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16:00:45 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/17-dpub-irc
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16:00:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
16:00:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub ←
16:00:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started ←
16:00:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
16:00:50 <trackbot> Date: 17 November 2014
16:00:52 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here? ←
16:00:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, [Safari], +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, [Safari], +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc ←
16:00:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, ←
16:00:57 <Zakim> ... astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot ←
16:01:11 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaa has dauwhe
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaa has dauwhe ←
16:01:11 <Zakim> sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa' ←
16:01:13 <tzviya> zakim, aaee is Julie
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aaee is Julie ←
16:01:13 <Zakim> +Julie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Julie; got it ←
16:01:15 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
16:01:19 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaaa has dauwhe
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaaa has dauwhe ←
16:01:19 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it ←
16:01:21 <dkaplan3> zakim, aac is me
Deborah Kaplan: zakim, aac is me ←
16:01:21 <Zakim> sorry, dkaplan3, I do not recognize a party named 'aac'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dkaplan3, I do not recognize a party named 'aac' ←
16:01:23 <Zakim> +azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth ←
16:01:25 <liza> zakim, Safari is me
Liza Daly: zakim, Safari is me ←
16:01:25 <Zakim> +liza; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it ←
16:01:26 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
16:01:30 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaaa has philm
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaaa has philm ←
16:01:30 <Zakim> +philm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +philm; got it ←
16:01:36 <tzviya> zakim, is dkaplan3
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, is dkaplan3 ←
16:01:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'is dkaplan3', tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'is dkaplan3', tzviya ←
16:01:40 <dkaplan3> zakim, aacc is me
Deborah Kaplan: zakim, aacc is me ←
16:01:41 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it ←
16:01:47 <tzviya> zakim, aacc is dkaplan3
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aacc is dkaplan3 ←
16:01:47 <Zakim> sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc' ←
16:01:49 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here? ←
16:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga ←
16:01:51 <Zakim> +1.212.364.aaaa has philm
Zakim IRC Bot: +1.212.364.aaaa has philm ←
16:01:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, ←
16:01:51 <Zakim> ... dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot ←
16:01:51 <Zakim> +azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth ←
16:01:52 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:01:58 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane
Susann Keohane: zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane ←
16:01:58 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Susann_Keohane; got it ←
16:02:01 <Zakim> +Thierry
Zakim IRC Bot: +Thierry ←
16:02:05 <tzviya> zakim, aacc is dkaplan3
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aacc is dkaplan3 ←
16:02:05 <Zakim> sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc' ←
16:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.201.783.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.783.aaff ←
16:02:19 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi ←
16:02:26 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent] ←
16:02:32 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
Ben De Meester: zakim, Ugent is me ←
16:02:32 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bjdmeest; got it ←
16:02:33 <Zakim> +Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: +Stearns ←
16:02:38 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry, ←
16:02:40 <tzviya> zakim, who is here?
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:42 <Zakim> ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns ←
16:02:42 <Zakim> +1.212.364.aaaa has philm
Zakim IRC Bot: +1.212.364.aaaa has philm ←
16:02:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, ←
16:02:42 <Zakim> ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot ←
16:02:42 <astein> Zakim, 217 is Ayla Stein
Ayla Stein: Zakim, 217 is Ayla Stein ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry, ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> +1.212.364.aaaa has philm
Zakim IRC Bot: +1.212.364.aaaa has philm ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, ←
16:02:44 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
Ben De Meester: Present+ Ben_De_Meester ←
16:02:48 <Zakim> ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot ←
16:02:48 <Zakim> I don't understand '217 is Ayla Stein', astein
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '217 is Ayla Stein', astein ←
16:02:53 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
16:02:56 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
16:03:22 <tzviya> zakim, aadd is astein
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aadd is astein ←
16:03:22 <Zakim> +astein; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +astein; got it ←
16:03:28 <Karen> zakim, code?
Karen Myers: zakim, code? ←
16:03:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen ←
16:03:36 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is cutting sheet metal?
Zakim, who is cutting sheet metal? ←
16:03:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, dauwhe. ←
16:03:51 <tzviya> zakim, aaaa is pat_pagano
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aaaa is pat_pagano ←
16:03:51 <Zakim> +pat_pagano; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pat_pagano; got it ←
16:03:53 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's get going
Markus Gylling: let's get going ←
16:04:02 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers ←
16:04:07 <dauwhe> we will devote this call to metadata
we will devote this call to metadata ←
16:04:12 <tzviya> zakim, aadd is astein
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aadd is astein ←
16:04:12 <Zakim> sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd' ←
16:04:23 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
16:04:29 <tzviya> zakim who is here?
