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<ivan> Guest: Karen (karen) Myers
<ivan> Present: dauwhe, brady_duga, tzviya, vlad, bert, mgylling, Suzanne_Taylor, Sharad, Jean, Bill_Kasdorf, Hajar
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14:57:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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14:57:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:57:53 <trackbot> Date: 21 October 2013
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14:58:39 <Zakim> +Ruben
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14:58:40 <mgylling> brady, no
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14:58:44 <brady_duga> ok
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14:58:52 <Zakim> +??P13
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14:59:01 <mgylling> Zakim, P13 is me
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14:59:01 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P13'
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14:59:11 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P13 is me
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14:59:14 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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14:59:28 <Zakim> +Tzviya
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14:59:40 <Zakim> +duga
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14:59:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:00:20 <mgylling> regrets: Robert Sanderson, Frederick Hirsch, Ivan Herman
15:00:36 <Vlad> zakim, IPcaller is me
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15:00:36 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it
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15:00:38 <karen> zakim, code?
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15:00:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), karen
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15:00:41 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
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15:00:52 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 6 (62%), mgylling (34%)
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15:01:06 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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15:01:17 <brady_duga> Is this a prisoner reference?
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15:01:36 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky
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15:01:56 <karen> +1 muted person
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15:01:58 <Zakim> +BillKasdorf
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15:02:20 <Zakim> -Vlad
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15:02:44 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
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15:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see dauwhe, Ruben, mgylling, Tzviya, duga, Karen_Myers, JeanKaplansky, BillKasdorf, Bert
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15:02:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert, JeanKaplansky, Bill_Kasdorf, tzviya, brady_duga, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, Hajar, mgylling, karen, dauwhe, trackbot, plinss, sandro
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15:02:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:03:02 <Vlad> zakim, IPcaller is me
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15:03:02 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it
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15:04:00 <karen> Markus: any scribe volunteers today?
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15:04:03 <Zakim> +plinss
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15:04:21 <karen> Chair: Markus
15:04:23 <karen> Scribe: Karen
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15:04:27 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
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15:04:32 <karen> Markus: We did not meet last week but back in business now
Markus Gylling: We did not meet last week but back in business now ←
15:04:39 <mgylling> last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/dpub/DPUB-07-Oct-2013.htm
Markus Gylling: last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/dpub/DPUB-07-Oct-2013.htm ←
15:04:41 <karen> ...Minutes from previous week
...Minutes from previous week ←
15:04:49 <karen> ...Do we have any objections to approve them?
...Do we have any objections to approve them? ←
15:04:53 <karen> ...If so, speak up now
...If so, speak up now ←
15:05:03 <karen> ...Good, as you may recall
...Good, as you may recall ←
15:05:08 <karen> ...there was not a track bot
...there was not a track bot ←
15:05:14 <karen> ...because we changed channels
...because we changed channels ←
15:05:21 <karen> ...so last week's minutes are raw irc minutes
...so last week's minutes are raw irc minutes ←
15:05:24 <karen> ...We are back to normal today
...We are back to normal today ←
15:05:29 <karen> ...We have a mixed bag agenda today
...We have a mixed bag agenda today ←
15:05:33 <Suzanne_Taylor> Suzanne_Taylor has changed the topic to: Code this week is back to 3782
Suzanne Taylor: Suzanne_Taylor has changed the topic to: Code this week is back to 3782 ←
15:05:36 <karen> ...Some planning for TPAC Agenda
...Some planning for TPAC Agenda ←
15:05:42 <karen> ...Some Administrative issues
...Some Administrative issues ←
15:05:52 <karen> ...before we get to the Task Force [work]
...before we get to the Task Force [work] ←
15:05:58 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg
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15:06:01 <karen> ...Do we have anyone who has not been with us before today?
...Do we have anyone who has not been with us before today? ←
15:06:04 <karen> ...No
...No ←
15:06:10 <karen> ...Other small thing to relay for TPAC
...Other small thing to relay for TPAC ←
15:06:22 <karen> ...Ivan told me there will be dial-in abilities
...Ivan told me there will be dial-in abilities ←
15:06:30 <karen> ...a conference line and irc channel
...a conference line and irc channel ←
15:06:37 <karen> ...So you can partake in all or part
...So you can partake in all or part ←
15:06:44 <karen> ...Details will be provided closer to TPAC
...Details will be provided closer to TPAC ←
15:06:49 <karen> ...On to today's first discussion
...On to today's first discussion ←
15:07:06 <karen> ...As you know we have defined a set of task forces or sub-groups holding on a particular topic
...As you know we have defined a set of task forces or sub-groups holding on a particular topic ←
15:07:13 <karen> ...What we want to start thinking about acting on
...What we want to start thinking about acting on ←
15:07:20 <karen> ...is to identify additional task forces
...is to identify additional task forces ←
15:07:29 <karen> ...to speed up the process of use case and requirements production
...to speed up the process of use case and requirements production ←
15:07:38 <karen> ...Let's remind ourselves what we have currently for task forces
...Let's remind ourselves what we have currently for task forces ←
15:07:45 <karen> ...We have Pagination group with Dave Cramer
...We have Pagination group with Dave Cramer ←
15:07:55 <karen> ...Social MEdia and Annotations with Robert Sanderson as lead
...Social MEdia and Annotations with Robert Sanderson as lead ←
15:08:03 <karen> ...Accessibility with Suzanne Taylor from Pearson
...Accessibility with Suzanne Taylor from Pearson ←
15:08:09 <karen> ...And Jean Kaplansky for
...And Jean Kaplansky for ←
15:08:11 <karen> ...MathML
...MathML ←
15:08:18 <karen> ...is that correct, or is there a broader scope?
