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14:05:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:05:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes
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14:05:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:05:25 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2014
14:06:21 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting agenda for 2014-05-19: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014May/0028.html
Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting agenda for 2014-05-19: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014May/0028.html ←
14:06:32 <ivan> Chair: Markus
14:06:41 <ivan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014May/0028.html
14:07:47 <ivan> Regrets: Gerardo Capiel, Alan Stearns, Karen Myers, Tim Cole, Vladimir Levantovsky
Scribe problem: the name 'Tim Cole' does not match any of the 68 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki
14:08:11 <ivan> Regrets+ Thierry Michel
Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Thierry Michel ←
14:08:20 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:08:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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14:11:27 <pkra> ivan I don't seem to have permissions to edit the wiki?
Peter Krautzberger: ivan I don't seem to have permissions to edit the wiki? ←
14:11:44 <ivan> You should...
Ivan Herman: You should... ←
14:12:43 <ivan> Do you use your pkra login? That is what you seem to be registered with
Ivan Herman: Do you use your pkra login? That is what you seem to be registered with ←
14:21:06 <dauwhe> Regrets+ Dave Cramer
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Dave Cramer: Regrets+ Dave Cramer ←
14:23:42 <ivan> Regrets+ Bert
Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Bert ←
14:32:28 <pkra1> ivan I don't seem to be able to save on the wiki.
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Peter Krautzberger: ivan I don't seem to be able to save on the wiki. ←
14:33:10 <pkra1> any pointers?
Peter Krautzberger: any pointers? ←
14:45:20 <pkra> ivan just a sec
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Peter Krautzberger: ivan just a sec ←
14:46:10 <pkra> You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Users.
Peter Krautzberger: You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Users. ←
14:46:26 <pkra> ah.
Peter Krautzberger: ah. ←
14:46:29 <pkra> I'm not logged in?
Peter Krautzberger: I'm not logged in? ←
14:46:35 <pkra> now that's silly...
Peter Krautzberger: now that's silly... ←
14:47:18 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
14:47:27 <ivan> Yes, logging in certainly helps
Ivan Herman: Yes, logging in certainly helps ←
14:48:19 <pkra> I thought I was earlier -- let me try again...
Peter Krautzberger: I thought I was earlier -- let me try again... ←
14:48:38 <pkra> nope -- works like a charm.
Peter Krautzberger: nope -- works like a charm. ←
14:48:46 <pkra> Sorry about that O:-)
Peter Krautzberger: Sorry about that O:-) ←
14:48:51 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
14:49:07 <pkra> and thanks for the quick help.
Peter Krautzberger: and thanks for the quick help. ←
14:49:19 <ivan> I did not do anything:-)
Ivan Herman: I did not do anything:-) ←
14:49:39 <pkra> well, hand-holding counts ;)
Peter Krautzberger: well, hand-holding counts ;) ←
14:49:46 <pkra> I've added four use cases. I'm not sure I got the language right.
Peter Krautzberger: I've added four use cases. I'm not sure I got the language right. ←
14:55:49 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started
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14:55:56 <Zakim> + +1.646.336.aaaa
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14:56:40 <ivan> Regrets+ Brady
Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Brady ←
14:57:42 <Zakim> + +1.617.453.aabb
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14:57:50 <Zakim> +??P2
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14:57:53 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:57:53 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:57:55 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:17 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??p2 is me
Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??p2 is me ←
14:58:17 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
14:58:24 <Zakim> + +1.240.421.aacc
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14:58:33 <Zakim> + +1.505.603.aadd
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14:58:44 <ivan> zakim, aabb is julie
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is julie ←
14:58:44 <Zakim> +julie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +julie; got it ←
14:59:22 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.48.38.aaee ←
14:59:25 <ivan> zakim, aacc is AH_Miller
Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is AH_Miller ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> +AH_Miller; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AH_Miller; got it ←
14:59:38 <Zakim> +Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya ←
14:59:51 <ivan> zakim, aaee azaroth_
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee azaroth_ ←
14:59:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaee azaroth_', ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aaee azaroth_', ivan ←
15:00:00 <azaroth_> zakim, who is here?
Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.646.336.aaaa, julie, gcapiel, Ivan, AH_Miller, +1.505.603.aadd, +33.6.48.38.aaee, Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.646.336.aaaa, julie, gcapiel, Ivan, AH_Miller, +1.505.603.aadd, +33.6.48.38.aaee, Tzviya ←
15:00:02 <ivan> zakim, aaee is Luc
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee is Luc ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see Laura_Fowler, AH_Miller, azaroth_, tzviya, mgylling, Luc, liza, gcapiel, Julie, azaroth, pkra, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Laura_Fowler, AH_Miller, azaroth_, tzviya, mgylling, Luc, liza, gcapiel, Julie, azaroth, pkra, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it ←
15:00:07 <azaroth_> zakim, aadd is azaroth
Robert Sanderson: zakim, aadd is azaroth ←
15:00:07 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it ←
15:00:18 <Zakim> + +1.201.236.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.236.aaff ←
15:00:31 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.216.aagg ←
15:00:38 <ivan> zakim, aaff is pbelfanti
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaff is pbelfanti ←
15:00:38 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pbelfanti; got it ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> +??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28 ←
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.617.858.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.858.aahh ←
15:01:04 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:01:15 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.646.336.aaaa (51%), Ivan (21%), Bert (75%)
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.646.336.aaaa (51%), Ivan (21%), Bert (75%) ←
15:01:17 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.585.217.aaii ←
15:01:21 <mgylling> zakim, ??P28 is me
Markus Gylling: zakim, ??P28 is me ←
15:01:21 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
15:01:29 <Zakim> -AH_Miller
Zakim IRC Bot: -AH_Miller ←
15:01:33 <Zakim> - +1.617.858.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.858.aahh ←
15:01:36 <ivan> zakim, mute Bert
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute Bert ←
15:01:36 <Zakim> Bert should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Bert should now be muted ←
15:01:38 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
15:02:01 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aajj ←
15:02:02 <ivan> zakim, aagg is Laura_Fowler
Ivan Herman: zakim, aagg is Laura_Fowler ←
15:02:02 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Laura_Fowler; got it ←
15:02:16 <ivan> zakim, aajj is benjaminsko
Ivan Herman: zakim, aajj is benjaminsko ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +benjaminsko; got it ←
15:02:18 <Zakim> + +1.617.858.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.858.aakk ←
15:02:25 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
15:02:39 <ivan> zakim, aakk is pkra
Ivan Herman: zakim, aakk is pkra ←
15:02:39 <Zakim> +pkra; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pkra; got it ←
15:02:45 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aall
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.734.904.aall ←
15:02:46 <mgylling> regrets: Gerardo, Alan, Dave, Karen, Vladimir, Brady
Scribe problem: the name 'Alan' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Alan Tam Alan Stearns . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
15:03:07 <ivan> zakim, aall is Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: zakim, aall is Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:03:07 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it ←
15:03:16 <ivan> regrets+ thierry
Ivan Herman: regrets+ thierry ←
15:04:05 <Zakim> +AH_Miller
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15:04:27 <ivan> scribenick: benjaminsko
(Scribe set to Ben Ko)
15:05:01 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-dpub-minutes.html Minutes of last week
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-dpub-minutes.html Minutes of last week ←
15:06:14 <benjaminsko> Next monday's meeting is cancelled. week after that is tentatively for dave cramer to talk about GCPM module within CSS and status update and next steps for LATIN REQ document
Next monday's meeting is cancelled. week after that is tentatively for dave cramer to talk about GCPM module within CSS and status update and next steps for LATIN REQ document ←
15:06:20 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne_Taylor ←
15:06:59 <ivan> Topic: structural semantics
15:07:29 <benjaminsko> ...Two topics: we didn't finish discussion on structural semantics so will spend some time on it today and look at next steps with various stake holder groups. After that, we'll talk about STEM task force and setup a plan to build a corpus of use cases around science and math
...Two topics: we didn't finish discussion on structural semantics so will spend some time on it today and look at next steps with various stake holder groups. After that, we'll talk about STEM task force and setup a plan to build a corpus of use cases around science and math ←
15:07:41 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics
Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics ←
15:09:21 <benjaminsko> ...Gerardo has appended a bit to the use case collection esp in SVG and infographics area. Let's edit use cases and complete them more. Don't need to do that here as that's editorial stuff. But we shouldn't forget about the use cases before we start talking about solutions. Remind everyone to read through them
...Gerardo has appended a bit to the use case collection esp in SVG and infographics area. Let's edit use cases and complete them more. Don't need to do that here as that's editorial stuff. But we shouldn't forget about the use cases before we start talking about solutions. Remind everyone to read through them ←
15:09:21 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:09:43 <ivan> ack pkra
Ivan Herman: ack pkra ←
15:09:44 <mgylling> ack pkra
Markus Gylling: ack pkra ←
15:10:04 <benjaminsko> pkra: Just added some uses cases for STEM to the wiki
Peter Krautzberger: Just added some uses cases for STEM to the wiki ←
15:10:44 <benjaminsko> ...Added 2 use cases to enhance user agent behavior-domain-specific fragments, in math mght have theorems and proofs, might be reused but only in reference...