Tzviya Siegman: zakim who is here? ←
16:04:38 <dauwhe> mgylling: we'll go through your actions and talk about them
Markus Gylling: we'll go through your actions and talk about them ←
16:04:53 <dauwhe> ... we asked offline about figuring out what BISG is doing in this area
... we asked offline about figuring out what BISG is doing in this area ←
16:04:54 <tzviya> zakim, who is here?
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, pat_pagano, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, astein, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, pat_pagano, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, astein, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff, ←
16:04:57 <Zakim> ... madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, ??P18, Karen_Myers, Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: ... madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, ??P18, Karen_Myers, Bert ←
16:04:58 <Zakim> pat_pagano has philm
Zakim IRC Bot: pat_pagano has philm ←
16:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bert, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, ←
16:04:58 <Zakim> ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot ←
16:05:08 <dauwhe> ... so we asked Julie and Phil to be ready to outline what BISG is doing with metadata
... so we asked Julie and Phil to be ready to outline what BISG is doing with metadata ←
16:05:22 <dauwhe> ... we don't want to duplicate effort or create confusion
... we don't want to duplicate effort or create confusion ←
16:05:59 <dauwhe> ... we need to approve last week's minutes
... we need to approve last week's minutes ←
16:06:04 <tzviya> zakim, aaff is pbelfanti
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aaff is pbelfanti ←
16:06:04 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pbelfanti; got it ←
16:06:10 <dauwhe> Minutes approved.
Minutes approved. ←
16:06:51 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's start with metadata rather than administrivia
Markus Gylling: let's start with metadata rather than administrivia ←
16:07:01 <dauwhe> ... OK to start with Phil/Julie?
... OK to start with Phil/Julie? ←
16:07:15 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: let me start with task force
Bill Kasdorf: let me start with task force ←
16:07:22 <dauwhe> ... 3 assignments from tpac
... 3 assignments from tpac ←
16:07:30 <dauwhe> ... First, investigate identifiers as URIs
... First, investigate identifiers as URIs ←
16:07:40 <dauwhe> ... Second, educate people on RDF
... Second, educate people on RDF ←
16:07:53 <dauwhe> ... Third, update documentation we've compliled and turn into w3c note
... Third, update documentation we've compiled and turn into w3c note ←
16:08:00 <dauwhe> s/compliled/compiled/
16:08:15 <dauwhe> ... I'm now focused on this
... I'm now focused on this ←
16:08:30 <dauwhe> ... we have highly qualified volunteers
... we have highly qualified volunteers ←
16:08:36 <dauwhe> ... what should we call them?
... what should we call them? ←
16:08:44 <dauwhe> mgylling: they are deliverables
Markus Gylling: they are deliverables ←
16:09:28 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: If anyone else wants to participate, please volunteer
Bill Kasdorf: If anyone else wants to participate, please volunteer ←
16:09:42 <dauwhe> ... lots of suggestions for RDF educational resources
... lots of suggestions for RDF educational resources ←
16:09:59 <dauwhe> ... on IDs in URIs, I think issue is
... on IDs in URIs, I think issue is ←
16:10:14 <dauwhe> ... lots of IDs can and should be expressed as URIs to be actionable
... lots of IDs can and should be expressed as URIs to be actionable ←
16:10:26 <dauwhe> ... some of the organizations do suggest this (like CrossRef)
... some of the organizations do suggest this (like CrossRef) ←
16:10:43 <dauwhe> ... assemble a list of IDs
... assemble a list of IDs ←
16:10:47 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.585.217.aagg ←
16:10:56 <Zakim> -Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: -Stearns ←
16:11:10 <dauwhe> ... see if governing organazation suggests they be expressed as URI
... see if governing organization suggests they be expressed as URI ←
16:11:18 <dauwhe> s/organazation/organization
16:11:28 <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
David Stroup: I'm 585.217 ←
16:11:37 <Zakim> +Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: +Stearns ←
16:11:44 <dauwhe> ... for example, ISBN *can* be expressed as URI but is uncommon
... for example, ISBN *can* be expressed as URI but is uncommon ←
16:11:48 <tzviya> zakim, aagg is david_stroup
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aagg is david_stroup ←
16:11:48 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +david_stroup; got it ←
16:11:54 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
16:11:55 <dauwhe> ... what documentation/recommendations there are
... what documentation/recommendations there are ←
16:12:00 <dauwhe> ... then compile report
... then compile report ←
16:12:19 <dauwhe> ... so we can see where to go from here
... so we can see where to go from here ←
16:12:22 <dauwhe> ... RDF is similar
... RDF is similar ←
16:12:26 <dauwhe> ... we have volunteers
... we have volunteers ←
16:12:34 <azaroth> q+ to ask about "actionable"
Robert Sanderson: q+ to ask about "actionable" ←
16:12:38 <dauwhe> ... we just have to compile list of links to references
... we just have to compile list of links to references ←
16:12:48 <dauwhe> ... some targets libraries, some publishers, etc
... some targets libraries, some publishers, etc ←
16:13:04 <dauwhe> ... some are geeky and some are clear, plain language
... some are geeky and some are clear, plain language ←
16:13:10 <dauwhe> ... we need a gap analysis
... we need a gap analysis ←
16:13:14 <dauwhe> ... there's lots out there
... there's lots out there ←
16:13:26 <dauwhe> ... but publishers don't understand
... but publishers don't understand ←
16:13:33 <dauwhe> ... and lots of systems don't use RDF
... and lots of systems don't use RDF ←
16:14:00 <dauwhe> ... report by mid-December
... report by mid-December ←
16:14:07 <dauwhe> ... Madi, do you have anything to add?
