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14:02:53 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-irc ←
14:02:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
14:02:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub ←
14:02:57 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
14:02:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:02:58 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2014
14:06:57 <ivan> zakim, this will be 3782
Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be 3782 ←
14:06:57 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan ←
14:07:27 <Zakim> restarting in 1 minute to recover full bridge state
Zakim IRC Bot: restarting in 1 minute to recover full bridge state ←
14:08:14 <mgylling> ivan, our call starts 52 minutes from now right?
Markus Gylling: ivan, our call starts 52 minutes from now right? ←
14:08:58 <ivan> yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
14:09:03 <mgylling> ok, good
Markus Gylling: ok, good ←
14:09:05 <ivan> but zakim is sick:-(
Ivan Herman: but zakim is sick:-( ←
14:09:10 <Zakim> bot restarting; /invite bot in 1 minute if you wish
Zakim IRC Bot: bot restarting; /invite bot in 1 minute if you wish ←
14:09:30 <ivan> we had some internal issues due to heartbleed, had to change certificates
Ivan Herman: we had some internal issues due to heartbleed, had to change certificates ←
14:09:32 <ivan> :-(
Ivan Herman: :-( ←
14:09:38 <mgylling> ah
Markus Gylling: ah ←
14:09:44 <ivan> damn security issues
Ivan Herman: damn security issues ←
14:09:57 <ivan> but you see that zakim is rebooting, hopefully that will work
Ivan Herman: but you see that zakim is rebooting, hopefully that will work ←
14:27:18 <ivan> zakim, this will be 3782
(No events recorded for 17 minutes)
Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be 3782 ←
14:27:18 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes ←
14:56:00 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started
(No events recorded for 28 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started ←
14:56:08 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
14:56:14 <Zakim> + +1.617.453.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.453.aaaa ←
14:56:30 <Zakim> -??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P21 ←
14:56:39 <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.207.aabb ←
14:56:45 <dauwhe> Zakim, aabb is me
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aabb is me ←
14:56:45 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it ←
14:56:47 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
14:57:40 <fjh> zakim, code?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code? ←
14:57:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh ←
14:57:46 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P21 is me
Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P21 is me ←
14:57:46 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
14:57:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:57:56 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
14:57:56 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
14:58:11 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
14:58:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:58:26 <Zakim> + +1.505.603.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.505.603.aacc ←
14:59:00 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here? ←
14:59:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.617.453.aaaa, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, [IPcaller], +1.505.603.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.617.453.aaaa, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, [IPcaller], +1.505.603.aacc ←
14:59:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see brady_duga, azaroth, tzviya, AH_Miller, gcapiel, david_stroup, liza, fjh, Zakim, mgylling, RRSAgent, pbelfanti, Bert, dauwhe, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see brady_duga, azaroth, tzviya, AH_Miller, gcapiel, david_stroup, liza, fjh, Zakim, mgylling, RRSAgent, pbelfanti, Bert, dauwhe, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns ←
14:59:09 <azaroth> zakim, aacc is azaroth
Robert Sanderson: zakim, aacc is azaroth ←
14:59:09 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it ←
14:59:18 <Zakim> + +1.201.387.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.387.aadd ←
14:59:30 <tzviya> zakim, aadd is tzviya
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aadd is tzviya ←
14:59:30 <Zakim> +tzviya; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tzviya; got it ←
14:59:42 <liza> zakim, aaaa is me
Liza Daly: zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:59:42 <Zakim> +liza; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it ←
14:59:47 <Zakim> +??P32
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←
14:59:55 <mgylling> zakim, P32 is me
Markus Gylling: zakim, P32 is me ←
14:59:55 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P32'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P32' ←
15:00:05 <Zakim> + +1.201.236.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.236.aaee ←
15:00:06 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:00:11 <mgylling> zakim, ??P32 is me
Markus Gylling: zakim, ??P32 is me ←
15:00:11 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
15:00:15 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:00:26 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
15:00:44 <mgylling> zakim, who is here
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here ←
15:00:44 <Zakim> mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, you need to end that query with '?' ←
