … I’ve divided the document into online and offline state, the only thing unique to offline is portability

… I’ve divided the document into online and offline state, the only thing unique to offline is portability

15:07:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:08:38 <mgylling> tzviya: it becomes unclear in my mind if this is part of packaging requirements, or if its requirements on the content, e.g. navigation

Tzviya Siegman: it becomes unclear in my mind if this is part of packaging requirements, or if its requirements on the content, e.g. navigation

15:09:22 <clapierre> q+

Charles LaPierre: q+

15:09:32 <mgylling> ack Bill_K

ack Bill_K

15:09:36 <tzviya> ack bill

Tzviya Siegman: ack bill

15:10:47 <mgylling> BillK: small comment, strikes me that as we struggle with the global unique identifier, most sectors of publishing industry is struggling with work identifier, it strikes me that from a functional pov, maybe package identifiers are what we need

Bill Kasdorf: small comment, strikes me that as we struggle with the global unique identifier, most sectors of publishing industry is struggling with work identifier, it strikes me that from a functional pov, maybe package identifiers are what we need

15:11:25 <mgylling> tzviya: right, I dont think its this group’s task to solve work identifiers

Tzviya Siegman: right, I dont think its this group’s task to solve work identifiers

15:11:37 <TimCole> q+

Timothy Cole: q+

15:12:15 <tzviya> ack cla

Tzviya Siegman: ack cla

15:12:49 <mgylling> charles: we may have certain pieces optional when going to the offline state, e.g. video may or may not be included

Charles LaPierre: we may have certain pieces optional when going to the offline state, e.g. video may or may not be included

15:13:02 <tzviya> ack Tim

Tzviya Siegman: ack Tim

15:13:41 <mgylling> Tim: I basically agree with the value and importance of the package identifier, but we also need to keep in mind that items within a package may have preexisting identifiers

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Unknown Tim: I basically agree with the value and importance of the package identifier, but we also need to keep in mind that items within a package may have preexisting identifiers

15:13:59 <mgylling> … e.g. DOIs on articles within the package

… e.g. DOIs on articles within the package

15:14:27 <mgylling> BillK: thats exactly what I meant, the components are gonna have all kinds of identifiers, thats fine, what we are after is the package itself

Bill Kasdorf: thats exactly what I meant, the components are gonna have all kinds of identifiers, thats fine, what we are after is the package itself

15:14:56 <mgylling> tzviya: one section in the doc says package within a package, we should add a note there about retaining identifiers

Tzviya Siegman: one section in the doc says package within a package, we should add a note there about retaining identifiers

15:15:36 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

15:15:41 <mgylling> q+

q+

15:15:45 <tzviya> ack mg

Tzviya Siegman: ack mg

15:16:45 <tzviya> markus: Should be make a clearer distinction between offline and portable?

Markus Gylling: Should be make a clearer distinction between offline and portable? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

15:17:04 <pkra> transferable

Peter Krautzberger: transferable

15:17:24 <tzviya> ...offline may use service workers to create a temporary cache

Tzviya Siegman: ...offline may use service workers to create a temporary cache

15:17:56 <tzviya> ...portable is completely network-free

Tzviya Siegman: ...portable is completely network-free

15:18:22 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:18:39 <tzviya> ack Bill

Tzviya Siegman: ack Bill

15:18:53 <pkra> q+

Peter Krautzberger: q+

15:20:47 <tzviya> tzviya: can't the portable document come from the online version?

Tzviya Siegman: can't the portable document come from the online version? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

15:21:13 <tzviya> markus: yes, but let's clarify what this document is describing

Markus Gylling: yes, but let's clarify what this document is describing [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

15:21:30 <mgylling> q?

q?

15:22:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:22:06 <pkra> raising hand wildly...

Peter Krautzberger: raising hand wildly...

