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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 02 December 2013

Seen
Alan Stearns, Ben Ko, Bert Bos, Bill Kasdorf, Dave Cramer, Frederick Hirsch, George Walkley, Gerardo Capiel, Ivan Herman, Jean Kaplansky, Jullie Morris (BISG), Laura Fowler, Luc Audrain, Madi Solomon, Markus Gylling, Peter Linss, Sharad Garg, Suzanne Taylor, Thierry Michel, Tom De Nies, Tzviya Siegman
Guests
Jullie Morris (BISG)
Scribe
George Walkley
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion link
  2. do accessibility next week link
Topics
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15:21:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:21:48 <trackbot> Date: 02 December 2013
15:24:11 <walkley> scribe:walkley

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15:25:53 <walkley> scribe: walkley
15:47:43 <mgylling> mgylling has changed the topic to: Dial-in code: 3782

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Markus Gylling: mgylling has changed the topic to: Dial-in code: 3782

15:48:04 <mgylling> mgylling has changed the topic to: DPUB IG Dial-in code: 3782

Markus Gylling: mgylling has changed the topic to: DPUB IG Dial-in code: 3782

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15:50:24 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

15:50:53 <walkley> zakim, +??P0 is walkley

zakim, +??P0 is walkley

15:50:53 <Zakim> sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'

15:51:07 <walkley> zakim, P0 is walkley

zakim, P0 is walkley

15:51:07 <Zakim> sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'

15:53:43 <walkley> zakim, ??P0 is walkley

zakim, ??P0 is walkley

15:53:43 <Zakim> +walkley; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +walkley; got it

15:55:18 <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.207.aaaa

15:55:32 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaaa is dauwhe

Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaaa is dauwhe

15:55:32 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it

15:56:11 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:58:04 <Zakim> + +1.206.675.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.206.675.aabb

15:58:11 <astearns> Zakim, aabb is me

Alan Stearns: Zakim, aabb is me

15:58:11 <Zakim> +astearns; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +astearns; got it

15:58:43 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20

15:58:54 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P20 is mgylling

Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??P20 is mgylling

15:58:54 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it

15:59:02 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

16:00:21 <mgylling> scribe: walkley
16:00:38 <Zakim> + +1.518.669.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.669.aacc

16:01:14 <Zakim> + +329331aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aadd

16:01:14 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.48.38.aaee

16:01:22 <TomDN> Zakim, +32 is me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, +32 is me

16:01:22 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it

16:01:23 <ivan> zakim, aacc is JeanK

Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is JeanK

16:01:23 <Zakim> +JeanK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanK; got it

16:01:27 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

16:01:27 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

16:01:33 <mgylling> AOB addition: review of CSS shapes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html

Markus Gylling: AOB addition: review of CSS shapes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html

16:01:33 <ivan> zakim, aaee is laudrain

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee is laudrain

16:01:33 <Zakim> +laudrain; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +laudrain; got it

16:01:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:01:38 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

16:01:38 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it

16:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aaff

16:01:45 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

16:01:51 <TomDN> that is me

Tom De Nies: that is me

16:01:57 <Zakim> +plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: +plinss

16:01:58 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

16:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, ??P25, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, +1.917.447.aaff, plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, ??P25, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, +1.917.447.aaff, plinss

16:01:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss

16:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.734.904.aagg

16:02:03 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me

16:02:03 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

16:02:14 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

16:02:15 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

16:02:26 <ivan> zakim, ??P25 is gcapiel

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P25 is gcapiel

16:02:26 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it

16:02:52 <ivan> zakim, aaff is benjaminsko

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaff is benjaminsko

16:02:53 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaff is benjaminsko

Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaff is benjaminsko

16:02:53 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +benjaminsko; got it

16:02:54 <Zakim> sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'

16:03:48 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

16:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, +1.734.904.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, +1.734.904.aagg

16:03:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss

16:04:05 <ivan> zakim, aagg is Bill_Kasdorf

Ivan Herman: zakim, aagg is Bill_Kasdorf

16:04:06 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it

16:04:13 <Zakim> +Tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya

16:04:41 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor

Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne_Taylor

16:04:44 <walkley> mgylling: a relatively short agenda today, one item of AOB

Markus Gylling: a relatively short agenda today, one item of AOB

16:04:51 <Zakim> +madi

Zakim IRC Bot: +madi

16:05:06 <walkley> …which is the request for review of CSS shapes. We will try to volunteer someone for that.