...is that correct, or is there a broader scope? ←
15:08:35 <karen> Jean: I was doing MathML but we also have broader scope which is STM
Jean Kaplansky: I was doing MathML but we also have broader scope which is STM ←
15:08:41 <karen> Markus: Those are the four we have started
Markus Gylling: Those are the four we have started ←
15:09:01 <karen> Markus: Question becomes how do we want to proceed
Markus Gylling: Question becomes how do we want to proceed ←
15:09:07 <tzviya> there is a broader-scoped group of STM
Tzviya Siegman: there is a broader-scoped group of STM ←
15:09:14 <karen> ...to start new ones and continue with existing ones
...to start new ones and continue with existing ones ←
15:09:20 <karen> ...Let's do a quick evaluation of existing ones
...Let's do a quick evaluation of existing ones ←
15:09:25 <karen> ...Rob cannot be here today
...Rob cannot be here today ←
15:09:38 <karen> ...What we know is that his group has been one of the most active getting stuff onto the wiki
...What we know is that his group has been one of the most active getting stuff onto the wiki ←
15:09:49 <karen> ...which is the first stepping stone towards our final deliverables
...which is the first stepping stone towards our final deliverables ←
15:09:57 <karen> ...Rob is in the Annotation CG
...Rob is in the Annotation CG ←
15:10:04 <karen> ...don't worry a lot about getting what we need in that area
...don't worry a lot about getting what we need in that area ←
15:10:10 <karen> ...If you go to the directory page on the wiki
...If you go to the directory page on the wiki ←
15:10:22 <karen> ...we have gotten two thirds of the way on the use cases he has set out to enter
...we have gotten two thirds of the way on the use cases he has set out to enter ←
15:10:33 <karen> ...They have yet to be reviewed; but at a good early stage in the process
...They have yet to be reviewed; but at a good early stage in the process ←
15:10:42 <karen> ...Do we have any more on Social and Media Annotations?
...Do we have any more on Social and Media Annotations? ←
15:10:47 <karen> ...Shall we consider it running well?
...Shall we consider it running well? ←
15:10:54 <karen> ...Take that as a yes
...Take that as a yes ←
15:10:58 <karen> ...In terms of other work groups
...In terms of other work groups ←
15:11:02 <karen> ...Dave, on Pagination
...Dave, on Pagination ←
15:11:07 <karen> ...you are still in very early stages here
...you are still in very early stages here ←
15:11:16 <karen> ...We have good news with an IE coming with expertise
...We have good news with an IE coming with expertise ←
15:11:18 <karen> Dave: yes
Dave Cramer: yes ←
15:11:24 <karen> ...I will get in touch with his this week
...I will get in touch with his this week ←
15:11:27 <karen> ...he was approved
...he was approved ←
15:11:37 <karen> ...I have gotten a fair amount of work done on a pagination document
...I have gotten a fair amount of work done on a pagination document ←
15:11:52 <karen> ...We need to work out how we get this into a publicly available location so people can comment
...We need to work out how we get this into a publicly available location so people can comment ←
15:11:59 <karen> ...That is an official agenda item for today
...That is an official agenda item for today ←
15:12:01 <karen> Markus: yes
Markus Gylling: yes ←
15:12:05 <karen> ...May be a bit early
...May be a bit early ←
15:12:16 <karen> ...If task forces have lack of resources, we should identify that
...If task forces have lack of resources, we should identify that ←
15:12:27 <karen> ...It's a tad too early in your case since you started so recently
...It's a tad too early in your case since you started so recently ←
15:12:31 <karen> Dave: yes, things are not at risk
Dave Cramer: yes, things are not at risk ←
15:12:34 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:12:39 <karen> ...but I want to get it set up and on a server
...but I want to get it set up and on a server ←
15:12:48 <karen> ...and start getting feedback and contributions
...and start getting feedback and contributions ←
15:12:52 <karen> ...Doing this in isolation now
...Doing this in isolation now ←
15:12:59 <karen> ...would be a good next step to get this going
...would be a good next step to get this going ←
15:13:15 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:13:16 <karen> Markus: let's talk about this
Markus Gylling: let's talk about this ←
15:13:27 <karen> ack Tzviya
ack Tzviya ←
15:13:38 <karen> Tzviya: a lot has to do with trade books
Tzviya Siegman: a lot has to do with trade books ←
15:13:50 <karen> ...outside of this world, we may want to get input from the rest of publishing
...outside of this world, we may want to get input from the rest of publishing ←
15:13:55 <karen> Dave: that would be great
Dave Cramer: that would be great ←
15:14:02 <karen> ...I have added some stuff that is not trade centric
...I have added some stuff that is not trade centric ←
15:14:07 <karen> ...writing in HTML not in Google doc
...writing in HTML not in Google doc ←
15:14:14 <karen> ...seems the discussion with Ivan
...seems the discussion with Ivan ←
15:14:18 <karen> ...would be good
...would be good ←
15:14:32 <karen> Markus: Point taken, Tzviya, we need to look at other domains
Markus Gylling: Point taken, Tzviya, we need to look at other domains ←
15:14:41 <karen> ...not just describing for the West
...not just describing for the West ←
15:14:56 <karen> ...Ok, Suzanne, how do you describe your current state?
...Ok, Suzanne, how do you describe your current state? ←
15:15:12 <karen> Suzanne: I am unsure about how to collect names who want to participate and how to set up the calls
Suzanne Taylor: I am unsure about how to collect names who want to participate and how to set up the calls ←
15:15:21 <karen> ...first time running a W3C task force
...first time running a W3C task force ←
15:15:32 <karen> Markus: it's up to us to define best way to do things
Markus Gylling: it's up to us to define best way to do things ←
15:15:38 <karen> ...I would start by the mailing list
...I would start by the mailing list ←
15:15:45 <karen> ...It has been a bit silent so far
...It has been a bit silent so far ←
15:15:55 <karen> ...Important to have requirements and use cases going there
...Important to have requirements and use cases going there ←
15:15:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:16:01 <karen> ...it is automatically archived
...it is automatically archived ←
15:16:10 <karen> ...so good to get discourse going on the mailing list
...so good to get discourse going on the mailing list ←
15:16:16 <karen> ...In terms of getting people to help you out
...In terms of getting people to help you out ←
15:16:22 <karen> ...I have been reaching out to Benetech
...I have been reaching out to Benetech ←
15:16:28 <karen> ...they recently became a W3C member
...they recently became a W3C member ←
15:16:35 <karen> ...and they are all about Accessibility
...and they are all about Accessibility ←
15:16:44 <karen> ...also will get a Daisy Consortium member to participate
...also will get a Daisy Consortium member to participate ←
15:16:55 <karen> ...And I think we have a w3C member from Protocols and Formats WG
...And I think we have a w3C member from Protocols and Formats WG ←
15:17:02 <karen> ...to contribute in Accessibility area
...to contribute in Accessibility area ←
15:17:06 <karen> Suzanne: great
Suzanne Taylor: great ←
15:17:14 <karen> Markus: Do you have others in mind?
