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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 06 October 2014

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Alan Stearns, Ayla Stein, Ben De Meester, Bert Bos, Bill Kasdorf, Brady Duga, Charles LaPierre, Dave Cramer, Deborah Kaplan, Frederick Hirsch, Ivan Herman, Karen Myers, Laura Dawson, Laura Fowler, Liza Daly, Luc Audrain, Markus Gylling, Michael Miller, Paul Belfanti, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Robert Sanderson, Shinyu Murakami, Thierry Michel, Timothy Cole, Tzviya Siegman, Vladimir Levantovsky
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14:16:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:16:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

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14:16:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 44 minutes

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14:16:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:16:34 <trackbot> Date: 06 October 2014
14:16:59 <tzviya> i'll be on the phone in a moment

Tzviya Siegman: i'll be on the phone in a moment

14:19:10 <ivan> tzviya, there is still more than half an hour

Ivan Herman: tzviya, there is still more than half an hour

14:19:38 <mgylling> tzviya, the edits are pushed to the repo btw

Markus Gylling: tzviya, the edits are pushed to the repo btw

14:20:00 <mgylling> thanks to Ivan’s  quick adding of me as a member

Markus Gylling: thanks to Ivan’s quick adding of me as a member

14:20:12 <tzviya> thank you

Tzviya Siegman: thank you

14:20:28 <tzviya> did you want to discuss rich's questions?

Tzviya Siegman: did you want to discuss rich's questions?

14:57:49 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started

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14:57:57 <Zakim> +astearns

Zakim IRC Bot: +astearns

14:58:09 <Zakim> +clapierre

Zakim IRC Bot: +clapierre

14:58:30 <Zakim> +Markus

Zakim IRC Bot: +Markus

14:58:53 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:58:53 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

14:58:55 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

14:58:57 <mgylling> regrets: Luc Audrain, Michael Miller, Vladimir Levantovsky, Timothy Cole, Laura Fowler, Liza Daly
14:59:20 <Zakim> +Tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya

14:59:33 <Zakim> +pkra

Zakim IRC Bot: +pkra

14:59:38 <Zakim> +astein

Zakim IRC Bot: +astein

14:59:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:59:59 <Karen> zakim, code?

Karen Myers: zakim, code?

14:59:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen

15:00:01 <Zakim> +[Safari]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Safari]

15:00:12 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is Bill

Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller is Bill

15:00:12 <Zakim> +Bill; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill; got it

15:00:13 <Zakim> +dauwhe

Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe

15:00:28 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers

15:00:30 <dkaplan3> zakim, [Safari] is me

Deborah Kaplan: zakim, [Safari] is me

15:00:30 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it

15:00:31 <Zakim> +LauraD

Zakim IRC Bot: +LauraD

15:00:49 <ivan> zakim, Bill is Bill_Kasdorf

Ivan Herman: zakim, Bill is Bill_Kasdorf

15:00:49 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it

15:00:50 <Zakim> +[Ugent]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent]

15:00:57 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me

Ben De Meester: zakim, Ugent is me

15:00:57 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bjdmeest; got it

15:01:06 <bjdmeest> zakim, mute me

Ben De Meester: zakim, mute me

15:01:06 <Zakim> bjdmeest should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bjdmeest should now be muted

15:01:15 <Zakim> +philm

Zakim IRC Bot: +philm

15:01:28 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:01:42 <murakami> zakim, ??P26 is me

Shinyu Murakami: zakim, ??P26 is me

15:01:42 <Zakim> +murakami; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +murakami; got it

15:02:15 <Zakim> +azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth

15:02:29 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?

Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here?

15:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami, azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami, azaroth

15:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, liam, astearns,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, liam, astearns,

15:02:32 <Zakim> ... plinss, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... plinss, trackbot

15:02:38 <Karen> Scribe: Karen

(Scribe set to Karen Myers)

15:02:50 <Zakim> + +1.201.783.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.783.aaaa

15:03:15 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is pbelfanti

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is pbelfanti

15:03:15 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pbelfanti; got it

15:03:38 <mgylling> last weeks minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-dpub-minutes.html

Markus Gylling: last weeks minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-dpub-minutes.html

15:03:39 <Karen> Markus: Thanks everybody for joining today

Markus Gylling: Thanks everybody for joining today

15:03:50 <Karen> …Can we approve last week's minute?

…Can we approve last week's minute?

15:03:58 <Karen> …Please speak up if you do not want to approve

…Please speak up if you do not want to approve

15:04:01 <Karen> [Silence]

[Silence]

15:04:06 <Karen> …Ok, perfect [approved]

…Ok, perfect [approved]

15:04:10 <mgylling> TPAC agenda: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F

Markus Gylling: TPAC agenda: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F

15:04:14 <Karen> …Today we have a pretty stable agenda for TPAC

…Today we have a pretty stable agenda for TPAC

15:04:15 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

15:04:20 <Karen> …let's see what remains to do for meeting bookings

…let's see what remains to do for meeting bookings

15:04:24 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aabb - is perhaps Bernard

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aabb - is perhaps Bernard

15:04:30 <tmichel> zakim, ??P4 is me

Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P4 is me

15:04:30 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it

15:04:43 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Bert

Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Bert

15:04:43 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

15:04:55 <Karen> Markus: So to TPAC agenda page

Markus Gylling: So to TPAC agenda page

15:05:01 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?

Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here?

15:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami (muted), azaroth,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami (muted), azaroth,

15:05:05 <Zakim> ... pbelfanti, tmichel, Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: ... pbelfanti, tmichel, Bert

15:05:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Bert, pbelfanti, azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Bert, pbelfanti, azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe,

15:05:05 <Zakim> ... Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot

15:05:08 <Karen> …let's being with a check-in with the ones we are stable with

…let's being with a check-in with the ones we are stable with

15:05:25 <dkaplan3> mailto:%6b%61%74%69%65@%74%68%65%72%65%61%6c%6b%61%74%69%65.%6e%65%74

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Unknown mailto: %6b%61%74%69%65@%74%68%65%72%65%61%6c%6b%61%74%69%65.%6e%65%74 [ Scribe Assist by Deborah Kaplan ]

15:05:27 <Karen> …on the Friday afternoon the presentation by Internationalization with Richard Ishida between 3-4pm is booked

…on the Friday afternoon the presentation by Internationalization with Richard Ishida between 3-4pm is booked

15:05:47 <Karen> …Tzviya, that meeting with Janina in Protocols and Formats WG is set?