... Madi, do you have anything to add? ←
16:14:13 <dauwhe> madi: we can run with this
Madi Solomon: we can run with this ←
16:14:24 <dauwhe> ... we also need explanation of why we need these reports
... we also need explanation of why we need these reports ←
16:14:30 <dauwhe> ... why URI? Why RDF?
... why URI? Why RDF? ←
16:14:54 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: [listing volunteers]
Bill Kasdorf: [listing volunteers] ←
16:15:15 <mgylling> ack azaroth
Markus Gylling: ack azaroth ←
16:15:15 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask about "actionable"
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to ask about "actionable" ←
16:15:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: we have a queue
Markus Gylling: we have a queue ←
16:15:39 <dauwhe> azaroth: the use of actionable uri and is that a requirement?
Robert Sanderson: the use of actionable uri and is that a requirement? ←
16:15:49 <dauwhe> ... there are URI identifiers that are *not* actionable
... there are URI identifiers that are *not* actionable ←
16:15:53 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: thanks
Bill Kasdorf: thanks ←
16:16:11 <dauwhe> ... one reason to express as URI is to make it actionable
... one reason to express as URI is to make it actionable ←
16:16:20 <dauwhe> ... but they are not necessarily actionable
... but they are not necessarily actionable ←
16:16:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK
Markus Gylling: OK ←
16:16:46 <dauwhe> ... open up for QA later, but let's ask about BISG
... open up for QA later, but let's ask about BISG ←
16:16:52 <dauwhe> Julie: I'll start
Julie Morris: I'll start ←
16:17:26 <dauwhe> ... the metadata committee focuses mostly on product metadata and ONIX
... the metadata committee focuses mostly on product metadata and ONIX ←
16:17:40 <dauwhe> ... one WG focuses on transition to ONIX3 in the U.S.
... one WG focuses on transition to ONIX3 in the U.S. ←
16:17:49 <dauwhe> ... one will map part of ONIX to schema.org
... one will map part of ONIX to schema.org ←
16:18:09 <dauwhe> ... a third will look at educational standards to build a keyword taxonomy
... a third will look at educational standards to build a keyword taxonomy ←
16:18:19 <dauwhe> ... this is not content level but product level, all tied to onix
... this is not content level but product level, all tied to onix ←
16:18:36 <dauwhe> ... the Identification Committee will be more relevant here, Phil is the chair
... the Identification Committee will be more relevant here, Phil is the chair ←
16:19:06 <dauwhe> ... there's interest in a work identifier
... there's interest in a work identifier ←
16:19:16 <dauwhe> philm: Re: metadata committee
Phil Madans: Re: metadata committee ←
16:19:30 <dauwhe> ... this committee will have something to do with RDF
... this committee will have something to do with RDF ←
16:19:40 <dauwhe> ... esp. if Graham is interested in an RDF version of ONIX
... esp. if Graham is interested in an RDF version of ONIX ←
16:19:51 <dauwhe> ... the committee has been only concerned with ONIX for years now
... the committee has been only concerned with ONIX for years now ←
16:20:12 <dauwhe> ... these groups have been involved within the book supply change
... these groups have been involved within the book supply change ←
16:20:19 <dauwhe> ... it was an isolated supply chain
... it was an isolated supply chain ←
16:20:21 <dauwhe> ... that's changing
... that's changing ←
16:20:29 <dauwhe> ... we need to look outside that supply chain
... we need to look outside that supply chain ←
16:20:40 <dauwhe> ... even books are sold at Target and Wall-mart now
... even books are sold at Target and Wall-mart now ←
16:20:52 <dauwhe> ... these are handled by independent distributors
... these are handled by independent distributors ←
16:21:06 <dauwhe> ... they handle the stocking and resupply, so we don't get involved
... they handle the stocking and resupply, so we don't get involved ←
16:21:16 <dauwhe> ... GS1 standard, for example...