...Added 2 use cases to enhance user agent behavior-domain-specific fragments, in math mght have theorems and proofs, might be reused but only in reference... ←
15:11:54 <benjaminsko> ..leveraging annotation xml in mathml which is used to provide semantically rich...these pop up in the content repurping section...formula chem. equations...not thinking of 3d representations, these will often use presentation mathml but there is some semantics for chemistry
..leveraging annotation xml in mathml which is used to provide semantically rich...these pop up in the content repurping section...formula chem. equations...not thinking of 3d representations, these will often use presentation mathml but there is some semantics for chemistry ←
15:12:18 <benjaminsko> ...content mathml is ofeten used to represent math. in computational environemnts, making it available for reuse is a good use case
...content mathml is often used to represent math. in computational environemnts, making it available for reuse is a good use case ←
15:12:59 <ivan> s/ofeten/often/
15:13:01 <benjaminsko> mgylling: these are all in terms of user-agent behavior or reprocessing behavior
Markus Gylling: these are all in terms of user-agent behavior or reprocessing behavior ←
15:13:10 <benjaminsko> pkra: they also touch accessiblity
Peter Krautzberger: they also touch accessiblity ←
15:14:07 <benjaminsko> ...didnt know how to incorporate the use cases into table bc does not require new solution..
...didnt know how to incorporate the use cases into table bc does not require new solution.. ←
15:14:42 <benjaminsko> mgylling: does what peter is talking about count as structural semantics? annotaiton xml already has a solution. we might move a few to another page as housekeeping
Markus Gylling: does what peter is talking about count as structural semantics? annotaiton xml already has a solution. we might move a few to another page as housekeeping ←
15:15:22 <benjaminsko> ivan: i dont know whether the various options we discussed like the role or hyphen attribute - is it without a problem to use it inside the mathml element?
Ivan Herman: i dont know whether the various options we discussed like the role or hyphen attribute - is it without a problem to use it inside the mathml element? ←
15:16:04 <benjaminsko> ...in a way even if we didnt say it explicitly, all the solutions we have in the table we concentrated on html, and want to be sure none of the solutions would create a problem in mathml or svg
...in a way even if we didnt say it explicitly, all the solutions we have in the table we concentrated on html, and want to be sure none of the solutions would create a problem in mathml or svg ←
15:16:29 <benjaminsko> mgylling: there are svg uses cases here. the role attribute is making its way into svg 2.0. it's true that for SVG it's very much needed.
Markus Gylling: there are svg uses cases here. the role attribute is making its way into svg 2.0. it's true that for SVG it's very much needed. ←
15:16:34 <benjaminsko> ivan: and what about mathml?
Ivan Herman: and what about mathml? ←
15:17:10 <benjaminsko> mgylling: if you look at peter's domain specific content fragments up in enabling enhacned user agent behaviors, where user would adapt level of detail by nature of the references depends on wheter it's exposed during the reading
Markus Gylling: if you look at peter's domain specific content fragments up in enabling enhacned user agent behaviors, where user would adapt level of detail by nature of the references depends on wheter it's exposed during the reading ←
15:17:34 <benjaminsko> pkra: that's the one case that doesnt touch mathml directly, you are looking at microdata or other markup that would provide semantic strucutre
Peter Krautzberger: that's the one case that doesnt touch mathml directly, you are looking at microdata or other markup that would provide semantic strucutre ←
15:17:51 <benjaminsko> mgylling: in terms of inlining inside mathml, is there anyone else who has been doing anything?
Markus Gylling: in terms of inlining inside mathml, is there anyone else who has been doing anything? ←
15:18:08 <benjaminsko> ivan: bert, is it illegal to use the role attribute within mathml?
Ivan Herman: bert, is it illegal to use the role attribute within mathml? ←
15:18:12 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:18:17 <benjaminsko> Bert: good question
15:18:35 <benjaminsko> ivan: or is it allowed to use ebook dash- something in mathml?
