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14:27:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:27:48 <trackbot> Date: 28 April 2014
14:54:42 <liza> Bill's notes for today: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata#NEAR_TERM_GOALS
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Liza Daly: Bill's notes for today: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata#NEAR_TERM_GOALS ←
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14:55:20 <Zakim> +liza
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14:56:33 <ivan> zakim, code?
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14:56:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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14:56:51 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:03 <Zakim> +benjaminsko
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14:58:11 <Zakim> + +1.718.701.aaaa
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14:58:41 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Laura
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14:58:41 <Zakim> +Laura; got it
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14:58:50 <ivan> Guest: Laura Dawson, Bowker
14:58:53 <Zakim> + +1.646.336.aabb
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14:58:57 <Zakim> +??P9
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14:59:07 <Zakim> +Tzviya
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14:59:24 <mgylling> zakim, ??P9 is me
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14:59:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:59:31 <Zakim> + +1.217.244.aacc
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15:00:04 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Julie_Morris_BISG
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15:00:13 <philm> 212.364 is me
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15:00:27 <Zakim> +??P11
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15:00:39 <philm> aadd is me
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15:00:41 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Tim_Cole
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15:00:42 <Zakim> +duga
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15:01:11 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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15:01:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, Laura, Julie_Morris_BISG, mgylling, Tzviya, [IPcaller], Tim_Cole, +1.212.364.aadd, ??P11, duga
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15:01:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns ←
15:01:24 <Zakim> +madi
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15:01:30 <ivan> zakim, aadd is philm
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15:01:31 <Zakim> +david_stroup
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15:01:48 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is AH_Miller
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15:01:52 <Zakim> +Vlad
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15:01:52 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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15:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, Laura, Julie_Morris_BISG, mgylling, Tzviya, AH_Miller, Tim_Cole, philm, ??P11, duga, madi, david_stroup, +1.734.904.aaee, Vlad
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15:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, TimCole, Vlad, brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, liam, trackbot,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, TimCole, Vlad, brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, liam, trackbot, ←
15:01:53 <Zakim> ... plinss, astearns
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15:02:14 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler
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15:02:18 <Zakim> +casey
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15:02:19 <ivan> zakim, aaee is Bill_Kasdorf
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15:03:32 <ivan> scribenick: benjaminsko
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15:03:38 <Zakim> +Bert
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15:03:39 <ivan> Chair: Liza
15:03:57 <karen> zakim, code?
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15:03:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), karen
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15:04:03 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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15:04:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, Laura, Julie_Morris_BISG, mgylling, Tzviya, AH_Miller, Tim_Cole, philm, ??P11, duga, madi, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, Laura, Julie_Morris_BISG, mgylling, Tzviya, AH_Miller, Tim_Cole, philm, ??P11, duga, madi, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, ←
15:04:06 <Zakim> ... Laura_Fowler, casey, Bert
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15:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, karen, Bert, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, TimCole, Vlad, brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, karen, Bert, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, TimCole, Vlad, brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent, ←
15:04:06 <Zakim> ... mgylling, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns
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15:04:31 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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15:04:34 <Zakim> + +33.9.53.85.aaff
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15:04:40 <ivan> zakim, aaff is Luc
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15:04:48 <tmichel> zakim, mute me
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15:04:48 <Zakim> sorry, tmichel, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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15:04:50 <tzviya> scribe: tzviya
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15:05:18 <ivan> zakim, aaff is tmichel
