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14:16:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-dpub-irc
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14:16:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:16:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub ←
14:16:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 44 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 44 minutes ←
14:16:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:16:34 <trackbot> Date: 06 October 2014
14:16:59 <tzviya> i'll be on the phone in a moment
Tzviya Siegman: i'll be on the phone in a moment ←
14:19:10 <ivan> tzviya, there is still more than half an hour
Ivan Herman: tzviya, there is still more than half an hour ←
14:19:38 <mgylling> tzviya, the edits are pushed to the repo btw
Markus Gylling: tzviya, the edits are pushed to the repo btw ←
14:20:00 <mgylling> thanks to Ivan’s quick adding of me as a member
Markus Gylling: thanks to Ivan’s quick adding of me as a member ←
14:20:12 <tzviya> thank you
Tzviya Siegman: thank you ←
14:20:28 <tzviya> did you want to discuss rich's questions?
Tzviya Siegman: did you want to discuss rich's questions? ←
14:57:49 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started
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14:57:57 <Zakim> +astearns
Zakim IRC Bot: +astearns ←
14:58:09 <Zakim> +clapierre
Zakim IRC Bot: +clapierre ←
14:58:30 <Zakim> +Markus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Markus ←
14:58:53 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:58:53 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:58:55 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:58:57 <mgylling> regrets: Luc Audrain, Michael Miller, Vladimir Levantovsky, Timothy Cole, Laura Fowler, Liza Daly
14:59:20 <Zakim> +Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya ←
14:59:33 <Zakim> +pkra
Zakim IRC Bot: +pkra ←
14:59:38 <Zakim> +astein
Zakim IRC Bot: +astein ←
14:59:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:59:59 <Karen> zakim, code?
Karen Myers: zakim, code? ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen ←
15:00:01 <Zakim> +[Safari]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Safari] ←
15:00:12 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is Bill
Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller is Bill ←
15:00:12 <Zakim> +Bill; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill; got it ←
15:00:13 <Zakim> +dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe ←
15:00:28 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers ←
15:00:30 <dkaplan3> zakim, [Safari] is me
Deborah Kaplan: zakim, [Safari] is me ←
15:00:30 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it ←
15:00:31 <Zakim> +LauraD
Zakim IRC Bot: +LauraD ←
15:00:49 <ivan> zakim, Bill is Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: zakim, Bill is Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it ←
15:00:50 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent] ←
15:00:57 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
Ben De Meester: zakim, Ugent is me ←
15:00:57 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bjdmeest; got it ←
15:01:06 <bjdmeest> zakim, mute me
Ben De Meester: zakim, mute me ←
15:01:06 <Zakim> bjdmeest should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bjdmeest should now be muted ←
15:01:15 <Zakim> +philm
Zakim IRC Bot: +philm ←
15:01:28 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
15:01:42 <murakami> zakim, ??P26 is me
Shinyu Murakami: zakim, ??P26 is me ←
15:01:42 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +murakami; got it ←
15:02:15 <Zakim> +azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth ←
15:02:29 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami, azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami, azaroth ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, liam, astearns,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> ... plinss, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... plinss, trackbot ←
15:02:38 <Karen> Scribe: Karen
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
15:02:50 <Zakim> + +1.201.783.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.783.aaaa ←
15:03:15 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is pbelfanti
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is pbelfanti ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pbelfanti; got it ←
15:03:38 <mgylling> last weeks minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-dpub-minutes.html
Markus Gylling: last weeks minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:03:39 <Karen> Markus: Thanks everybody for joining today
Markus Gylling: Thanks everybody for joining today ←
15:03:50 <Karen> …Can we approve last week's minute?
…Can we approve last week's minute? ←
15:03:58 <Karen> …Please speak up if you do not want to approve
…Please speak up if you do not want to approve ←
15:04:01 <Karen> [Silence]
[Silence] ←
15:04:06 <Karen> …Ok, perfect [approved]
…Ok, perfect [approved] ←
15:04:10 <mgylling> TPAC agenda: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F
Markus Gylling: TPAC agenda: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F ←
15:04:14 <Karen> …Today we have a pretty stable agenda for TPAC
…Today we have a pretty stable agenda for TPAC ←
15:04:15 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
15:04:20 <Karen> …let's see what remains to do for meeting bookings
…let's see what remains to do for meeting bookings ←
15:04:24 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aabb - is perhaps Bernard
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aabb - is perhaps Bernard ←
15:04:30 <tmichel> zakim, ??P4 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P4 is me ←
15:04:30 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:04:43 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Bert
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Bert ←
15:04:43 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' ←
15:04:55 <Karen> Markus: So to TPAC agenda page
Markus Gylling: So to TPAC agenda page ←
15:05:01 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami (muted), azaroth,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, LauraD, bjdmeest (muted), philm, murakami (muted), azaroth, ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> ... pbelfanti, tmichel, Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pbelfanti, tmichel, Bert ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Bert, pbelfanti, azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Bert, pbelfanti, azaroth, murakami, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Ayla-Stein, clapierre, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> ... Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot ←
15:05:08 <Karen> …let's being with a check-in with the ones we are stable with
…let's being with a check-in with the ones we are stable with ←
15:05:25 <dkaplan3> mailto:%6b%61%74%69%65@%74%68%65%72%65%61%6c%6b%61%74%69%65.%6e%65%74
Scribe problem: the name 'mailto' does not match any of the 83 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown mailto: %6b%61%74%69%65@%74%68%65%72%65%61%6c%6b%61%74%69%65.%6e%65%74 [ Scribe Assist by Deborah Kaplan ] ←
15:05:27 <Karen> …on the Friday afternoon the presentation by Internationalization with Richard Ishida between 3-4pm is booked
…on the Friday afternoon the presentation by Internationalization with Richard Ishida between 3-4pm is booked ←
15:05:47 <Karen> …Tzviya, that meeting with Janina in Protocols and Formats WG is set?
