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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 21 October 2013

Present
Dave Cramer, Brady Duga, Tzviya Siegman, Vladimir Levantovsky, Bert Bos, Markus Gylling, Suzanne Taylor, Sharad Garg, Jean Kaplansky, Bill Kasdorf, Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian
Guests
Karen Myers
Regrets
Robert Sanderson, Frederick Hirsch, Ivan Herman
Chair
Markus Gylling
Scribe
Karen Myers
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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14:57:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:57:53 <trackbot> Date: 21 October 2013
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14:58:20 <Zakim> +dauwhe

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14:58:32 <brady_duga> Is the status message still valid?

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14:58:39 <Zakim> +Ruben

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14:58:40 <mgylling> brady, no

Markus Gylling: brady, no

14:58:44 <brady_duga> ok

Brady Duga: ok

14:58:52 <Zakim> +??P13

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14:59:01 <mgylling> Zakim, P13 is me

Markus Gylling: Zakim, P13 is me

14:59:01 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P13'

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14:59:11 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P13 is me

Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??P13 is me

14:59:14 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it

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14:59:28 <Zakim> +Tzviya

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14:59:40 <Zakim> +duga

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14:59:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:00:20 <mgylling> regrets: Robert Sanderson, Frederick Hirsch, Ivan Herman
15:00:36 <Vlad> zakim, IPcaller is me

Vladimir Levantovsky: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:00:36 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it

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15:00:38 <karen> zakim, code?

Karen Myers: zakim, code?

15:00:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), karen

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15:00:41 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is noisy?

15:00:52 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 6 (62%), mgylling (34%)

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15:01:06 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

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15:01:17 <brady_duga> Is this a prisoner reference?

Brady Duga: Is this a prisoner reference?

15:01:36 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky

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15:01:56 <karen> +1 muted person

Karen Myers: +1 muted person

15:01:58 <Zakim> +BillKasdorf

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15:02:20 <Zakim> -Vlad

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15:02:29 <Zakim> +Bert

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15:02:44 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

15:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see dauwhe, Ruben, mgylling, Tzviya, duga, Karen_Myers, JeanKaplansky, BillKasdorf, Bert

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15:02:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert, JeanKaplansky, Bill_Kasdorf, tzviya, brady_duga, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, Hajar, mgylling, karen, dauwhe, trackbot, plinss, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bert, JeanKaplansky, Bill_Kasdorf, tzviya, brady_duga, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, Hajar, mgylling, karen, dauwhe, trackbot, plinss, sandro

15:02:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:03:02 <Vlad> zakim, IPcaller is me

Vladimir Levantovsky: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:03:02 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it

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15:04:00 <karen> Markus: any scribe volunteers today?

Markus Gylling: any scribe volunteers today? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:04:03 <Zakim> +plinss

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15:04:21 <karen> Chair: Markus
15:04:23 <karen> Scribe: Karen

(Scribe set to Karen Myers)

15:04:27 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor

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15:04:32 <karen> Markus: We did not meet last week but back in business now

Markus Gylling: We did not meet last week but back in business now

15:04:39 <mgylling> last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/dpub/DPUB-07-Oct-2013.htm

Markus Gylling: last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/dpub/DPUB-07-Oct-2013.htm

15:04:41 <karen> ...Minutes from previous week

...Minutes from previous week

15:04:49 <karen> ...Do we have any objections to approve them?

...Do we have any objections to approve them?

15:04:53 <karen> ...If so, speak up now

...If so, speak up now

15:05:03 <karen> ...Good, as you may recall

...Good, as you may recall

15:05:08 <karen> ...there was not a track bot

...there was not a track bot

15:05:14 <karen> ...because we changed channels

...because we changed channels

15:05:21 <karen> ...so last week's minutes are raw irc minutes

...so last week's minutes are raw irc minutes

15:05:24 <karen> ...We are back to normal today

...We are back to normal today

15:05:29 <karen> ...We have a mixed bag agenda today

...We have a mixed bag agenda today

15:05:33 <Suzanne_Taylor> Suzanne_Taylor has changed the topic to: Code this week is back to 3782

Suzanne Taylor: Suzanne_Taylor has changed the topic to: Code this week is back to 3782

15:05:36 <karen> ...Some planning for TPAC Agenda

...Some planning for TPAC Agenda

15:05:42 <karen> ...Some Administrative issues

...Some Administrative issues

15:05:52 <karen> ...before we get to the Task Force [work]

...before we get to the Task Force [work]

15:05:58 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad_Garg

15:06:01 <karen> ...Do we have anyone who has not been with us before today?