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15:05:25 <ivan> zakim, Luc is aaff
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15:05:32 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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15:05:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, Laura, Julie_Morris_BISG, mgylling, Tzviya, AH_Miller, Tim_Cole, philm, ??P11, duga, madi, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, Laura, Julie_Morris_BISG, mgylling, Tzviya, AH_Miller, Tim_Cole, philm, ??P11, duga, madi, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, ←
15:05:35 <Zakim> ... Laura_Fowler, casey, Bert, Karen_Myers, aaff
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15:05:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, karen, Bert, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, TimCole, Vlad, brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, karen, Bert, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, TimCole, Vlad, brady_duga, Luc, Julie, philm, tzviya, benjaminsko, tmichel, liza, AH_Miller, david_stroup, Zakim, RRSAgent, ←
15:05:35 <Zakim> ... mgylling, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns
Zakim IRC Bot: ... mgylling, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns ←
15:06:07 <tzviya> scribenick:tzviya
15:06:23 <tmichel> zakim, mute tmichel
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15:06:23 <Zakim> sorry, tmichel, I do not know which phone connection belongs to tmichel
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15:06:25 <liza> Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-minutes.html
Scribe problem: the name 'Minutes' does not match any of the 71 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Laura Dawson Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-minutes.html [ Scribe Assist by Liza Daly ] ←
15:06:39 <tzviya> minutes approved
minutes approved ←
15:06:51 <tzviya> liza: guest intros
15:07:35 <tzviya> laura dawson: product manager for identifiers at bowker, involved in digital publishing, spoke to Bill K about metadata
laura dawson: product manager for identifiers at bowker, involved in digital publishing, spoke to Bill K about metadata ←
15:07:40 <Zakim> +??P37
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15:07:49 <gcapiel> zakim, ??P37 is me
Gerardo Capiel: zakim, ??P37 is me ←
15:07:49 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
15:08:19 <tzviya> Tom Cole, of Univ of illinois, working with metadata for about 20 years
Tom Cole, of Univ of illinois, working with metadata for about 20 years ←
15:09:10 <tzviya> liza: Bill provided reading material based on interviews with metadata experts in industry
Liza Daly: Bill provided reading material based on interviews with metadata experts in industry ←
15:09:45 <tzviya> ...there are some issues that Bill raised that are out of scope of W3C. e.g. identifiers - known problem, but we will not try to solve it
...there are some issues that Bill raised that are out of scope of W3C. e.g. identifiers - known problem, but we will not try to solve it ←
15:10:03 <Zakim> -??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11 ←
15:10:32 <tzviya> ...we will talk about metadata as a method for transporting data, as in ONIX
...we will talk about metadata as a method for transporting data, as in ONIX ←
15:10:53 <tzviya> ...that may not be as relevant to the web
...that may not be as relevant to the web ←
15:11:11 <Zakim> +Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc ←
15:11:11 <tzviya> ...section-level metadata is extremely relevant to web
...section-level metadata is extremely relevant to web ←
15:11:58 <tzviya> ...the network of metadata, that is the relationship of pieces of metadata to each other, is extremely relevant to web
...the network of metadata, that is the relationship of pieces of metadata to each other, is extremely relevant to web ←
15:12:24 <tzviya> ...rights metadata (not DRM) is also a high-level topic
...rights metadata (not DRM) is also a high-level topic ←
15:13:02 <Zakim> +dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe ←
15:13:43 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
15:14:15 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: more interviews to come. Madi's interviews not yet posted
Bill Kasdorf: more interviews to come. Madi's interviews not yet posted ←
15:14:41 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi ←
15:15:05 <tzviya> ...Bill interviewed people across industry. Madi interviewed experts within Pearson
...Bill interviewed people across industry. Madi interviewed experts within Pearson ←
15:15:20 <liza> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata#NEAR_TERM_GOALS
Liza Daly: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata#NEAR_TERM_GOALS ←
15:15:48 <tzviya> ...summary is available on wiki
...summary is available on wiki ←
15:16:20 <tzviya> ...complexity and inconsistency are major issues, driving a desire for simplicity
...complexity and inconsistency are major issues, driving a desire for simplicity ←
15:16:40 <Zakim> -casey
Zakim IRC Bot: -casey ←
15:16:45 <tzviya> ...some have suggested putting ONIX into schema.og
...some have suggested putting ONIX into schema.og ←
15:16:56 <tzviya> og/s/org
og/s/org ←
15:17:43 <tzviya> ...leaning toward focusing on embedded metadata that aids in discoverability and sales
...leaning toward focusing on embedded metadata that aids in discoverability and sales ←
15:18:00 <tzviya> ...this led to exploring Thema
...this led to exploring Thema ←
15:18:45 <tzviya> ...Different regions have different specs for subject codes: BISAC, BIC, etc. Thema universalizes them
...Different regions have different specs for subject codes: BISAC, BIC, etc. Thema universalizes them ←
15:20:31 <tzviya> philm: Thema is very high-level, a classification that travels
Phil Madans: Thema is very high-level, a classification that travels ←
15:20:40 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne_Taylor ←
15:21:06 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:21:10 <tzviya> ...the question is how granular do we want to ger?