Markus Gylling: Do you have others in mind? ←
15:17:24 <karen> Suzanne: Would be great to find someone from school systems and universities
Suzanne Taylor: Would be great to find someone from school systems and universities ←
15:17:32 <karen> ...a lot of what we want to look at has to do with education
...a lot of what we want to look at has to do with education ←
15:17:34 <karen> ack Bill
ack Bill ←
15:17:38 <karen> Bill: I have two names
Bill Kasdorf: I have two names ←
15:17:43 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:17:44 <karen> ...one is Bob Mingo at Georgia State
...one is Bob Martinengo at Georgia State ←
15:17:48 <karen> ...another is @
...another is @ ←
15:17:57 <mgylling> s/Mingo/Martinengo/
15:18:00 <karen> ...Markus is AAP a member or considering?
...Markus is AAP a member or considering? ←
15:18:18 <karen> Karen: I'll follow up with you offline
Karen Myers: I'll follow up with you offline ←
15:18:26 <karen> Bill: university contacts may be good
Bill Kasdorf: university contacts may be good ←
15:18:29 <karen> Suzanne: thank you
Suzanne Taylor: thank you ←
15:18:33 <karen> Bill: I am on queue
Bill Kasdorf: I am on queue ←
15:18:42 <karen> ...mailing list is that it goes to IG members or more broadly?
...mailing list is that it goes to IG members or more broadly? ←
15:18:49 <karen> Markus: We use the public-dpub-ig list
Markus Gylling: We use the public-dpub-ig list ←
15:19:24 <karen> Karen: subscribers to public lists can post
Karen Myers: subscribers to public lists can post ←
15:19:55 <karen> Markus: Bill, we'll need to first look at W3C membership
Markus Gylling: Bill, we'll need to first look at W3C membership ←
15:20:04 <karen> ...since it takes time to become an IE or Member
...since it takes time to become an IE or Member ←
15:20:08 <karen> ...So Daisy would be good
...So Daisy would be good ←
15:20:17 <karen> ...In terms of schools and unversities
...In terms of schools and unversities ←
15:21:15 <karen> Karen: I'm happy to work with offline Suzanne about current members and identification of other universities doing work in this area
Karen Myers: I'm happy to work with offline Suzanne about current members and identification of other universities doing work in this area ←
15:21:37 <karen> Bill: Courfe and Vital Source
Bill Kasdorf: CourseSmart and Vital Source ←
15:21:47 <karen> ...biggest distributors of higher ed books
...biggest distributors of higher ed books ←
15:21:56 <mgylling> s/Courfe/CourseSmart/
15:22:00 <karen> ...and they have significant Accessibility requirements in their platforms
...and they have significant Accessibility requirements in their platforms ←
15:22:08 <tzviya> CourseSmart and VitalSource (an Ingram company)
Tzviya Siegman: CourseSmart and VitalSource (an Ingram company) ←
15:22:30 <karen> Markus: Continue to expand outreach
Markus Gylling: Continue to expand outreach ←
15:22:36 <karen> Suzanne: thank you
Suzanne Taylor: thank you ←
15:22:39 <karen> Markus: Jean and STM
Markus Gylling: Jean and STM ←
15:22:47 <karen> Jean: Right now we have a few actual use cases out there
Jean Kaplansky: Right now we have a few actual use cases out there ←
15:22:58 <karen> ...and area we need to pick up again
...and area we need to pick up again ←
15:23:04 <karen> ...I have been doing testing across devices
...I have been doing testing across devices ←
15:23:11 <karen> ...we're doing a webinar Nov 5th
...we're doing a webinar Nov 5th ←
15:23:14 <karen> ...it will start up again
...it will start up again ←
15:23:19 <karen> ...after I finish a bit of consulting
...after I finish a bit of consulting ←
15:23:26 <karen> ...and put together more information based on testing
...and put together more information based on testing ←
15:23:28 <karen> Markus: great
Markus Gylling: great ←
15:23:37 <karen> ...Do you have any thoughts about other stakeholders we should try to engage?
...Do you have any thoughts about other stakeholders we should try to engage? ←
15:23:42 <karen> Jean: In terms of W3C members
Jean Kaplansky: In terms of W3C members ←
15:24:03 <karen> ...we might want to reach out to someone at Cengage Learning
...we might want to reach out to someone at Cengage Learning ←
15:24:07 <karen> +1 Karen in touch
+1 Karen in touch ←
15:24:11 <karen> ...and they do a lot of..
...and they do a lot of.. ←
15:24:32 <tzviya> Wiley will contribute to STM use cases
Tzviya Siegman: Wiley will contribute to STM use cases ←
15:24:35 <karen> Jean: have not thought of anybody else
Jean Kaplansky: have not thought of anybody else ←
15:24:43 <karen> Bill: Springer, Elsevier?
Bill Kasdorf: Springer, Elsevier? ←
15:24:50 <karen> Jean: Those are good choices as well
Jean Kaplansky: Those are good choices as well ←
15:24:54 <karen> Bill: they are big enough
Bill Kasdorf: they are big enough ←
15:25:02 <karen> ...would be good candidates for W3C membership
...would be good candidates for W3C membership ←
15:25:08 <karen> Jean: Springer and Elsevier are good choices
Jean Kaplansky: Springer and Elsevier are good choices ←
15:25:14 <karen> ...I will have to get back to you on that
...I will have to get back to you on that ←
15:25:21 <karen> ...also thinking about at least one university person
...also thinking about at least one university person ←
15:25:35 <karen> Karen: I am happy to follow up with Jean offline as well
Karen Myers: I am happy to follow up with Jean offline as well ←
15:25:37 <karen> Markus: Good
Markus Gylling: Good ←
15:25:46 <karen> ...Jean, it sounds like you have a plan to get going
...Jean, it sounds like you have a plan to get going ←
15:25:48 <karen> Jean: yes
Jean Kaplansky: yes ←
15:25:54 <karen> ...heads down on testing and development period
...heads down on testing and development period ←
15:26:03 <karen> ...then go back to what I'm doing for W3C
...then go back to what I'm doing for W3C ←
15:26:09 <karen> Markus: The next major question is new task forces
Markus Gylling: The next major question is new task forces ←
15:26:18 <karen> ...What do we try to start beyond what we already have
...What do we try to start beyond what we already have ←
15:26:22 <karen> ...Do we have any volunteers
...Do we have any volunteers ←
15:26:34 <karen> Tzviya: One of areas
Tzviya Siegman: One of areas ←
15:26:41 <karen> ...listed is InfoGraphics
...listed is InfoGraphics ←
15:26:50 <karen> ...I think large images become tricky
...I think large images become tricky ←
15:26:55 <karen> ...dealing with multiple screen sizes
...dealing with multiple screen sizes ←
15:27:01 <karen> ...may be an area we want to explore
...may be an area we want to explore ←
15:27:06 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:27:06 <karen> ...Not something I am equipped to head up
...Not something I am equipped to head up ←
15:27:12 <karen> ...but maybe somebody else is
...but maybe somebody else is ←
15:27:22 <karen> Markus: What is the abstract description of the problem?