…Tzviya, that meeting with Janina in Protocols and Formats WG is set? ←
15:05:55 <Karen> Tzviya: She proposed two sessions
Tzviya Siegman: She proposed two sessions ←
15:05:58 <Karen> …2pm on Thursday
…2pm on Thursday ←
15:06:15 <Karen> …to talk for 90 minutes to talk about structural semantics and general accessibility concerns
…to talk for 90 minutes to talk about structural semantics and general accessibility concerns ←
15:06:33 <Karen> …and then picking up at 4:00pm to talk about some of issues that ETF had raised about personalization
…and then picking up at 4:00pm to talk about some of issues that ETF had raised about personalization ←
15:06:40 <Karen> …May be good time to bring in people from SVG as well
…May be good time to bring in people from SVG as well ←
15:06:46 <Karen> …but we have not yet reached out to them
…but we have not yet reached out to them ←
15:06:57 <Karen> Markus: We had proposed a recap session at that time, but that is easy to move
Markus Gylling: We had proposed a recap session at that time, but that is easy to move ←
15:07:05 <Karen> …first one is 14:00-15:30 with P&F
…first one is 14:00-15:30 with P&F ←
15:07:07 <Karen> …then break
…then break ←
15:07:10 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:07:14 <Karen> …then 16:00 to when?
…then 16:00 to when? ←
15:07:29 <Karen> Tzviya: She [Janina] had proposed to 18:00
Tzviya Siegman: She [Janina] had proposed to 18:00 ←
15:07:34 <Karen> …but she has not yet discussed with others
…but she has not yet discussed with others ←
15:07:41 <Karen> Markus: I'll work on the SVG invitation
Markus Gylling: I'll work on the SVG invitation ←
15:07:44 <Karen> …Ok, great
…Ok, great ←
15:07:55 <Karen> …If that is what they are reserving, we should take the bait
…If that is what they are reserving, we should take the bait ←
15:08:00 <Karen> …have you confirmed, Tzviya?
…have you confirmed, Tzviya? ←
15:08:04 <Karen> Tzviya: yes
Tzviya Siegman: yes ←
15:08:06 <Karen> Markus: Great
Markus Gylling: Great ←
15:08:18 <Karen> …Then where do we book the Books in Browsers recap session?
…Then where do we book the Books in Browsers recap session? ←
15:08:29 <Karen> …It's likely to have presentations that we want to circle back on during our meeting
…It's likely to have presentations that we want to circle back on during our meeting ←
15:08:37 <Karen> …We need a suitable slot for that
…We need a suitable slot for that ←
15:08:49 <Karen> Ivan: I idid not realize P&F needed the whole afternoon
Ivan Herman: I idid not realize P&F needed the whole afternoon ←
15:08:56 <Karen> Tzviya: not sure if we need the whole time
Tzviya Siegman: not sure if we need the whole time ←
15:09:08 <Karen> Markus: Should we do 16:00-17:00 for the second slot?
Markus Gylling: Should we do 16:00-17:00 for the second slot? ←
15:09:11 <Karen> Ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:09:22 <Karen> …we cannot spend whole afternoon only on it
…we cannot spend whole afternoon only on it ←
15:09:34 <fjh> zakim, code?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code? ←
15:09:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh ←
15:09:34 <Karen> Markus: But we are doing pagination for the morning! [smiles]
Markus Gylling: But we are doing pagination for the morning! [smiles] ←
15:09:40 <Karen> Ivan: Yes, because it's core!
Ivan Herman: Yes, because it's core! ←
15:09:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:09:45 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
15:09:45 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
15:09:53 <Karen> Markus: Dave, speaking of pagination, how are things going for that Thursday morning sessions
Markus Gylling: Dave, speaking of pagination, how are things going for that Thursday morning sessions ←
15:10:03 <Karen> Dave: I am working on it; brought it up to CSS on last call
Dave Cramer: I am working on it; brought it up to CSS on last call ←
15:10:17 <Karen> …I am writing now and they asked to say who are most important people [for this session]
…I am writing now and they asked to say who are most important people [for this session] ←
15:10:25 <Karen> Bert: There will be people from CSS; I will be there, too
Bert Bos: There will be people from CSS; I will be there, too ←
15:10:35 <Karen> …Smart to send an email and see who will be there prceisely
…Smart to send an email and see who will be there prceisely ←
15:10:44 <Karen> Markus: Let me see…two outstanding things is invitations
Markus Gylling: Let me see…two outstanding things is invitations ←
15:10:51 <Karen> …invitees from CSS for Thursday morning
…invitees from CSS for Thursday morning ←
15:11:03 <Karen> …and I need to invite the SVG WG for second session with PF on Thursday afternoon
…and I need to invite the SVG WG for second session with PF on Thursday afternoon ←
15:11:05 <Karen> q+
q+ ←
15:11:15 <Karen> Markus: It says the Friday morning STEM session is a placeholder
Markus Gylling: It says the Friday morning STEM session is a placeholder ←
15:11:21 <Karen> …Peter, have you confirmed a pre-brief?