…Tzviya, that meeting with Janina in Protocols and Formats WG is set?

15:05:55 <Karen> Tzviya: She proposed two sessions

Tzviya Siegman: She proposed two sessions

15:05:58 <Karen> …2pm on Thursday

…2pm on Thursday

15:06:15 <Karen> …to talk for 90 minutes to talk about structural semantics and general accessibility concerns

…to talk for 90 minutes to talk about structural semantics and general accessibility concerns

15:06:33 <Karen> …and then picking up at 4:00pm to talk about some of issues that ETF had raised about personalization

…and then picking up at 4:00pm to talk about some of issues that ETF had raised about personalization

15:06:40 <Karen> …May be good time to bring in people from SVG as well

…May be good time to bring in people from SVG as well

15:06:46 <Karen> …but we have not yet reached out to them

…but we have not yet reached out to them

15:06:57 <Karen> Markus: We had proposed a recap session at that time, but that is easy to move

Markus Gylling: We had proposed a recap session at that time, but that is easy to move

15:07:05 <Karen> …first one is 14:00-15:30 with P&F

…first one is 14:00-15:30 with P&F

15:07:07 <Karen> …then break

…then break

15:07:10 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:07:14 <Karen> …then 16:00 to when?

…then 16:00 to when?

15:07:29 <Karen> Tzviya: She [Janina] had proposed to 18:00

Tzviya Siegman: She [Janina] had proposed to 18:00

15:07:34 <Karen> …but she has not yet discussed with others

…but she has not yet discussed with others

15:07:41 <Karen> Markus: I'll work on the SVG invitation

Markus Gylling: I'll work on the SVG invitation

15:07:44 <Karen> …Ok, great

…Ok, great

15:07:55 <Karen> …If that is what they are reserving, we should take the bait

…If that is what they are reserving, we should take the bait

15:08:00 <Karen> …have you confirmed, Tzviya?

…have you confirmed, Tzviya?

15:08:04 <Karen> Tzviya: yes

Tzviya Siegman: yes

15:08:06 <Karen> Markus: Great

Markus Gylling: Great

15:08:18 <Karen> …Then where do we book the Books in Browsers recap session?

…Then where do we book the Books in Browsers recap session?

15:08:29 <Karen> …It's likely to have presentations that we want to circle back on during our meeting

…It's likely to have presentations that we want to circle back on during our meeting

15:08:37 <Karen> …We need a suitable slot for that

…We need a suitable slot for that

15:08:49 <Karen> Ivan: I idid not realize P&F needed the whole afternoon

Ivan Herman: I idid not realize P&F needed the whole afternoon

15:08:56 <Karen> Tzviya: not sure if we need the whole time

Tzviya Siegman: not sure if we need the whole time

15:09:08 <Karen> Markus: Should we do 16:00-17:00 for the second slot?

Markus Gylling: Should we do 16:00-17:00 for the second slot?

15:09:11 <Karen> Ivan: yes

Ivan Herman: yes

15:09:22 <Karen> …we cannot spend whole afternoon only on it

…we cannot spend whole afternoon only on it

15:09:34 <fjh> zakim, code?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code?

15:09:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

15:09:34 <Karen> Markus: But we are doing pagination for the morning! [smiles]

Markus Gylling: But we are doing pagination for the morning! [smiles]

15:09:40 <Karen> Ivan: Yes, because it's core!

Ivan Herman: Yes, because it's core!

15:09:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:09:45 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, ipcaller is me

15:09:45 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it

15:09:53 <Karen> Markus: Dave, speaking of pagination, how are things going for that Thursday morning sessions

Markus Gylling: Dave, speaking of pagination, how are things going for that Thursday morning sessions

15:10:03 <Karen> Dave: I am working on it; brought it up to CSS on last call

Dave Cramer: I am working on it; brought it up to CSS on last call

15:10:17 <Karen> …I am writing now and they asked to say who are most important people [for this session]

…I am writing now and they asked to say who are most important people [for this session]

15:10:25 <Karen> Bert: There will be people from CSS; I will be there, too

Bert Bos: There will be people from CSS; I will be there, too

15:10:35 <Karen> …Smart to send an email and see who will be there prceisely

…Smart to send an email and see who will be there prceisely

15:10:44 <Karen> Markus: Let me see…two outstanding things is invitations

Markus Gylling: Let me see…two outstanding things is invitations

15:10:51 <Karen> …invitees from CSS for Thursday morning

…invitees from CSS for Thursday morning

15:11:03 <Karen> …and I need to invite the SVG WG for second session with PF on Thursday afternoon

…and I need to invite the SVG WG for second session with PF on Thursday afternoon

15:11:05 <Karen> q+

q+

15:11:15 <Karen> Markus: It says the Friday morning STEM session is a placeholder

Markus Gylling: It says the Friday morning STEM session is a placeholder

15:11:21 <Karen> …Peter, have you confirmed a pre-brief?

…Peter, have you confirmed a pre-brief?