...the question is how granular do we want to ger? ←
15:21:31 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
15:21:53 <tzviya> ..example is content about specific battle in World War II. Thema classification does not go beyond WWII
..example is content about specific battle in World War II. Thema classification does not go beyond WWII ←
15:22:45 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: When within a domain, require details of that level
Bill Kasdorf: When within a domain, require details of that level ←
15:23:40 <tzviya> ...this gets to a separate point - I don't think we should get into vocabularies, other than providing the mechanism for creating them
...this gets to a separate point - I don't think we should get into vocabularies, other than providing the mechanism for creating them ←
15:23:52 <tzviya> ...we can provide keywording
...we can provide keywording ←
15:23:54 <dauwhe> q-
Dave Cramer: q- ←
15:24:00 <liza> ack ivan
15:24:14 <tzviya> ...some people wish for OWP to do things it can already do
...some people wish for OWP to do things it can already do ←
15:24:46 <tzviya> ...Some people want ONIX-lite, but what parts are of interest?
...Some people want ONIX-lite, but what parts are of interest? ←
15:25:29 <tzviya> ivan: we have terminology problems among communities
Ivan Herman: we have terminology problems among communities ←
15:25:45 <tzviya> ...schema.org contains main classes and properties
...schema.org contains main classes and properties ←
15:26:04 <tzviya> ...others contain classifications
...others contain classifications ←
15:26:37 <ivan> http://blog.schema.org/2012/05/schemaorg-markup-for-external-lists.html
Ivan Herman: http://blog.schema.org/2012/05/schemaorg-markup-for-external-lists.html ←
15:26:38 <tzviya> ...the approach of schema.org is to accept agreed upon but external terms. They do not want to standardize that
...the approach of schema.org is to accept agreed upon but external terms. They do not want to standardize that ←
15:27:46 <tzviya> ...this link points to a description of what schema.org will accept in a specific circumstance, in this case, wikipedia URIs
...this link points to a description of what schema.org will accept in a specific circumstance, in this case, wikipedia URIs ←
15:28:53 <tzviya> ...what we need to agree upon is what schema.org will accept - what classes and properties, allowing for volatility within the specification to which they point
...what we need to agree upon is what schema.org will accept - what classes and properties, allowing for volatility within the specification to which they point ←
15:29:25 <TimCole> q+
Scribe problem: the name 'TimCole' does not match any of the 71 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Laura Dawson Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'TimCole' does not match any of the 71 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Laura Dawson Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown TimCole: q+ ←
15:29:31 <liza> ack TimCole
15:30:15 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: there are so many different sides to publishing, and not all needs are aligned
Bill Kasdorf: there are so many different sides to publishing, and not all needs are aligned ←
15:31:18 <tzviya> Tim: another issue with things like ONIX, in addition to volatility, is the way that they are used
Tim Clark: another issue with things like ONIX, in addition to volatility, is the way that they are used ←
15:31:42 <tzviya> ...every publisher uses it differently - not a standardization success
...every publisher uses it differently - not a standardization success ←
15:32:05 <tzviya> ...the library world has attempted to add missing tags, such as imprint
...the library world has attempted to add missing tags, such as imprint ←
15:32:05 <philm> ?+
Phil Madans: ?+ ←
15:32:41 <philm> q+
Phil Madans: q+ ←
15:33:17 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: Recipients of metadata would like to see consistency, and publishers would like to see recipients standardize implementation
Bill Kasdorf: Recipients of metadata would like to see consistency, and publishers would like to see recipients standardize implementation ←
15:33:31 <ljnd> q+
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Unknown ljnd: q+ ←
15:34:25 <tzviya> liza: is standardizing thema? is a recommendation for schema within scope of this group?
