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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 March 2015

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20:06:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
20:06:13 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2015
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20:07:39 <liam> scribenick: liam

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20:08:07 <liam> clapierre, initial work nearly done but we have questions for WCAG as it related to dpub

Charles LaPierre: initial work nearly done but we have questions for WCAG as it related to dpub

20:08:27 <liam> that and we also asked our IG to look for dpub-specific items that may not be included already in WCAG

that and we also asked our IG to look for dpub-specific items that may not be included already in WCAG

20:08:52 <liam> I'm wondering if we should the list out of non-related technique from WCAG as well as the one we still had qq regarding

I'm wondering if we should the list out of non-related technique from WCAG as well as the one we still had qq regarding

20:08:54 <liam> and send to whom?

and send to whom?

20:09:03 <liam> to try & figure what's relevant to dpub

to try & figure what's relevant to dpub

20:09:20 <liam> George: is this a q of what's missing from WCAG?

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Unknown George: is this a q of what's missing from WCAG?

20:09:32 <liam> clapierre: no, that's a different question

Charles LaPierre: no, that's a different question

20:09:38 <liam> s/clapierre,/clapierre:/
20:10:01 <liam> it's where it wasn't a simple yes/no it affects dpub but there was a question

it's where it wasn't a simple yes/no it affects dpub but there was a question

20:10:15 <liam> Do we bring it up in our own TF or in the DPUB IG

Do we bring it up in our own TF or in the DPUB IG

20:10:29 <liam> tzviya: looks like you have about 20 questions

Tzviya Siegman: looks like you have about 20 questions

20:10:36 <liam> clapierre: no, there's more than was in my email

Charles LaPierre: no, there's more than was in my email

20:11:03 <liam> tzviya: in the email you sent me there were actual items, I'm guessing between 20 & 30

Tzviya Siegman: in the email you sent me there were actual items, I'm guessing between 20 & 30

20:11:09 <liam> Perhaps we should go through them on this call

Perhaps we should go through them on this call

20:13:14 <liam> George: I'm focused on epub3, in the consensus of what's an accessible product, there's standards & techniques and also an agreements about what's inside the publication

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Unknown George: I'm focused on epub3, in the consensus of what's an accessible product, there's standards & techniques and also an agreements about what's inside the publication

20:13:29 <liam> ...whether it's online, or downloadable.

...whether it's online, or downloadable.

20:13:47 <liam> I was tasked with this by DAISY; publishers keep asking what they should do.

I was tasked with this by DAISY; publishers keep asking what they should do.

20:13:55 <liam> clapierre: I think that's what we're trying to do here too.

Charles LaPierre: I think that's what we're trying to do here too.

20:14:09 <liam> We were planning on a Note on dpub best practices wrt a11y.

We were planning on a Note on dpub best practices wrt a11y.

20:14:38 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

20:14:49 <liam> GK: if we're using HTML techniques then I think we're good with epub and publishing on the Web

George Kerscher: if we're using HTML techniques then I think we're good with epub and publishing on the Web

20:14:58 <liam> tzviya: we're trying to verify that

Deborah Kaplan: we're trying to verify that

20:15:11 <liam> Are there concerns specific to publishing that WCAD has not thought of

Are there concerns specific to publishing that WCAD has not thought of

20:15:16 <tzviya> s/tzviya/dkaplan3
20:15:41 <liam> GK: so when we talk about images there's extensive guielines; I've not seen imagemaps in digital publications.

George Kerscher: so when we talk about images there's extensive guielines; I've not seen imagemaps in digital publications.

20:16:07 <liam> dkaplan3: E.g. annotations or pagination are things publishing has to care about but W3C a11y specs dont' speak about much yet

Deborah Kaplan: E.g. annotations or pagination are things publishing has to care about but W3C a11y specs dont' speak about much yet

20:16:13 <Livio> hi

Livio Mondini: hi

20:16:28 <liam> so what's in publishing and not well-handled is what we're looking for

so what's in publishing and not well-handled is what we're looking for

20:17:04 <liam> tzviya: I think the disconnect is George is used to dealing with publishers; we've been looking at publishing a document that can describe best practices today for publishers;

Tzviya Siegman: I think the disconnect is George is used to dealing with publishers; we've been looking at publishing a document that can describe best practices today for publishers;

20:17:19 <liam> we need a survery of W3C's documentation - is is relevant, does it address all the needs for publishers

we need a survery of W3C's documentation - is is relevant, does it address all the needs for publishers

20:17:33 <liam> And talking about best practices for publishers is a little different.