Markus Gylling: What is the abstract description of the problem? ←
15:27:28 <karen> ...tables are same problem
...tables are same problem ←
15:27:37 <karen> Tzviya: may be in area of adaptive layout
Tzviya Siegman: may be in area of adaptive layout ←
15:27:42 <karen> ...especially when they include fine detail
...especially when they include fine detail ←
15:27:45 <karen> Markus: yes
Markus Gylling: yes ←
15:27:45 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:27:47 <karen> ...that is one area
...that is one area ←
15:28:03 <karen> ...We have short exchange about fonts
...We have short exchange about fonts ←
15:28:08 <karen> ...and maybe starting something about that
...and maybe starting something about that ←
15:28:12 <karen> ...Is Vlad on the call?
...Is Vlad on the call? ←
15:28:19 <karen> Vlad: yes, on call, but bad connection
Vladimir Levantovsky: yes, on call, but bad connection ←
15:28:36 <karen> Markus: Do you think it's a good idea to start a task force around fonts in dpublishing
Markus Gylling: Do you think it's a good idea to start a task force around fonts in dpublishing ←
15:28:41 <karen> Vlad: I would like to give it more thought
Vladimir Levantovsky: I would like to give it more thought ←
15:28:56 <karen> ...not about fonts but more about typography as a resource; how people use fonts
...not about fonts but more about typography as a resource; how people use fonts ←
15:29:04 <karen> ...see if it's worthwhile to create a sub-group
...see if it's worthwhile to create a sub-group ←
15:29:16 <karen> ...or if it's done another way; good to discuss at TPAC
...or if it's done another way; good to discuss at TPAC ←
15:29:19 <karen> ...I will be there
...I will be there ←
15:29:28 <karen> Markus: yes, we need to understand better what you have in mind
Markus Gylling: yes, we need to understand better what you have in mind ←
15:29:35 <karen> ...We have a placeholder slot for this
...We have a placeholder slot for this ←
15:29:41 <karen> ...Good to devote some time to this at TPAC
...Good to devote some time to this at TPAC ←
15:29:45 <karen> Vlad: good, thank you
Vladimir Levantovsky: good, thank you ←
15:29:48 <karen> Markus: What else?
Markus Gylling: What else? ←
15:29:57 <karen> Tzviya: We have not approached the topic of metadata at all
Tzviya Siegman: We have not approached the topic of metadata at all ←
15:30:01 <karen> ...there is a lot of it out there
...there is a lot of it out there ←
15:30:04 <karen> ...and it's all messed up
...and it's all messed up ←
15:30:06 <karen> Markus: yes
Markus Gylling: yes ←
15:30:12 <karen> ...I have talked with Ivan as well
...I have talked with Ivan as well ←
15:30:16 <karen> ...In terms of addressing
...In terms of addressing ←
15:30:23 <karen> ...it's an enormously complicated field
...it's an enormously complicated field ←
15:30:26 <Sharad> q+
Sharad Garg: q+ ←
15:30:45 <karen> ...It's...challenging to have just IDPF and W3C address when there are many solutions out there
...It's...challenging to have just IDPF and W3C address when there are many solutions out there ←
15:31:00 <karen> ...Tzviya, maybe you have ideas about what to contribute
...Tzviya, maybe you have ideas about what to contribute ←
15:31:04 <karen> ack Sharad
ack Sharad ←
15:31:14 <karen> Bill: I would suggest looking at largest architecture issues
Bill Kasdorf: I would suggest looking at largest architecture issues ←
15:31:20 <karen> ...rather than what does metadata say
...rather than what does metadata say ←
15:31:20 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:31:26 <karen> ...either other aspects of HTML5 spec
...either other aspects of HTML5 spec ←
15:31:35 <karen> ...that could be approved and help increase the utility of metadata
...that could be approved and help increase the utility of metadata ←
15:31:45 <karen> ...it intersects with RDF and microdata
...it intersects with RDF and microdata ←
15:31:49 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:31:50 <karen> ...that approach I would suggest
...that approach I would suggest ←
15:32:01 <karen> ...We don't want to get into discussions with ONYX and PRISM
...We don't want to get into discussions with ONYX and PRISM ←
15:32:02 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya ←
15:32:07 <karen> ...should be a higher level than that
...should be a higher level than that ←
15:32:13 <karen> ack Tzviya
ack Tzviya ←
15:32:22 <karen> Tzviya: yes, Bill said what I was going to say
Tzviya Siegman: yes, Bill said what I was going to say ←
15:32:35 <karen> ...more like schema project to figure out how to incorporate with RDF
...more like schema project to figure out how to incorporate with RDF ←
15:32:43 <karen> ...I know a lot of people who would have fun with this
...I know a lot of people who would have fun with this ←
15:33:00 <karen> Markus: our mandate so to speak is to identify problems in the Open Web Platform
Markus Gylling: our mandate so to speak is to identify problems in the Open Web Platform ←
15:33:09 <karen> ...and say what it does not yet address for publishing
...and say what it does not yet address for publishing ←
15:33:15 <karen> ...is it really a problem here for the OWP
...is it really a problem here for the OWP ←
15:33:31 <karen> ...is it providing all the building blocks we need to make rich vocabularies
...is it providing all the building blocks we need to make rich vocabularies ←
15:33:40 <karen> Bill: not prepared to answer; but that may be the anser
Bill Kasdorf: not prepared to answer; but that may be the answer ←
15:33:46 <karen> s/anser/answer
15:33:55 <karen> Markus: that is a good approach
Markus Gylling: that is a good approach ←
15:34:00 <karen> ...to find out what the answer is
...to find out what the answer is ←
15:34:08 <karen> ...Bill, would you be willing to look at it
...Bill, would you be willing to look at it ←
15:34:15 <karen> ...not nec commit to lead it right away?