Liza Daly: is standardizing thema? is a recommendation for schema within scope of this group? ←
15:35:35 <liza> ack philm
15:37:05 <tzviya> philm: agree that using vocabularies from different areas might be a good idea. ONIX sends a message with a lot of useful data, but some of it is not useful to web
Phil Madans: agree that using vocabularies from different areas might be a good idea. ONIX sends a message with a lot of useful data, but some of it is not useful to web ←
15:37:44 <tzviya> ...GS1 has useful info, but it doesn't have contributor element, so they used BISG best practices for ONIX
...GS1 has useful info, but it doesn't have contributor element, so they used BISG best practices for ONIX ←
15:38:17 <tzviya> ...We also need to look at different audiences. STM audience and general audience are going to be very different.
...We also need to look at different audiences. STM audience and general audience are going to be very different. ←
15:38:37 <liza> ack ljnd
15:38:41 <tzviya> ...Trade content is not often online, but STM content is often online.
...Trade content is not often online, but STM content is often online. ←
15:39:08 <tzviya> ljdn: Flexibility of allowing different vocabularies, but I would argue that trade books are not online YET
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Unknown ljdn: Flexibility of allowing different vocabularies, but I would argue that trade books are not online YET ←
15:39:23 <ivan> +1 Laura
Ivan Herman: +1 Laura ←
15:39:29 <liza> +1000 Laura
15:39:32 <tzviya> ...there may be a case for search engines to index the structure vocab of book for search
...there may be a case for search engines to index the structure vocab of book for search ←
15:39:38 <TimCole> from the EPub blog a comment on about sufficiency of ONIX contributor codes and Library of Congress MARC relator codes for comic books: https://code.google.com/p/epub-revision/issues/detail?id=23
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Unknown TimCole: from the EPub blog a comment on about sufficiency of ONIX contributor codes and Library of Congress MARC relator codes for comic books: https://code.google.com/p/epub-revision/issues/detail?id=23 ←
15:40:03 <liza> Well, it's a real thing we do at Safari
Liza Daly: Well, it's a real thing we do at Safari ←
15:40:04 <tzviya> ...probably want to web-enable books, even if do not sell them as online books
...probably want to web-enable books, even if do not sell them as online books ←
15:40:33 <tzviya> ...amazon has categories, B&N has categories, we should make categories
...amazon has categories, B&N has categories, we should make categories ←
15:41:03 <tzviya> liza: i get nervous when i hear ONIX-lite, because it sounds like we are creating a new standard and stepping on ONIX toes
Liza Daly: i get nervous when i hear ONIX-lite, because it sounds like we are creating a new standard and stepping on ONIX toes ←
15:41:22 <ljnd> Tzviya, not make caegories, just be aware that the publisher is not solely in control of describing their own books
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Unknown ljnd: Tzviya, not make categories, just be aware that the publisher is not solely in control of describing their own books ←
15:41:28 <ljnd> Vendors can as well
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Unknown ljnd: Vendors can as well ←
15:41:35 <ivan> s/caegories/categories/
15:41:36 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:41:40 <tzviya> ...but it makes sense to take a subset of currently available specs
...but it makes sense to take a subset of currently available specs ←
15:42:52 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: There is a medical vocab called UMFLS (?) with 1 mil concepts, maintained by NIH - one slice of STM
Bill Kasdorf: There is a medical vocab called UMLS (?) with 1 mil concepts, maintained by NIH - one slice of STM ←
15:43:02 <Julie> q+
Julie Morris: q+ ←
15:43:23 <ivan> s/UMFLS/UMLS/
15:43:51 <tzviya> ...issues arising, like subject, contributor, rights. Being able to base this on existing standards - point to an existing code list
...issues arising, like subject, contributor, rights. Being able to base this on existing standards - point to an existing code list ←
15:44:13 <liza> ack brady_duga
15:44:38 <tzviya> ...keywords is also important - author may not know what BISAC is, but can list keywords
...keywords is also important - author may not know what BISAC is, but can list keywords ←
15:45:23 <tzviya> brady-duga: a little nervous about putting just metadata and no data on internet, people want to find information, not just metadata when they search
Brady Duga: a little nervous about putting just metadata and no data on internet, people want to find information, not just metadata when they search ←
15:45:42 <liza> ack Julie
15:46:00 <tzviya> liza: agree, but I think it's reasonable for a search to lead to where can find information, not the actual info
Liza Daly: agree, but I think it's reasonable for a search to lead to where can find information, not the actual info ←
15:46:06 <brady_duga> Sorry - I am in the portion of my trip when the call drops, so I can't really respond more.