... GS1 standard, for example... ←
16:21:22 <dauwhe> ... we have lots of conflicts with larger world
... we have lots of conflicts with larger world ←
16:21:29 <dauwhe> ... we use things in non-standard ways
... we use things in non-standard ways ←
16:21:40 <dauwhe> ... in ID committee, when we talk about work identifier
... in ID committee, when we talk about work identifier ←
16:21:46 <dauwhe> ... we want to get use cases
... we want to get use cases ←
16:21:54 <dauwhe> ... and to think outside the industry
... and to think outside the industry ←
16:22:19 <dauwhe> ... we've been talking about work identifier for a decade
... we've been talking about work identifier for a decade ←
16:22:25 <dauwhe> ... ISTC has not gained traction
... ISTC has not gained traction ←
16:22:42 <dauwhe> ... we've failed to define what a work identifier should be
... we've failed to define what a work identifier should be ←
16:22:49 <dauwhe> ... as different sectors have different ideas
... as different sectors have different ideas ←
16:23:01 <dauwhe> ... every possible manifiestation regardless of format?
... every possible manifiestation regardless of format? ←
16:23:11 <dauwhe> ... even across publishers or nations?
... even across publishers or nations? ←
16:23:16 <dauwhe> ... authors and agents like that.
... authors and agents like that. ←
16:23:22 <dauwhe> ... publishers and retailers don't like it
... publishers and retailers don't like it ←
16:23:36 <dauwhe> ... they want a collection identifier, to group together manifestations
... they want a collection identifier, to group together manifestations ←
16:23:45 <dauwhe> ... Moby-Dick. There are thousands of editions
... Moby-Dick. There are thousands of editions ←
16:23:55 <dauwhe> ... there's text, popub books, coloring books
... there's text, popup books, coloring books ←
16:24:05 <dauwhe> ... should all the manifestations show up in search?
... should all the manifestations show up in search? ←
16:24:10 <dauwhe> ... retailers want to control that
... retailers want to control that ←
16:24:11 <tzviya> s/popub/popup
16:24:20 <dauwhe> ... to get relevant results
... to get relevant results ←
16:24:34 <dauwhe> ... publishers want to collect all their manifestations, but not others
... publishers want to collect all their manifestations, but not others ←
16:24:45 <dauwhe> ... for Twilight, we had print rights but Random House had audio rights
... for Twilight, we had print rights but Random House had audio rights ←
16:25:01 <dauwhe> ... so that's how these discussions go
... so that's how these discussions go ←
16:25:01 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:25:07 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:25:09 <dauwhe> ... we fail to come to consensus
... we fail to come to consensus ←
16:25:24 <dauwhe> ... no one has come up with a problem so urgent that the work identifier is the solution
... no one has come up with a problem so urgent that the work identifier is the solution ←
16:25:39 <dauwhe> ... we've sorted this out, organization by organization
... we've sorted this out, organization by organization ←
16:25:48 <dauwhe> ... can link ISBNs together with related field
... can link ISBNs together with related field ←
16:26:00 <dauwhe> ... but haven't looked from a perspective beyond ONIX
... but haven't looked from a perspective beyond ONIX ←
16:26:11 <dauwhe> ... ISBN is being revised now
... ISBN is being revised now ←
16:26:23 <dauwhe> ... there is now a section on ISBN-A, which is an actionable ISBN
... there is now a section on ISBN-A, which is an actionable ISBN ←
16:26:29 <dauwhe> ... it will be in the user manual
... it will be in the user manual ←
16:26:41 <dauwhe> ... not sure when that will be published
... not sure when that will be published ←
16:26:58 <dauwhe> ... within the publishing industry, there are various sectors
... within the publishing industry, there are various sectors ←
16:27:07 <dauwhe> ... who have different ideas of what a work identifier should do
... who have different ideas of what a work identifier should do ←
16:27:19 <dauwhe> ... pick one sector that has a really good use case
... pick one sector that has a really good use case ←
16:27:26 <dauwhe> ... that shows the value, then other sectors will follow
... that shows the value, then other sectors will follow ←
16:27:31 <dauwhe> ... that hasn't happened yet
... that hasn't happened yet ←
16:27:35 <dauwhe> ... same thing with RDF
... same thing with RDF ←
16:27:50 <dauwhe> ... it's been hard even to upgrade from ONIX 2 to ONIX 3
... it's been hard even to upgrade from ONIX 2 to ONIX 3 ←
16:28:01 <dauwhe> ... four or five years after ONIX 3 was published
... four or five years after ONIX 3 was published ←
16:28:11 <dauwhe> ... publishers are not technology companies
... publishers are not technology companies ←
16:28:23 <dauwhe> ... takes a really good use case to get us to do these things
... takes a really good use case to get us to do these things ←
16:28:43 <dauwhe> ... if the system works, like ONIX, the bar is very high
... if the system works, like ONIX, the bar is very high ←
16:29:02 <dauwhe> ... "how will this get more books out there, connect with the reader"
... "how will this get more books out there, connect with the reader" ←
16:29:25 <dauwhe> ... perhaps Social media or author pages will provide a use case
... perhaps Social media or author pages will provide a use case ←
16:29:34 <dauwhe> ... even to get other publishers to join W3C
... even to get other publishers to join W3C ←
16:29:45 <dauwhe> ... have to connect with business case
... have to connect with business case ←
16:29:50 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:30:03 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
16:30:06 <dauwhe> tzviya: sounds like there are a few things that BISG does
Tzviya Siegman: sounds like there are a few things that BISG does ←
16:30:14 <dauwhe> ... educating publishers about what exists
... educating publishers about what exists ←
16:30:18 <Karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
16:30:33 <dauwhe> ... and an effort to create a uniformity in the way of things are being done, like a work ID
... and an effort to create a uniformity in the way of things are being done, like a work ID ←
16:30:36 <dauwhe> Julie: yes.