And talking about best practices for publishers is a little different.

20:17:44 <Livio> this is true liam

Livio Mondini: this is true liam

20:17:55 <tzviya> q-

Tzviya Siegman: q-

20:18:34 <liam> tzviya: so the immediate charter of the dpub IG is to include the survey of existing docs, we're almost done

Tzviya Siegman: so the immediate charter of the dpub IG is to include the survey of existing docs, we're almost done

20:18:43 <liam> step 2 is to change the future

step 2 is to change the future

20:19:35 <liam> GK: I'm still thinking what I'm talking about is different, not just technology, it's conformance and guidance to students on how they get more if the documents are not fully accessible but conform to A or AA but doesn't get the students passing grades

George Kerscher: I'm still thinking what I'm talking about is different, not just technology, it's conformance and guidance to students on how they get more if the documents are not fully accessible but conform to A or AA but doesn't get the students passing grades

20:19:43 <liam> dkaplan3: that makes sense but I think it's something else

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Unknown mia: that makes sense but I think it's something else

20:19:58 <liam> we're not only considering students. It's important.

we're not only considering students. It's important.

20:20:35 <liam> It's sort of like providing alternatives; Old 508 said if you can't make this accessible you must provide an alternative that has the same information/functionality

It's sort of like providing alternatives; Old 508 said if you can't make this accessible you must provide an alternative that has the same information/functionality

20:20:55 <clapierre> s/dkaplan3/mia
20:21:09 <liam> Maybe having something like that, if you can't make this publication fully accessible you must provide some kind of guidance for a user on how they might obtain something in accessible format

Maybe having something like that, if you can't make this publication fully accessible you must provide some kind of guidance for a user on how they might obtain something in accessible format

20:21:14 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

20:21:19 <liam> including professional learners

including professional learners

20:21:25 <clapierre> akk liam

Charles LaPierre: akk liam

20:21:28 <clapierre> ack liam

Charles LaPierre: ack liam

20:21:28 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to say we can change the future

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20:22:43 <clapierre> ack tzviya

Charles LaPierre: ack tzviya

20:22:52 <liam> Liam: [reminder] we're here to talk about how to change the Web, all of the Web as necessary, to achieve the accessibility that pulishers & readers need

Liam Quin: [reminder] we're here to talk about how to change the Web, all of the Web as necessary, to achieve the accessibility that pulishers & readers need

20:23:14 <liam> tzviya: George is saying, if the content isn't accessible enough, maybe that's a recommendation we cam make to WCAG

Tzviya Siegman: George is saying, if the content isn't accessible enough, maybe that's a recommendation we cam make to WCAG

20:23:56 <liam> GK: I think when we get into bookmark or annotation or pagination do we ask WCAG?

George Kerscher: I think when we get into bookmark or annotation or pagination do we ask WCAG?

20:24:23 <liam> tzviya: one fundamental thing is if the content is not accessible we need to tell users how to make content accessible

Tzviya Siegman: one fundamental thing is if the content is not accessible we need to tell users how to make content accessible

20:24:33 <liam> so recommending that WCAG include that is itself a recommendation

so recommending that WCAG include that is itself a recommendation

20:24:50 <liam> Similarly we can comment on fragments/pagination and the whole annotations model

Similarly we can comment on fragments/pagination and the whole annotations model

20:24:55 <liam> and say what needs to be addressed

and say what needs to be addressed

20:25:04 <liam> GK: and we'd reference these things in our note.

Charles LaPierre: and we'd reference these things in our note.

20:25:10 <liam> s/GK/clapierre/
20:25:18 <clapierre> q?

Charles LaPierre: q?

20:25:35 <liam> GK: is there any discussion about pagination being an annotation?

George Kerscher: is there any discussion about pagination being an annotation?