...not nec commit to lead it right away? ←
15:34:17 <karen> Bill: sure
Bill Kasdorf: sure ←
15:34:25 <karen> Markus: My first suggestion is for you to talk to Ivan
Markus Gylling: My first suggestion is for you to talk to Ivan ←
15:34:31 <karen> ...who also is SemWeb lead at W3C
...who also is SemWeb lead at W3C ←
15:34:38 <karen> ...contact him and we can set up an offline discussion
...contact him and we can set up an offline discussion ←
15:34:40 <karen> Bill: ok
Bill Kasdorf: ok ←
15:34:43 <karen> Markus: Good
Markus Gylling: Good ←
15:34:50 <karen> ...Another one I was thinking about
...Another one I was thinking about ←
15:35:01 <karen> ...and looking at you, Tzviya, about structural semantics
...and looking at you, Tzviya, about structural semantics ←
15:35:03 <karen> ...Thinking that
...Thinking that ←
15:35:10 <karen> ...at the moment ePub is extending HTML in various ways
...at the moment ePub is extending HTML in various ways ←
15:35:20 <karen> ..structural semantics; also name spaces being used
..structural semantics; also name spaces being used ←
15:35:28 <karen> ...you will know what I'm thinking about
...you will know what I'm thinking about ←
15:35:35 <karen> ...and that is one of the areas in this activity as a whole
...and that is one of the areas in this activity as a whole ←
15:35:42 <karen> ...is to understand what these extensions do and why
...is to understand what these extensions do and why ←
15:35:55 <karen> ...and whether OWP should provide better solutions to enable these extensions
...and whether OWP should provide better solutions to enable these extensions ←
15:36:12 <karen> ...I am looking for a task force to look at the various extensions being used out there and documenting them
...I am looking for a task force to look at the various extensions being used out there and documenting them ←
15:36:14 <Bill_Kasdorf> Correction, "Sharad" above should be "Bill"
Bill Kasdorf: Correction, "Sharad" above should be "Bill" ←
15:36:22 <karen> ...So we have documented extension use cases
...So we have documented extension use cases ←
15:36:26 <karen> q?
q? ←
15:36:34 <karen> Markus: Structural semantics is just one
Markus Gylling: Structural semantics is just one ←
15:36:46 <karen> Tzviya: Examples like data type
Tzviya Siegman: Examples like data type ←
15:36:52 <karen> Markus; yes and custom name spaces
Markus; yes and custom name spaces ←
15:37:09 <karen> ...all the kinds of things that various vendors do in slightly different ways
...all the kinds of things that various vendors do in slightly different ways ←
15:37:20 <karen> ...I am wondering if there is anybody who would be willing to focus on HTML content
...I am wondering if there is anybody who would be willing to focus on HTML content ←
15:37:26 <karen> ...extensions or adaption
...extensions or adaption ←
15:37:38 <karen> ...and basically map out use cases for extentions that we have today?
...and basically map out use cases for extentions that we have today? ←
15:37:48 <karen> Tzviya: I could take a stab at it
Tzviya Siegman: I could take a stab at it ←
15:37:58 <karen> Markus: Thank you
Markus Gylling: Thank you ←
15:38:03 <karen> ...Looking at the wiki page
...Looking at the wiki page ←
15:38:08 <karen> ...you started structural semantics
...you started structural semantics ←
15:38:13 <karen> ...could you genericize it
...could you genericize it ←
15:38:20 <karen> ...to include that and also include dictionaries
...to include that and also include dictionaries ←
15:38:28 <karen> ...along with this
...along with this ←
15:38:36 <karen> ...don't just limit to structural but also behavioral
...don't just limit to structural but also behavioral ←
15:38:37 <Hajar> I would like to contribute on HTML content
Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: I would like to contribute on HTML content ←
15:38:51 <karen> ...Suggestion for now that we have a new task force with Tzviya's lead
...Suggestion for now that we have a new task force with Tzviya's lead ←
15:38:54 <karen> ...what should we call it?
...what should we call it? ←
15:39:10 <JeanKaplansky> q+
Jean Kaplansky: q+ ←
15:39:30 <karen> Markus: use mailing list to comment, ask questions, make announcements so we get more traffic on the list
Markus Gylling: use mailing list to comment, ask questions, make announcements so we get more traffic on the list ←
15:39:38 <karen> ...Any questions, Tzviya
...Any questions, Tzviya ←
15:39:49 <karen> Tzviya: I know there are people who interpret algorithms
Tzviya Siegman: I know there are people who interpret algorithms ←
15:39:54 <karen> ...does this fall into this category
...does this fall into this category ←
15:40:09 <karen> Markus: Interpret as in what?
Markus Gylling: Interpret as in what? ←
15:40:24 <karen> Tzviya: A new reference; rendering of book behaves in a certain way
Tzviya Siegman: A new reference; rendering of book behaves in a certain way ←
15:40:29 <karen> Markus: Heuristics?
Markus Gylling: Heuristics? ←
15:40:39 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:40:42 <karen> ...no, I don't we think should describe these
...no, I don't we think should describe these ←
15:40:47 <karen> ...great to see you take this on
...great to see you take this on ←
15:40:57 <mgylling> ack JeanKaplansky
Markus Gylling: ack JeanKaplansky ←
15:40:57 <karen> ack Jean
ack Jean ←
15:41:13 <karen> Jean: I was going to say...we should think of something to call it rather than Extensibility group
Jean Kaplansky: I was going to say...we should think of something to call it rather than Extensibility group ←
15:41:16 <karen> ...we have been there with XML
...we have been there with XML ←
15:41:21 <karen> ...and we don't want any confusion
...and we don't want any confusion ←
15:41:24 <karen> Markus: right
Markus Gylling: right ←
15:41:28 <karen> ...All of these things are done
...All of these things are done ←
15:41:34 <karen> ...because they are wanting in a declarative way
...because they are wanting in a declarative way ←
15:41:38 <karen> ...to indicate behaviors
...to indicate behaviors ←
15:41:49 <karen> ...the read about attribute to an audio element has a specific behavior
...the read about attribute to an audio element has a specific behavior ←
15:41:58 <karen> ...maybe call it something with behavioral adaption
...maybe call it something with behavioral adaption ←
15:42:02 <karen> ...is that what this is about?