…Peter, have you confirmed a pre-brief? ←
15:11:24 <Karen> Peter: right
Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Peter: right ←
15:11:29 <Karen> …i don't remember why we made it a place holder
…i don't remember why we made it a place holder ←
15:11:35 <Karen> …I can make the time and give an update
…I can make the time and give an update ←
15:11:42 <Karen> …on where we are and spawn a discussion
…on where we are and spawn a discussion ←
15:11:44 <Karen> Markus: great
Markus Gylling: great ←
15:11:53 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:11:56 <Karen> Peter: I remember now why it's a placeholder; I was not sure how much progress we would have
Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Peter: I remember now why it's a placeholder; I was not sure how much progress we would have ←
15:12:07 <Karen> …it is still an open problem for me; speed is not what I would have liked
…it is still an open problem for me; speed is not what I would have liked ←
15:12:11 <Karen> …would like to take it up
…would like to take it up ←
15:12:22 <Karen> …no news on that end; have some calls this week, my own time is fuzzy
…no news on that end; have some calls this week, my own time is fuzzy ←
15:12:37 <Karen> Markus: I just removed the placeholder marker, so consider yourself booked
Markus Gylling: I just removed the placeholder marker, so consider yourself booked ←
15:12:46 <Karen> …We have generous lunch breaks; three hours both days
…We have generous lunch breaks; three hours both days ←
15:12:57 <Karen> …not about eating pastries for 3 hours; it's intended for ad hoc meetings
…not about eating pastries for 3 hours; it's intended for ad hoc meetings ←
15:13:07 <Karen> Ivan: and we are already using some of it on Thursday
Ivan Herman: and we are already using some of it on Thursday ←
15:13:16 <Karen> Markus: yes, from 4 to 3 hours originally
Markus Gylling: yes, from 4 to 3 hours originally ←
15:13:25 <Karen> …Any questions suggestions or remarks
…Any questions suggestions or remarks ←
15:13:33 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:13:36 <Karen> ack Karen
ack Karen ←
15:13:36 <mgylling> ack Karen
Markus Gylling: ack Karen ←
15:14:10 <tzviya> karen: we are expecting some observer guests from organizations that are considering membership
Karen Myers: we are expecting some observer guests from organizations that are considering membership [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←
15:14:52 <Karen> Markus: We will give them a warm-hearted welcome
Markus Gylling: We will give them a warm-hearted welcome ←
15:14:56 <tzviya> ...let's make sure we understand their role in terms of direct dialogue
Tzviya Siegman: ...let's make sure we understand their role in terms of direct dialogue ←
15:15:06 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:15:25 <Karen> Tzviya: Peter, remind me, is there anyone you would like to invite to STEM meeting outside of DPub
Tzviya Siegman: Peter, remind me, is there anyone you would like to invite to STEM meeting outside of DPub ←
15:15:37 <Karen> Peter: I suggested the MathML group
Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Krautzberger Peter Linss . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Peter: I suggested the MathML group ←
15:15:41 <Karen> …Inkling sounds great
…Inkling sounds great ←
15:15:46 <Karen> …I think that is the only thing I mentioned
…I think that is the only thing I mentioned ←
15:16:03 <Karen> Tzviya: Markus, we had talked about possibly inviting people from HTML to the Thursday meetings
Tzviya Siegman: Markus, we had talked about possibly inviting people from HTML to the Thursday meetings ←
15:16:05 <Karen> Markus: yes
Markus Gylling: yes ←
15:16:14 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:16:19 <Karen> …thought we might do that over one of the lunch breaks; with Michael Smith and one of the eidtors
…thought we might do that over one of the lunch breaks; with Michael Smith and one of the eidtors ←
15:16:21 <Karen> s/editors
s/editors ←
15:16:27 <Karen> …we don't have a session dedicated to HTML
…we don't have a session dedicated to HTML ←
15:16:37 <Karen> Ivan: If we get into the discussion on the paging
Ivan Herman: If we get into the discussion on the paging ←
15:16:44 <Karen> …I am not sure that everything will only be CSS
…I am not sure that everything will only be CSS ←
15:16:54 <Karen> …then it becomes very much a topic that touches upon HTML, the DOM
…then it becomes very much a topic that touches upon HTML, the DOM ←
15:17:09 <Karen> …so maybe if we have some idea of the structure of the Thursday morning in this sense
…so maybe if we have some idea of the structure of the Thursday morning in this sense ←
15:17:22 <Karen> …then getting someone from HTML to be around for that part of the discussion would be very helpful
…then getting someone from HTML to be around for that part of the discussion would be very helpful ←
15:17:32 <Karen> Brady: I'm not sure if answer is because that it can all be done in CSS
Brady Duga: I'm not sure if answer is because that it can all be done in CSS ←
15:17:41 <Karen> …and we go down the @ model path
…and we go down the @ model path ←
15:17:46 <Karen> …I don't know who is necessary for this
…I don't know who is necessary for this ←
15:17:53 <Karen> Markus: Right
Markus Gylling: Right ←
15:18:00 <Karen> …I'm checking the attendee list
…I'm checking the attendee list ←
15:18:06 <Karen> @ signed up to attend Friday
Ted O'Connor signed up to attend Friday ←
15:18:16 <Karen> …so we don't have anyone from the [HTML] group at this time
…so we don't have anyone from the [HTML] group at this time ←
15:18:17 <ivan> s/@/Ted O'Connor/
15:18:26 <Karen> Markus: Dave, what do you think?
Markus Gylling: Dave, what do you think? ←
15:18:50 <Karen> …This session is more about getting the IG oriented in the book 3 and functional requirements and use cases; does not feel like it's urgent to have HTML experts around
…This session is more about getting the IG oriented in the book 3 and functional requirements and use cases; does not feel like it's urgent to have HTML experts around ←
15:19:00 <Karen> …but maybe I'm being pessimistic about the amount of progress being made
…but maybe I'm being pessimistic about the amount of progress being made ←
15:19:10 <Karen> Dave: It does not feel like it's necessary at this stage
Dave Cramer: It does not feel like it's necessary at this stage ←
15:19:22 <Karen> …more to give this group an idea of what is happening and what is likely to happen
…more to give this group an idea of what is happening and what is likely to happen ←
15:19:32 <Karen> …i have done searching across the mailing list; there is very little about this
…i have done searching across the mailing list; there is very little about this ←
15:19:40 <Karen> …has been an undercurrent for a while
…has been an undercurrent for a while ←