…which is the request for review of CSS shapes. We will try to volunteer someone for that.

16:05:18 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.216.aahh

16:05:30 <walkley> mgylling: asked laudrain to give intro

Markus Gylling: asked laudrain to give intro

16:06:07 <Zakim> +Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert

16:06:07 <walkley> laudrain: 20 years in digital publishing, sgml, xml, now works for Hachette Livre where he is in charge of digital outputs.

Luc Audrain: 20 years in digital publishing, sgml, xml, now works for Hachette Livre where he is in charge of digital outputs.

16:06:27 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad_Garg

16:06:45 <walkley> …involved in IDPF working groups, metadata in ONIX, RDF, W3C SVG working group

…involved in IDPF working groups, metadata in ONIX, RDF, W3C SVG working group

16:07:16 <walkley> mgylling: asked if laudrain is up to date with IG documents

Markus Gylling: asked if laudrain is up to date with IG documents

16:07:26 <walkley> laudrain: will get up to speed

Luc Audrain: will get up to speed

16:07:48 <walkley> mgylling: today's call a very good introduction, one of the items is to review task force summaries.

Markus Gylling: today's call a very good introduction, one of the items is to review task force summaries.

16:08:51 <ivan> zakim, aahh is Laura_Fowler

Ivan Herman: zakim, aahh is Laura_Fowler

16:08:51 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Laura_Fowler; got it

16:09:23 <walkley> mgylling: last week, no proper minutes as bots weren't working, but text doc at http://www.w3.org/2013/11/dpub-call-minutes-25.txt

Markus Gylling: last week, no proper minutes as bots weren't working, but text doc at http://www.w3.org/2013/11/dpub-call-minutes-25.txt

16:09:28 <walkley> …any comments?

…any comments?

16:09:45 <walkley> …none, so last week's minutes approved.

…none, so last week's minutes approved.

16:10:53 <walkley> mgylling: main topic is organisation/working practices for these calls. But first, Q&A/discussions on TPAC F2F meeting. Any questions/remarks arising from TPAC minutes?

Markus Gylling: main topic is organisation/working practices for these calls. But first, Q&A/discussions on TPAC F2F meeting. Any questions/remarks arising from TPAC minutes?

16:10:59 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:11:21 <TomDN> +1 for condensed summary

Tom De Nies: +1 for condensed summary

16:11:22 <mgylling> ack Tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya

16:11:28 <fjh> +1 for condensed summary

Frederick Hirsch: +1 for condensed summary

16:11:45 <Zakim> + +1.646.336.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.336.aaii

16:11:52 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

16:12:00 <walkley> tzviya: one area of confusion… read through the minutes on DRM and clear on the fact that DRM is out of scope for now, but there might have been a discussion on security. What exactly are we calling security at this point?

Tzviya Siegman: one area of confusion… read through the minutes on DRM and clear on the fact that DRM is out of scope for now, but there might have been a discussion on security. What exactly are we calling security at this point?

16:12:11 <Zakim> -Laura_Fowler

Zakim IRC Bot: -Laura_Fowler

16:12:26 <Zakim> +??P61

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P61

16:12:29 <mgylling> ack fjh

Markus Gylling: ack fjh

16:12:42 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler

Zakim IRC Bot: +Laura_Fowler

16:12:43 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is noisy?

16:12:54 <fjh> q-

Frederick Hirsch: q-

16:12:54 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (20%), laudrain (9%), Bill_Kasdorf (13%), Sharad_Garg (27%)

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (20%), laudrain (9%), Bill_Kasdorf (13%), Sharad_Garg (27%)

16:12:57 <walkley> fjh: Security threats may arise that need to be addressed.