15:00:47 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see liza, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, [IPcaller], azaroth, tzviya, mgylling, +1.201.236.aaee, Ivan, duga, Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see liza, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, [IPcaller], azaroth, tzviya, mgylling, +1.201.236.aaee, Ivan, duga, Bert ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see brady_duga, azaroth, tzviya, AH_Miller, david_stroup, liza, fjh, Zakim, mgylling, RRSAgent, pbelfanti, Bert, dauwhe, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see brady_duga, azaroth, tzviya, AH_Miller, david_stroup, liza, fjh, Zakim, mgylling, RRSAgent, pbelfanti, Bert, dauwhe, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns ←
15:01:16 <ivan> zakim, aaee is pbelfanti
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee is pbelfanti ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pbelfanti; got it ←
15:01:19 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aaff ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.585.217.aagg ←
15:02:18 <mgylling> regrets: Thierry, Alan, Julie
Scribe problem: the name 'Alan' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Alan Tam Alan Stearns . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
15:03:26 <dauwhe> Zakim, IPcaller is AH_Miller
Dave Cramer: Zakim, IPcaller is AH_Miller ←
15:03:26 <Zakim> +AH_Miller; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AH_Miller; got it ←
15:03:29 <ivan> zakim, aaff is benjaminsko
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaff is benjaminsko ←
15:03:29 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +benjaminsko; got it ←
15:03:35 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is AH_Miller
Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller is AH_Miller ←
15:03:35 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller' ←
15:04:02 <ivan> zakim, aagg is david_stroup
Ivan Herman: zakim, aagg is david_stroup ←
15:04:02 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +david_stroup; got it ←
15:04:20 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
15:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.303.475.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.475.aahh ←
15:04:43 <karen> +1 scribes
Karen Myers: +1 scribes ←
15:05:17 <dauwhe> mgylling: before agenda, Michael Miller has joined W3C from Antenna House
Markus Gylling: before agenda, Michael Miller has joined W3C from Antenna House ←
15:05:21 <ivan> zakim, aahh is casey
Ivan Herman: zakim, aahh is casey ←
15:05:21 <Zakim> +casey; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +casey; got it ←
15:05:37 <dauwhe> AH_Miller: From Antenna House for 11 years
Scribe problem: the name 'AH_Miller' does not match any of the 68 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown AH_Miller: From Antenna House for 11 years ←
15:05:55 <dauwhe> ... we work with paged media
... we work with paged media ←
15:06:01 <dauwhe> ... interested in EPUB as well
... interested in EPUB as well ←
15:06:02 <Zakim> + +329331aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aaii ←
15:06:21 <dauwhe> ... been wanting to participate for some time, we finally convinced the president to join W3C
... been wanting to participate for some time, we finally convinced the president to join W3C ←
15:06:21 <TomDN> Zakim, +32 is me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, +32 is me ←
15:06:21 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it ←
15:06:33 <dauwhe> ... to work with the standards that influence our business so much
... to work with the standards that influence our business so much ←
15:06:41 <Zakim> +Vlad
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vlad ←
15:06:50 <dauwhe> mgylling: I expect that CSS and layouts are primary interests
Markus Gylling: I expect that CSS and layouts are primary interests ←
15:06:54 <Vlad> Sorry I am late
Vladimir Levantovsky: Sorry I am late ←
15:06:58 <dauwhe> ... are you aware of Latinreq
... are you aware of Latinreq ←
15:07:20 <dauwhe> AH_Miller: I've just started looking at it, along with Mr. Murakami
Scribe problem: the name 'AH_Miller' does not match any of the 68 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown AH_Miller: I've just started looking at it, along with Mr. Murakami ←
15:07:23 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne_Taylor ←
15:07:41 <dauwhe> mgylling: great, and welcome!
Markus Gylling: great, and welcome! ←
15:08:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: next Monday, major holiday in Sweden and most Euro countries
Markus Gylling: next Monday, major holiday in Sweden and most Euro countries ←
15:08:25 <fjh> regrets for next week
Frederick Hirsch: regrets for next week ←
15:08:33 <azaroth> regrets for next week too
Robert Sanderson: regrets for next week too ←
15:08:49 <david_stroup> regrets for next week
David Stroup: regrets for next week ←
15:08:57 <dauwhe> ... easy choice. Next monday's meeting is cancelled
... easy choice. Next monday's meeting is cancelled ←
15:09:08 <dauwhe> ... quick question about organizing a metadata call
... quick question about organizing a metadata call ←
15:09:15 <dauwhe> ... should we discuss this here?
... should we discuss this here? ←
15:09:37 <dauwhe> Ivan: Bill Kasdorf is out this week, so not being organized yet
Ivan Herman: Bill Kasdorf is out this week, so not being organized yet ←
15:09:43 <dauwhe> ... I was travelling
... I was travelling ←
15:10:03 <dauwhe> ... We should wait for Bill Kasdorf to come back, then organize call
... We should wait for Bill Kasdorf to come back, then organize call ←
15:10:27 <dauwhe> ... many emails recently from Luc and Julie Morris about mini-ONIX. Looks promising
... many emails recently from Luc and Julie Morris about mini-ONIX. Looks promising ←
15:10:47 <dauwhe> mgylling: Good. One upcoming meeting will be review of Bill/Madi interview sessions.