...Do we have anyone who has not been with us before today?

15:06:04 <karen> ...No

...No

15:06:10 <karen> ...Other small thing to relay for TPAC

...Other small thing to relay for TPAC

15:06:22 <karen> ...Ivan told me there will be dial-in abilities

...Ivan told me there will be dial-in abilities

15:06:30 <karen> ...a conference line and irc channel

...a conference line and irc channel

15:06:37 <karen> ...So you can partake in all or part

...So you can partake in all or part

15:06:44 <karen> ...Details will be provided closer to TPAC

...Details will be provided closer to TPAC

15:06:49 <karen> ...On to today's first discussion

...On to today's first discussion

15:07:06 <karen> ...As you know we have defined a set of task forces or sub-groups holding on a particular topic

...As you know we have defined a set of task forces or sub-groups holding on a particular topic

15:07:13 <karen> ...What we want to start thinking about acting on

...What we want to start thinking about acting on

15:07:20 <karen> ...is to identify additional task forces

...is to identify additional task forces

15:07:29 <karen> ...to speed up the process of use case and requirements production

...to speed up the process of use case and requirements production

15:07:38 <karen> ...Let's remind ourselves what we have currently for task forces

...Let's remind ourselves what we have currently for task forces

15:07:45 <karen> ...We have Pagination group with Dave Cramer

...We have Pagination group with Dave Cramer

15:07:55 <karen> ...Social MEdia and Annotations with Robert Sanderson as lead

...Social MEdia and Annotations with Robert Sanderson as lead

15:08:03 <karen> ...Accessibility with Suzanne Taylor from Pearson

...Accessibility with Suzanne Taylor from Pearson

15:08:09 <karen> ...And Jean Kaplansky for

...And Jean Kaplansky for

15:08:11 <karen> ...MathML

...MathML

15:08:18 <karen> ...is that correct, or is there a broader scope?

...is that correct, or is there a broader scope?

15:08:35 <karen> Jean: I was doing MathML but we also have broader scope which is STM

Jean Kaplansky: I was doing MathML but we also have broader scope which is STM

15:08:41 <karen> Markus: Those are the four we have started

Markus Gylling: Those are the four we have started

15:09:01 <karen> Markus: Question becomes how do we want to proceed

Markus Gylling: Question becomes how do we want to proceed

15:09:07 <tzviya> there is a broader-scoped group of STM

Tzviya Siegman: there is a broader-scoped group of STM

15:09:14 <karen> ...to start new ones and continue with existing ones

...to start new ones and continue with existing ones

15:09:20 <karen> ...Let's do a quick evaluation of existing ones

...Let's do a quick evaluation of existing ones

15:09:25 <karen> ...Rob cannot be here today

...Rob cannot be here today

15:09:38 <karen> ...What we know is that his group has been one of the most active getting stuff onto the wiki

...What we know is that his group has been one of the most active getting stuff onto the wiki

15:09:49 <karen> ...which is the first stepping stone towards our final deliverables

...which is the first stepping stone towards our final deliverables

15:09:57 <karen> ...Rob is in the Annotation CG

...Rob is in the Annotation CG

15:10:04 <karen> ...don't worry a lot about getting what we need in that area

...don't worry a lot about getting what we need in that area

15:10:10 <karen> ...If you go to the directory page on the wiki

...If you go to the directory page on the wiki

15:10:22 <karen> ...we have gotten two thirds of the way on the use cases he has set out to enter

...we have gotten two thirds of the way on the use cases he has set out to enter

15:10:33 <karen> ...They have yet to be reviewed; but at a good early stage in the process

...They have yet to be reviewed; but at a good early stage in the process

15:10:42 <karen> ...Do we have any more on Social and Media Annotations?

...Do we have any more on Social and Media Annotations?

15:10:47 <karen> ...Shall we consider it running well?

...Shall we consider it running well?