Frederick Hirsch: Use of underlying open web platform technologies may enable security threats that may need to be addressed.

16:13:11 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?

Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ?

16:13:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, Bill_Kasdorf, Tzviya, Suzanne_Taylor, madi, Bert,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, Bill_Kasdorf, Tzviya, Suzanne_Taylor, madi, Bert,

16:13:12 <Zakim> ... Sharad_Garg, +1.646.336.aaii (muted), ??P61, Laura_Fowler

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sharad_Garg, +1.646.336.aaii (muted), ??P61, Laura_Fowler

16:13:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Madi, Bert, Sharad, JeanK, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Madi, Bert, Sharad, JeanK, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe,

16:13:12 <Zakim> ... astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: ... astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss

16:13:46 <walkley> Sharad: many other issues, DRM is a component, has an action item to discuss with fjh. tzviya welcome to contribute.

Sharad Garg: many other issues, DRM is a component, has an action item to discuss with fjh. tzviya welcome to contribute.

16:14:20 <tmichel> zakim, ??P6 is tmichel

Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P6 is tmichel

16:14:20 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it

16:15:03 <fjh> s/Security threats may arise that need to be addressed./Use of underlying open web platform technologies may enable security threats that may need to be addressed./
16:15:07 <ivan> Guest: Jullie Morris, BISG
16:15:22 <walkley> mgylling: asked Julie Morris from BISG to introduce herself, trade association for book industry in US

Markus Gylling: asked Julie Morris from BISG to introduce herself, trade association for book industry in US

16:16:28 <walkley> mgylling: one other thing, is privacy in scope from a user point of view. Asked fjh and Sharad for view.

Markus Gylling: one other thing, is privacy in scope from a user point of view. Asked fjh and Sharad for view.

16:16:33 <walkley> fjh: should be in scope

Frederick Hirsch: should be in scope

16:16:46 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:16:49 <walkley> mgylling: Sharad will be lead on this task force.

Markus Gylling: Sharad will be lead on this task force.

16:16:57 <Zakim> -laudrain

Zakim IRC Bot: -laudrain

16:17:18 <walkley> …Should we produce text summary or refer to minutes?

…Should we produce text summary or refer to minutes?

16:17:48 <walkley> ivan: as we don't use a tracker with actions, having a list of main resolutions might be a good thing. This exists in draft and needs to be cleaned up and posted to mailing list.

Ivan Herman: as we don't use a tracker with actions, having a list of main resolutions might be a good thing. This exists in draft and needs to be cleaned up and posted to mailing list.

16:18:14 <walkley> action: mgylling to produce summary

ACTION: mgylling to produce summary

16:18:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Produce summary [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-12-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-12 - Produce summary [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-12-09].

16:18:26 <walkley> mgylling: any other TPAC questions?

Markus Gylling: any other TPAC questions?

16:18:47 <ivan> Topic: consolidation of task forces

1. consolidation of task forces

16:18:50 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces

16:19:42 <walkley> ivan: has set up a Wiki page for each task force linked from this table.

Ivan Herman: has set up a Wiki page for each task force linked from this table.

16:20:01 <walkley> mgylling: a few of these are new, Page DOM for example.

Markus Gylling: a few of these are new, Page DOM for example.

16:20:34 <walkley> …this is something that came up during TPAC via brady

…this is something that came up during TPAC via brady

16:20:45 <Zakim> + +33.1.41.23.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.1.41.23.aajj

16:21:16 <walkley> …In terms of the fourth column, these task forces won't necessarily use the same method for documentation.

…In terms of the fourth column, these task forces won't necessarily use the same method for documentation.