Ivan Herman: or is it allowed to use ebook dash- something in mathml? ←
15:19:20 <benjaminsko> Bert: it should be yes because it's xml. if annotation element had speech text would need to expose that
Peter Krautzberger: it should yes because it's xml. if annotation element had speech text would need to expose that ←
15:19:50 <benjaminsko> ...the way mathml is integrated into html5, it should work, html tags are allowed to mix within mathml tags so it should be valid. i will reach out to math group
...the way mathml is integrated into html5, it should work, html tags are allowed to mix within mathml tags so it should be valid. i will reach out to math group ←
15:19:52 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:19:55 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
15:20:47 <benjaminsko> tzviya: we're talking about 2 diff issues. peter's use case about domain-specific content frag is not specific to math, could apply to any kind of book. the other issues we might be able to think about if this is specific to this category(???) o if this is a mathml issue
Tzviya Siegman: we're talking about 2 diff issues. peter's use case about domain-specific content frag is not specific to math, could apply to any kind of book. the other issues we might be able to think about if this is specific to this category(???) o if this is a mathml issue ←
15:21:31 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: wasn't ivan's question, as we zero in on these mechanisms, make sure we don't do anything in conflict with mathml
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: wasn't ivan's question, as we zero in on these mechanisms, make sure we don't do anything in conflict with mathml ←
15:21:36 <benjaminsko> ivan: yes that was my concern
Ivan Herman: yes that was my concern ←
15:21:57 <benjaminsko> pkra: i was browsing the mathml spec. i think ??? is fine within mathml
Peter Krautzberger: i was browsing the mathml spec. i think @role is fine within mathml ←
15:22:11 <Bert> s/???/@role/
15:22:11 <ivan> s/Bert: it should be/pkra: it should/
15:22:22 <pkra> http://www.w3.org/Math/draft-spec/chapter5.html#mixing.annotation.keys
Peter Krautzberger: http://www.w3.org/Math/draft-spec/chapter5.html#mixing.annotation.keys ←
15:22:24 <benjaminsko> gcapiel: i worked with Rich and i think role is totally fine. is it specific to SVG 2, not sure
Gerardo Capiel: i worked with Rich and i think role is totally fine. is it specific to SVG 2, not sure ←
15:22:43 <benjaminsko> mgylling: move to the table
Markus Gylling: move to the table ←
15:23:09 <benjaminsko> ...first of all, during last week's call, tzviya made all the updates yes?
...first of all, during last week's call, tzviya made all the updates yes? ←
15:23:12 <benjaminsko> tzviya: yes
Tzviya Siegman: yes ←
15:23:24 <benjaminsko> mgylling: anything we didn't spend enough time on last week?
Markus Gylling: anything we didn't spend enough time on last week? ←
15:24:24 <benjaminsko> mgylling: looks like we got through the whole thing last week. that's good. to repeat, we're doing this exercise so that ???will publish a recommendation on how to handle this in the future. doesnt mean everyone has to follow it slavishly but it will make it easier for common uses cases
Markus Gylling: looks like we got through the whole thing last week. that's good. to repeat, we're doing this exercise so that ???will publish a recommendation on how to handle this in the future. doesnt mean everyone has to follow it slavishly but it will make it easier for common uses cases ←
15:25:17 <benjaminsko> ...we need to hone in on one. from last week's discussion it would appear that the two options that are closest to being a good choice are the role attribute and the hyphen space attribute, row 2 and row 3 from the end. they meet most of the criteria, custom elements meet a lot fo them as well except for scripting
...we need to hone in on one. from last week's discussion it would appear that the two options that are closest to being a good choice are the role attribute and the hyphen space attribute, row 2 and row 3 from the end. they meet most of the criteria, custom elements meet a lot fo them as well except for scripting ←
15:25:30 <benjaminsko> ...tentativelt we look it as a sledgehammer solution to a simple problem.
...tentativelt we look it as a sledgehammer solution to a simple problem. ←
15:26:03 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:26:08 <tzviya> +1
Tzviya Siegman: +1 ←
15:26:10 <benjaminsko> ...my suggestion is make an agreement on what solutions to focus on going forward. the role attribute and they hypen attributes are the two best options and we should focus on them going forward. what do people think?
...my suggestion is make an agreement on what solutions to focus on going forward. the role attribute and they hypen attributes are the two best options and we should focus on them going forward. what do people think? ←
15:26:21 <liza> I care
15:26:24 <benjaminsko> ...do you think i'm right or does no one care?
...do you think i'm right or does no one care? ←
15:26:38 <david_stroup> aree with markus
David Stroup: aree with markus ←
15:26:51 <david_stroup> agree with markus
David Stroup: agree with markus ←
15:27:00 <benjaminsko> Luc: can the role and hypen attributes be as general a s possible? can i use them to put ANY structure, any semantic structure,?