...is that what this is about? ←
15:42:05 <karen> Jean: That makes sense
Jean Kaplansky: That makes sense ←
15:42:09 <karen> ...we threw out heuristic
...we threw out heuristic ←
15:42:14 <karen> ...maybe call it behavioral
...maybe call it behavioral ←
15:42:21 <karen> Markus: Behavioral Adaptional Content
Markus Gylling: Behavioral Adaptional Content ←
15:42:24 <karen> ...maybe start there
...maybe start there ←
15:42:27 <mgylling> ack Ruben
Markus Gylling: ack Ruben ←
15:42:32 <karen> ack Ruben
ack Ruben ←
15:42:35 <mgylling> q+
Markus Gylling: q+ ←
15:42:38 <mgylling> q-
Markus Gylling: q- ←
15:42:39 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:42:47 <Sharad> q+
Sharad Garg: q+ ←
15:42:59 <karen> Markus: of the task forces to kick off today
Markus Gylling: of the task forces to kick off today ←
15:43:06 <karen> ...two new threads have started today
...two new threads have started today ←
15:43:18 <karen> ...Bill is talking to Ivan about metadata and find an approach to find something there
...Bill is talking to Ivan about metadata and find an approach to find something there ←
15:43:26 <karen> ...And Tzviya is doing behavioral adpation of content
...And Tzviya is doing behavioral adpation of content ←
15:43:45 <karen> Markus: we have started agenda page for TPAC
Markus Gylling: we have started agenda page for TPAC ←
15:43:48 <karen> ...Item 10
...Item 10 ←
15:43:54 <karen> ...agenda email
...agenda email ←
15:44:03 <karen> ...we are talking and meeting with CSS group and parts of HTML Wg
...we are talking and meeting with CSS group and parts of HTML Wg ←
15:44:08 <karen> ...If you go onto the agenda page
...If you go onto the agenda page ←
15:44:14 <karen> ...you will see preliminary meetings
...you will see preliminary meetings ←
15:44:25 <karen> ...Also hope to have sessions to work on use case and requirements production
...Also hope to have sessions to work on use case and requirements production ←
15:44:29 <karen> ...We have currently listed five
...We have currently listed five ←
15:44:34 <karen> ...Not go into deep discussion now
...Not go into deep discussion now ←
15:44:41 <karen> ...But request to all of you who are participating
...But request to all of you who are participating ←
15:44:52 <karen> ...and let us know if there is a particular topic you would like to see listed
...and let us know if there is a particular topic you would like to see listed ←
15:44:58 <karen> ...We decided today we will talk about fonts
...We decided today we will talk about fonts ←
15:45:02 <karen> ...Vlad will be tehre
...Vlad will be tehre ←
15:45:05 <karen> s/there
s/there ←
15:45:13 <karen> ...We are talking about Pagination with CSS WG
...We are talking about Pagination with CSS WG ←
15:45:19 <karen> ...and work on producing requirements
...and work on producing requirements ←
15:45:28 <karen> ...your review of agenda topics and requirements is welcome
...your review of agenda topics and requirements is welcome ←
15:45:31 <karen> ...Any questions
...Any questions ←
15:45:42 <karen> ack Ruben
ack Ruben ←
15:45:50 <mgylling> ack Sharad
Markus Gylling: ack Sharad ←
15:46:01 <karen> Sharad: Should this group worry about anything to do with security or not?
Sharad Garg: Should this group worry about anything to do with security or not? ←
15:46:06 <karen> Markus: yeah
Markus Gylling: yeah ←
15:46:10 <karen> ...it is not out of scope
...it is not out of scope ←
15:46:17 <karen> Sharad: Should we create a group with that?
Sharad Garg: Should we create a group with that? ←
15:46:21 <karen> Markus: sure
Markus Gylling: sure ←
15:46:24 <karen> ...that is certainly doable
...that is certainly doable ←
15:46:27 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
15:46:33 <karen> ...would you be willing to lead that sub-group?
...would you be willing to lead that sub-group? ←
15:46:37 <karen> Sharad: yes
Sharad Garg: yes ←
15:46:45 <karen> Markus: So we are listing a third new effort today
Markus Gylling: So we are listing a third new effort today ←
15:46:46 <mgylling> ack dauwhe
Markus Gylling: ack dauwhe ←
15:46:52 <karen> ...on security with lead from Sharad
...on security with lead from Sharad ←
15:47:00 <karen> Dave: is it content protection type ideas
Dave Cramer: is it content protection type ideas ←
15:47:06 <karen> ...be in contact with Ivan
...be in contact with Ivan ←
15:47:13 <karen> ...about what @ is doing and W3C doing with EME
...about what @ is doing and W3C doing with EME ←
15:47:17 <karen> ...some talk of it that this group
...some talk of it that this group ←
15:47:25 <karen> ...might be a place to work out relationship between these things
...might be a place to work out relationship between these things ←
15:47:30 <karen> ...what are needs of publishing industry
...what are needs of publishing industry ←
15:47:38 <karen> ...with tech that w3C is already or potentially working on
...with tech that w3C is already or potentially working on ←
15:47:40 <karen> Markus: exactly
Markus Gylling: exactly ←
15:47:44 <karen> ...A good outcome
...A good outcome ←
15:47:52 <karen> ...is to describe what DRM means in the case of digital publishing
...is to describe what DRM means in the case of digital publishing ←
15:47:59 <karen> Dave: yes, there is some confusion about
Dave Cramer: yes, there is some confusion about ←
15:48:12 <karen> ...technologies that exist around books and as it relates to web platform
...technologies that exist around books and as it relates to web platform ←
15:48:18 <karen> Markus: exactly
Markus Gylling: exactly ←
15:48:20 <karen> ...that is right
...that is right ←
15:48:26 <karen> ...Ruben, are you here?
...Ruben, are you here? ←
15:48:31 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:48:45 <karen> ack Brady
ack Brady ←
15:48:49 <mgylling> ack brady_duga
Markus Gylling: ack brady_duga ←
15:48:56 <karen> Brady: I have a question about security for users or for IPR?
Brady Duga: I have a question about security for users or for IPR? ←
15:49:03 <karen> Markus: for users or publishers?
Markus Gylling: for users or publishers? ←
15:49:12 <karen> Sharad: If we are to comprehend, we have to look at both
Sharad Garg: If we are to comprehend, we have to look at both ←
15:49:15 <karen> ...users and publishers
...users and publishers ←
15:49:20 <karen> ...and sometimes devices as well
...and sometimes devices as well ←
15:49:29 <karen> ...Maybe goal of sub-group is to see what has been done
...Maybe goal of sub-group is to see what has been done ←
15:49:35 <karen> ...and if there are limitations for publishers
...and if there are limitations for publishers ←
15:49:42 <karen> ...or issues for users as well
...or issues for users as well ←
15:49:44 <karen> ...Makes sense?