16:21:21 <ivan> zakim, aajj is laudrain

Ivan Herman: zakim, aajj is laudrain

16:21:21 <Zakim> +laudrain; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +laudrain; got it

16:21:43 <walkley> …have one example, Latinreq, which has separate document and will eventually have use cases

…have one example, Latinreq, which has separate document and will eventually have use cases

16:21:57 <walkley> …other groups primarily expected to work on the wiki use case tree

…other groups primarily expected to work on the wiki use case tree

16:22:07 <walkley> …but no problem if a lead wants to move to another form

…but no problem if a lead wants to move to another form

16:22:45 <walkley> …These activities will deliver on different schedules. At this point we don't see that we will be able to synchronise everyone for January. Some much faster than others.

…These activities will deliver on different schedules. At this point we don't see that we will be able to synchronise everyone for January. Some much faster than others.

16:22:59 <walkley> …doesn't quite match how charter predicted work but will have to do best.

…doesn't quite match how charter predicted work but will have to do best.

16:23:27 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:23:31 <walkley> …have to accept varying deliverable dates. Those are overall comments, thanks to ivan for putting together. Any questions or remarks, including from task force leads.

…have to accept varying deliverable dates. Those are overall comments, thanks to ivan for putting together. Any questions or remarks, including from task force leads.

16:23:56 <walkley> …in terms of recent activities, Bill_Kasdorf...?

…in terms of recent activities, Bill_Kasdorf...?

16:24:17 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: have drafted invitation describing mission of task force and soliciting volunteers, to be circulated after this call.

Bill Kasdorf: have drafted invitation describing mission of task force and soliciting volunteers, to be circulated after this call.

16:24:30 <walkley> ...Sent to mgylling Madi and ivan for review.

...Sent to mgylling Madi and ivan for review.

16:24:38 <walkley> ...Takes broad view of metadata

...Takes broad view of metadata

16:25:06 <walkley> …another possible outcome might be determination that issue is broader than this IG.

…another possible outcome might be determination that issue is broader than this IG.

16:25:20 <walkley> …might be appropriate to consider separate metadata IG.

…might be appropriate to consider separate metadata IG.

16:25:36 <walkley> …initial task identifying problems with publisher use of metadata which will be done on wiki.

…initial task identifying problems with publisher use of metadata which will be done on wiki.

16:25:52 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:25:59 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata wiki page for the metadata task force

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata wiki page for the metadata task force

16:26:18 <walkley> mgylling: the next agenda item is MO of the IG calls moving forward

Markus Gylling: the next agenda item is MO of the IG calls moving forward

16:26:26 <ivan> Topic: modus operandi moving forward

2. modus operandi moving forward

16:26:38 <walkley> …so far we have been spending calls having status updates from various groups

…so far we have been spending calls having status updates from various groups

16:27:21 <walkley> …question is whether we should rethink the way we use our calls and list activity to focus more on specific topics for a larger chunk of time. Of course, other ways as well.

…question is whether we should rethink the way we use our calls and list activity to focus more on specific topics for a larger chunk of time. Of course, other ways as well.

16:27:35 <walkley> …should we give the leads an hour of quality time on their area.

…should we give the leads an hour of quality time on their area.

16:27:46 <walkley> Madi: an hour is a very long time.

Madi Solomon: an hour is a very long time.

16:28:05 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

16:28:09 <walkley> …Pearson asks for everything to be justified in ten minutes. Be brief, be brilliant, be gone. How about 30 mins?

…Pearson asks for everything to be justified in ten minutes. Be brief, be brilliant, be gone. How about 30 mins?

16:28:18 <walkley> …two task forces per meeting.

…two task forces per meeting.

16:28:19 <mgylling> ack fjh

Markus Gylling: ack fjh

16:28:26 <walkley> fjh: agrees with Madi

Frederick Hirsch: agrees with Madi

16:28:31 <fjh> q-

Frederick Hirsch: q-

16:28:45 <walkley> mgylling: suggestion not to make calls longer, but to work on use case development during calls.

Markus Gylling: suggestion not to make calls longer, but to work on use case development during calls.