15:19:51 <Karen> …some people may be afraid to address because it could be such a massive effort
…some people may be afraid to address because it could be such a massive effort ←
15:19:52 <Karen> Ivan; Ok
Ivan; Ok ←
15:19:53 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:19:58 <Karen> Markus: Ok
Markus Gylling: Ok ←
15:20:01 <mgylling> ack pkra
Markus Gylling: ack pkra ←
15:20:04 <Karen> ack Peter
ack Peter ←
15:20:12 <Karen> Peter: maybe not quite the right message
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Unknown Peter: maybe not quite the right message ←
15:20:30 <Karen> …two weeks ago there was a short statement around improvement of tables to do decimal marker, alignment
…two weeks ago there was a short statement around improvement of tables to do decimal marker, alignment ←
15:20:34 <Karen> …these kinds of these
…these kinds of these ←
15:20:36 <Karen> s/things
s/things ←
15:20:45 <Karen> …I jumped in to say they exist on the MathML spec
…I jumped in to say they exist on the MathML spec ←
15:20:54 <Karen> …and could be a conversation about how these things move up in the spec
…and could be a conversation about how these things move up in the spec ←
15:20:57 <Karen> …I wanted to bring this up
…I wanted to bring this up ←
15:21:11 <Karen> …at TPAC, or we could bring up at another time
…at TPAC, or we could bring up at another time ←
15:21:21 <Karen> …I think Dave or Tzviya brought this up a couple weeks ago
…I think Dave or Tzviya brought this up a couple weeks ago ←
15:21:31 <Karen> Ivan: I don't remember; I'm not sure I understand what the idea is
Ivan Herman: I don't remember; I'm not sure I understand what the idea is ←
15:21:36 <Karen> Tzviya: a joint effort
Tzviya Siegman: a joint effort ←
15:21:50 <Karen> …I had given Dave an example of something that occurs frequently in books that includes math
…I had given Dave an example of something that occurs frequently in books that includes math ←
15:22:03 <Karen> …there is something that can be done with we align with decimals
…there is something that can be done with we align with decimals ←
15:22:11 <Karen> …I think Dave has incorporated into the document
…I think Dave has incorporated into the document ←
15:22:31 <Karen> …i think Peter's question is that this crosses MathML and Pagination, perhaps this is an example of something that crosses other Working Groups
…i think Peter's question is that this crosses MathML and Pagination, perhaps this is an example of something that crosses other Working Groups ←
15:22:36 <Karen> …and discuss where this should live
…and discuss where this should live ←
15:22:41 <Karen> Peter: That is a great summary
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Unknown Peter: That is a great summary ←
15:22:51 <Karen> Markus: Where improvements of table rendering should live
Markus Gylling: Where improvements of table rendering should live ←
15:22:54 <Karen> …is that the topic?
…is that the topic? ←
15:22:57 <Karen> Peter: I guess, yes
Dave Cramer: there is a whole group of equations: I guess, yes ←
15:23:11 <Karen> s/Peter/Dave: there is a whole group of equations
15:23:13 <Karen> …that may not align
…that may not align ←
15:23:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> this same issue comes up in poetry
Bill Kasdorf: this same issue comes up in poetry ←
15:23:23 <Karen> …although talking about aligning on particular objects
…although talking about aligning on particular objects ←
15:23:34 <Karen> …not sure if its' about table case and table column alignment
…not sure if its' about table case and table column alignment ←
15:23:40 <Karen> …table case is pretty specialized
…table case is pretty specialized ←
15:23:46 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:23:49 <Karen> …I know there have been some things in CSS to align
…I know there have been some things in CSS to align ←
15:23:54 <Karen> …but have been removed or depricated
…but have been removed or depricated ←
15:24:15 <Karen> Markus: how is this different from all the other things in LatinrRec?
Markus Gylling: how is this different from all the other things in LatinrRec? ←
15:24:17 <Bert> q+ to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS is something for the long term...
Bert Bos: q+ to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS is something for the long term... ←
15:24:20 <Karen> …what stands out?
…what stands out? ←
15:24:38 <Karen> Dave: From broader perspective, table alignment is a requirement for people who make lots of different kinds of books
Dave Cramer: From broader perspective, table alignment is a requirement for people who make lots of different kinds of books ←
15:24:50 <Karen> …it seems quite rational to mention this in LatinRec
…it seems quite rational to mention this in LatinRec ←
15:24:59 <Karen> …how we bring this capability into the OWP, I am less sure about
…how we bring this capability into the OWP, I am less sure about ←
15:25:07 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:25:09 <Karen> ack Pkra
ack Pkra ←
15:25:11 <mgylling> ack pkra
Markus Gylling: ack pkra ←
15:25:15 <Karen> Peter: My perspective
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15:25:22 <Karen> …when this first came up two weeks ago
…when this first came up two weeks ago ←
15:25:38 <Karen> …it seems perfect example of a common need that could also help the STEM and Math side
…it seems perfect example of a common need that could also help the STEM and Math side ←
15:26:09 <Karen> …MathML's tables are more powerful than HTML tables…results in implementations being a pain the a**
…MathML's tables are more powerful than HTML tables…results in implementations being a pain the a** ←
15:26:16 <Karen> …cannot have such a powerful table model
…cannot have such a powerful table model ←
15:26:20 <Karen> …why I jumped on this
…why I jumped on this ←
15:26:33 <Karen> …seems like a great opp to have a conversation about how STEM and Math could help inform CSS and HTML
…seems like a great opp to have a conversation about how STEM and Math could help inform CSS and HTML ←
15:26:38 <Karen> …and move these forward more quickly
…and move these forward more quickly ←
15:26:46 <Karen> …might just be a few simple things that could be done in CSS and HTML
…might just be a few simple things that could be done in CSS and HTML ←
15:26:56 <mgylling> ack Bert
Markus Gylling: ack Bert ←
15:26:56 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS
Zakim IRC Bot: Bert, you wanted to say there will be nobody from MathML, except me. (But PeterK is as good an expert on MathML as anybody in the Math WG, I expect...) And table alignment in CSS ←
15:26:56 <Karen> …that could help to reduce the complexity today
…that could help to reduce the complexity today ←
15:26:57 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:26:59 <Karen> ack Bert
ack Bert ←
15:26:59 <Zakim> ... is something for the long term...