15:11:24 <Karen> Peter: right

Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Peter: right

15:11:29 <Karen> …i don't remember why we made it a place holder

…i don't remember why we made it a place holder

15:11:35 <Karen> …I can make the time and give an update

…I can make the time and give an update

15:11:42 <Karen> …on where we are and spawn a discussion

…on where we are and spawn a discussion

15:11:44 <Karen> Markus: great

Markus Gylling: great

15:11:53 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:11:56 <Karen> Peter: I remember now why it's a placeholder; I was not sure how much progress we would have

Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Peter: I remember now why it's a placeholder; I was not sure how much progress we would have

15:12:07 <Karen> …it is still an open problem for me; speed is not what I would have liked

…it is still an open problem for me; speed is not what I would have liked

15:12:11 <Karen> …would like to take it up

…would like to take it up

15:12:22 <Karen> …no news on that end; have some calls this week, my own time is fuzzy

…no news on that end; have some calls this week, my own time is fuzzy

15:12:37 <Karen> Markus: I just removed the placeholder marker, so consider yourself booked

Markus Gylling: I just removed the placeholder marker, so consider yourself booked

15:12:46 <Karen> …We have generous lunch breaks; three hours both days

…We have generous lunch breaks; three hours both days

15:12:57 <Karen> …not about eating pastries for 3 hours; it's intended for ad hoc meetings

…not about eating pastries for 3 hours; it's intended for ad hoc meetings

15:13:07 <Karen> Ivan: and we are already using some of it on Thursday

Ivan Herman: and we are already using some of it on Thursday

15:13:16 <Karen> Markus: yes, from 4 to 3 hours originally

Markus Gylling: yes, from 4 to 3 hours originally

15:13:25 <Karen> …Any questions suggestions or remarks

…Any questions suggestions or remarks

15:13:33 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:13:36 <Karen> ack Karen

ack Karen

15:13:36 <mgylling> ack Karen

Markus Gylling: ack Karen

15:14:10 <tzviya> karen: we are expecting some observer guests from organizations that are considering membership

Karen Myers: we are expecting some observer guests from organizations that are considering membership [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ]

15:14:52 <Karen> Markus: We will give them a warm-hearted welcome

Markus Gylling: We will give them a warm-hearted welcome

15:14:56 <tzviya> ...let's make sure we understand their role in terms of direct dialogue

Tzviya Siegman: ...let's make sure we understand their role in terms of direct dialogue

15:15:06 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

15:15:25 <Karen> Tzviya: Peter, remind me, is there anyone you would like to invite to STEM meeting outside of DPub

Tzviya Siegman: Peter, remind me, is there anyone you would like to invite to STEM meeting outside of DPub

15:15:37 <Karen> Peter: I suggested the MathML group

Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Peter: I suggested the MathML group

15:15:41 <Karen> …Inkling sounds great

…Inkling sounds great

15:15:46 <Karen> …I think that is the only thing I mentioned

…I think that is the only thing I mentioned

15:16:03 <Karen> Tzviya: Markus, we had talked about possibly inviting people from HTML to the Thursday meetings

Tzviya Siegman: Markus, we had talked about possibly inviting people from HTML to the Thursday meetings

15:16:05 <Karen> Markus: yes

Markus Gylling: yes

15:16:14 <pkra> q+

Peter Krautzberger: q+

15:16:19 <Karen> …thought we might do that over one of the lunch breaks; with Michael Smith and one of the eidtors

…thought we might do that over one of the lunch breaks; with Michael Smith and one of the eidtors

15:16:21 <Karen> s/editors

s/editors

15:16:27 <Karen> …we don't have a session dedicated to HTML

…we don't have a session dedicated to HTML

15:16:37 <Karen> Ivan: If we get into the discussion on the paging

Ivan Herman: If we get into the discussion on the paging

15:16:44 <Karen> …I am not sure that everything will only be CSS

…I am not sure that everything will only be CSS

15:16:54 <Karen> …then it becomes very much a topic that touches upon HTML, the DOM

…then it becomes very much a topic that touches upon HTML, the DOM

15:17:09 <Karen> …so maybe if we have some idea of the structure of the Thursday morning in this sense

…so maybe if we have some idea of the structure of the Thursday morning in this sense

15:17:22 <Karen> …then getting someone from HTML to be around for that part of the discussion would be very helpful

…then getting someone from HTML to be around for that part of the discussion would be very helpful

15:17:32 <Karen> Brady: I'm not sure if answer is because that it can all be done in CSS

Brady Duga: I'm not sure if answer is because that it can all be done in CSS

15:17:41 <Karen> …and we go down the @ model path

…and we go down the @ model path

15:17:46 <Karen> …I don't know who is necessary for this

…I don't know who is necessary for this

15:17:53 <Karen> Markus: Right

Markus Gylling: Right

15:18:00 <Karen> …I'm checking the attendee list

…I'm checking the attendee list

15:18:06 <Karen> @ signed up to attend Friday

Ted O'Connor signed up to attend Friday

15:18:16 <Karen> …so we don't have anyone from the [HTML] group at this time

…so we don't have anyone from the [HTML] group at this time

15:18:17 <ivan> s/@/Ted O'Connor/
15:18:26 <Karen> Markus: Dave, what do you think?

Markus Gylling: Dave, what do you think?

15:18:50 <Karen> …This session is more about getting the IG oriented in the book 3 and functional requirements and use cases; does not feel like it's urgent to have HTML experts around

…This session is more about getting the IG oriented in the book 3 and functional requirements and use cases; does not feel like it's urgent to have HTML experts around

15:19:00 <Karen> …but maybe I'm being pessimistic about the amount of progress being made

…but maybe I'm being pessimistic about the amount of progress being made

15:19:10 <Karen> Dave: It does not feel like it's necessary at this stage

Dave Cramer: It does not feel like it's necessary at this stage

15:19:22 <Karen> …more to give this group an idea of what is happening and what is likely to happen

…more to give this group an idea of what is happening and what is likely to happen

15:19:32 <Karen> …i have done searching across the mailing list; there is very little about this

…i have done searching across the mailing list; there is very little about this

15:19:40 <Karen> …has been an undercurrent for a while

…has been an undercurrent for a while

15:19:51 <Karen> …some people may be afraid to address because it could be such a massive effort

…some people may be afraid to address because it could be such a massive effort

15:19:52 <Karen> Ivan; Ok

Ivan; Ok

15:19:53 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:19:58 <Karen> Markus: Ok