Markus Gylling: Good. One upcoming meeting will be review of Bill/Madi interview sessions. ←
15:10:54 <dauwhe> .... we could have metadata orgy in two weeks :)
.... we could have metadata orgy in two weeks :) ←
15:11:04 <dauwhe> ... two topics for today
... two topics for today ←
15:11:34 <dauwhe> ... Thierry is not here today
... Thierry is not here today ←
15:11:41 <dauwhe> ... but with Ivan and Karen here we can talk about
... but with Ivan and Karen here we can talk about ←
15:11:55 <dauwhe> ... Topic: w3c specs of interest to digital publishing community
... Topic: w3c specs of interest to digital publishing community ←
15:12:04 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB
Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB ←
15:12:19 <dauwhe> ... this is one of the deliverables we were charted to produce
... this is one of the deliverables we were charted to produce ←
15:12:26 <dauwhe> ... first sentence quotes charter
... first sentence quotes charter ←
15:12:43 <dauwhe> ... how is this intended to be used?
... how is this intended to be used? ←
15:12:58 <dauwhe> ... it's already exceedingly large, and such things become difficult to work with
... it's already exceedingly large, and such things become difficult to work with ←
15:13:12 <dauwhe> Ivan: w3c doesn't have any more say than anyone else
Ivan Herman: w3c doesn't have any more say than anyone else ←
15:13:19 <dauwhe> ... what's useful?
... what's useful? ←
15:13:27 <dauwhe> ... what information is useful for the community?
... what information is useful for the community? ←
15:13:57 <dauwhe> ... I would probably separate recommendations (cast in concrete)
... I would probably separate recommendations (cast in concrete) ←
15:14:08 <dauwhe> ... perhaps separate primers, tutorials (???)
... perhaps separate primers, tutorials (???) ←
15:14:29 <dauwhe> ... most important thing is probably documents that are important to community but haven't reached rec status
... most important thing is probably documents that are important to community but haven't reached rec status ←
15:14:39 <dauwhe> ... maybe get current plans on status
... maybe get current plans on status ←
15:14:56 <dauwhe> ... references to Editor's drafts as well as published versions
... references to Editor's drafts as well as published versions ←
15:15:12 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.48.38.aajj ←
15:15:26 <dauwhe> ... which of these are implemented? IDPF and BISG are already dealing with this on some level
... which of these are implemented? IDPF and BISG are already dealing with this on some level ←
15:15:44 <dauwhe> ... goal is getting info out of the maze of w3c pages, make it more accessible to the publishing community
... goal is getting info out of the maze of w3c pages, make it more accessible to the publishing community ←
15:15:47 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:15:53 <dauwhe> ... leave it to the group to decide what is useful
... leave it to the group to decide what is useful ←
15:15:56 <ivan> zakim, aajj is Luc
Ivan Herman: zakim, aajj is Luc ←
15:15:56 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it ←
15:15:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: right
Markus Gylling: right ←
15:16:20 <dauwhe> ...this could be a living resource, stay as wiki page
...this could be a living resource, stay as wiki page ←
15:16:42 <dauwhe> ... usually what happens is that when a WG closes, wiki pages become read-only
Ivan usually what happens is that when a WG closes, wiki pages become read-only ←
15:16:48 <dauwhe> s/.../Ivan
15:17:05 <dauwhe> Ivan: we might need to move to different wiki outside of DPUB, after DPUB closes
Ivan Herman: we might need to move to different wiki outside of DPUB, after DPUB closes ←
15:17:14 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.216.aakk ←
15:17:18 <dauwhe> mgylling: you mentioned palatibility
Markus Gylling: you mentioned palatibility ←
15:17:32 <dauwhe> ... the intended audience isn't exclusively w3c working groups and members
... the intended audience isn't exclusively w3c working groups and members ←
15:17:41 <dauwhe> Ivan: meant for publishing community, NOT w3c
Ivan Herman: meant for publishing community, NOT w3c ←
15:18:19 <ivan> zakim, aakk is Laura_Fowler
Ivan Herman: zakim, aakk is Laura_Fowler ←
15:18:19 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Laura_Fowler; got it ←
15:18:33 <dauwhe> ???: target is general pub community, so it needs to be less technical
Paul Belfanti: target is general pub community, so it needs to be less technical ←
15:18:46 <dauwhe> ... to set context, etc. then have links to deeper content
... to set context, etc. then have links to deeper content ←
15:18:54 <dauwhe> s/???/pbelfanti/
15:19:03 <dauwhe> mgylling: some kind of overlay as gentle introduction?