Zakim IRC Bot: ... is something for the long term... ←
15:27:05 <Karen> Bert: Aligning tables is indeed an old topic
Bert Bos: Aligning tables is indeed an old topic ←
15:27:10 <Karen> …CSS2 was not implemented
…CSS2 was not implemented ←
15:27:17 <Karen> …for the moment, no one is against it
…for the moment, no one is against it ←
15:27:23 <Karen> …it will be in some other module
…it will be in some other module ←
15:27:32 <Karen> …it's a low priority item, but nobody is pushing for it either
…it's a low priority item, but nobody is pushing for it either ←
15:27:38 <Karen> …you will need a lot of lobbying
…you will need a lot of lobbying ←
15:27:44 <Karen> …Other thing I wanted to say
…Other thing I wanted to say ←
15:27:50 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-MathML3-20140410/chapter3.html#presm.malign
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-MathML3-20140410/chapter3.html#presm.malign ←
15:28:07 <Karen> …is I don't think it's useful to schedule a session on MathML since except for me, there won't be anyone at TPAC
…is I don't think it's useful to schedule a session on MathML since except for me, there won't be anyone at TPAC ←
15:28:10 <Karen> …and Peter is more expert
…and Peter is more expert ←
15:28:13 <Karen> Markus: Right
Markus Gylling: Right ←
15:28:13 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:28:18 <Karen> Ivan: I think that writing these things down
Ivan Herman: I think that writing these things down ←
15:28:19 <pkra> right. That doesn't make sense then...
Peter Krautzberger: right. That doesn't make sense then... ←
15:28:21 <Karen> …what Peter talked about
…what Peter talked about ←
15:28:27 <Karen> …very clearly would be very interesting
…very clearly would be very interesting ←
15:28:35 <Karen> …and also maybe become part of our report
…and also maybe become part of our report ←
15:28:41 <Karen> …that we would use to talk to various people
…that we would use to talk to various people ←
15:28:46 <Karen> …I see Alan making a comment
…I see Alan making a comment ←
15:28:51 <Karen> …on irc that this should be done
…on irc that this should be done ←
15:28:59 <Karen> …and if we have to lobby with CSS or HTML WGs, I don't know
…and if we have to lobby with CSS or HTML WGs, I don't know ←
15:29:02 <Karen> …we an try it
…we an try it ←
15:29:08 <Karen> …but we cannot do it at TPAC; it's too close now
…but we cannot do it at TPAC; it's too close now ←
15:29:24 <Karen> Markus: Peter, can you consider taking on Alan's suggestion to compare the models?
Markus Gylling: Peter, can you consider taking on Alan's suggestion to compare the models? ←
15:29:30 <Karen> Peter: yes, I can
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15:29:47 <Karen> [light scribing :)]
[light scribing :)] ←
15:29:55 <Karen> Tzviya: not before TPAC
Tzviya Siegman: not before TPAC ←
15:30:01 <pkra> thanks, Karen :-)
Peter Krautzberger: thanks, Karen :-) ←
15:30:11 <Karen> Action: Peter to compare MathML tables with HMLT
ACTION: Peter to compare MathML tables with HMLT ←
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Trackbot IRC Bot: 'Peter' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., pkra, plinss). ←
15:30:14 <Karen> s/HTML
s/HTML ←
15:30:25 <Karen> Markus: anything else about the agenda?
Markus Gylling: anything else about the agenda? ←
15:30:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-
Bill Kasdorf: q- ←
15:31:05 <ivan> Action: pkra to compare MathML tables with HTML, and write it up on a wiki page
ACTION: pkra to compare MathML tables with HTML, and write it up on a wiki page ←
15:31:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Compare mathml tables with html, and write it up on a wiki page [on Peter Krautzberger - due 2014-10-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-27 - Compare mathml tables with html, and write it up on a wiki page [on Peter Krautzberger - due 2014-10-13]. ←
15:31:14 <Karen> Bill: the alignment issue is also important in poetry; so not just for Maths; want it to be seen as a more general alignment
Bill Kasdorf: the alignment issue is also important in poetry; so not just for Maths; want it to be seen as a more general alignment ←
15:31:21 <Karen> Markus: the agenda is beginning to look stable
Markus Gylling: the agenda is beginning to look stable ←
15:31:24 <Karen> …next thing we have
…next thing we have ←
15:31:28 <Karen> …looking at agenda
…looking at agenda ←
15:31:35 <Karen> …and we will spend time at TPAC with PF
…and we will spend time at TPAC with PF ←
15:31:48 <Karen> …we have been working with Janina and others to prepare a document
…we have been working with Janina and others to prepare a document ←
15:31:58 <Karen> …We thought that we would take some quality time here to look at the document
…We thought that we would take some quality time here to look at the document ←
15:32:01 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-content-and-markup/ document on the repo
Ivan Herman: -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-content-and-markup/ document on the repo ←
15:32:07 <Karen> …and ask Tzviya to describe the input she has had from PF
…and ask Tzviya to describe the input she has had from PF ←
15:32:19 <Karen> …and from our side, have a firm idea of where we should be when TPAC ends
…and from our side, have a firm idea of where we should be when TPAC ends ←
15:32:23 <Karen> …regarding the actual work
…regarding the actual work ←
15:32:39 <Karen> …and make sure we use time before TPAC to get this [document] published, that would be really great
…and make sure we use time before TPAC to get this [document] published, that would be really great ←
15:32:47 <Karen> …we'll look forward to learning more in the next half hour
…we'll look forward to learning more in the next half hour ←
15:33:00 <Karen> Tzviya: We have been looking to find a way to do structural HTML
Tzviya Siegman: We have been looking to find a way to do structural HTML ←
15:33:14 <Karen> …we are familiar with EPUB structural semantics vocab
…we are familiar with EPUB structural semantics vocab ←
15:33:30 <Karen> …this document includes a proposal to work with PF to create a digpub vocab of a module of ARIA