Luc Audrain: can the role and hypen attributes be as general a s possible? can i use them to put ANY structure, any semantic structure,? ←
15:28:06 <benjaminsko> mgylling: shouldn't be constrained by the spec and should be able to use the vocab you want. if a hyphen attribute is defined, the definer can make up the rules and it can be as locked down or as sextensible as we want. as to the role attribute, we'll have to discuss with the ARIA PF (?) working group
Markus Gylling: shouldn't be constrained by the spec and should be able to use the vocab you want. if a hyphen attribute is defined, the definer can make up the rules and it can be as locked down or as sextensible as we want. as to the role attribute, we'll have to discuss with the ARIA PF (?) working group ←
15:28:12 <benjaminsko> .. no one has forgotten extensibility
.. no one has forgotten extensibility ←
15:28:19 <Bert> q+
15:28:47 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: strikes me that discussion with ARIA is urgent unless consensus is hyphen attribute
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: strikes me that discussion with ARIA is urgent unless consensus is hyphen attribute ←
15:29:11 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
15:29:23 <benjaminsko> mgylling: we should contact the PF working group and start discussions with them. one of the next working items to talk with Rich ?? and by him the PF working group. Action item for me.
Markus Gylling: we should contact the PF working group and start discussions with them. one of the next working items to talk with Rich Schwerdtfeger and by him the PF working group. Action item for me. ←
15:29:28 <mgylling> ack Bert
Markus Gylling: ack Bert ←
15:29:34 <benjaminsko> ...need to know how vocabs would be maintained and so on
...need to know how vocabs would be maintained and so on ←
15:29:50 <benjaminsko> Bert: are you saying a single solution would apply to all use cases?
Bert Bos: are you saying a single solution would apply to all use cases? ←
15:30:15 <ivan> s/??/Schwerdtfeger/
15:30:46 <benjaminsko> mgylling: we prob. want to move the mathml use cases from ths wiki page since they have a solution already (annotation xml). i was talking about the use cases before the mathml use cases was added.
Markus Gylling: we prob. want to move the mathml use cases from ths wiki page since they have a solution already (annotation xml). i was talking about the use cases before the mathml use cases was added. ←
15:31:05 <benjaminsko> Bert: indexes don't need anything new
Bert Bos: indexes don't need anything new ←
15:31:10 <benjaminsko> ivan: why?
Ivan Herman: why? ←
15:31:36 <Luc> +q
Luc Audrain: +q ←
15:31:41 <benjaminsko> Bert: i would do index it with class and dfn element, so no new elements or attributes are necessary. maybe glossary we do need something new.
Bert Bos: i would do index it with class and dfn element, so no new elements or attributes are necessary. maybe glossary we do need something new. ←
15:31:52 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:31:54 <benjaminsko> ...the different use cases may not all use the same solutions
...the different use cases may not all use the same solutions ←
15:32:11 <benjaminsko> mgylling: so did you say the html spec definrs a class attriburte for index?
Markus Gylling: so did you say the html spec definrs a class attriburte for index? ←
15:32:38 <tzviya> q-
Tzviya Siegman: q- ←
15:32:49 <benjaminsko> Bert: no, but i've been using class att for years. don't need to define a dash attribute. for index that should be fine, perhaps not for glossary but that's a diff use case
Bert Bos: no, but i've been using class att for years. don't need to define a dash attribute. for index that should be fine, perhaps not for glossary but that's a diff use case ←
15:33:00 <pbelfanti> Need to drop - regreets
Paul Belfanti: Need to drop - regreets ←
15:33:05 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
Zakim IRC Bot: -pbelfanti ←
15:33:06 <benjaminsko> mgylling: so you are sugg. we use the class attribute. we recommend against it, and you disagree?
Markus Gylling: so you are sugg. we use the class attribute. we recommend against it, and you disagree? ←
15:33:20 <benjaminsko> Bert: for that use case, yes, but not for the other use cases
Bert Bos: for that use case, yes, but not for the other use cases ←
15:33:23 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:33:45 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: could you explain the distinction that makes class permissable for index but not glossary?
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: could you explain the distinction that makes class permissable for index but not glossary? ←
15:33:48 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:34:24 <benjaminsko> Bert: for index, it's small thing, not much to do. use class/microformat.
Bert Bos: for index, it's small thing, not much to do. use class/microformat. ←
15:34:44 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: asking because epub indexing spec is much more complex than that
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: asking because epub indexing spec is much more complex than that ←
15:34:54 <Luc> EPUB Index 1.0 uses epub:type!