Markus Gylling: some kind of overlay as gentle introduction? ←
15:19:18 <dauwhe> pbelfanti: in layout and styling, the order is not how you'd want to digest
Paul Belfanti: in layout and styling, the order is not how you'd want to digest ←
15:19:25 <dauwhe> ... some organization along those lines would be good
... some organization along those lines would be good ←
15:19:38 <dauwhe> ... plus high-level description of what sections are about, who would be interested
... plus high-level description of what sections are about, who would be interested ←
15:19:51 <dauwhe> ... under the premise that the target audience is the publishing community
... under the premise that the target audience is the publishing community ←
15:20:00 <dauwhe> ... including non-technical users
... including non-technical users ←
15:20:15 <dauwhe> Ivan: I would try to put it in priority order
Ivan Herman: I would try to put it in priority order ←
15:20:32 <dauwhe> ... the first target audience is the more technical folks within the publishing community
... the first target audience is the more technical folks within the publishing community ←
15:21:06 <dauwhe> ... how to I find latest version of X CSS module? That's hard to do now.
... how to I find latest version of X CSS module? That's hard to do now. ←
15:21:27 <dauwhe> ... each document does have an abstract, per w3c pub rules. We could add that to table
... each document does have an abstract, per w3c pub rules. We could add that to table ←
15:21:40 <dauwhe> ... going way beyond that, eventually that might make sense, but is lots of work
... going way beyond that, eventually that might make sense, but is lots of work ←
15:21:53 <dauwhe> pbelfanti: the abstracts are pretty clear
Paul Belfanti: the abstracts are pretty clear ←
15:22:08 <dauwhe> ... let's have a bit more heirarchy to guide people in a larger sense
... let's have a bit more heirarchy to guide people in a larger sense ←
15:22:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: multiple tables
Markus Gylling: multiple tables ←
15:22:34 <dauwhe> ... one more question - this looks both forward and backward in time
... one more question - this looks both forward and backward in time ←
15:22:36 <tzviya> q-
Tzviya Siegman: q- ←
15:22:57 <dauwhe> ... we have XML namespaces listed. I don't know if that's interesting information, since it's already a rec
... we have XML namespaces listed. I don't know if that's interesting information, since it's already a rec ←
15:23:14 <dauwhe> ... it's not something people need to work on going forward
... it's not something people need to work on going forward ←
15:23:23 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
15:23:25 <dauwhe> ... should we remove stuff that's not forward looking
... should we remove stuff that's not forward looking ←
15:23:34 <dauwhe> ... xml events, SMIL 3...
... xml events, SMIL 3... ←
15:23:45 <dauwhe> ... it's not expected that SMIL 3 will evolve
... it's not expected that SMIL 3 will evolve ←
15:23:48 <fjh> suggest breaking it in two, foward looking list and list of completed relevant work
Frederick Hirsch: suggest breaking it in two, foward looking list and list of completed relevant work ←
15:24:11 <dauwhe> Ivan: If I look at xproc, it's not even used by anything in epub
Ivan Herman: If I look at xproc, it's not even used by anything in epub ←
15:24:19 <dauwhe> ... may be used by back-end process
... may be used by back-end process ←
15:24:26 <fjh> q+
Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
15:24:36 <dauwhe> ... there is already a separation of back-end technologies vs front end
... there is already a separation of back-end technologies vs front end ←
15:24:44 <dauwhe> ... that's one high level cut
... that's one high level cut ←
15:24:56 <dauwhe> ... I don't know if XML events are even used
... I don't know if XML events are even used ←
15:25:03 <dauwhe> ... there is a need for a filter
... there is a need for a filter ←
15:25:34 <dauwhe> mgylling: Paul wants multiple tables, Ivan wants separation with back-end tech vs front-end
Markus Gylling: Paul wants multiple tables, Ivan wants separation with back-end tech vs front-end ←
15:25:54 <dauwhe> ... some aren't really related to vision and problems of publishing industry
... some aren't really related to vision and problems of publishing industry ←
15:25:55 <fjh> q-
Frederick Hirsch: q- ←
15:26:03 <dauwhe> ... so we can make it smaller
... so we can make it smaller ←
15:26:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: as far as doing the work, any volunteers to refactor as proposed?
Markus Gylling: as far as doing the work, any volunteers to refactor as proposed? ←
15:26:35 <dauwhe> Ivan: I think that we cannot expect Thierry to do filtering
Ivan Herman: I think that we cannot expect Thierry to do filtering ←
15:27:01 <dauwhe> ... first step should be one of you guys to go through the list, exclude and define large categories
... first step should be one of you guys to go through the list, exclude and define large categories ←
15:27:22 <dauwhe> ... Neither he nor I can do the filtering.
... Neither he nor I can do the filtering. ←
15:27:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: Liza and I could work directly on wiki page
Markus Gylling: Liza and I could work directly on wiki page ←
15:27:45 <dauwhe> ... we won't be nervous due to history :)
... we won't be nervous due to history :) ←
15:27:57 <dauwhe> ... more questions on our beloved table?
... more questions on our beloved table? ←
15:28:11 <dauwhe> Luc: don't get rid of things too soon
Luc Audrain: don't get rid of things too soon ←
15:28:26 <dauwhe> ... some might not be used now, but should be left here for future use
... some might not be used now, but should be left here for future use ←
15:28:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: example please?
