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20:06:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
20:06:13 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2015
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20:07:39 <liam> scribenick: liam
20:08:07 <liam> clapierre, initial work nearly done but we have questions for WCAG as it related to dpub
20:08:27 <liam> that and we also asked our IG to look for dpub-specific items that may not be included already in WCAG
20:08:52 <liam> I'm wondering if we should the list out of non-related technique from WCAG as well as the one we still had qq regarding
20:08:54 <liam> and send to whom?
20:09:03 <liam> to try & figure what's relevant to dpub
20:09:20 <liam> George: is this a q of what's missing from WCAG?
20:09:32 <liam> clapierre: no, that's a different question
20:09:38 <liam> s/clapierre,/clapierre:/
20:10:01 <liam> it's where it wasn't a simple yes/no it affects dpub but there was a question
20:10:15 <liam> Do we bring it up in our own TF or in the DPUB IG
20:10:29 <liam> tzviya: looks like you have about 20 questions
20:10:36 <liam> clapierre: no, there's more than was in my email
20:11:03 <liam> tzviya: in the email you sent me there were actual items, I'm guessing between 20 & 30
20:11:09 <liam> Perhaps we should go through them on this call
20:13:14 <liam> George: I'm focused on epub3, in the consensus of what's an accessible product, there's standards & techniques and also an agreements about what's inside the publication
20:13:29 <liam> ...whether it's online, or downloadable.
20:13:47 <liam> I was tasked with this by DAISY; publishers keep asking what they should do.
20:13:55 <liam> clapierre: I think that's what we're trying to do here too.
20:14:09 <liam> We were planning on a Note on dpub best practices wrt a11y.
20:14:38 <tzviya> q+
20:14:49 <liam> GK: if we're using HTML techniques then I think we're good with epub and publishing on the Web
20:14:58 <liam> tzviya: we're trying to verify that
20:15:11 <liam> Are there concerns specific to publishing that WCAD has not thought of
20:15:16 <tzviya> s/tzviya/dkaplan3
20:15:41 <liam> GK: so when we talk about images there's extensive guielines; I've not seen imagemaps in digital publications.
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20:16:07 <liam> dkaplan3: E.g. annotations or pagination are things publishing has to care about but W3C a11y specs dont' speak about much yet
20:16:13 <Livio> hi
20:16:28 <liam> so what's in publishing and not well-handled is what we're looking for
20:17:04 <liam> tzviya: I think the disconnect is George is used to dealing with publishers; we've been looking at publishing a document that can describe best practices today for publishers;
20:17:19 <liam> we need a survery of W3C's documentation - is is relevant, does it address all the needs for publishers
20:17:33 <liam> And talking about best practices for publishers is a little different.
20:17:44 <Livio> this is true liam
20:17:55 <tzviya> q-
20:18:34 <liam> tzviya: so the immediate charter of the dpub IG is to include the survey of existing docs, we're almost done
20:18:43 <liam> step 2 is to change the future
20:19:35 <liam> GK: I'm still thinking what I'm talking about is different, not just technology, it's conformance and guidance to students on how they get more if the documents are not fully accessible but conform to A or AA but doesn't get the students passing grades
20:19:43 <liam> dkaplan3: that makes sense but I think it's something else
20:19:58 <liam> we're not only considering students. It's important.
20:20:35 <liam> It's sort of like providing alternatives; Old 508 said if you can't make this accessible you must provide an alternative that has the same information/functionality
20:20:55 <clapierre> s/dkaplan3/mia
20:21:09 <liam> Maybe having something like that, if you can't make this publication fully accessible you must provide some kind of guidance for a user on how they might obtain something in accessible format
20:21:14 <tzviya> q+
20:21:19 <liam> including professional learners
20:21:25 <clapierre> akk liam
20:21:28 <clapierre> ack liam
20:21:28 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to say we can change the future
20:22:43 <clapierre> ack tzviya
20:22:52 <liam> Liam: [reminder] we're here to talk about how to change the Web, all of the Web as necessary, to achieve the accessibility that pulishers & readers need
20:23:14 <liam> tzviya: George is saying, if the content isn't accessible enough, maybe that's a recommendation we cam make to WCAG
20:23:56 <liam> GK: I think when we get into bookmark or annotation or pagination do we ask WCAG?
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20:24:23 <liam> tzviya: one fundamental thing is if the content is not accessible we need to tell users how to make content accessible
20:24:33 <liam> so recommending that WCAG include that is itself a recommendation
20:24:50 <liam> Similarly we can comment on fragments/pagination and the whole annotations model
20:24:55 <liam> and say what needs to be addressed
20:25:04 <liam> GK: and we'd reference these things in our note.
20:25:10 <liam> s/GK/clapierre/
20:25:18 <clapierre> q?
20:25:35 <liam> GK: is there any discussion about pagination being an annotation?
20:25:52 <liam> e.g. to annotate print page boundaries
20:26:27 <liam> tzviya: in the context of CSS, pagination means chunking into specific fragments, and interaction with DOM and scripts, doesn't just mean page numbers from print
20:26:39 <liam> dkaplan3: so would that cover helping to reflow text when magnified?
20:26:46 <dkaplan3> s/dkaplan3/mia/
20:26:50 <liam> tzviya: yes. Work is being done in CSS to make a cleaner model
20:28:10 <liam> clapierre: [discussion of meeting topics]
20:29:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', liam.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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20:29:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.415.400.aaaa, +1.617.235.aabb, clapierre, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Jeanne, Liam, +1.415.400.aacc
20:29:37 <liam> Next meeting same time next week
20:29:54 <liam> If you can please respond to Deborah's email today re. what could be missing from WCAG and friends
20:30:04 <Zakim> -Tzviya
20:30:08 <liam> [adjourned]
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20:32:09 <Livio> finished?
20:32:19 <clapierre> yeah thanks Livio
20:32:28 <clapierre> sorry short meeting today
20:32:47 <Livio> so if i understand well discussion go on phone and here transcript?
20:34:10 <clapierre> yes. you could call in to hear the phone discussion as well
20:34:26 <clapierre> we try to get it all on irc but some is missed.
20:34:35 <Livio> ok i understand
20:35:42 <Livio> so, next step? change the future? :)
20:36:47 <clapierre> call the DPUB's teleconference #.  not sure what it is where you live, umm could find out for you, but I have the US # if that helps
20:38:06 <clapierre> here is the US/Canada info
20:38:07 <clapierre> The Zakim bridge number is tel://+1.617.761.6200.
20:38:07 <clapierre> 
20:38:07 <clapierre> the code conference is 3782 ("DPUB"), followed by the # key.
20:38:27 <Livio> yes i have this references i think
20:38:59 <clapierre> Great.  so yeah just call in next week at this time (well 40min earlier than now) and yeah you will be good to go on the call :)
20:39:30 <clapierre> did you get the email from Deborah today?  if you can start thinking about that and email the group with what you have that would be great
20:39:43 <Livio> yes i saw 5 min ago
20:40:43 <clapierre> great…ok thanks Livio, I am out of here have a great weekend.
20:40:55 <Livio> same for you clapierre :)
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