16:29:16 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:29:35 <Suzanne> q+

Suzanne Taylor: q+

16:29:47 <walkley> …to produce volume of material required will take longer

…to produce volume of material required will take longer

16:29:56 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:30:02 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:30:14 <walkley> tzviya: notes how long it can take to do the background work.

Tzviya Siegman: notes how long it can take to do the background work.

16:30:17 <Zakim> -plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: -plinss

16:30:29 <JeanK> q+

Jean Kaplansky: q+

16:30:50 <mgylling> ack Suzanne

Markus Gylling: ack Suzanne

16:30:52 <walkley> …sometimes splitting hairs takes longer than one expects. Conversation very informative, discussion very helpful. In favour of greater focus, two topics per call.

…sometimes splitting hairs takes longer than one expects. Conversation very informative, discussion very helpful. In favour of greater focus, two topics per call.

16:30:52 <Madi> I must jump off to go to another meeting.

Madi Solomon: I must jump off to go to another meeting.

16:31:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

16:31:18 <mgylling> ack JeanK

Markus Gylling: ack JeanK

16:31:24 <walkley> Suzanne: agreed with that. Thinking about separate meetings for accessibility, but would be great to have more detail in meeting.

Suzanne Taylor: agreed with that. Thinking about separate meetings for accessibility, but would be great to have more detail in meeting.

16:31:43 <walkley> JeanK: tzviya and I have own working group, research not insignificant, some off-group conversations.

Jean Kaplansky: tzviya and I have own working group, research not insignificant, some off-group conversations.

16:32:11 <walkley> …bigger thing is being able to concentrate on 1-2 topics per meeting, would need to come to conclusions more quickly.

…bigger thing is being able to concentrate on 1-2 topics per meeting, would need to come to conclusions more quickly.

16:32:11 <Zakim> -madi

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16:32:12 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf

16:32:14 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:32:30 <Zakim> +plinss

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16:32:48 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: related question: understand individual task forces don't have to work same way. Curious as to how many TFs are having off-group calls? General meetings shouldn't be that.

Bill Kasdorf: related question: understand individual task forces don't have to work same way. Curious as to how many task forces are having off-group calls? General meetings shouldn't be that.

16:33:13 <walkley> …results of task force calls should then be discussed with group as a whole.

…results of task force calls should then be discussed with group as a whole.

16:33:25 <Zakim> -plinss

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16:33:25 <TomDN> q+

Tom De Nies: q+

16:33:29 <dauwhe> q+

Dave Cramer: q+

16:33:35 <walkley> mgylling: concern about risk for silos to develop off-list. Would be better to do thinking/discovery process on-list.

Markus Gylling: concern about risk for silos to develop off-list. Would be better to do thinking/discovery process on-list.

16:34:05 <TomDN> -q

Tom De Nies: -q

16:34:06 <mgylling> ack Ivan

Markus Gylling: ack Ivan

16:34:11 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: I anticipated most of work done on-list and wiki, and periodic but infrequent TF calls offlist.

Bill Kasdorf: I anticipated most of work done on-list and wiki, and periodic but infrequent task force calls offlist.

16:34:21 <fjh> +1

Frederick Hirsch: +1

16:34:42 <dauwhe> q-

Dave Cramer: q-

16:34:59 <JeanK> +1 to mailing list, but use a prefix in [] to indicate which task force you're discussing specifically.

Jean Kaplansky: +1 to mailing list, but use a prefix in [] to indicate which task force you're discussing specifically.

16:35:05 <TomDN> +1 to what Bill said. this telecon should ideally be used to /present/ the results of the individual TF's work (avoiding large discussion on this call)

Tom De Nies: +1 to what Bill said. this telecon should ideally be used to /present/ the results of the individual task force's work (avoiding large discussion on this call)

16:35:19 <walkley> ivan: Would really like to see discussions done through mailing list, interested to see what is going on in TFs even if cannot contribute, important to know what is happening, also on-list discussions are archived for posterity, might be useful later.