…this document includes a proposal to work with PF to create a digpub vocab of a module of ARIA ←
15:33:39 <Karen> …and earlier version of doc was shared with Protocols and Formats
…and earlier version of doc was shared with Protocols and Formats ←
15:33:42 <Karen> …we cleaned up a bit
…we cleaned up a bit ←
15:33:54 <Karen> ..mostly linguistic clarity about responsibilities of this group
..mostly linguistic clarity about responsibilities of this group ←
15:34:00 <Karen> …than how it fits with ARIA
…than how it fits with ARIA ←
15:34:11 <Karen> …and more clearly delineate the benefits of the structural semantics vocab
…and more clearly delineate the benefits of the structural semantics vocab ←
15:34:16 <Karen> …I think the intro is pretty clear
…I think the intro is pretty clear ←
15:34:18 <dkaplan3> q+
Deborah Kaplan: q+ ←
15:34:23 <Karen> …Sorry I just sent out the doc
…Sorry I just sent out the doc ←
15:34:36 <Karen> …historically this has been a problem to provide accessible content
…historically this has been a problem to provide accessible content ←
15:34:45 <Karen> …and to create HTML content that is reusable and easy to write
…and to create HTML content that is reusable and easy to write ←
15:34:58 <Karen> …So what we hope to accomplish is to sit down with PF WG to work through issues
…So what we hope to accomplish is to sit down with PF WG to work through issues ←
15:35:16 <Karen> …Setting up this voca; taking look at existing @ vocab; sort out what needs to be there; duplicates
…Setting up this voca; taking look at existing @ vocab; sort out what needs to be there; duplicates ←
15:35:20 <Karen> …tags that are associated
…tags that are associated ←
15:35:32 <Karen> …and then we will…there is a lot of work
…and then we will…there is a lot of work ←
15:35:43 <Karen> …needs to have an exact mapping to technologies; to each of these tags
…needs to have an exact mapping to technologies; to each of these tags ←
15:35:52 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:35:55 <Karen> …if I say "chapter" I need to define, what behavior that iplies
…if I say "chapter" I need to define, what behavior that iplies ←
15:35:58 <Karen> s/implies
s/implies ←
15:36:07 <Karen> …there is an existing set of terms defined by IDPF
…there is an existing set of terms defined by IDPF ←
15:36:10 <Karen> …list of 200 terms
…list of 200 terms ←
15:36:15 <Karen> …we may need to winnow that down
…we may need to winnow that down ←
15:36:19 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:36:23 <Karen> …but make sure we have a clear definitation of those terms
…but make sure we have a clear definitation of those terms ←
15:36:31 <Karen> …hopefully have marching orders to do that out of TPAC
…hopefully have marching orders to do that out of TPAC ←
15:36:37 <Karen> …and write it up in the ARIA style
…and write it up in the ARIA style ←
15:36:42 <Karen> …here's what it means; here's how it works
…here's what it means; here's how it works ←
15:36:52 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:36:56 <Karen> ack Deborah
ack Deborah ←
15:36:57 <mgylling> ack dkaplan
Markus Gylling: ack dkaplan ←
15:37:05 <Karen> dkaplan: I have feedback about the document
Deborah Kaplan: I have feedback about the document ←
15:37:15 <Karen> …should I bring it up now, or is this more of a structural conversation?
…should I bring it up now, or is this more of a structural conversation? ←
15:37:32 <Karen> Tzviya: If brief, yes; otherwise, I will take email comments on GitHub
Tzviya Siegman: If brief, yes; otherwise, I will take email comments on GitHub ←
15:37:39 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:37:40 <Karen> Deborah: ok, I'll send on GitHub
Deborah Kaplan: ok, I'll send on GitHub ←
15:37:46 <Karen> ivan: two things
Ivan Herman: two things ←
15:37:53 <Karen> …one is that it's my understanding
…one is that it's my understanding ←
15:38:12 <Karen> …if we do not define assistive technology for a particular term
…if we do not define assistive technology for a particular term ←
15:38:17 <Karen> …then the enclosed tag is valid
…then the enclosed tag is valid ←
15:38:25 <Karen> …if we do not define for each and every 200 terms
…if we do not define for each and every 200 terms ←
15:38:33 <Karen> …for assistive technologies, that is sort of ok?
…for assistive technologies, that is sort of ok? ←
15:38:43 <Karen> Tzviya: I'll let Markus answer
Tzviya Siegman: I'll let Markus answer ←
15:38:48 <Karen> Markus: that's the idea, yes
Markus Gylling: that's the idea, yes ←
15:38:57 <Karen> …these 200 terms may be a misleading thing
…these 200 terms may be a misleading thing ←
15:39:04 <Karen> …One of problems we struggled with in IDPF voca
…One of problems we struggled with in IDPF voca ←
15:39:07 <Karen> …is core set
…is core set ←
15:39:17 <Karen> …of domain-agnostic terms everyone can recognize
…of domain-agnostic terms everyone can recognize ←
15:39:24 <Karen> …but also have domains...
…but also have domains... ←
15:39:42 <Karen> …we have engaged with educational publishers who want to have hundreds of their terms recognized
…we have engaged with educational publishers who want to have hundreds of their terms recognized ←
15:39:50 <Karen> …Twofold; a publishing vocabulalry
…Twofold; a publishing vocabulalry ←
15:39:55 <Karen> …a core set of common terms
…a core set of common terms ←
15:40:07 <Karen> …and then this unfinished space, called distributed extensitbility
…and then this unfinished space, called distributed extensitbility ←
15:40:10 <Karen> …the ideal solution
…the ideal solution ←
15:40:28 <Karen> …we would have to embrace core common terms and other domains
…we would have to embrace core common terms and other domains ←
15:40:37 <Karen> …what you just asked is critical
…what you just asked is critical ←
15:40:50 <Karen> …If assistive tech encounters a term it does not recognize, then it is not a major issue
…If assistive tech encounters a term it does not recognize, then it is not a major issue ←
15:40:56 <Karen> Ivan: that is very important
Ivan Herman: that is very important ←
15:41:04 <Karen> …I have a second, different question
…I have a second, different question ←
15:41:12 <Karen> …Who will "own" this specification?