Luc Audrain: EPUB Index 1.0 uses epub:type! ←
15:34:57 <mgylling> http://www.idpf.org/epub/idx/
Markus Gylling: http://www.idpf.org/epub/idx/ ←
15:35:13 <benjaminsko> Bert: well maybe we should have discussion sometime because i doubt it's that complex
Bert Bos: well maybe we should have discussion sometime because i doubt it's that complex ←
15:35:17 <mgylling> ack Luc
Markus Gylling: ack Luc ←
15:35:41 <benjaminsko> mgylling: biblical diff in ambition here
Markus Gylling: biblical diff in ambition here ←
15:36:02 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:36:31 <benjaminsko> Luc: if we move to role attributes we will lose what we are doing with epub type?
Luc Audrain: if we move to role attributes we will lose what we are doing with epub type? ←
15:37:23 <benjaminsko> mgylling: that's idpf problem not our problem. if idpf decides to move away from epub type ther would be a period of transition and pain. idpf has not made up its mind yet. their prob, not this group's
Markus Gylling: that's idpf problem not our problem. if idpf decides to move away from epub type ther would be a period of transition and pain. idpf has not made up its mind yet. their prob, not this group's ←
15:38:02 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:38:10 <benjaminsko> Luc: would have to move to general html5 solution if we choose to ex...semantic picture with role attributes
Luc Audrain: would have to move to general html5 solution if we choose to ex...semantic picture with role attributes ←
15:39:06 <benjaminsko> ivan: several things, many attribute values used w/ epubtypes are useful outside the book world. if we go ith something that replaces epub type, that means we provide a number of attribute values..that users might pick up not only for books
Ivan Herman: several things, many attribute values used w/ epubtypes are useful outside the book world. if we go ith something that replaces epub type, that means we provide a number of attribute values..that users might pick up not only for books ←
15:39:30 <benjaminsko> ...actually this is also back to Bert's comment: i believe that there are cases where current solutions do work.
...actually this is also back to Bert's comment: i believe that there are cases where current solutions do work. ←
15:39:30 <Luc> +q
Luc Audrain: +q ←
15:40:09 <benjaminsko> ...want a general mech. that are close to one another that authors could use easily, that's what this table is trying to do
...want a general mech. that are close to one another that authors could use easily, that's what this table is trying to do ←
15:40:26 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:40:30 <benjaminsko> ..goal is to make it easy and obvious and have unified mechanism
..goal is to make it easy and obvious and have unified mechanism ←
15:40:45 <benjaminsko> tzviya: going back to what bert said: if there is an easy html solution i'd love to see it
Tzviya Siegman: going back to what bert said: if there is an easy html solution i'd love to see it ←
15:41:33 <benjaminsko> Bert: if i may clarify, i'm talking about a specific use case. don't need to specify any format for the index at all for the spec. use cases
Bert Bos: if i may clarify, i'm talking about a specific use case. don't need to specify any format for the index at all for the spec. use cases ←
15:42:07 <benjaminsko> tzviya: we tried to be somewhat broad, perhaps we should be specific. there are more use cases that we could include.
Tzviya Siegman: we tried to be somewhat broad, perhaps we should be specific. there are more use cases that we could include. ←
15:42:39 <benjaminsko> mgylling: maybe we s/look at the index one again and see if we need to spice it up a bit?
Markus Gylling: maybe we s/look at the index one again and see if we need to spice it up a bit? ←
15:42:43 <benjaminsko> tzviya: sure
Tzviya Siegman: sure ←
15:42:44 <mgylling> ack Luc
Markus Gylling: ack Luc ←
15:43:21 <benjaminsko> Luc: th vocab of epubtypes is used outside the book world. all the vocabs we can find in the semantic web are very useful
Luc Audrain: th vocab of epubtypes is used outside the book world. all the vocabs we can find in the semantic web are very useful ←
15:44:29 <benjaminsko> ...a book can be divided into books, sections, but different chapters ...geographical meaning...not a chapter but a town or region...would be useful for ARIA, for question of accessibility
...a book can be divided into books, sections, but different chapters ...geographical meaning...not a chapter but a town or region...would be useful for ARIA, for question of accessibility ←
15:44:37 <benjaminsko> mgylling: are you talking about RDFa>
Markus Gylling: are you talking about RDFa> ←
15:45:13 <benjaminsko> mgylling: why dont we want to use RDFa for this kind of stuff?