Julie Morris: yes. ←
16:30:40 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
Zakim IRC Bot: -pbelfanti ←
16:30:49 <dauwhe> ... most of our work is a cycle of identifying pain points
... most of our work is a cycle of identifying pain points ←
16:30:58 <dauwhe> ... doing research and creating standards
... doing research and creating standards ←
16:31:05 <Zakim> +pbelfanti
Zakim IRC Bot: +pbelfanti ←
16:31:09 <dauwhe> ... also with documents and events
... also with documents and events ←
16:31:11 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←
16:31:22 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Could you mention the subject codes committee
Bill Kasdorf: Could you mention the subject codes committee ←
16:31:37 <dauwhe> ... people might not understand difference between BISAC and ONIX
... people might not understand difference between BISAC and ONIX ←
16:31:45 <dauwhe> ... BISAC is subject classifications
... BISAC is subject classifications ←
16:31:50 <dauwhe> ... and we work on Thema
... and we work on Thema ←
16:32:06 <dauwhe> ... both of those are data points within ONIX
... both of those are data points within ONIX ←
16:32:33 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: those are two examples of not just educating but being responsible for the standards
Bill Kasdorf: those are two examples of not just educating but being responsible for the standards ←
16:32:46 <mgylling> ack Karen
Markus Gylling: ack Karen ←
16:33:05 <dauwhe> Karen: Phil, you mentioned adoption of ONIX 3 is slow. Is that just US?
Karen Myers: Phil, you mentioned adoption of ONIX 3 is slow. Is that just US? ←
16:33:16 <dauwhe> philm: ONIX 3 is strong in new markets
Phil Madans: ONIX 3 is strong in new markets ←
16:33:20 <laudrain> +q
Luc Audrain: +q ←
16:33:31 <dauwhe> ... slower in UK, France is quicker than US
... slower in UK, France is quicker than US ←
16:33:41 <dauwhe> ... globally, we haven't been asked for ONIX3 internationally
... globally, we haven't been asked for ONIX3 internationally ←
16:34:06 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I always thought it was publishers dragging their feet due to their existing systems
Bill Kasdorf: I always thought it was publishers dragging their feet due to their existing systems ←
16:34:24 <dauwhe> ... but Phil pointed out that the problem is the retailers and recipients requiring ONIX 2
... but Phil pointed out that the problem is the retailers and recipients requiring ONIX 2 ←
16:34:35 <dauwhe> ... [insert chicken/egg metaphor]
... [insert chicken/egg metaphor] ←
16:35:00 <dauwhe> philm: Yes. Publishers are very reactive.
Phil Madans: Yes. Publishers are very reactive. ←
16:35:14 <dauwhe> ... we react to what our customers want from us, as any supplier does
... we react to what our customers want from us, as any supplier does ←
16:35:18 <dauwhe> ... we have limited resources
... we have limited resources ←
16:35:35 <dauwhe> ... if the recipients say we will require this in six months, we'd do it
... if the recipients say we will require this in six months, we'd do it ←
16:35:43 <dauwhe> ... but without knowing that it's hard to schedule
... but without knowing that it's hard to schedule ←
16:35:53 <dauwhe> ... if no one's gonna take it, why send it?