…Who will "own" this specification? ←
15:41:24 <Karen> …on the one hand, we have to have a clear consensus of the user community
…on the one hand, we have to have a clear consensus of the user community ←
15:41:37 <Karen> …which means that the terms themselves should be defined by IDPF
…which means that the terms themselves should be defined by IDPF ←
15:41:48 <Karen> …on the other hand, I assume PF wants to have that as a rec coming from PF
…on the other hand, I assume PF wants to have that as a rec coming from PF ←
15:41:54 <Karen> …to reinforce its validity for HTML
…to reinforce its validity for HTML ←
15:42:03 <Karen> …I am not sure how this whole thing will play out in practice
…I am not sure how this whole thing will play out in practice ←
15:42:19 <Karen> ..I would be very concerned if the definition of all the terms is in the hands exclusively of PF
..I would be very concerned if the definition of all the terms is in the hands exclusively of PF ←
15:42:23 <Karen> …we need IDPF
…we need IDPF ←
15:42:44 <Karen> Markus: I think it has been the common pre-conception that this ARIA @ will be published under W3C IP process
Markus Gylling: I think it has been the common pre-conception that this ARIA @ will be published under W3C IP process ←
15:42:54 <Karen> …it wants to become part of ARIA
…it wants to become part of ARIA ←
15:43:06 <Karen> …whether terms and conditions are in line or external has not been decided yet
…whether terms and conditions are in line or external has not been decided yet ←
15:43:10 <Karen> …we need to figure out how to do it
…we need to figure out how to do it ←
15:43:22 <Karen> …if we duplicate a subset in @ space, we would have synchronization issues
…if we duplicate a subset in @ space, we would have synchronization issues ←
15:43:28 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-
Bill Kasdorf: q- ←
15:43:36 <Karen> …if we have PF module to subset elsewhere, it could be cleaner
…if we have PF module to subset elsewhere, it could be cleaner ←
15:43:41 <Karen> …not sure if it would lead to IP issues
…not sure if it would lead to IP issues ←
15:43:51 <Karen> Ivan: That is not a problem in case of IDPF
Ivan Herman: That is not a problem in case of IDPF ←
15:44:00 <Karen> …process is such that it should not create a problem
…process is such that it should not create a problem ←
15:44:06 <Karen> …i don't think we need to decide this here
…i don't think we need to decide this here ←
15:44:30 <Karen> …If we could find a way to get 3-4 people sitting down, like Ralph, to have a clean setup for processes that would not lead to problems later
…If we could find a way to get 3-4 people sitting down, like Ralph, to have a clean setup for processes that would not lead to problems later ←
15:44:31 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:44:38 <Karen> Tzviya: This is also a question that Rich asked me
Tzviya Siegman: This is also a question that Rich asked me ←
15:44:53 <Karen> Ivan: So involving Ralph and Ian during one of the lunch periods on Friday is a good idea
Ivan Herman: So involving Ralph and Ian during one of the lunch periods on Friday is a good idea ←
15:45:10 <Karen> Markus: clarify; document would be published under W3C IP
Markus Gylling: clarify; document would be published under W3C IP ←
15:45:24 <Karen> Tzviya: he asked about clarification of IP and stated partnership with IDPF
Tzviya Siegman: he asked about clarification of IP and stated partnership with IDPF ←
15:45:37 <Karen> Ivan: As an IG, we are not chartered to produce formal recommendations
Ivan Herman: As an IG, we are not chartered to produce formal recommendations ←
15:45:51 <Karen> …we an participate in the work, but it has to be published as a recommendation by a Working Group
…we an participate in the work, but it has to be published as a recommendation by a Working Group ←
15:45:54 <Karen> …all the iP issues
…all the iP issues ←
15:45:59 <Karen> …Wiley, formally should join
…Wiley, formally should join ←
15:46:05 <Karen> Tzviya: we did on Friday
Tzviya Siegman: we did on Friday ←
15:46:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> great news about Wiley joining!!
Bill Kasdorf: great news about Wiley joining!! ←
15:46:28 <Karen> Ivan: We need a clear space for IDPF
Ivan Herman: We need a clear space for IDPF ←
15:46:39 <Karen> Markus: And we need to discuss the vocab terms
Markus Gylling: And we need to discuss the vocab terms ←
15:46:40 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:46:43 <Karen> …in terms of a document
…in terms of a document ←
15:46:50 <Karen> …we need to figure out how to squeeze that part in
…we need to figure out how to squeeze that part in ←
15:47:02 <Karen> …don't need to decide that now, but answer those questions in the document
…don't need to decide that now, but answer those questions in the document ←
15:47:15 <Karen> …that IDPF is in the doc and is contributing its vocab in more detail
…that IDPF is in the doc and is contributing its vocab in more detail ←
15:47:18 <Karen> …that is one thing
…that is one thing ←
15:47:18 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:47:33 <Karen> Markus: I have a question
Markus Gylling: I have a question ←
15:47:36 <Karen> …Chapter two
…Chapter two ←
15:47:43 <Karen> …about assistive technologies
…about assistive technologies ←
15:48:00 <Karen> …one of the eye openers I had working with educational publishers is the importance of semantic richness
…one of the eye openers I had working with educational publishers is the importance of semantic richness ←
15:48:06 <Karen> …@ time and repurposing time
…@ time and repurposing time ←
15:48:14 <Karen> …I don't think we have authoring and repurposing
…I don't think we have authoring and repurposing ←
15:48:18 <Karen> …should we add that?
…should we add that? ←
15:48:23 <Karen> Tzviya: That makes sense
Tzviya Siegman: That makes sense ←
15:48:34 <Karen> Markus: Maybe remove 1-5 to clear space and add a section 4
Markus Gylling: Maybe remove 1-5 to clear space and add a section 4 ←
15:48:53 <Karen> …in-house processing or processing behaviors
…in-house processing or processing behaviors ←
15:48:54 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:49:02 <Karen> Tzviya: all right
Tzviya Siegman: all right ←
15:49:10 <Karen> Markus: Anything else you would like to bring up?
Markus Gylling: Anything else you would like to bring up? ←
15:49:27 <Karen> Tzviya: the meeting we have with PF is about broader accessibility issues
Tzviya Siegman: the meeting we have with PF is about broader accessibility issues ←
15:49:42 <Karen> …Deborah, you had a comment, and also Charles is on phone…other issues?