Markus Gylling: example please? ←
15:28:39 <dauwhe> Luc: xproc.
Luc Audrain: xproc. ←
15:28:50 <dauwhe> ... I hope epub won't be static
... I hope epub won't be static ←
15:29:08 <dauwhe> ???: Let's keep the original as reference, valuable to have both focused short list
Frederick Hirsch: : Let's keep the original as reference, valuable to have both focused short list ←
15:29:18 <dauwhe> s/???/fjh:/
15:29:25 <dauwhe> mgylling: ready to move on?
Markus Gylling: ready to move on? ←
15:29:43 <ivan> Topic: Accessibility and personalization task force
15:29:47 <dauwhe> ... Topic: discuss a11y task force from perspective of focus areas
... Topic: discuss a11y task force from perspective of focus areas ←
15:30:02 <pbelfanti> Apoloigies, I need to drop now
Paul Belfanti: Apoloigies, I need to drop now ←
15:30:03 <dauwhe> ... we defined small sets of goals, which a11y group did
... we defined small sets of goals, which a11y group did ←
15:30:08 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
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15:30:16 <dauwhe> ... we want to focus on use cases, and discussion around those
... we want to focus on use cases, and discussion around those ←
15:30:36 <dauwhe> ... the approach is to consider the question of what exactly in a11y use cases is specific to publishing
... the approach is to consider the question of what exactly in a11y use cases is specific to publishing ←
15:30:44 <dauwhe> ... reading through the use cases so far
... reading through the use cases so far ←
15:30:52 <dauwhe> ... all of them are important and valid
... all of them are important and valid ←
15:31:05 <dauwhe> ... but many are general use cases, not specific to publishing
... but many are general use cases, not specific to publishing ←
15:31:26 <dauwhe> ... also, in terms of focus areas, if we want to seize the opportunity here, what would be highest priority?
... also, in terms of focus areas, if we want to seize the opportunity here, what would be highest priority? ←
15:31:33 <dauwhe> ... that's the questions we want to ask.
... that's the questions we want to ask. ←
15:31:42 <dauwhe> ... how can we clean up or restructure the use cases
... how can we clean up or restructure the use cases ←
15:31:54 <dauwhe> ... and focus on publishing-specific problems
... and focus on publishing-specific problems ←
15:32:11 <dauwhe> ... and what should be our highest priority to affect w3c work
... and what should be our highest priority to affect w3c work ←
15:32:35 <dauwhe> gcapiel: there's further work in fleshing these out
Gerardo Capiel: there's further work in fleshing these out ←
15:32:43 <dauwhe> ... this was a first pass before TPAC
... this was a first pass before TPAC ←
15:33:05 <dauwhe> ... these are general use cases and gaps for OWP, not specific to DPUB
... these are general use cases and gaps for OWP, not specific to DPUB ←
15:33:13 <dauwhe> ... the only one you could debate
... the only one you could debate ←
15:33:22 <dauwhe> ... is timed text (???)
... is timed text (???) ←
15:33:32 <dauwhe> ... it's already digital content
... it's already digital content ←
15:33:50 <dauwhe> ... content with media overlays
... content with media overlays ←
15:34:05 <dauwhe> ... timed text is the only specification that [dropout]
... timed text is the only specification that [dropout] ←
15:34:14 <dauwhe> mgylling: we lost gerardo
Markus Gylling: we lost gerardo ←
15:34:18 <dauwhe> ... we can't hear you
... we can't hear you ←
15:34:50 <dauwhe> gcapiel: I'm back.
Gerardo Capiel: I'm back. ←
15:35:21 <dauwhe> ... that's the one area where there isn't any great way to deal with that syncronized audio and text, and its very specific to digital publishing
... that's the one area where there isn't any great way to deal with that syncronized audio and text, and its very specific to digital publishing ←
15:35:49 <dauwhe> mgylling: so that would indicate it would be nice to have a group of use cases that focus on hybrid, multiple-modality books
Markus Gylling: so that would indicate it would be nice to have a group of use cases that focus on hybrid, multiple-modality books ←
15:35:51 <dauwhe> gcapiel: yes
Gerardo Capiel: yes ←
15:36:03 <dauwhe> mgylling: we could approach DAISY to contribute use cases
Markus Gylling: we could approach DAISY to contribute use cases ←
15:36:12 <dauwhe> ... unless you have something up your sleeve
... unless you have something up your sleeve ←
15:36:27 <dauwhe> gcapiel: Daniel was involved in timed text and knows about this
Gerardo Capiel: Daniel was involved in timed text and knows about this ←
15:36:33 <dauwhe> ... DAISY knows a lot more about this
... DAISY knows a lot more about this ←
15:36:51 <dauwhe> mgylling: action on document-wide text synchronization
Markus Gylling: action on document-wide text synchronization ←
15:37:06 <dauwhe> ... SMIL might not be best solution
... SMIL might not be best solution ←
15:37:11 <dauwhe> ... those are design issues
... those are design issues ←
15:37:25 <dauwhe> ... that's one nice area where we can provide use cases
... that's one nice area where we can provide use cases ←
15:37:39 <dauwhe> ... what other kinds of things, even if not unique
... what other kinds of things, even if not unique ←
15:37:52 <dauwhe> ... what are particularly critical to digital publishing
... what are particularly critical to digital publishing ←
15:38:06 <dauwhe> ... media overlays are unlikely to be widely used in browsers
... media overlays are unlikely to be widely used in browsers ←
15:38:12 <dauwhe> ... are there other such areas?