... if no one's gonna take it, why send it? ←
16:36:05 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: it's better
Bill Kasdorf: it's better ←
16:36:22 <dauwhe> Julie: we want to create a grid of up and downstream support
Julie Morris: we want to create a grid of up and downstream support ←
16:36:27 <mgylling> ack laudrain
Markus Gylling: ack laudrain ←
16:36:35 <Karen> +1 grid of ONIX 3
Karen Myers: +1 grid of ONIX 3 ←
16:36:43 <dauwhe> philm: we've been able to create oNIX 3 for a year
Phil Madans: we've been able to create oNIX 3 for a year ←
16:36:49 <dauwhe> ... just started sending it out last week
... just started sending it out last week ←
16:36:54 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:37:05 <dauwhe> ... transparency will help
... transparency will help ←
16:37:18 <dauwhe> laudrain: in France ONIX 3 position is much better
Luc Audrain: in France ONIX 3 position is much better ←
16:37:31 <dauwhe> ... been pushing for several months, several retailers accepting it
... been pushing for several months, several retailers accepting it ←
16:37:46 <dauwhe> ... 50% in France using ONIX 3
... 50% in France using ONIX 3 ←
16:37:54 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:37:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's focus on what IG can do
Markus Gylling: let's focus on what IG can do ←
16:38:04 <dauwhe> tzviya: that's what I was going to say
Tzviya Siegman: that's what I was going to say ←
16:38:27 <dauwhe> mgylling: what are your views in terms of W3C and this IG's involvement moving forward
Markus Gylling: what are your views in terms of W3C and this IG's involvement moving forward ←
16:38:46 <dauwhe> ... is there any low-hanging topics that would be ideal for W3C to focus on?
... is there any low-hanging topics that would be ideal for W3C to focus on? ←
16:39:13 <dauwhe> philm: I think what the publishing industry needs clarity on what these things are and how to incorporate into web page
Phil Madans: I think what the publishing industry needs clarity on what these things are and how to incorporate into web page ←
16:39:32 <dauwhe> ... if that's the recommendation on how to embed metadata into a web page, that's what they're looking for
... if that's the recommendation on how to embed metadata into a web page, that's what they're looking for ←
16:39:45 <dauwhe> ... so if W3C is saying this, it helps for publishers to say we have a working framework
... so if W3C is saying this, it helps for publishers to say we have a working framework ←
16:39:53 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
16:39:54 <dauwhe> Julie: I agree
Julie Morris: I agree ←
16:40:12 <dauwhe> ... what would help is greater education about web technologies
... what would help is greater education about web technologies ←
16:40:24 <dauwhe> ... the work that Bill is talking about, gathering RDF resources
... the work that Bill is talking about, gathering RDF resources ←
16:40:34 <dauwhe> ... we can raise that as topic in BISG metadata committee
... we can raise that as topic in BISG metadata committee ←
16:40:41 <dauwhe> ... an easy way to start a conversation
... an easy way to start a conversation ←
16:40:45 <dauwhe> ... and see if there are next steps
... and see if there are next steps ←
16:40:59 <dauwhe> philm: If we can get use cases from outside the publishing industry where this works
Phil Madans: If we can get use cases from outside the publishing industry where this works ←
16:41:01 <dauwhe> ... it will help
... it will help ←
16:41:14 <dauwhe> ... if we see something working somewhere else, that will really help
... if we see something working somewhere else, that will really help ←
16:41:22 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I was going to say the same thing
Bill Kasdorf: I was going to say the same thing ←
16:41:23 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:41:33 <dauwhe> ... RDF is widely understood and used in libraries
... RDF is widely understood and used in libraries ←
16:41:48 <dauwhe> ... IPTC is major proponent of RDF
... IPTC is major proponent of RDF ←
16:42:01 <dauwhe> ... [insert chicken-and-egg metaphor]
... [insert chicken-and-egg metaphor] ←
16:42:03 <mgylling> ack TimCole
Markus Gylling: ack TimCole ←
16:42:31 <dauwhe> TimCole: I'd say library communitiy is just starting with RDF
Timothy Cole: I'd say library communitiy is just starting with RDF ←
16:42:49 <dauwhe> ... W3C can't tell publishing community that this is the right standard for this identifier
... W3C can't tell publishing community that this is the right standard for this identifier ←
16:43:02 <dauwhe> ... there won't be a single canonical ID
... there won't be a single canonical ID ←
16:43:12 <dauwhe> ... there will be lots of smaller IDs taht need to be connected
... there will be lots of smaller IDs that need to be connected ←
16:43:19 <dauwhe> s/taht/that/
16:43:28 <dauwhe> ... RDF can do this connection
... RDF can do this connection ←
16:43:32 <Karen> +1 Tim's clarification on RDF value
Karen Myers: +1 Tim's clarification on RDF value ←
16:43:41 <dauwhe> ... shared identifiers
... shared identifiers ←
16:43:59 <dauwhe> ... in a few weeks we'll talk about reconciliation services between identifiers
... in a few weeks we'll talk about reconciliation services between identifiers ←
16:44:29 <dauwhe> ... someone has to connect publisher ID and retailer ID
... someone has to connect publisher ID and retailer ID ←
16:44:30 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:44:58 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: identifiers embedded in identifiers