Markus Gylling: why dont we want to use RDFa for this kind of stuff? ←
15:45:24 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:45:26 <benjaminsko> Luc: in the table in the wiki we decided not use RDFA.
Luc Audrain: in the table in the wiki we decided not use RDFA. ←
15:45:35 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:45:36 <benjaminsko> ..you did not provide RDFa as an option
..you did not provide RDFa as an option ←
15:47:06 <benjaminsko> ivan: point is we voted against RDFa for the use cases that we are describing here. i would not vote RDFa out altogether. when we are talking about semantics that are ...RDFa is the natural way of doing it. Ebooks today put in meta statements all those can be done in RDFa. but when we ask which ones is a chapter or section, that's a diff. use case.
Ivan Herman: point is we voted against RDFa for the use cases that we are describing here. i would not vote RDFa out altogether. when we are talking about semantics that are ...RDFa is the natural way of doing it. Ebooks today put in meta statements all those can be done in RDFa. but when we ask which ones is a chapter or section, that's a diff. use case. ←
15:47:56 <benjaminsko> mgylling: close discussion for now. action item: i will reach out to see if the this is an option for us. and now to STEM
Markus Gylling: close discussion for now. action item: i will reach out to see if the this is an option for us. and now to STEM ←
15:48:12 <benjaminsko> ...Peter you worked with Jean Kaplansky. did you discuss scope or primary areas you want to work on?
...Peter you worked with Jean Kaplansky. did you discuss scope or primary areas you want to work on? ←
15:48:21 <benjaminsko> pkra: no. open to suggestions
Peter Krautzberger: no. open to suggestions ←
15:48:35 <benjaminsko> ..also interested in who might be interested in who might want to work with me?
..also interested in who might be interested in who might want to work with me? ←
15:49:42 <benjaminsko> mgylling: this kind of content challenges pub. the most today. it is one of hte most acutely in need areas for pub. right now if you include accessibility. so i think one good strategy is to start and build up a collection of use cases
Markus Gylling: this kind of content challenges pub. the most today. it is one of hte most acutely in need areas for pub. right now if you include accessibility. so i think one good strategy is to start and build up a collection of use cases ←
15:49:56 <benjaminsko> ..to get peple to join and help out moving forward.
..to get peple to join and help out moving forward. ←
15:50:37 <benjaminsko> ...objective is to identify areas where open web platform does not meed the needs of dig publishing. what we wan to encode is where all these scenarios are.
...objective is to identify areas where open web platform does not meed the needs of dig publishing. what we wan to encode is where all these scenarios are. ←
15:51:26 <benjaminsko> ... tzviya: chenistrry is often captured images, sometimes captured mathml. math is a little bit different. a lot of the challenge you face is browser support
... tzviya: chenistrry is often captured images, sometimes captured mathml. math is a little bit different. a lot of the challenge you face is browser support ←
15:51:27 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:51:57 <benjaminsko> mgylling: that's one of the issues here. i dont really see what we can do to improve browser support
Markus Gylling: that's one of the issues here. i dont really see what we can do to improve browser support ←
15:52:21 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:52:39 <benjaminsko> ivan: we already had a case with fonts where we came to conclusion already...no there is nothing missing, there may be practical implementation issues, but not specification issues.
Ivan Herman: we already had a case with fonts where we came to conclusion already...no there is nothing missing, there may be practical implementation issues, but not specification issues. ←
15:53:30 <benjaminsko> ...i dont know if that's the case for mathml...maybe it's perfect and all issues are solved? STEM is not only mathml. there are a number of issues that do come up in STEM
...i dont know if that's the case for mathml...maybe it's perfect and all issues are solved? STEM is not only mathml. there are a number of issues that do come up in STEM ←
15:54:03 <benjaminsko> ...it's a little bit the education world. maybe other issues like interactivity, needed in STEM, math or no. where pub do hit spec issues.
...it's a little bit the education world. maybe other issues like interactivity, needed in STEM, math or no. where pub do hit spec issues. ←
15:54:19 <benjaminsko> ...does SVG fulfill those requirements?
...does SVG fulfill those requirements? ←
15:54:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:54:41 <benjaminsko> ...is canvas acceptable for publishers
...is canvas acceptable for publishers ←
15:54:51 <benjaminsko> ?? i agree with that
pkra i agree with that ←
15:55:10 <tzviya> s/??/pkra
15:55:29 <benjaminsko> ??? STEM side there are limitations. if anyone has good expertise there, it would be much appreciated
Peter Krautzberger: STEM side there are limitations. if anyone has good expertise there, it would be much appreciated ←
15:55:31 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:55:41 <mgylling> ack Bill_
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_ ←
15:55:56 <ivan> s/???/pkra:/
15:56:07 <benjaminsko> ?? what is status of talks with metrodigi?