... are there other such areas? ←
15:38:39 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: the personalization use cases fall in that category
Suzanne Taylor: the personalization use cases fall in that category ←
15:38:55 <dauwhe> ... Pre-K through middle schools: what to do with captions
... Pre-K through middle schools: what to do with captions ←
15:39:08 <dauwhe> ... specialized subject areas like chemistry, poetry, grammar
... specialized subject areas like chemistry, poetry, grammar ←
15:39:17 <dauwhe> ... more critical for textbooks
... more critical for textbooks ←
15:39:36 <dauwhe> mgylling: these are most critical?
Markus Gylling: these are most critical? ←
15:39:52 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: we must solve these issues as an educational publisher
Suzanne Taylor: we must solve these issues as an educational publisher ←
15:40:11 <dauwhe> mgylling: in educational environ, you have timing of tests
Markus Gylling: in educational environ, you have timing of tests ←
15:40:25 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:40:36 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (84%), Suzanne_Taylor (24%)
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15:40:37 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: I can flesh those out
Suzanne Taylor: I can flesh those out ←
15:41:00 <dauwhe> mgylling: would be good to see a complete set, I do see some that are not yet linked
Markus Gylling: would be good to see a complete set, I do see some that are not yet linked ←
15:41:16 <dauwhe> ... can you give overview of allowing versions?
... can you give overview of allowing versions? ←
15:41:24 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: Gerardo put that in
Suzanne Taylor: Gerardo put that in ←
15:41:37 <dauwhe> gcapiel: I should look at that
Gerardo Capiel: I should look at that ←
15:41:54 <dauwhe> ... the issue with image descriptions allowing them to be improved over time
... the issue with image descriptions allowing them to be improved over time ←
15:42:08 <dauwhe> mgylling: then we have general a11y use cases
Markus Gylling: then we have general a11y use cases ←
15:42:20 <dauwhe> ... the specialized subject area categories
... the specialized subject area categories ←
15:42:24 <dauwhe> ... want to ask about infographics
... want to ask about infographics ←
15:42:37 <dauwhe> ... is that an area where DPUB has a more significant issue
... is that an area where DPUB has a more significant issue ←
15:42:43 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:42:51 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: probably very important to publishers
Suzanne Taylor: probably very important to publishers ←
15:43:10 <dauwhe> ... also can be interactive infographics, which makes it more complex
... also can be interactive infographics, which makes it more complex ←
15:43:17 <Zakim> -casey
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15:43:26 <dauwhe> mgylling: Gerardo, you've worked with SVG folks on use cases
Markus Gylling: Gerardo, you've worked with SVG folks on use cases ←
15:43:37 <dauwhe> ... should we hone in on infographics in education problem?