Markus Gylling: Ok

15:20:01 <mgylling> ack pkra

Markus Gylling: ack pkra

15:20:04 <Karen> ack Peter

ack Peter

15:20:12 <Karen> Peter: maybe not quite the right message

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Unknown Peter: maybe not quite the right message

15:20:30 <Karen> …two weeks ago there was a short statement around improvement of tables to do decimal marker, alignment

…two weeks ago there was a short statement around improvement of tables to do decimal marker, alignment

15:20:34 <Karen> …these kinds of these

…these kinds of these

15:20:36 <Karen> s/things

s/things

15:20:45 <Karen> …I jumped in to say they exist on the MathML spec

…I jumped in to say they exist on the MathML spec

15:20:54 <Karen> …and could be a conversation about how these things move up in the spec

…and could be a conversation about how these things move up in the spec

15:20:57 <Karen> …I wanted to bring this up

…I wanted to bring this up

15:21:11 <Karen> …at TPAC, or we could bring up at another time

…at TPAC, or we could bring up at another time

15:21:21 <Karen> …I think Dave or Tzviya brought this up a couple weeks ago

…I think Dave or Tzviya brought this up a couple weeks ago

15:21:31 <Karen> Ivan: I don't remember; I'm not sure I understand what the idea is

Ivan Herman: I don't remember; I'm not sure I understand what the idea is

15:21:36 <Karen> Tzviya: a joint effort

Tzviya Siegman: a joint effort

15:21:50 <Karen> …I had given Dave an example of something that occurs frequently in books that includes math

…I had given Dave an example of something that occurs frequently in books that includes math

15:22:03 <Karen> …there is something that can be done with we align with decimals

…there is something that can be done with we align with decimals

15:22:11 <Karen> …I think Dave has incorporated into the document

…I think Dave has incorporated into the document

15:22:31 <Karen> …i think Peter's question is that this crosses MathML and Pagination, perhaps this is an example of something that crosses other Working Groups

…i think Peter's question is that this crosses MathML and Pagination, perhaps this is an example of something that crosses other Working Groups

15:22:36 <Karen> …and discuss where this should live

…and discuss where this should live

15:22:41 <Karen> Peter: That is a great summary

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15:22:51 <Karen> Markus: Where improvements of table rendering should live

Markus Gylling: Where improvements of table rendering should live

15:22:54 <Karen> …is that the topic?

…is that the topic?

15:22:57 <Karen> Peter: I guess, yes

Dave Cramer: there is a whole group of equations: I guess, yes

15:23:11 <Karen> s/Peter/Dave: there is a whole group of equations
15:23:13 <Karen> …that may not align

…that may not align

15:23:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> this same issue comes up in poetry

Bill Kasdorf: this same issue comes up in poetry

15:23:23 <Karen> …although talking about aligning on particular objects

…although talking about aligning on particular objects

15:23:34 <Karen> …not sure if its' about table case and table column alignment

…not sure if its' about table case and table column alignment

15:23:40 <Karen> …table case is pretty specialized

…table case is pretty specialized

15:23:46 <pkra> q+

Peter Krautzberger: q+

15:23:49 <Karen> …I know there have been some things in CSS to align

…I know there have been some things in CSS to align

15:23:54 <Karen> …but have been removed or depricated

…but have been removed or depricated

15:24:15 <Karen> Markus: how is this different from all the other things in LatinrRec?

Markus Gylling: how is this different from all the other things in LatinrRec?

15:24:17 <Bert> q+ to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS is something for the long term...

Bert Bos: q+ to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS is something for the long term...

15:24:20 <Karen> …what stands out?

…what stands out?

15:24:38 <Karen> Dave: From broader perspective, table alignment is a requirement for people who make lots of different kinds of books

Dave Cramer: From broader perspective, table alignment is a requirement for people who make lots of different kinds of books

15:24:50 <Karen> …it seems quite rational to mention this in LatinRec

…it seems quite rational to mention this in LatinRec

15:24:59 <Karen> …how we bring this capability into the OWP, I am less sure about

…how we bring this capability into the OWP, I am less sure about

15:25:07 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:25:09 <Karen> ack Pkra

ack Pkra

15:25:11 <mgylling> ack pkra

Markus Gylling: ack pkra

15:25:15 <Karen> Peter: My perspective

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15:25:22 <Karen> …when this first came up two weeks ago

…when this first came up two weeks ago

15:25:38 <Karen> …it seems  perfect example of a common need that could also help the STEM and Math side

…it seems perfect example of a common need that could also help the STEM and Math side

15:26:09 <Karen> …MathML's tables are more powerful than HTML tables…results in implementations being a pain the a**

…MathML's tables are more powerful than HTML tables…results in implementations being a pain the a**

15:26:16 <Karen> …cannot have such a powerful table model

…cannot have such a powerful table model

15:26:20 <Karen> …why I jumped on this

…why I jumped on this

15:26:33 <Karen> …seems like a great opp to have a conversation about how STEM and Math could help inform CSS and HTML

…seems like a great opp to have a conversation about how STEM and Math could help inform CSS and HTML

15:26:38 <Karen> …and move these forward more quickly

…and move these forward more quickly

15:26:46 <Karen> …might just be a few simple things that could be done in CSS and HTML

…might just be a few simple things that could be done in CSS and HTML

15:26:56 <mgylling> ack Bert

Markus Gylling: ack Bert

15:26:56 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS

Zakim IRC Bot: Bert, you wanted to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS

15:26:56 <Karen> …that could help to reduce the complexity today

…that could help to reduce the complexity today

15:26:57 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:26:59 <Karen> ack Bert

ack Bert

15:26:59 <Zakim> ... is something for the long term...

Zakim IRC Bot: ... is something for the long term...