Ivan Herman: Would really like to see discussions done through mailing list, interested to see what is going on in task forces even if cannot contribute, important to know what is happening, also on-list discussions are archived for posterity, might be useful later.

16:35:39 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:35:41 <walkley> …organising with a prefix per TF would be good.

…organising with a prefix per task force would be good.

16:36:11 <walkley> s/TF/task force/g
16:36:27 <walkley> mgylling: Many of the task forces would benefit from wider input.

Markus Gylling: Many of the task forces would benefit from wider input.

16:36:31 <JeanK> q+

Jean Kaplansky: q+

16:36:52 <mgylling> ack JeanK

Markus Gylling: ack JeanK

16:36:54 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: what I was implying was to work up issues and present for discussion amongst the wider group

Bill Kasdorf: what I was implying was to work up issues and present for discussion amongst the wider group

16:37:29 <walkley> Jean: ivan's point came up with overlap between MathML and accessibility. Put everything on list but be clear about topic.

Jean Kaplansky: ivan's point came up with overlap between MathML and accessibility. Put everything on list but be clear about topic.

16:38:21 <walkley> mgylling: Could we try this? At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion.

Markus Gylling: Could we try this? At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion.

16:39:01 <ivan> Let us use: [latinreq] [pdom] [metadata] [adaption] [annotation] [stem] [security] [a11y] [bridge] as mail prefixes

Ivan Herman: Let us use: [latinreq] [pdom] [metadata] [adaption] [annotation] [stem] [security] [a11y] [bridge] as mail prefixes

16:39:01 <walkley> …I am interested in trying this. Need to get more discussions started.

…I am interested in trying this. Need to get more discussions started.

16:39:12 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:39:13 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

16:39:15 <walkley> +1

+1

16:39:15 <tzviya> +1

Tzviya Siegman: +1

16:39:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1

Bill Kasdorf: +1

16:39:29 <walkley> mgylling: Great, let's do so.

Markus Gylling: Great, let's do so.

16:39:31 <tmichel> +1

Thierry Michel: +1

16:39:32 <Suzanne> +1

Suzanne Taylor: +1

16:39:37 <walkley> …who wants to take first slot next week?

…who wants to take first slot next week?

16:39:50 <ivan> RESOLVED: At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion

RESOLVED: At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion

16:40:13 <walkley> …Suggest tzviya and JeanK: if you are interested we could start with you? Okay?

…Suggest tzviya and JeanK: if you are interested we could start with you? Okay?

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16:40:39 <walkley> tzviya: Can't do next week.

Tzviya Siegman: Can't do next week.

16:40:56 <JeanK> sorry... phone just dropped call...

Jean Kaplansky: sorry... phone just dropped call...

16:41:07 <walkley> mgylling: Suzanne and gcapiel?

Markus Gylling: Suzanne and gcapiel?

16:41:19 <Zakim> -laudrain

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16:41:24 <JeanK> I can do an update on the state of our existing STEM use cases next week, and tell people the direction we are headed in, but not much more.

Jean Kaplansky: I can do an update on the state of our existing STEM use cases next week, and tell people the direction we are headed in, but not much more.

16:41:35 <walkley> gcapiel: Could have people review the use cases that are out there.

Gerardo Capiel: Could have people review the use cases that are out there.

16:41:51 <walkley> Suzanne: lots of people have ideas for use cases but haven't added yet, useful to capture these.

Suzanne Taylor: lots of people have ideas for use cases but haven't added yet, useful to capture these.

16:41:53 <Zakim> +JeanK

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16:42:24 <walkley> mgylling: also have Laura… Laura and Mark interested in semantics

Markus Gylling: also have Laura… Laura and Mark interested in semantics

16:42:52 <walkley> Suzanne: once we get use cases, would like to recruit subject-specific folks, but good to get scope established first.

Suzanne Taylor: once we get use cases, would like to recruit subject-specific folks, but good to get scope established first.

16:43:06 <walkley> resolved: do accessibility next week

RESOLVED: do accessibility next week

16:43:23 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:43:23 <walkley> mgylling: We'll try a couple of calls on this format and then review.