... should we hone in on infographics in education problem? ←
15:43:51 <dauwhe> ... presumably the solution is the same for OWP and publishing
... presumably the solution is the same for OWP and publishing ←
15:44:04 <dauwhe> ... this is a big pain point for educational publishers
... this is a big pain point for educational publishers ←
15:44:20 <dauwhe> ... this is a black hole where people don't know where to go
... this is a black hole where people don't know where to go ←
15:44:32 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: say you publish an infographic for chemists
Suzanne Taylor: say you publish an infographic for chemists ←
15:45:06 <dauwhe> ... can give data tables as backup, which is OK for professional chemist
... can give data tables as backup, which is OK for professional chemist ←
15:45:17 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya ←
15:45:19 <dauwhe> ... but that won't work for 4th grader, where that data would not be helpful
... but that won't work for 4th grader, where that data would not be helpful ←
15:46:16 <dauwhe> tzviya: Image descriptions have been harder for business books, like graphics designed to make stock trading fun. Hard to do an image
Tzviya Siegman: Image descriptions have been harder for business books, like graphics designed to make stock trading fun. Hard to do an image ←
15:46:25 <dauwhe> ... description that keeps the tone
... description that keeps the tone ←
15:46:54 <dauwhe> gcapiel: that graphic may be best conveyed using a combo of text and embossed material
Gerardo Capiel: that graphic may be best conveyed using a combo of text and embossed material ←
15:47:18 <dauwhe> ... we've been looking at how to enhance ARIA roles in SVG to be able to provide that type of experience
... we've been looking at how to enhance ARIA roles in SVG to be able to provide that type of experience ←
15:47:23 <Zakim> -duga
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15:47:44 <dauwhe> mgylling: we should publish a note on a11y and personalization in publishing
Markus Gylling: we should publish a note on a11y and personalization in publishing ←
15:47:51 <dauwhe> ... this is the kind of stuff we need in the use cases
... this is the kind of stuff we need in the use cases ←
15:47:58 <dauwhe> ... without going too far in solution space
... without going too far in solution space ←
15:48:12 <dauwhe> ... SuzanneT, you've offered to flesh out the first three
... SuzanneT, you've offered to flesh out the first three ←
15:48:20 <dauwhe> ... Gerardo, you will work on versions
... Gerardo, you will work on versions ←
15:48:35 <dauwhe> ... DAISY will help with audio sync
... DAISY will help with audio sync ←
15:48:53 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: there's one on highlighting text, adding notes and items
Suzanne Taylor: there's one on highlighting text, adding notes and items ←
15:49:00 <dauwhe> ... we've put that into the annotations use cases
... we've put that into the annotations use cases ←
15:49:13 <Luc> §q
Luc Audrain: §q ←
15:49:25 <dauwhe> ... this category is accesibility of ebook features
... this category is accesibility of ebook features ←
15:49:33 <Luc> -q
Luc Audrain: -q ←
15:49:35 <dauwhe> mgylling: can OWP help solve that?
Markus Gylling: can OWP help solve that? ←
15:49:51 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: with annotations, we need more data to make annotations fully a11y
Suzanne Taylor: with annotations, we need more data to make annotations fully a11y ←
15:50:00 <dauwhe> ... don't have other examples right now
... don't have other examples right now ←
15:50:05 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK
Markus Gylling: OK ←
15:50:24 <dauwhe> ... Gerardo, can you look into infographics restructuring?
... Gerardo, can you look into infographics restructuring? ←
15:50:26 <dauwhe> gcapiel: sure
Gerardo Capiel: sure ←
15:50:52 <dauwhe> mgylling: it would be good if we could get the wiki main page to resemble the eventual structure of the note
Markus Gylling: it would be good if we could get the wiki main page to resemble the eventual structure of the note ←
15:51:01 <dauwhe> ... right now doesn't give me a quick overview
... right now doesn't give me a quick overview ←
15:51:18 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:51:18 <dauwhe> gcapiel: we have to take out the general use cases, not specific to DPUB
Gerardo Capiel: we have to take out the general use cases, not specific to DPUB ←
15:51:29 <dauwhe> mgylling: good question
Markus Gylling: good question ←
15:51:39 <dauwhe> gcapiel: like math, that's a problem not specific to dpub
Gerardo Capiel: like math, that's a problem not specific to dpub ←
15:51:45 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:51:48 <dauwhe> myglling: mentioned all the time as pain point
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15:52:07 <dauwhe> tzviya: lots aren't specific to publishing, but they are so common it's worth mentioning
Tzviya Siegman: lots aren't specific to publishing, but they are so common it's worth mentioning ←
15:52:32 <dauwhe> Ivan: the math is a wrong example, in that publishing needs math way more than anyone else
Ivan Herman: the math is a wrong example, in that publishing needs math way more than anyone else ←
15:52:37 <dauwhe> ... so we should keep math
... so we should keep math ←
15:52:44 <dauwhe> ... if it's on the borderline
... if it's on the borderline ←
15:52:55 <dauwhe> ... Suzanne, are you on WAI working group?
... Suzanne, are you on WAI working group? ←
15:53:11 <dauwhe> ... ask them where these use cases should go
... ask them where these use cases should go ←
15:53:25 <dauwhe> ... at end of the day, this doc would be very valuable for those groups
... at end of the day, this doc would be very valuable for those groups ←
15:53:32 <dauwhe> ... so we should sync with those groups
... so we should sync with those groups ←
15:53:51 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: we can move general use cases into a category
Suzanne Taylor: we can move general use cases into a category ←
15:54:06 <dauwhe> ... we can hand off some things
... we can hand off some things ←
15:54:16 <dauwhe> mgylling: there is a gap
Markus Gylling: there is a gap ←
15:54:31 <dauwhe> ... whoever added them is right. Added descriptions are one-dimensional
... whoever added them is right. Added descriptions are one-dimensional ←
15:54:52 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: You mean user chooses that they want short descriptions?