Bill Kasdorf: identifiers embedded in identifiers ←
16:45:17 <dauwhe> ... an ISBN-A is an ISBN with a DOI in it expressed as a URI, so in fact it's all three
... an ISBN-A is an ISBN with a DOI in it expressed as a URI, so in fact it's all three ←
16:45:25 <dauwhe> tzviya: We're going in circles
Tzviya Siegman: We're going in circles ←
16:45:29 <dauwhe> ... let's take a step back
... let's take a step back ←
16:45:51 <dauwhe> ... it would be beneficial for the publishing community to learn about how linked data can be helpful (like BBC)
... it would be beneficial for the publishing community to learn about how linked data can be helpful (like BBC) ←
16:46:09 <dauwhe> ... or tell people to read books about linked data
... or tell people to read books about linked data ←
16:46:35 <dauwhe> ... how can BISG and DPUB work together without stepping on feet
... how can BISG and DPUB work together without stepping on feet ←
16:46:44 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
16:46:47 <dauwhe> ... BISG is US-centric, W3C is international
... BISG is US-centric, W3C is international ←
16:47:02 <dauwhe> Julie: We are U.S. focused and U.S. based
Julie Morris: We are U.S. focused and U.S. based ←
16:47:30 <dauwhe> ... but not exclusive
... but not exclusive ←
16:47:58 <dauwhe> ... we're focused on global standards but serving the US market
... we're focused on global standards but serving the US market ←
16:48:18 <dauwhe> ... can we take another look at action items and make sure they're on track
... can we take another look at action items and make sure they're on track ←
16:48:31 <dauwhe> ... and aligned with what the larger publishing world is trying to accomplist
... and aligned with what the larger publishing world is trying to accomplist ←
16:48:48 <dauwhe> ... based on what phil says, releasing a guide on RDF won't have much traction
... based on what phil says, releasing a guide on RDF won't have much traction ←
16:49:12 <dauwhe> ... but maybe we want to talk about examples in the wider world where this is used
... but maybe we want to talk about examples in the wider world where this is used ←
16:49:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: our action items were intended to be preparatory for that
Bill Kasdorf: our action items were intended to be preparatory for that ←
16:49:52 <dauwhe> ... the whole point of that work item was to see what's out there and point people to it
... the whole point of that work item was to see what's out there and point people to it ←
16:50:07 <dauwhe> tzviya: there was another action to develope list of IDs to express as URIs
Tzviya Siegman: there was another action to develope list of IDs to express as URIs ←
16:50:26 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the point of that work item was to find the gaps
Bill Kasdorf: the point of that work item was to find the gaps ←
16:50:47 <dauwhe> ... at TPAC someone pointed out an org that had misleading guidance about using an identifier as URI
... at TPAC someone pointed out an org that had misleading guidance about using an identifier as URI ←
16:50:54 <dauwhe> ... the point was to give a sense of the issue
... the point was to give a sense of the issue ←
16:51:07 <dauwhe> ... the gap between recommendation and practice
... the gap between recommendation and practice ←
16:51:19 <dauwhe> ... it wasn't a master resource
... it wasn't a master resource ←
16:51:22 <dauwhe> ... BISG has that
... BISG has that ←
16:51:46 <dauwhe> ... I see them as assessing the landscape, not publishing a product
... I see them as assessing the landscape, not publishing a product ←
16:52:03 <dauwhe> ... to what extent is there understanding or use of (RDF | ID as URI)
... to what extent is there understanding or use of (RDF | ID as URI) ←
16:52:17 <dauwhe> ... but we do need concrete examples and use cases
... but we do need concrete examples and use cases ←
16:52:39 <dauwhe> mgylling: there are publishers that are using RDF, like inkling and benetech
Markus Gylling: there are publishers that are using RDF, like inkling and benetech ←
16:52:50 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: pointing to a realistic thing like that is good
Bill Kasdorf: pointing to a realistic thing like that is good ←
16:53:18 <dauwhe> mgylling: you're agreeing with Julie and Phil's suggestions on end product
Markus Gylling: you're agreeing with Julie and Phil's suggestions on end product ←
16:53:27 <dauwhe> ... and your current actions are steps on the way there
... and your current actions are steps on the way there ←
16:53:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: yes
Bill Kasdorf: yes ←
16:53:35 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK
Markus Gylling: OK ←
16:53:41 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:53:57 <dauwhe> tzviya: it does make sense to survey the landscape
Tzviya Siegman: it does make sense to survey the landscape ←
16:54:15 <dauwhe> ... I'm concerned we're asking a lot of a small group of people to survey the landscape
... I'm concerned we're asking a lot of a small group of people to survey the landscape ←
16:54:32 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: how much does this have to be comprehensive vs illustrative
Bill Kasdorf: how much does this have to be comprehensive vs illustrative ←
16:55:09 <dauwhe> ... neither of this things would result in a publishable product
... neither of this things would result in a publishable product ←
16:55:38 <dauwhe> mgylling: which digital publishers are already doing this? what are their problems/benefits?