20:25:52 <liam> e.g. to annotate print page boundaries

e.g. to annotate print page boundaries

20:26:27 <liam> tzviya: in the context of CSS, pagination means chunking into specific fragments, and interaction with DOM and scripts, doesn't just mean page numbers from print

Tzviya Siegman: in the context of CSS, pagination means chunking into specific fragments, and interaction with DOM and scripts, doesn't just mean page numbers from print

20:26:39 <liam> dkaplan3: so would that cover helping to reflow text when magnified?

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Unknown mia: so would that cover helping to reflow text when magnified?

20:26:46 <dkaplan3> s/dkaplan3/mia/
20:26:50 <liam> tzviya: yes. Work is being done in CSS to make a cleaner model

Tzviya Siegman: yes. Work is being done in CSS to make a cleaner model

20:28:10 <liam> clapierre: [discussion of meeting topics]

Charles LaPierre: [discussion of meeting topics]

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20:29:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.415.400.aaaa, +1.617.235.aabb, clapierre, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Jeanne, Liam, +1.415.400.aacc

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20:29:37 <liam> Next meeting same time next week

Next meeting same time next week

20:29:54 <liam> If you can please respond to Deborah's email today re. what could be missing from WCAG and friends

If you can please respond to Deborah's email today re. what could be missing from WCAG and friends

20:30:04 <Zakim> -Tzviya

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20:30:08 <liam> [adjourned]

[adjourned]

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20:30:11 <Zakim> -Jeanne

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20:30:31 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUB A1()4:00PM has ended

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20:30:31 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.415.400.aaaa, +1.617.235.aabb, clapierre, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Jeanne, Liam, +1.415.400.aacc

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20:32:09 <Livio> finished?

Livio Mondini: finished?

20:32:19 <clapierre> yeah thanks Livio

Charles LaPierre: yeah thanks Livio

20:32:28 <clapierre> sorry short meeting today

Charles LaPierre: sorry short meeting today

20:32:47 <Livio> so if i understand well discussion go on phone and here transcript?

Livio Mondini: so if i understand well discussion go on phone and here transcript?

20:34:10 <clapierre> yes. you could call in to hear the phone discussion as well

Charles LaPierre: yes. you could call in to hear the phone discussion as well

20:34:26 <clapierre> we try to get it all on irc but some is missed.

Charles LaPierre: we try to get it all on irc but some is missed.

20:34:35 <Livio> ok i understand

Livio Mondini: ok i understand

20:35:42 <Livio> so, next step? change the future? :)

Livio Mondini: so, next step? change the future? :)

20:36:47 <clapierre> call the DPUB's teleconference #.  not sure what it is where you live, umm could find out for you, but I have the US # if that helps

Charles LaPierre: call the DPUB's teleconference #. not sure what it is where you live, umm could find out for you, but I have the US # if that helps

20:38:06 <clapierre> here is the US/Canada info

Charles LaPierre: here is the US/Canada info

20:38:07 <clapierre> The Zakim bridge number is tel://+1.617.761.6200.

Charles LaPierre: The Zakim bridge number is tel://+1.617.761.6200.

20:38:07 <clapierre>

Charles LaPierre:

20:38:07 <clapierre> the code conference is 3782 ("DPUB"), followed by the # key.

Charles LaPierre: the code conference is 3782 ("DPUB"), followed by the # key.

20:38:27 <Livio> yes i have this references i think

Livio Mondini: yes i have this references i think

20:38:59 <clapierre> Great.  so yeah just call in next week at this time (well 40min earlier than now) and yeah you will be good to go on the call :)

Charles LaPierre: Great. so yeah just call in next week at this time (well 40min earlier than now) and yeah you will be good to go on the call :)

20:39:30 <clapierre> did you get the email from Deborah today?  if you can start thinking about that and email the group with what you have that would be great

Charles LaPierre: did you get the email from Deborah today? if you can start thinking about that and email the group with what you have that would be great

20:39:43 <Livio> yes i saw 5 min ago

Livio Mondini: yes i saw 5 min ago

20:40:43 <clapierre> great…ok thanks Livio, I am out of here have a great weekend.

Charles LaPierre: great…ok thanks Livio, I am out of here have a great weekend.

20:40:55 <Livio> same for you clapierre :)

Livio Mondini: same for you clapierre :)



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