15:27:05 <Karen> Bert: Aligning tables is indeed an old topic

Bert Bos: Aligning tables is indeed an old topic

15:27:10 <Karen> …CSS2 was not implemented

…CSS2 was not implemented

15:27:17 <Karen> …for the moment, no one is against it

…for the moment, no one is against it

15:27:23 <Karen> …it will be in some other module

…it will be in some other module

15:27:32 <Karen> …it's a low priority item, but nobody is pushing for it either

…it's a low priority item, but nobody is pushing for it either

15:27:38 <Karen> …you will need a lot of lobbying

…you will need a lot of lobbying

15:27:44 <Karen> …Other thing I wanted to say

…Other thing I wanted to say

15:27:50 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-MathML3-20140410/chapter3.html#presm.malign

Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-MathML3-20140410/chapter3.html#presm.malign

15:28:07 <Karen> …is I don't think it's useful to schedule a session on MathML since except for me, there won't be anyone at TPAC

…is I don't think it's useful to schedule a session on MathML since except for me, there won't be anyone at TPAC

15:28:10 <Karen> …and Peter is more expert

…and Peter is more expert

15:28:13 <Karen> Markus: Right

Markus Gylling: Right

15:28:13 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:28:18 <Karen> Ivan: I think that writing these things down

Ivan Herman: I think that writing these things down

15:28:19 <pkra> right. That doesn't make sense then...

Peter Krautzberger: right. That doesn't make sense then...

15:28:21 <Karen> …what Peter talked about

…what Peter talked about

15:28:27 <Karen> …very clearly would be very interesting

…very clearly would be very interesting

15:28:35 <Karen> …and also maybe become part of our report

…and also maybe become part of our report

15:28:41 <Karen> …that we would use to talk to various people

…that we would use to talk to various people

15:28:46 <Karen> …I see Alan making a comment

…I see Alan making a comment

15:28:51 <Karen> …on irc that this should be done

…on irc that this should be done

15:28:59 <Karen> …and if we have to lobby with CSS or HTML WGs, I don't know

…and if we have to lobby with CSS or HTML WGs, I don't know

15:29:02 <Karen> …we an try it

…we an try it

15:29:08 <Karen> …but we cannot do it at TPAC; it's too close now

…but we cannot do it at TPAC; it's too close now

15:29:24 <Karen> Markus: Peter, can you consider taking on Alan's suggestion to compare the models?

Markus Gylling: Peter, can you consider taking on Alan's suggestion to compare the models?

15:29:30 <Karen> Peter: yes, I can

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15:29:47 <Karen> [light scribing :)]

[light scribing :)]

15:29:55 <Karen> Tzviya: not before TPAC

Tzviya Siegman: not before TPAC

15:30:01 <pkra> thanks, Karen :-)

Peter Krautzberger: thanks, Karen :-)

15:30:11 <Karen> Action: Peter to compare MathML tables with HMLT

ACTION: Peter to compare MathML tables with HMLT

15:30:11 <trackbot> 'Peter' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., pkra, plinss).

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15:30:14 <Karen> s/HTML

s/HTML

15:30:25 <Karen> Markus: anything else about the agenda?

Markus Gylling: anything else about the agenda?

15:30:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-

Bill Kasdorf: q-

15:31:05 <ivan> Action: pkra to compare MathML tables with HTML, and write it up on a wiki page

ACTION: pkra to compare MathML tables with HTML, and write it up on a wiki page

15:31:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Compare mathml tables with html, and write it up on a wiki page [on Peter Krautzberger - due 2014-10-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-27 - Compare mathml tables with html, and write it up on a wiki page [on Peter Krautzberger - due 2014-10-13].

15:31:14 <Karen> Bill: the alignment issue is also important in poetry; so not just for Maths; want it to be seen as a more general alignment

Bill Kasdorf: the alignment issue is also important in poetry; so not just for Maths; want it to be seen as a more general alignment

15:31:21 <Karen> Markus: the agenda is beginning to look stable

Markus Gylling: the agenda is beginning to look stable

15:31:24 <Karen> …next thing we have

…next thing we have

15:31:28 <Karen> …looking at agenda

…looking at agenda

15:31:35 <Karen> …and we will spend time at TPAC with PF

…and we will spend time at TPAC with PF

15:31:48 <Karen> …we have been working with Janina and others to prepare a document

…we have been working with Janina and others to prepare a document

15:31:58 <Karen> …We thought that we would take some quality time here to look at the document

…We thought that we would take some quality time here to look at the document

15:32:01 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-content-and-markup/ document on the repo

Ivan Herman: -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-content-and-markup/ document on the repo

15:32:07 <Karen> …and ask Tzviya to describe the input she has had from PF

…and ask Tzviya to describe the input she has had from PF

15:32:19 <Karen> …and from our side, have a firm idea of where we should be when TPAC ends

…and from our side, have a firm idea of where we should be when TPAC ends

15:32:23 <Karen> …regarding the actual work

…regarding the actual work

15:32:39 <Karen> …and make sure we use time before TPAC to get this [document] published, that would be really great

…and make sure we use time before TPAC to get this [document] published, that would be really great

15:32:47 <Karen> …we'll look forward to learning more in the next half hour

…we'll look forward to learning more in the next half hour

15:33:00 <Karen> Tzviya: We have been looking to find a way to do structural HTML

Tzviya Siegman: We have been looking to find a way to do structural HTML

15:33:14 <Karen> …we are familiar with EPUB structural semantics vocab

…we are familiar with EPUB structural semantics vocab

15:33:30 <Karen> …this document includes a proposal to work with PF to create a digpub vocab of a module of ARIA

…this document includes a proposal to work with PF to create a digpub vocab of a module of ARIA

15:33:39 <Karen> …and earlier version of doc was shared with Protocols and Formats

…and earlier version of doc was shared with Protocols and Formats

15:33:42 <Karen> …we cleaned up a bit

…we cleaned up a bit

15:33:54 <Karen> ..mostly linguistic clarity about responsibilities of this group