Markus Gylling: which digital publishers are already doing this? what are their problems/benefits? ←
16:55:44 <dauwhe> ... primarily RDF
... primarily RDF ←
16:56:08 <dauwhe> ... the basic charter imperatives is that we're supposed to identify areas where OWP needs to change
... the basic charter imperatives is that we're supposed to identify areas where OWP needs to change ←
16:56:12 <dauwhe> ... I'm not seeing that here
... I'm not seeing that here ←
16:56:34 <dauwhe> ... this is about information and about changing how business is done
... this is about information and about changing how business is done ←
16:56:42 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: true
Bill Kasdorf: true ←
16:56:48 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:56:50 <dauwhe> mgylling: any other questions
Markus Gylling: any other questions ←
16:56:55 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Karen?
Bill Kasdorf: Karen? ←
16:57:09 <dauwhe> Karen: yes, we covered my Q about international focus and deliverables
Karen Myers: yes, we covered my Q about international focus and deliverables ←
16:57:10 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
Zakim IRC Bot: -Susann_Keohane ←
16:57:42 <dauwhe> mgylling: I agree with Tzviya's points, we should incorporate a certain amount of worry about time
Markus Gylling: I agree with Tzviya's points, we should incorporate a certain amount of worry about time ←
16:58:03 <dauwhe> ... we don't want to become yet another organization caught in the maelstrom
... we don't want to become yet another organization caught in the maelstrom ←
16:58:17 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: we have only weeks before our first action items are due
Bill Kasdorf: we have only weeks before our first action items are due ←
16:58:43 <dauwhe> mgylling: two minutes left, so we have to cut this off
Markus Gylling: two minutes left, so we have to cut this off ←
16:58:57 <dauwhe> ... the only agenda item we didn't get to was next week's call
... the only agenda item we didn't get to was next week's call ←
16:59:17 <dauwhe> ... may not be a good idea due to the U.S. Thanksgiving Holiday
... may not be a good idea due to the U.S. Thanksgiving Holiday ←
16:59:28 <Zakim> -Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: -Stearns ←
16:59:38 <Karen> I'll be working
Karen Myers: I'll be working ←
17:00:00 <azaroth> Regrets for the next three weeks running (thx giving, reconciliation meeting, CNI conference)
Robert Sanderson: Regrets for the next three weeks running (thx giving, reconciliation meeting, CNI conference) ←
17:00:08 <dauwhe> dauwhe: can talk about CSS stuff next week
Dave Cramer: can talk about CSS stuff next week ←
17:00:13 <Zakim> -pkra
Zakim IRC Bot: -pkra ←
17:00:16 <pkra> sorry, gotta run.
Peter Krautzberger: sorry, gotta run. ←
17:00:25 <dauwhe> mgylling: can look at Page DOM too, if Brady is around
Markus Gylling: can look at Page DOM too, if Brady is around ←
17:00:32 <dauwhe> mgylling: thanks everyone
Markus Gylling: thanks everyone ←
17:00:38 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
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17:00:41 <Zakim> -Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Markus ←
17:00:42 <Zakim> -Julie
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17:00:42 <Zakim> -madi
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17:00:43 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
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17:00:43 <Zakim> -TimCole
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17:00:43 <Zakim> -pat_pagano
Scribe problem: the name 'pat_pagano' does not match any of the 86 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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17:00:44 <Zakim> -azaroth
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17:00:44 <Zakim> -Luc
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17:00:45 <Zakim> -clapierre
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17:36:42 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:36:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/17-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
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18:01:33 <Zakim> -Thierry
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18:06:33 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, liza, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, liza, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM ←
18:06:34 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
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18:06:34 <Zakim> Attendees were clapierre, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc, Julie, duga, dauwhe, azaroth, liza, philm,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were clapierre, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc, Julie, duga, dauwhe, azaroth, liza, philm, ←
18:06:35 <Zakim> ... dkaplan3, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, astein, pat_pagano, Karen_Myers, Bert, pbelfanti, +1.585.217.aagg, david_stroup
Zakim IRC Bot: ... dkaplan3, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, astein, pat_pagano, Karen_Myers, Bert, pbelfanti, +1.585.217.aagg, david_stroup ←
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