Gerardo what is status of talks with metrodigi? ←
15:56:17 <mgylling> s/??/Gerardo
15:56:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:56:26 <mgylling> ack Bill_
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_ ←
15:56:31 <benjaminsko> ivan: had some good conversation in salt lake
Ivan Herman: had some good conversation in salt lake ←
15:57:05 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:57:45 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:57:49 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: versioning and authentication. that field lives and dies by a published paper being valid or not. it provides a mech. to let them know if they are using the latest version...
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: versioning and authentication. that field lives and dies by a published paper being valid or not. it provides a mech. to let them know if they are using the latest version... ←
15:58:26 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:58:27 <benjaminsko> tzviya: i can talk to my colleagues at Wiley Online, cross-referencing, we live and die by DOI as well
Tzviya Siegman: i can talk to my colleagues at Wiley Online, cross-referencing, we live and die by DOI as well ←
15:58:35 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:58:41 <benjaminsko> tzviya: when you are doing open heart surgery it has to be the right guide
Tzviya Siegman: when you are doing open heart surgery it has to be the right guide ←
15:58:46 <liza> Hopefully no one consulting that guide during said surgery
Liza Daly: Hopefully no one consulting that guide during said surgery ←
15:59:19 <benjaminsko> ivan: this opens up a huge area and i dont know if it's not too huge for us. dont know if it's too big for us. would love to get there but that opens a whole lot of issues.
Ivan Herman: this opens up a huge area and i dont know if it's not too huge for us. dont know if it's too big for us. would love to get there but that opens a whole lot of issues. ←
15:59:49 <benjaminsko> ..i dont know if we have the expertise here to handle that.
..i dont know if we have the expertise here to handle that. ←
16:00:02 <benjaminsko> ...many of probs that relate to books relate to journal publishing
...many of probs that relate to books relate to journal publishing ←
16:00:36 <pkra> +1 -- works for me.
Peter Krautzberger: +1 -- works for me. ←
16:00:49 <benjaminsko> mgylling: for peter, consolidate a new wiki page with STEM use cases. You focus on yr area of expertise first--stuff surrounding math. take what you and jean added earlier, prune the other stuff....
Markus Gylling: for peter, consolidate a new wiki page with STEM use cases. You focus on yr area of expertise first--stuff surrounding math. take what you and jean added earlier, prune the other stuff.... ←
16:01:15 <benjaminsko> ...structural sem subclassing of elements, and lift that over to yr new page. that would be step 1. does that work?
...structural sem subclassing of elements, and lift that over to yr new page. that would be step 1. does that work? ←
16:01:17 <benjaminsko> pkra: yes
Peter Krautzberger: yes ←
16:01:45 <benjaminsko> mgylling: talk again in 2 weeks next week's meeting is cancelled
Markus Gylling: talk again in 2 weeks next week's meeting is cancelled ←
16:01:46 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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16:01:50 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
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16:01:51 <Zakim> - +1.646.336.aaaa
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16:06:54 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, mgylling, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM
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16:06:56 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.646.336.aaaa, +1.617.453.aabb, Ivan, gcapiel, +1.240.421.aacc, +1.505.603.aadd, julie, +33.6.48.38.aaee, AH_Miller, Tzviya, Luc, azaroth, +1.201.236.aaff,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.646.336.aaaa, +1.617.453.aabb, Ivan, gcapiel, +1.240.421.aacc, +1.505.603.aadd, julie, +33.6.48.38.aaee, AH_Miller, Tzviya, Luc, azaroth, +1.201.236.aaff, ←
16:06:57 <Zakim> ... +1.609.216.aagg, pbelfanti, Bert, +1.617.858.aahh, +1.585.217.aaii, mgylling, +1.917.447.aajj, Laura_Fowler, madi, benjaminsko, +1.617.858.aakk, pkra, +1.734.904.aall,
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.609.216.aagg, pbelfanti, Bert, +1.617.858.aahh, +1.585.217.aaii, mgylling, +1.917.447.aajj, Laura_Fowler, madi, benjaminsko, +1.617.858.aakk, pkra, +1.734.904.aall, ←
16:06:57 <Zakim> ... Bill_Kasdorf, Suzanne_Taylor
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16:07:10 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:07:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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16:07:30 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
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16:07:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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16:07:30 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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16:07:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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16:07:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
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16:07:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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