15:22:11 <tzviya> ack pk

Tzviya Siegman: ack pk

15:22:55 <mgylling> pkra: main difference in the discussion just now seems to be the transferability, being able to take whats in the browser and run with it

Peter Krautzberger: main difference in the discussion just now seems to be the transferability, being able to take whats in the browser and run with it

15:23:46 <mgylling> … just a rough idea, somewhat unfortunate discussion on mailing list that I cause by pointing to save as PDF in iOS 9, this is the same use case

… just a rough idea, somewhat unfortunate discussion on mailing list that I cause by pointing to save as PDF in iOS 9, this is the same use case

15:23:54 <tzviya> ack bill

Tzviya Siegman: ack bill

15:24:27 <mgylling> BillK: key concepts that I would associated with the packaged state are persistence and independence of any particular browser or browser cache

Bill Kasdorf: key concepts that I would associated with the packaged state are persistence and independence of any particular browser or browser cache

15:24:55 <pkra> +1

Peter Krautzberger: +1

15:25:04 <pkra> :(

Peter Krautzberger: :(

15:25:14 <pkra> O:-)

Edward O'Connor: -) [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ]

15:25:19 <pkra> typo.

Peter Krautzberger: typo.

15:25:28 <mgylling> tzviya: I think we all agree, should clarify terminology in the document

Tzviya Siegman: I think we all agree, should clarify terminology in the document

15:25:36 <mgylling> topic: STEM survey update

3. STEM survey update

15:26:29 <mgylling> pkra: the work has been progressing nicely, we have been processing the comments by hand, 3/4 done

Peter Krautzberger: the work has been progressing nicely, we have been processing the comments by hand, 3/4 done

15:26:39 <pkra> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Uvg0ile7qiygyDBocnN882cMmIub5wR200fFIoMFUs/edit?usp=sharing

Peter Krautzberger: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Uvg0ile7qiygyDBocnN882cMmIub5wR200fFIoMFUs/edit?usp=sharing

15:26:45 <mgylling> … that will be an important part of the note we are creating

… that will be an important part of the note we are creating

15:27:05 <mgylling> … the spreadsheet gives an idea of the slicing and dicing that we can do

… the spreadsheet gives an idea of the slicing and dicing that we can do

15:27:17 <mgylling> … get a more detailed look and dive into the data a bit more

… get a more detailed look and dive into the data a bit more

15:27:31 <mgylling> … we welcome feedback

… we welcome feedback

15:28:08 <TimCole> q+

Timothy Cole: q+

15:28:15 <tzviya> ack Tim

Tzviya Siegman: ack Tim

15:29:10 <mgylling> TimCole: one thing thats interesting about the survey was how many people wear multiple hats, when you slice the data by subject domain you get many apparent responses

Timothy Cole: one thing thats interesting about the survey was how many people wear multiple hats, when you slice the data by subject domain you get many apparent responses

15:29:41 <mgylling> … the slices are now anonymized… will soon have a graphical update with bar charts

… the slices are now anonymized… will soon have a graphical update with bar charts

15:30:28 <mgylling> … a lot of concern with the issues we expected

… a lot of concern with the issues we expected

15:31:29 <mgylling> pkra: a couple of questions where the data essentially shows that we dodnt get the point across in the question

Peter Krautzberger: a couple of questions where the data essentially shows that we didnt get the point across in the question

15:31:36 <mgylling> s/dodnt/didnt
15:31:58 <mgylling> … when people talk browser implementations when we asked about standards, things like that

… when people talk browser implementations when we asked about standards, things like that

15:32:28 <mgylling> topic: math and the role attribute

4. math and the role attribute

15:32:31 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

15:33:21 <mgylling> pkra: the basic interest on my end developed when MathJAX had a call with AT vendors, somebody noted that the math role doesnt serve any purpose at the moment, I looked into more detail

Peter Krautzberger: the basic interest on my end developed when MathJAX had a call with AT vendors, somebody noted that the math role doesnt serve any purpose at the moment, I looked into more detail

15:33:23 <pkra> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#plain-html-or-polyfill-dom-result-of-the-mathml-quadratic-formula