...Makes sense? ←
15:49:53 <karen> Brady: that is a good answer, thank you
Brady Duga: that is a good answer, thank you ←
15:49:59 <karen> Sharad: I am happy to talk to you
Sharad Garg: I am happy to talk to you ←
15:50:08 <karen> Markus: We need to move on
Markus Gylling: We need to move on ←
15:50:13 <mgylling> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0014.html
Markus Gylling: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0014.html ←
15:50:16 <karen> ...Next agenda item is a request for review of CSS Text
...Next agenda item is a request for review of CSS Text ←
15:50:19 <karen> ...Posted by Bert Bos
...Posted by Bert Bos ←
15:50:34 <karen> ...we are hopefully going to be able to produce some comments on this from a publishing perspective
...we are hopefully going to be able to produce some comments on this from a publishing perspective ←
15:50:42 <karen> ...we have until Nov 7th to produce commentary
...we have until Nov 7th to produce commentary ←
15:50:53 <karen> ...Do we have anyone here today who would like to take on review of this specification?
...Do we have anyone here today who would like to take on review of this specification? ←
15:51:01 <karen> ...Somebody reviews and brings up on one of these calls
...Somebody reviews and brings up on one of these calls ←
15:51:08 <karen> ...So this group can respond as a whole
...So this group can respond as a whole ←
15:51:13 <karen> Dave: I can probably do that
Dave Cramer: I can probably do that ←
15:51:19 <karen> Jean: I can contribute to it
Jean Kaplansky: I can contribute to it ←
15:51:22 <karen> Markus: anybody else
Markus Gylling: anybody else ←
15:51:27 <karen> @: I will take a look
Brady Duga: I will take a look ←
15:51:33 <karen> s/@/Brady
15:51:41 <karen> Markus: Dave, Jean and Brady
Markus Gylling: Dave, Jean and Brady ←
15:51:45 <karen> ...Not too much time left
...Not too much time left ←
15:51:50 <karen> ...So ask that you complete your review
...So ask that you complete your review ←
15:51:54 <karen> ...by Monday, 4 November
...by Monday, 4 November ←
15:52:00 <karen> ...and we'll bring this up the agenda then
...and we'll bring this up the agenda then ←
15:52:14 <karen> ...for review and we will send to Bert and CSS WG on 5th or 6th
...for review and we will send to Bert and CSS WG on 5th or 6th ←
15:52:20 <karen> ...Any more questions about Bert and CSS WG?
...Any more questions about Bert and CSS WG? ←
15:52:22 <karen> ...Great
...Great ←
15:52:33 <karen> ...Dave Cramer and Pagination
...Dave Cramer and Pagination ←
15:52:36 <karen> ...You told us before
...You told us before ←
15:52:49 <karen> ...You continued work in a separate HTML doc not yet publicly available
...You continued work in a separate HTML doc not yet publicly available ←
15:53:03 <karen> Dave: right, based on conversations with you and Ivan about what authoring process to use
Dave Cramer: right, based on conversations with you and Ivan about what authoring process to use ←
15:53:10 <karen> Markus: using GitHub is doable
Markus Gylling: using GitHub is doable ←
15:53:18 <karen> ...one of reasons we are doing wiki is to keep content there
...one of reasons we are doing wiki is to keep content there ←
15:53:24 <karen> ...we will do a report format later on
...we will do a report format later on ←
15:53:33 <karen> ...and not have a struggle for contributors
...and not have a struggle for contributors ←
15:53:49 <karen> ...If we believe use of github and respec will not be a hindrance, certainly fine
...If we believe use of github and respec will not be a hindrance, certainly fine ←
15:53:59 <karen> Dave: this is a fairly complex document structurally
Dave Cramer: this is a fairly complex document structurally ←
15:54:08 <karen> ...has numerous code examples, illustrations
...has numerous code examples, illustrations ←
15:54:11 <karen> ...things like that
...things like that ←
15:54:13 <mgylling> s/@/Git and ReSpec/
15:54:21 <karen> ...does not seem a natural fit for a wiki environment
...does not seem a natural fit for a wiki environment ←
15:54:22 <karen> Markus: sure
Markus Gylling: sure ←
15:54:37 <karen> Dave: I have never been ivolved with this kind of work at W3C so far
Dave Cramer: I have never been ivolved with this kind of work at W3C so far ←
15:54:42 <karen> ...Ivan suggesting this
...Ivan suggesting this ←
15:54:57 <karen> ...also not clear how much people are interested to author sections within this document on their own
...also not clear how much people are interested to author sections within this document on their own ←
15:55:05 <karen> ...or if I do the work to integrate contributions
...or if I do the work to integrate contributions ←
15:55:07 <karen> ...things like that
...things like that ←
15:55:18 <karen> Markus: Would this live on w3C Github account?
Markus Gylling: Would this live on w3C Github account? ←
15:55:21 <karen> Dave: yes, I think so
Dave Cramer: yes, I think so ←
15:55:26 <karen> Markus: sure
Markus Gylling: sure ←
15:55:39 <karen> Dave: would need some help from Ivan getting this up and running
Dave Cramer: would need some help from Ivan getting this up and running ←
15:55:47 <karen> ...and set up an appropriate location
...and set up an appropriate location ←
15:55:51 <karen> ...for repositories
...for repositories ←
15:56:01 <karen> Markus: do we have any objections to moving this document to GitHub?
Markus Gylling: do we have any objections to moving this document to GitHub? ←
15:56:12 <karen> ...I suggest you contact Ivan and you get going
...I suggest you contact Ivan and you get going ←
15:56:20 <karen> ...This is same approach we will take for the wiki eventually
...This is same approach we will take for the wiki eventually ←
15:56:28 <karen> ...do that switch at the right point in time
...do that switch at the right point in time ←
15:56:30 <karen> ...which is not now
...which is not now ←
15:56:39 <karen> Dave: I'll be the guinea pig for this now
Dave Cramer: I'll be the guinea pig for this now ←
15:56:48 <karen> Markus: Anything else you want to discuss today?
Markus Gylling: Anything else you want to discuss today? ←
15:56:54 <karen> Dave: not at the moment
Dave Cramer: not at the moment ←
15:57:06 <karen> Markus: Suzanne, on Accessibility, anything to bring up today?
Markus Gylling: Suzanne, on Accessibility, anything to bring up today? ←
15:57:10 <karen> Suzanne: not today
Suzanne Taylor: not today ←
15:57:15 <karen> ...I am putting some categories up
...I am putting some categories up ←
15:57:18 <karen> ...and fill in use cases
...and fill in use cases ←
15:57:30 <karen> ...and hoping it will recruit more people and spart interest
...and hoping it will recruit more people and spart interest ←
15:57:35 <karen> Markus: sounds like a great plan
Markus Gylling: sounds like a great plan ←
15:57:40 <karen> ...we have a couple minutes left
...we have a couple minutes left ←
15:57:46 <karen> ...Has there been any activity on the wiki
...Has there been any activity on the wiki ←
15:57:59 <karen> Tzviya: I added a use case
Tzviya Siegman: I added a use case ←
15:58:06 <karen> Markus: what does it say?