Markus Gylling: We'll try a couple of calls on this format and then review.

16:43:37 <walkley> mgylling: AOB?

Markus Gylling: AOB?

16:43:43 <mgylling>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html

Markus Gylling: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html

16:43:50 <ivan> Topic: request from CSS WG

3. request from CSS WG

16:43:55 <walkley> …Request from CSS working group to review CSS shapes

…Request from CSS working group to review CSS shapes

16:44:08 <walkley> …Reviewed CSS text a couple of weeks ago

…Reviewed CSS text a couple of weeks ago

16:44:27 <walkley> …deadline for comment Jan 7th. Any volunteers to take an action to review?

…deadline for comment Jan 7th. Any volunteers to take an action to review?

16:44:32 <astearns> q+

Alan Stearns: q+

16:44:53 <walkley> …would need to be done by Jan 6th 2014.

…would need to be done by Jan 6th 2014.

16:44:57 <mgylling> ack astearns

Markus Gylling: ack astearns

16:45:21 <walkley> astearns: a bit of background for anyone not familiar, start of css feature that allows one to specify non-rectangular shapes.

Alan Stearns: a bit of background for anyone not familiar, start of css feature that allows one to specify non-rectangular shapes.

16:45:38 <walkley> …allows float around non-rectangular objects.

…allows float around non-rectangular objects.

16:46:00 <walkley> …useful for comments from someone familiar with content wrapping outside web platform

…useful for comments from someone familiar with content wrapping outside web platform

16:46:04 <walkley> mgylling: any takers?

Markus Gylling: any takers?

16:46:30 <walkley> …have to take that as a no. Will repeat request for review on mailing list.

…have to take that as a no. Will repeat request for review on mailing list.

16:46:37 <Zakim> +plinss

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16:46:46 <walkley> …AOB?

…AOB?

16:47:13 <walkley> Suzanne: just wanted to make sure that anyone who wants to be involved in accessibility task force, let her know or put name on wiki.

Suzanne Taylor: just wanted to make sure that anyone who wants to be involved in accessibility task force, let her know or put name on wiki.

16:47:31 <walkley> mgylling: Please repeat that on list as well.

Markus Gylling: Please repeat that on list as well.

16:47:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility A11y TF Wiki page

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility A11y TF Wiki page

16:47:44 <walkley> …I think we're done. Thank you all.

…I think we're done. Thank you all.

16:47:44 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility

Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility

16:47:48 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

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16:47:57 <Zakim> -Tzviya

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16:47:57 <Zakim> -benjaminsko

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16:47:57 <Zakim> -dauwhe

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16:47:58 <Zakim> -astearns

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16:47:58 <Zakim> -gcapiel

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16:47:59 <Zakim> -fjh

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16:48:02 <Zakim> -JeanK

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16:48:04 <Zakim> -plinss

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16:48:43 <Zakim> -walkley

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16:48:55 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

16:48:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, Suzanne_Taylor, tmichel

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16:48:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Bert, Sharad, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss

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16:48:57 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor

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16:55:45 <Suzanne> ivan  - would you be able to share laura fowler's email with me? I want to write and see who from ETS might be planning to join the accessibility taskforce

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Suzanne Taylor: ivan - would you be able to share laura fowler's email with me? I want to write and see who from ETS might be planning to join the accessibility taskforce

16:56:02 <tmichel> tmichel I am here ...

Thierry Michel: tmichel I am here ...

17:02:13 <Suzanne> thx much!

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Suzanne Taylor: thx much!

17:02:25 <Zakim> -mgylling

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17:04:13 <Zakim> -Ivan

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17:04:19 <ivan> suzanne: lfowler@ets.org

Suzanne Taylor: lfowler@ets.org [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ]

17:04:43 <Suzanne> thx

Suzanne Taylor: thx

17:04:43 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:04:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/02-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

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17:09:13 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, tmichel, in SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM

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