Peter Krautzberger: http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#plain-html-or-polyfill-dom-result-of-the-mathml-quadratic-formula

15:33:30 <pkra>  http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#math

Peter Krautzberger: http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#math

15:34:16 <mgylling> … this is the one from the current workning draft, both of them are very empty when it comes to the math role itself, the main use case is on the math element where it is implicit so its meaningless

… this is the one from the current workning draft, both of them are very empty when it comes to the math role itself, the main use case is on the math element where it is implicit so its meaningless

15:34:56 <mgylling> … the problem is that the actual standard that we have, MathML, exists but isnt widely implemented, really sketchy browser support

… the problem is that the actual standard that we have, MathML, exists but isnt widely implemented, really sketchy browser support

15:35:28 <mgylling> … the only two implementations is entirely volunteer driven

… the only two implementations is entirely volunteer driven

15:35:54 <mgylling> … native support isnt something that seems to be happening, that makes the need for ARIA really necessary

… native support isnt something that seems to be happening, that makes the need for ARIA really necessary

15:36:53 <mgylling> … there is no polyfill in the modern sense for MathML

… there is no polyfill in the modern sense for MathML

15:37:18 <mgylling> … since there really aren’t any advanced layout polyfills out there

… since there really aren’t any advanced layout polyfills out there

15:37:40 <mgylling> … what we do have instead is “converters” such as MathJAX

… what we do have instead is “converters” such as MathJAX

15:38:08 <mgylling> … in that situation, ARIA roles would fit very well, you should be able to use e.g. SVG and expose the underlying structure

… in that situation, ARIA roles would fit very well, you should be able to use e.g. SVG and expose the underlying structure

15:38:54 <mgylling> … so thats basically the problem and I am interested in solving it, limited interest in Math WG

… so thats basically the problem and I am interested in solving it, limited interest in Math WG

15:39:08 <mgylling> q+

q+

15:39:13 <tzviya> ack mg

Tzviya Siegman: ack mg

15:40:06 <mgylling> markus: are you envisioning an entire vocabulary of math terms?

Markus Gylling: are you envisioning an entire vocabulary of math terms?

15:40:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:40:18 <mgylling> pkra: that might be one of the answers, but I don’t know

Peter Krautzberger: that might be one of the answers, but I don’t know

15:40:46 <mgylling> … right now a good solution could be to dump mathml source into an aria-mathml element

… right now a good solution could be to dump mathml source into an aria-mathml element

15:41:48 <mgylling> … chromevox just exposes the underlying MathML

… chromevox just exposes the underlying MathML

15:42:00 <mgylling> … having a vocab might be the right thing

… having a vocab might be the right thing

15:42:18 <mgylling> tzviya: I did mention to PF, Janina had hoped to join

Tzviya Siegman: I did mention to PF, Janina had hoped to join

15:42:44 <tzviya> ack Bill

Tzviya Siegman: ack Bill

15:44:02 <mgylling> pkra: if you wanted to do a polyfill in the modern sense, you could use web components + shadow dom, but you couldnt do this without client-side javascript

Peter Krautzberger: if you wanted to do a polyfill in the modern sense, you could use web components + shadow dom, but you couldnt do this without client-side javascript

15:44:47 <astearns> I believe another problem is that web components still won't have enough glyph layout capabilities to do better than SVG

Alan Stearns: I believe another problem is that web components still won't have enough glyph layout capabilities to do better than SVG

15:45:06 <mgylling> Bill_Kasdorf: I am struggling with the issue, a sense of proportion, what are you targeting here, at one end of the spectrum, the close to meaningless math role, and on the other side, all terms from MathML

Bill Kasdorf: I am struggling with the issue, a sense of proportion, what are you targeting here, at one end of the spectrum, the close to meaningless math role, and on the other side, all terms from MathML

15:45:46 <mgylling> … how could this be done in a sufficiently useful way without duplicating MathML?

… how could this be done in a sufficiently useful way without duplicating MathML?