..mostly linguistic clarity about responsibilities of this group

15:34:00 <Karen> …than how it fits with ARIA

…than how it fits with ARIA

15:34:11 <Karen> …and more clearly delineate the benefits of the structural semantics vocab

…and more clearly delineate the benefits of the structural semantics vocab

15:34:16 <Karen> …I think the intro is pretty clear

…I think the intro is pretty clear

15:34:18 <dkaplan3> q+

Deborah Kaplan: q+

15:34:23 <Karen> …Sorry I just sent out the doc

…Sorry I just sent out the doc

15:34:36 <Karen> …historically this has been a problem to provide accessible content

…historically this has been a problem to provide accessible content

15:34:45 <Karen> …and to create HTML content that is reusable and easy to write

…and to create HTML content that is reusable and easy to write

15:34:58 <Karen> …So what we hope to accomplish is to sit down with PF WG to work through issues

…So what we hope to accomplish is to sit down with PF WG to work through issues

15:35:16 <Karen> …Setting up this voca; taking look at existing @ vocab; sort out what needs to be there; duplicates

…Setting up this voca; taking look at existing @ vocab; sort out what needs to be there; duplicates

15:35:20 <Karen> …tags that are associated

…tags that are associated

15:35:32 <Karen> …and then we will…there is a lot of work

…and then we will…there is a lot of work

15:35:43 <Karen> …needs to have an exact mapping to technologies; to each of these tags

…needs to have an exact mapping to technologies; to each of these tags

15:35:52 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:35:55 <Karen> …if I say "chapter" I need to define, what behavior that iplies

…if I say "chapter" I need to define, what behavior that iplies

15:35:58 <Karen> s/implies

s/implies

15:36:07 <Karen> …there is an existing set of terms defined by IDPF

…there is an existing set of terms defined by IDPF

15:36:10 <Karen> …list of 200 terms

…list of 200 terms

15:36:15 <Karen> …we may need to winnow that down

…we may need to winnow that down

15:36:19 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:36:23 <Karen> …but make sure we have a clear definitation of those terms

…but make sure we have a clear definitation of those terms

15:36:31 <Karen> …hopefully have marching orders to do that out of TPAC

…hopefully have marching orders to do that out of TPAC

15:36:37 <Karen> …and write it up in the ARIA style

…and write it up in the ARIA style

15:36:42 <Karen> …here's what it means; here's how it works

…here's what it means; here's how it works

15:36:52 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:36:56 <Karen> ack Deborah

ack Deborah

15:36:57 <mgylling> ack dkaplan

Markus Gylling: ack dkaplan

15:37:05 <Karen> dkaplan: I have feedback about the document

Deborah Kaplan: I have feedback about the document

15:37:15 <Karen> …should I bring it up now, or is this more of a structural conversation?

…should I bring it up now, or is this more of a structural conversation?

15:37:32 <Karen> Tzviya: If brief, yes; otherwise, I will take email comments on GitHub

Tzviya Siegman: If brief, yes; otherwise, I will take email comments on GitHub

15:37:39 <mgylling> ack ivan

Markus Gylling: ack ivan

15:37:40 <Karen> Deborah: ok, I'll send on GitHub

Deborah Kaplan: ok, I'll send on GitHub

15:37:46 <Karen> ivan: two things

Ivan Herman: two things

15:37:53 <Karen> …one is that it's my understanding

…one is that it's my understanding

15:38:12 <Karen> …if we do not define assistive technology for a particular term

…if we do not define assistive technology for a particular term

15:38:17 <Karen> …then the enclosed tag is valid

…then the enclosed tag is valid

15:38:25 <Karen> …if we do not define for each and every 200 terms

…if we do not define for each and every 200 terms

15:38:33 <Karen> …for assistive technologies, that is sort of ok?

…for assistive technologies, that is sort of ok?

15:38:43 <Karen> Tzviya: I'll let Markus answer

Tzviya Siegman: I'll let Markus answer

15:38:48 <Karen> Markus: that's the idea, yes

Markus Gylling: that's the idea, yes

15:38:57 <Karen> …these 200 terms may be a misleading thing

…these 200 terms may be a misleading thing

15:39:04 <Karen> …One of problems we struggled with in IDPF voca

…One of problems we struggled with in IDPF voca

15:39:07 <Karen> …is core set

…is core set

15:39:17 <Karen> …of domain-agnostic terms everyone can recognize

…of domain-agnostic terms everyone can recognize

15:39:24 <Karen> …but also have domains...

…but also have domains...

15:39:42 <Karen> …we have engaged with educational publishers who want to have hundreds of their terms recognized

…we have engaged with educational publishers who want to have hundreds of their terms recognized

15:39:50 <Karen> …Twofold; a publishing vocabulalry

…Twofold; a publishing vocabulalry

15:39:55 <Karen> …a core set of common terms

…a core set of common terms

15:40:07 <Karen> …and then this unfinished space, called distributed extensitbility

…and then this unfinished space, called distributed extensitbility

15:40:10 <Karen> …the ideal solution

…the ideal solution

15:40:28 <Karen> …we would have to embrace core common terms and other domains

…we would have to embrace core common terms and other domains

15:40:37 <Karen> …what you just asked is critical

…what you just asked is critical

15:40:50 <Karen> …If assistive tech encounters a term it does not recognize, then it is not a major issue

…If assistive tech encounters a term it does not recognize, then it is not a major issue

15:40:56 <Karen> Ivan: that is very important

Ivan Herman: that is very important

15:41:04 <Karen> …I have a second, different question

…I have a second, different question

15:41:12 <Karen> …Who will "own" this specification?

…Who will "own" this specification?