…Deborah, you had a comment, and also Charles is on phone…other issues? ←
15:49:45 <Karen> Deborah: sure
Deborah Kaplan: sure ←
15:49:51 <Karen> …my issue was about… in the document
…my issue was about… in the document ←
15:50:03 <Karen> …section on improved navigation, locating print artifacts
…section on improved navigation, locating print artifacts ←
15:50:13 <Karen> …I was thinking about ability to ignore print artifacts
…I was thinking about ability to ignore print artifacts ←
15:50:28 <Karen> …sometimes those artifacts can get loud and distracting
…sometimes those artifacts can get loud and distracting ←
15:50:35 <Karen> …you should be able to ignore them, too
…you should be able to ignore them, too ←
15:50:41 <Karen> Markus: page numbers for example
Markus Gylling: page numbers for example ←
15:50:45 <Karen> Tzviya: ok
Tzviya Siegman: ok ←
15:50:53 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:50:55 <Karen> Markus: Anything else?
Markus Gylling: Anything else? ←
15:51:01 <Karen> Deborah: That was my initial feedback
Deborah Kaplan: That was my initial feedback ←
15:51:18 <Karen> …I think this conversation has been very useful to me on how to re-read this document for feedback
…I think this conversation has been very useful to me on how to re-read this document for feedback ←
15:51:26 <Karen> …about how it will be used
…about how it will be used ←
15:51:29 <Karen> …this has been helpful
…this has been helpful ←
15:51:38 <Karen> Markus: Good, please keep it coming
Markus Gylling: Good, please keep it coming ←
15:51:46 <Karen> Tzviya: yes, this is not final by any means
Tzviya Siegman: yes, this is not final by any means ←
15:51:54 <Karen> Markus: Meant to be a joint statement
Markus Gylling: Meant to be a joint statement ←
15:52:08 <Karen> Tzviya: I need to pass these comments along to PF, but not today due to my schedule
Tzviya Siegman: I need to pass these comments along to PF, but not today due to my schedule ←
15:52:13 <Karen> …I will get it to them soon
…I will get it to them soon ←
15:52:30 <Karen> Markus: Anyone else?
Markus Gylling: Anyone else? ←
15:52:42 <Karen> …if no more questions, we can end early
…if no more questions, we can end early ←
15:52:44 <azaroth> q+ to ask about next week, as holiday in US
Robert Sanderson: q+ to ask about next week, as holiday in US ←
15:53:07 <Karen> Markus: Ivan mentioned specifying IP expectations
Markus Gylling: Ivan mentioned specifying IP expectations ←
15:53:15 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:53:18 <Karen> …if there is a standard way to express that, please let us know
…if there is a standard way to express that, please let us know ←
15:53:25 <Karen> Ivan: not sure I understand what you are asking
Ivan Herman: not sure I understand what you are asking ←
15:53:48 <Karen> Tzviya: Rich commented if this is work of joint TF, we need to explain how content was generated
Tzviya Siegman: Rich commented if this is work of joint TF, we need to explain how content was generated ←
15:53:56 <Karen> Ivan: you mean the document you produce right now?
Ivan Herman: you mean the document you produce right now? ←
15:54:00 <Karen> Tzviya: yes
Tzviya Siegman: yes ←
15:54:08 <Karen> Ivan: that will be a Note; not so relevant
Ivan Herman: that will be a Note; not so relevant ←
15:54:22 <Karen> …but eventual module needs to be published by WG
…but eventual module needs to be published by WG ←
15:54:30 <Karen> Markus: yes, and we wanted to suggest stating that clearly
Markus Gylling: yes, and we wanted to suggest stating that clearly ←
15:54:43 <Karen> Ivan: We make it clear that goal is to produce a rec published by PF WG
Ivan Herman: We make it clear that goal is to produce a rec published by PF WG ←
15:54:52 <Karen> …with contributions from this IG
…with contributions from this IG ←
15:54:56 <Karen> …then that by itself is clear
…then that by itself is clear ←
15:55:06 <Karen> …and it comes under IP protection of PF WG
…and it comes under IP protection of PF WG ←
15:55:12 <Karen> …does not require a pre-defined statement
…does not require a pre-defined statement ←
15:55:17 <mgylling> ack azaroth
Markus Gylling: ack azaroth ←
15:55:17 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask about next week, as holiday in US
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15:55:19 <Karen> Tzviya: A week from today is a holiday
Tzviya Siegman: A week from today is a holiday ←
15:55:22 <Karen> Rob: yes
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15:55:30 <Karen> Markus: holiday again!
Markus Gylling: holiday again! ←
15:55:54 <Karen> Tzviya: It's for Christopher Columbus
Tzviya Siegman: It's for Christopher Columbus ←
15:56:03 <Karen> Rob: Will we have call or not?
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15:56:05 <dauwhe> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day
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15:56:07 <Ayla-Stein> How can you discover a continent that already has people there? We should meet in protest!
Ayla Stein: How can you discover a continent that already has people there? We should meet in protest! ←
15:56:12 <Karen> Markus: I am leaning towards doing it?
Markus Gylling: I am leaning towards doing it? ←
15:56:16 <Ayla-Stein> j/k
Ayla Stein: j/k ←
15:56:19 <Ayla-Stein> but not really
Ayla Stein: but not really ←
15:56:27 <Karen> Ivan: I need to send regrets but for other reasons
Ivan Herman: I need to send regrets but for other reasons ←
15:56:35 <clapierre> regrets as well I will be out of town.
Charles LaPierre: regrets as well I will be out of town. ←
15:56:37 <Karen> @: Office is open, but sending regrets
@: Office is open, but sending regrets ←
15:56:42 <Karen> Markus: Let's do the call
Markus Gylling: Let's do the call ←
15:56:45 <azaroth> Regrets from me as well
Robert Sanderson: Regrets from me as well ←
15:56:52 <Bert> (Possible regrets from me also. Not sure yet.)
Bert Bos: (Possible regrets from me also. Not sure yet.) ←
15:56:53 <Karen> …but we may change our minds end of week
…but we may change our minds end of week ←
15:56:56 <Karen> …Thanks everyone
…Thanks everyone ←
15:57:01 <Karen> …talk to you hopefully next week
…talk to you hopefully next week ←
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15:57:07 <Karen> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:57:26 <Karen> welcome!
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16:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were astearns, clapierre, Markus, Ivan, Tzviya, pkra, astein, dauwhe, Karen_Myers, dkaplan3, LauraD, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, philm, murakami, azaroth, +1.201.783.aaaa,
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