Markus Gylling: what does it say? ←
15:58:19 <karen> Tzviya: table data needs to be legible at different screen sizes
Tzviya Siegman: table data needs to be legible at different screen sizes ←
15:58:26 <karen> Markus: right, under pagination and styling
Markus Gylling: right, under pagination and styling ←
15:58:35 <karen> ...this is the spirit of the image problem you mentioned earlier
...this is the spirit of the image problem you mentioned earlier ←
15:58:40 <karen> Tzviya: exactly
Tzviya Siegman: exactly ←
15:58:47 <karen> Markus: great
Markus Gylling: great ←
15:58:54 <karen> Bill: if nothing more...a question
Bill Kasdorf: if nothing more...a question ←
15:59:05 <karen> ...Am I right that the use cases will not be used for proposed solutions
...Am I right that the use cases will not be used for proposed solutions ←
15:59:11 <karen> ...describes a problem, right?
...describes a problem, right? ←
15:59:20 <karen> Markus: correct; we are just describing problems
Markus Gylling: correct; we are just describing problems ←
15:59:25 <karen> ...not finding solutions
...not finding solutions ←
15:59:38 <karen> Bill: collapsing rows and columns is in category of a proposed solution?
Bill Kasdorf: collapsing rows and columns is in category of a proposed solution? ←
15:59:48 <karen> Markus: also case we are only putting time into describing things that are problems
Markus Gylling: also case we are only putting time into describing things that are problems ←
15:59:57 <karen> ...If we have use cases already covered by OWP
...If we have use cases already covered by OWP ←
15:59:59 <karen> ...they are out
...they are out ←
16:00:07 <karen> ...We are not spending time to describe things that are solved
...We are not spending time to describe things that are solved ←
16:00:14 <karen> ...problem is in the ereader landscape
...problem is in the ereader landscape ←
16:00:25 <karen> ...whether OWP needs to accommodate tables better
...whether OWP needs to accommodate tables better ←
16:00:36 <karen> Tzviya: As screens get smaller, I think it's a problem on all platforms
Tzviya Siegman: As screens get smaller, I think it's a problem on all platforms ←
16:00:43 <karen> ...seeing it more in books than on web pages
...seeing it more in books than on web pages ←
16:00:59 <karen> Markus: perhaps you can elaborate more on the specifics of the problem
Markus Gylling: perhaps you can elaborate more on the specifics of the problem ←
16:01:09 <karen> ...so people will understand better than this is seriously annoying
...so people will understand better than this is seriously annoying ←
16:01:16 <karen> Bill: and broadening the IG
Bill Kasdorf: and broadening the IG ←
16:01:22 <karen> ...beyond book publishing
...beyond book publishing ←
16:01:30 <karen> ...journals are commonly online and it's a huge problem
...journals are commonly online and it's a huge problem ←
16:01:32 <karen> ...for journals
...for journals ←
16:01:47 <karen> ...people want to look at HTML journal content on various screen sizes so it's not just a book issue
...people want to look at HTML journal content on various screen sizes so it's not just a book issue ←
16:01:50 <karen> Markus: we are over time
Markus Gylling: we are over time ←
16:01:54 <karen> ...thank you for today
...thank you for today ←
16:01:57 <karen> ...Any further comments?
...Any further comments? ←
16:02:10 <karen> Hajar: I have a question
Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: I have a question ←
16:02:18 <karen> ...related to HTML5 and JS in epub
...related to HTML5 and JS in epub ←
16:02:24 <karen> ...have we mentioned this kind of problem
...have we mentioned this kind of problem ←
16:02:29 <karen> ...or refer to this problem in the IG
...or refer to this problem in the IG ←
16:02:37 <karen> Markus: if it's an epub problem, it's not for this IG
Markus Gylling: if it's an epub problem, it's not for this IG ←
16:02:42 <karen> ...if it's HTML5..
...if it's HTML5.. ←
16:02:48 <karen> Hajar: a widget in an ebook?
Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: a widget in an ebook? ←
16:03:06 <karen> Markus: if it's a problem with W3C technologies or a problem with ePub, not to be discussed here but at IDPF
Markus Gylling: if it's a problem with W3C technologies or a problem with ePub, not to be discussed here but at IDPF ←
16:03:22 <karen> Hajar: ebooks readers?
Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: ebooks readers? ←
16:03:29 <karen> ...sometimes...visiblity
...sometimes...visiblity ←
16:03:33 <Zakim> -Sharad_Garg
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16:03:36 <karen> ...which can be related to W3C?
...which can be related to W3C? ←
16:03:42 <karen> Markus: then yes, if related to W3C
Markus Gylling: then yes, if related to W3C ←
16:03:49 <karen> Hajar: I contributed HTML content
Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: I contributed HTML content ←
16:03:51 <karen> Markus: great
Markus Gylling: great ←
16:04:05 <karen> ...Hajar will contribute to Tzviya's effort
...Hajar will contribute to Tzviya's effort ←
16:04:08 <karen> ...any other questions
...any other questions ←
16:04:25 <karen> Suzanne: Is the MathML task force going to have a Pearson representative?
Suzanne Taylor: Is the MathML task force going to have a Pearson representative? ←
16:04:32 <karen> Jean: happy to have all contributors, that would be great
Jean Kaplansky: happy to have all contributors, that would be great ←
16:04:36 <karen> Markus: Any more questions
Markus Gylling: Any more questions ←
16:04:40 <karen> ...talk to you again next week
...talk to you again next week ←
16:04:47 <karen> ...and increasingly on the list as well
...and increasingly on the list as well ←
16:04:50 <karen> ...thank you everyone
...thank you everyone ←
16:04:50 <Zakim> -duga
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16:04:54 <Zakim> -BillKasdorf
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16:04:54 <Zakim> -dauwhe
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16:04:55 <Zakim> -Ruben
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16:04:55 <Zakim> -Tzviya
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16:04:56 <karen> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:05:03 <Zakim> Attendees were dauwhe, Ruben, mgylling, Tzviya, duga, Vlad, Karen_Myers, JeanKaplansky, BillKasdorf, Bert, plinss, Suzanne_Taylor, Sharad_Garg
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