15:41:24 <Karen> …on the one hand, we have to have a clear consensus of the user community

…on the one hand, we have to have a clear consensus of the user community

15:41:37 <Karen> …which means that the terms themselves should be defined by IDPF

…which means that the terms themselves should be defined by IDPF

15:41:48 <Karen> …on the other hand, I assume PF wants to have that as a rec coming from PF

…on the other hand, I assume PF wants to have that as a rec coming from PF

15:41:54 <Karen> …to reinforce its validity for HTML

…to reinforce its validity for HTML

15:42:03 <Karen> …I am not sure how this whole thing will play out in practice

…I am not sure how this whole thing will play out in practice

15:42:19 <Karen> ..I would be very concerned if the definition of all the terms is in the hands exclusively of PF

..I would be very concerned if the definition of all the terms is in the hands exclusively of PF

15:42:23 <Karen> …we need IDPF

…we need IDPF

15:42:44 <Karen> Markus: I think it has been the common pre-conception that this ARIA @ will be published under W3C IP process

Markus Gylling: I think it has been the common pre-conception that this ARIA @ will be published under W3C IP process

15:42:54 <Karen> …it wants to become part of ARIA

…it wants to become part of ARIA

15:43:06 <Karen> …whether terms and conditions are in line or external has not been decided yet

…whether terms and conditions are in line or external has not been decided yet

15:43:10 <Karen> …we need to figure out how to do it

…we need to figure out how to do it

15:43:22 <Karen> …if we duplicate a subset in @ space, we would have synchronization issues

…if we duplicate a subset in @ space, we would have synchronization issues

15:43:28 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-

Bill Kasdorf: q-

15:43:36 <Karen> …if we have PF module to subset elsewhere, it could be cleaner

…if we have PF module to subset elsewhere, it could be cleaner

15:43:41 <Karen> …not sure if it would lead to IP issues

…not sure if it would lead to IP issues

15:43:51 <Karen> Ivan: That is not a problem in case of IDPF

Ivan Herman: That is not a problem in case of IDPF

15:44:00 <Karen> …process is such that it should not create a problem

…process is such that it should not create a problem

15:44:06 <Karen> …i don't think we need to decide this here

…i don't think we need to decide this here

15:44:30 <Karen> …If we could find a way to get 3-4 people sitting down, like Ralph, to have a clean setup for processes that would not lead to problems later

…If we could find a way to get 3-4 people sitting down, like Ralph, to have a clean setup for processes that would not lead to problems later

15:44:31 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:44:38 <Karen> Tzviya: This is also a question that Rich asked me

Tzviya Siegman: This is also a question that Rich asked me

15:44:53 <Karen> Ivan: So involving Ralph and Ian during one of the lunch periods on Friday is a good idea

Ivan Herman: So involving Ralph and Ian during one of the lunch periods on Friday is a good idea

15:45:10 <Karen> Markus: clarify; document would be published under W3C IP

Markus Gylling: clarify; document would be published under W3C IP

15:45:24 <Karen> Tzviya: he asked about clarification of IP and stated partnership with IDPF

Tzviya Siegman: he asked about clarification of IP and stated partnership with IDPF

15:45:37 <Karen> Ivan: As an IG, we are not chartered to produce formal recommendations

Ivan Herman: As an IG, we are not chartered to produce formal recommendations

15:45:51 <Karen> …we an participate in the work, but it has to be published as a recommendation by a Working Group

…we an participate in the work, but it has to be published as a recommendation by a Working Group

15:45:54 <Karen> …all the iP issues

…all the iP issues

15:45:59 <Karen> …Wiley, formally should join

…Wiley, formally should join

15:46:05 <Karen> Tzviya: we did on Friday

Tzviya Siegman: we did on Friday

15:46:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> great news about Wiley joining!!

Bill Kasdorf: great news about Wiley joining!!

15:46:28 <Karen> Ivan: We need a clear space for IDPF

Ivan Herman: We need a clear space for IDPF

15:46:39 <Karen> Markus: And we need to discuss the vocab terms

Markus Gylling: And we need to discuss the vocab terms

15:46:40 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:46:43 <Karen> …in terms of a document

…in terms of a document

15:46:50 <Karen> …we need to figure out how to squeeze that part in

…we need to figure out how to squeeze that part in

15:47:02 <Karen> …don't need to decide that now, but answer those questions in the document

…don't need to decide that now, but answer those questions in the document

15:47:15 <Karen> …that IDPF is in the doc and is contributing its vocab in more detail

…that IDPF is in the doc and is contributing its vocab in more detail

15:47:18 <Karen> …that is one thing

…that is one thing

15:47:18 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:47:33 <Karen> Markus: I have a question

Markus Gylling: I have a question

15:47:36 <Karen> …Chapter two

…Chapter two

15:47:43 <Karen> …about assistive technologies

…about assistive technologies

15:48:00 <Karen> …one of the eye openers I had working with educational publishers is the importance of semantic richness

…one of the eye openers I had working with educational publishers is the importance of semantic richness

15:48:06 <Karen> …@ time and repurposing time

…@ time and repurposing time

15:48:14 <Karen> …I don't think we have authoring and repurposing

…I don't think we have authoring and repurposing

15:48:18 <Karen> …should we add that?

…should we add that?

15:48:23 <Karen> Tzviya: That makes sense

Tzviya Siegman: That makes sense

15:48:34 <Karen> Markus: Maybe remove 1-5 to clear space and add a section 4

Markus Gylling: Maybe remove 1-5 to clear space and add a section 4

15:48:53 <Karen> …in-house processing or processing behaviors

…in-house processing or processing behaviors

15:48:54 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:49:02 <Karen> Tzviya: all right

Tzviya Siegman: all right

15:49:10 <Karen> Markus: Anything else you would like to bring up?

Markus Gylling: Anything else you would like to bring up?

15:49:27 <Karen> Tzviya: the meeting we have with PF is about broader accessibility issues

Tzviya Siegman: the meeting we have with PF is about broader accessibility issues

15:49:42 <Karen> …Deborah, you had a comment, and also Charles is on phone…other issues?

…Deborah, you had a comment, and also Charles is on phone…other issues?