Brady Duga: Sorry - I am in the portion of my trip when the call drops, so I can't really respond more. ←
15:46:54 <ivan> +1 to Julie, this is the start
Ivan Herman: +1 to Julie, this is the start ←
15:46:56 <tzviya> julie: re: onix-lite concerns: BISG committee looking at schema.org and first identifying where connections already exist
Julie Morris: re: onix-lite concerns: BISG committee looking at schema.org and first identifying where connections already exist ←
15:47:11 <tzviya> ...there are probably more holes than there are connections
...there are probably more holes than there are connections ←
15:47:23 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:48:51 <tzviya> ...we may be able to identify where current schema.org elements mimic ONIX. i.e. we may not have to create ONIX-lite.
...we may be able to identify where current schema.org elements mimic ONIX. i.e. we may not have to create ONIX-lite. ←
15:49:18 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: it may be a recommendation of how to include ONIX info in schema.org.
Bill Kasdorf: it may be a recommendation of how to include ONIX info in schema.org. ←
15:49:37 <tzviya> liza: this group could then write rec of HOW to include the info and how to process
Liza Daly: this group could then write rec of HOW to include the info and how to process ←
15:50:16 <gcapiel> +q
Gerardo Capiel: +q ←
15:50:18 <liza> ack ivan
15:50:18 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: we have been focusing on schema.org. Is there anything else from OWP that we should look at?
Bill Kasdorf: we have been focusing on schema.org. Is there anything else from OWP that we should look at? ←
15:51:00 <tzviya> ivan: reinforce what Julie said: the first thing to do is look at existing vocabularies in schema.org to see if the exist, then add deltas
Ivan Herman: reinforce what Julie said: the first thing to do is look at existing vocabularies in schema.org to see if the exist, then add deltas ←
15:51:27 <Zakim> -aaff
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Zakim IRC Bot: -aaff ←
15:52:11 <tzviya> ...to answer Bill's question, in core OWP specs, there are no major tech change or improvement to implement
...to answer Bill's question, in core OWP specs, there are no major tech change or improvement to implement ←
15:52:22 <tzviya> ...we can act as go-between
...we can act as go-between ←
15:52:48 <liza> ack gcapiel
15:53:35 <tzviya> gcapiel: process of getting new properties into schema.org is tricky and not completely transparent. Still a good idea, but there are other ways to do it
Gerardo Capiel: process of getting new properties into schema.org is tricky and not completely transparent. Still a good idea, but there are other ways to do it ←
15:54:00 <tzviya> ...there are other vocabularies like microdata and RDFa
...there are other vocabularies like microdata and RDFa ←
15:54:05 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:54:23 <tzviya> ...the challenge is what search engines will pick it up
...the challenge is what search engines will pick it up ←
15:55:14 <tzviya> Ivan: the first thing to do is talk to the people involved and sit down with people who represent this industry (BISG or others)
Ivan Herman: the first thing to do is talk to the people involved and sit down with people who represent this industry (BISG or others) ←
15:55:24 <tzviya> ...and make our intentions clear
...and make our intentions clear ←
15:55:37 <tzviya> liza: is this an action item for ivan?