15:46:08 <mgylling> pkra: if we were to duplicate MathML, we could generate HTML that looks like MathML and could behave to AT as MathML

Peter Krautzberger: if we were to duplicate MathML, we could generate HTML that looks like MathML and could behave to AT as MathML

15:46:51 <mgylling> pkra: the motivation is that we can’t use MathML because browser wont render it, we need a way to put MathML out there

Peter Krautzberger: the motivation is that we can’t use MathML because browser wont render it, we need a way to put MathML out there

15:47:25 <mgylling> … a static realization of Math in HTML or SVG

… a static realization of Math in HTML or SVG

15:47:51 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

15:48:00 <mgylling> … on role value for each MathML element would be total overkill obviously… trying to find what the sweet spot would be

… on role value for each MathML element would be total overkill obviously… trying to find what the sweet spot would be

15:49:16 <mgylling> topic: design survey

5. design survey

15:49:18 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/tr-design-survey-2015/

Tzviya Siegman: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/tr-design-survey-2015/

15:50:11 <mgylling> tzviya: we can look at latinReq to see what our current styles look like

Tzviya Siegman: we can look at latinReq to see what our current styles look like

15:50:22 <mgylling> … no we can’t!

… no we can’t!

15:50:27 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-metadata/

Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-metadata/

15:51:00 <mgylling> … thats what our current styles look like, the survey asks what we like about current styles

… thats what our current styles look like, the survey asks what we like about current styles

15:51:01 <tzviya> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/

Tzviya Siegman: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/

15:52:19 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

15:52:20 <Bert> (Funny, the maximum line length is exactly what I dislike. :-) It requires me to make a user style sheet if I want to see more text at the same time.)

Bert Bos: (Funny, the maximum line length is exactly what I dislike. :-) It requires me to make a user style sheet if I want to see more text at the same time.)

15:52:21 <clapierre> q+

Charles LaPierre: q+

15:52:31 <tzviya> ack cla

Tzviya Siegman: ack cla

15:53:19 <mgylling> clapierre: noticed there’s the section 4.1.1 where they have these different colored blocks, for me is hard to see, issue with contrast

Charles LaPierre: noticed there’s the section 4.1.1 where they have these different colored blocks, for me is hard to see, issue with contrast

15:53:20 <pkra> that's custom to that doc though?

Peter Krautzberger: that's custom to that doc though?

15:53:33 <astearns> max width is the main thing I do like. I don't want to have to change my browser width to be able to read with proper line lengths :)

Alan Stearns: max width is the main thing I do like. I don't want to have to change my browser width to be able to read with proper line lengths :)

15:53:41 <pkra> q+

Peter Krautzberger: q+

15:53:59 <clapierre> both

Charles LaPierre: both

15:54:00 <tzviya> ack pkra

Tzviya Siegman: ack pkra

15:54:27 <mgylling> pkra: looks like its not part of the styling package, but document-specific

Peter Krautzberger: looks like its not part of the styling package, but document-specific

15:54:51 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

15:55:20 <clapierre> good :)

Charles LaPierre: good :)

15:56:06 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2015JulSep/0021.html

Tzviya Siegman: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2015JulSep/0021.html

15:56:08 <mgylling> topic: charter votes for AC reps

6. charter votes for AC reps

15:56:36 <mgylling> tzviya: we encourate verybody to vote, we need 20 votes to be renewed, please ask your AC rep, vote ends August 20

Tzviya Siegman: we encourate everybody to vote, we need 20 votes to be renewed, please ask your AC rep, vote ends August 20

15:56:51 <mgylling> s/verybody/everybody
15:57:03 <mgylling> .. so far we have seen only three votes

.. so far we have seen only three votes

15:57:14 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

15:57:30 <pbelfanti> you will have my vote

Paul Belfanti: you will have my vote

15:57:36 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes

15:57:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/27-dpub-minutes.html mgylling

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/27-dpub-minutes.html mgylling

15:57:37 <pkra> thanks

Peter Krautzberger: thanks



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