15:49:45 <Karen> Deborah: sure

Deborah Kaplan: sure

15:49:51 <Karen> …my issue was about… in the document

…my issue was about… in the document

15:50:03 <Karen> …section on improved navigation, locating print artifacts

…section on improved navigation, locating print artifacts

15:50:13 <Karen> …I was thinking about ability to ignore print artifacts

…I was thinking about ability to ignore print artifacts

15:50:28 <Karen> …sometimes those artifacts can get loud and distracting

…sometimes those artifacts can get loud and distracting

15:50:35 <Karen> …you should be able to ignore them, too

…you should be able to ignore them, too

15:50:41 <Karen> Markus: page numbers for example

Markus Gylling: page numbers for example

15:50:45 <Karen> Tzviya: ok

Tzviya Siegman: ok

15:50:53 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:50:55 <Karen> Markus: Anything else?

Markus Gylling: Anything else?

15:51:01 <Karen> Deborah: That was my initial feedback

Deborah Kaplan: That was my initial feedback

15:51:18 <Karen> …I think this conversation has been very useful to me on how to re-read this document for feedback

…I think this conversation has been very useful to me on how to re-read this document for feedback

15:51:26 <Karen> …about how it will be used

…about how it will be used

15:51:29 <Karen> …this has been helpful

…this has been helpful

15:51:38 <Karen> Markus: Good, please keep it coming

Markus Gylling: Good, please keep it coming

15:51:46 <Karen> Tzviya: yes, this is not final by any means

Tzviya Siegman: yes, this is not final by any means

15:51:54 <Karen> Markus: Meant to be a joint statement

Markus Gylling: Meant to be a joint statement

15:52:08 <Karen> Tzviya: I need to pass these comments along to PF, but not today due to my schedule

Tzviya Siegman: I need to pass these comments along to PF, but not today due to my schedule

15:52:13 <Karen> …I will get it to them soon

…I will get it to them soon

15:52:30 <Karen> Markus: Anyone else?

Markus Gylling: Anyone else?

15:52:42 <Karen> …if no more questions, we can end early

…if no more questions, we can end early

15:52:44 <azaroth> q+ to ask about next week, as holiday in US

Robert Sanderson: q+ to ask about next week, as holiday in US

15:53:07 <Karen> Markus: Ivan mentioned specifying IP expectations

Markus Gylling: Ivan mentioned specifying IP expectations

15:53:15 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:53:18 <Karen> …if there is a standard way to express that, please let us know

…if there is a standard way to express that, please let us know

15:53:25 <Karen> Ivan: not sure I understand what you are asking

Ivan Herman: not sure I understand what you are asking

15:53:48 <Karen> Tzviya: Rich commented if this is work of joint TF, we need to explain how content was generated

Tzviya Siegman: Rich commented if this is work of joint TF, we need to explain how content was generated

15:53:56 <Karen> Ivan: you mean the document you produce right now?

Ivan Herman: you mean the document you produce right now?

15:54:00 <Karen> Tzviya: yes

Tzviya Siegman: yes

15:54:08 <Karen> Ivan: that will be a Note; not so relevant

Ivan Herman: that will be a Note; not so relevant

15:54:22 <Karen> …but eventual module needs to be published by WG

…but eventual module needs to be published by WG

15:54:30 <Karen> Markus: yes, and we wanted to suggest stating that clearly

Markus Gylling: yes, and we wanted to suggest stating that clearly

15:54:43 <Karen> Ivan: We make it clear that goal is to produce a rec published by PF WG

Ivan Herman: We make it clear that goal is to produce a rec published by PF WG

15:54:52 <Karen> …with contributions from this IG

…with contributions from this IG

15:54:56 <Karen> …then that by itself is clear

…then that by itself is clear

15:55:06 <Karen> …and it comes under IP protection of PF WG

…and it comes under IP protection of PF WG

15:55:12 <Karen> …does not require a pre-defined statement

…does not require a pre-defined statement

15:55:17 <mgylling> ack azaroth

Markus Gylling: ack azaroth

15:55:17 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask about next week, as holiday in US

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15:55:19 <Karen> Tzviya: A week from today is a holiday

Tzviya Siegman: A week from today is a holiday

15:55:22 <Karen> Rob: yes

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15:55:30 <Karen> Markus: holiday again!

Markus Gylling: holiday again!

15:55:54 <Karen> Tzviya: It's for Christopher Columbus

Tzviya Siegman: It's for Christopher Columbus

15:56:03 <Karen> Rob: Will we have call or not?

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Unknown Rob: Will we have call or not?

15:56:05 <dauwhe> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

Dave Cramer: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

15:56:07 <Ayla-Stein> How can you discover a continent that already has people there? We should meet in protest!

Ayla Stein: How can you discover a continent that already has people there? We should meet in protest!

15:56:12 <Karen> Markus: I am leaning towards doing it?

Markus Gylling: I am leaning towards doing it?

15:56:16 <Ayla-Stein> j/k

Ayla Stein: j/k

15:56:19 <Ayla-Stein> but not really

Ayla Stein: but not really

15:56:27 <Karen> Ivan: I need to send regrets but for other reasons

Ivan Herman: I need to send regrets but for other reasons

15:56:35 <clapierre> regrets as well I will be out of town.

Charles LaPierre: regrets as well I will be out of town.

15:56:37 <Karen> @: Office is open, but sending regrets

@: Office is open, but sending regrets

15:56:42 <Karen> Markus: Let's do the call

Markus Gylling: Let's do the call

15:56:45 <azaroth> Regrets from me as well

Robert Sanderson: Regrets from me as well

15:56:52 <Bert> (Possible regrets from me also. Not sure yet.)

Bert Bos: (Possible regrets from me also. Not sure yet.)

15:56:53 <Karen> …but we may change our minds end of week

…but we may change our minds end of week

15:56:56 <Karen> …Thanks everyone

…Thanks everyone

15:57:01 <Karen> …talk to you hopefully next week

…talk to you hopefully next week

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15:57:26 <Karen> welcome!

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16:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, dkaplan3, LauraD, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, murakami, azaroth, +1.201.783.aaaa,

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