Suzanne Taylor: You mean user chooses that they want short descriptions? ←
15:55:06 <dauwhe> mgylling: Maybe annotations can play a role, where tech is more adaptible
Markus Gylling: Maybe annotations can play a role, where tech is more adaptible ←
15:55:24 <dauwhe> ... first, let's create a bucket of general stuff
... first, let's create a bucket of general stuff ←
15:55:37 <dauwhe> ... then categories we populate first for publishing
... then categories we populate first for publishing ←
15:55:57 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: the categories are infographics, educational enviornment, specialized subject areas
Suzanne Taylor: the categories are infographics, educational enviornment, specialized subject areas ←
15:56:03 <dauwhe> ... we should keep math separate
... we should keep math separate ←
15:56:10 <dauwhe> ... and then maybe ebook feature a11y
... and then maybe ebook feature a11y ←
15:56:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: we can try that
Markus Gylling: we can try that ←
15:56:26 <dauwhe> gcapiel: there was also the syncronized multimedia content
Gerardo Capiel: there was also the syncronized multimedia content ←
15:56:38 <dauwhe> ... we haven't talked about semantics stuff much
... we haven't talked about semantics stuff much ←
15:56:50 <dauwhe> ... for braille, the semantics we have today in OWP may not be sufficient
... for braille, the semantics we have today in OWP may not be sufficient ←
15:56:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: exactly, even with role attribute
Markus Gylling: exactly, even with role attribute ←
15:57:17 <dauwhe> ... links with Tzviya and my working group on role attribute
... links with Tzviya and my working group on role attribute ←
15:57:32 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: can that be under ebook feature, or should that be a separate category
Suzanne Taylor: can that be under ebook feature, or should that be a separate category ←
15:57:38 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's wait.
Markus Gylling: let's wait. ←
15:57:56 <dauwhe> ... we're behind on the wiki re: the role attribute
... we're behind on the wiki re: the role attribute ←
15:58:03 <dauwhe> ... will be easier to see later
... will be easier to see later ←
15:58:14 <dauwhe> ... we'll punt for now
... we'll punt for now ←
15:58:49 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: infographics, math, specialized subject areas, media sync, ???
Suzanne Taylor: infographics, math, specialized subject areas, media sync, ??? ←
15:59:09 <dauwhe> gcapiel: reviewing user agent a11y guidelines?
Gerardo Capiel: reviewing user agent a11y guidelines? ←
15:59:15 <dauwhe> Ivan: separate thing.
Ivan Herman: separate thing. ←
15:59:32 <dauwhe> ... Madi etc. would like to get feedback on that.
... Shawn, Shadi etc. would like to get feedback on that. ←
15:59:43 <dauwhe> mgylling: should we ask for participation in that review?
Markus Gylling: should we ask for participation in that review? ←
15:59:51 <ivan> s/Madi/Shawn, Shadi/
15:59:52 <dauwhe> ... some new folks on public list
... some new folks on public list ←
16:00:06 <dauwhe> ... we're out of time
... we're out of time ←
16:00:17 <dauwhe> ... we have prototype restructuring of wiki
... we have prototype restructuring of wiki ←
16:00:30 <dauwhe> ... more questions or remarks on a11y?
... more questions or remarks on a11y? ←
16:00:32 <SuzanneT> infographics, synchronized multimedia, eBook Feature A11y, Ed Environment, Math, Specialized Subject Areas
Suzanne Taylor: infographics, synchronized multimedia, eBook Feature A11y, Ed Environment, Math, Specialized Subject Areas ←
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16:01:15 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.453.aaaa, +1.917.207.aabb, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, +1.505.603.aacc, azaroth, +1.201.387.aadd, tzviya, liza, +1.201.236.aaee, Ivan, mgylling, duga, Bert,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.617.453.aaaa, +1.917.207.aabb, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, +1.505.603.aacc, azaroth, +1.201.387.aadd, tzviya, liza, +1.201.236.aaee, Ivan, mgylling, duga, Bert, ←
16:01:15 <Zakim> ... pbelfanti, +1.917.447.aaff, Karen_Myers, +1.585.217.aagg, AH_Miller, benjaminsko, david_stroup, +1.303.475.aahh, casey, +329331aaii, TomDN, Vlad, Suzanne_Taylor,
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pbelfanti, +1.917.447.aaff, Karen_Myers, +1.585.217.aagg, AH_Miller, benjaminsko, david_stroup, +1.303.475.aahh, casey, +329331aaii, TomDN, Vlad, Suzanne_Taylor, ←
16:01:16 <Zakim> ... +33.6.48.38.aajj, Luc, +1.609.216.aakk, Laura_Fowler
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +33.6.48.38.aajj, Luc, +1.609.216.aakk, Laura_Fowler ←
16:01:38 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:01:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:01:38 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:01:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:01:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:01:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:01:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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