Liza Daly: is this an action item for ivan? ←
15:55:58 <tzviya> Ivan: it might not be for this group, might be appropriate for BISG
Ivan Herman: it might not be for this group, might be appropriate for BISG ←
15:57:21 <tzviya> Ivan: would need closer rep from Editeur if we invite schema.org reps to a meeting
Ivan Herman: would need closer rep from Editeur if we invite schema.org reps to a meeting ←
15:58:08 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: this group has a strong book bias, but this is far-reaching
Bill Kasdorf: this group has a strong book bias, but this is far-reaching ←
15:58:11 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
15:58:16 <liza> ack tzviya
15:59:11 <tzviya> tzviya: I thought we had agreed to narrow scope to books because that is who the representation is and we had to narrow it down
Tzviya Siegman: I thought we had agreed to narrow scope to books because that is who the representation is and we had to narrow it down ←
15:59:43 <tzviya> Ivan: if we take an exercise like ONIX, it helps to start with a smaller unit like books
Ivan Herman: if we take an exercise like ONIX, it helps to start with a smaller unit like books ←
16:00:20 <tzviya> ...I am happy to invite reps from schema.org, but I don't want to step on BISG's toes
...I am happy to invite reps from schema.org, but I don't want to step on BISG's toes ←
16:00:28 <TimCole> +q
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Unknown TimCole: +q ←
16:00:56 <tzviya> Julie: BISG would be interested in making sure that our work is checked over by schema.org and we have a stamp of approval
Julie Morris: BISG would be interested in making sure that our work is checked over by schema.org and we have a stamp of approval ←
16:01:03 <liza> ack TimCole
16:01:45 <tzviya> TimCole: there is also a CG looking at bibliographic extensions (BibEx). Is that represented in this group?
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Unknown TimCole: there is also a CG looking at bibliographic extensions (BibEx). Is that represented in this group? ←
16:01:48 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:01:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/28-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/28-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
16:01:50 <TimCole> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/
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Scribe problem: the name 'TimCole' does not match any of the 71 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Laura Dawson Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown TimCole: http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/ ←
16:02:16 <tzviya> ljdn: that group is not very active now and is focused on library work
Scribe problem: the name 'ljdn' does not match any of the 71 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Laura Dawson Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ljdn: that group is not very active now and is focused on library work ←
16:02:32 <tzviya> Liza: out of time. continue on list
Liza Daly: out of time. continue on list ←
16:02:35 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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16:02:36 <Zakim> -madi
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16:02:37 <Zakim> -Tzviya
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16:02:37 <Zakim> -Laura_Fowler
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16:02:39 <Zakim> -mgylling
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16:02:39 <Zakim> -Julie_Morris_BISG
Scribe problem: the name 'Julie_Morris_BISG' does not match any of the 71 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Laura Dawson Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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16:02:39 <Zakim> -Vlad
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16:02:39 <Zakim> -Laura
Scribe problem: the name 'Laura' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Laura Dawson Laura Fowler . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
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16:02:41 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
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16:02:41 <Zakim> -liza
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16:02:41 <Zakim> -philm
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16:02:42 <Zakim> -Tim_Cole
Scribe problem: the name 'Tim_Cole' does not match any of the 71 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Laura Dawson Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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16:02:42 <Zakim> -dauwhe
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16:02:42 <Zakim> -Luc
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16:02:43 <Zakim> -benjaminsko
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16:02:44 <Zakim> -Ivan
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16:02:45 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
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16:02:46 <Zakim> -Bert
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16:02:47 <Zakim> -david_stroup
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16:02:50 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:02:50 <Zakim> Attendees were liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, +1.718.701.aaaa, Laura, +1.646.336.aabb, Tzviya, mgylling, +1.217.244.aacc, +1.212.364.aadd, Julie_Morris_BISG, Tim_Cole, duga, madi, philm,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were liza, Ivan, benjaminsko, +1.718.701.aaaa, Laura, +1.646.336.aabb, Tzviya, mgylling, +1.217.244.aacc, +1.212.364.aadd, Julie_Morris_BISG, Tim_Cole, duga, madi, philm, ←
16:02:50 <Zakim> ... david_stroup, +1.734.904.aaee, AH_Miller, Vlad, Laura_Fowler, casey, Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, Karen_Myers, +33.9.53.85.aaff, aaff, gcapiel, Luc, dauwhe, Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: ... david_stroup, +1.734.904.aaee, AH_Miller, Vlad, Laura_Fowler, casey, Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, Karen_Myers, +33.9.53.85.aaff, aaff, gcapiel, Luc, dauwhe, Suzanne_Taylor ←
16:03:04 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:03:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/28-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/28-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
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