15:10:54 <karen> ...Take that as a yes

...Take that as a yes

15:10:58 <karen> ...In terms of other work groups

...In terms of other work groups

15:11:02 <karen> ...Dave, on Pagination

...Dave, on Pagination

15:11:07 <karen> ...you are still in very early stages here

...you are still in very early stages here

15:11:16 <karen> ...We have good news with an IE coming with expertise

...We have good news with an IE coming with expertise

15:11:18 <karen> Dave: yes

Dave Cramer: yes

15:11:24 <karen> ...I will get in touch with his this week

...I will get in touch with his this week

15:11:27 <karen> ...he was approved

...he was approved

15:11:37 <karen> ...I have gotten a fair amount of work done on a pagination document

...I have gotten a fair amount of work done on a pagination document

15:11:52 <karen> ...We need to work out how we get this into a publicly available location so people can comment

...We need to work out how we get this into a publicly available location so people can comment

15:11:59 <karen> ...That is an official agenda item for today

...That is an official agenda item for today

15:12:01 <karen> Markus: yes

Markus Gylling: yes

15:12:05 <karen> ...May be a bit early

...May be a bit early

15:12:16 <karen> ...If task forces have lack of resources, we should identify that

...If task forces have lack of resources, we should identify that

15:12:27 <karen> ...It's a tad too early in your case since you started so recently

...It's a tad too early in your case since you started so recently

15:12:31 <karen> Dave: yes, things are not at risk

Dave Cramer: yes, things are not at risk

15:12:34 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:12:39 <karen> ...but I want to get it set up and on a server

...but I want to get it set up and on a server

15:12:48 <karen> ...and start getting feedback and contributions

...and start getting feedback and contributions

15:12:52 <karen> ...Doing this in isolation now

...Doing this in isolation now

15:12:59 <karen> ...would be a good next step to get this going

...would be a good next step to get this going

15:13:15 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

15:13:16 <karen> Markus: let's talk about this

Markus Gylling: let's talk about this

15:13:27 <karen> ack Tzviya

ack Tzviya

15:13:38 <karen> Tzviya: a lot has to do with trade books

Tzviya Siegman: a lot has to do with trade books

15:13:50 <karen> ...outside of this world, we may want to get input from the rest of publishing

...outside of this world, we may want to get input from the rest of publishing

15:13:55 <karen> Dave: that would be great

Dave Cramer: that would be great

15:14:02 <karen> ...I have added some stuff that is not trade centric

...I have added some stuff that is not trade centric

15:14:07 <karen> ...writing in HTML not in Google doc

...writing in HTML not in Google doc

15:14:14 <karen> ...seems the discussion with Ivan

...seems the discussion with Ivan

15:14:18 <karen> ...would be good

...would be good

15:14:32 <karen> Markus: Point taken, Tzviya, we need to look at other domains

Markus Gylling: Point taken, Tzviya, we need to look at other domains

15:14:41 <karen> ...not just describing for the West

...not just describing for the West

15:14:56 <karen> ...Ok, Suzanne, how do you describe your current state?

...Ok, Suzanne, how do you describe your current state?

15:15:12 <karen> Suzanne: I am unsure about how to collect names who want to participate and how to set up the calls

Suzanne Taylor: I am unsure about how to collect names who want to participate and how to set up the calls

15:15:21 <karen> ...first time running a W3C task force

...first time running a W3C task force

15:15:32 <karen> Markus: it's up to us to define best way to do things

Markus Gylling: it's up to us to define best way to do things

15:15:38 <karen> ...I would start by the mailing list

...I would start by the mailing list

15:15:45 <karen> ...It has been a bit silent so far

...It has been a bit silent so far

15:15:55 <karen> ...Important to have requirements and use cases going there

...Important to have requirements and use cases going there

15:15:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:16:01 <karen> ...it is automatically archived

...it is automatically archived

15:16:10 <karen> ...so good to get discourse going on the mailing list

...so good to get discourse going on the mailing list

15:16:16 <karen> ...In terms of getting people to help you out

...In terms of getting people to help you out

15:16:22 <karen> ...I have been reaching out to Benetech

...I have been reaching out to Benetech

15:16:28 <karen> ...they recently became a W3C member

...they recently became a W3C member

15:16:35 <karen> ...and they are all about Accessibility

...and they are all about Accessibility

15:16:44 <karen> ...also will get a Daisy Consortium member to participate

...also will get a Daisy Consortium member to participate

15:16:55 <karen> ...And I think we have a w3C member from Protocols and Formats WG

...And I think we have a w3C member from Protocols and Formats WG

15:17:02 <karen> ...to contribute in Accessibility area

...to contribute in Accessibility area

15:17:06 <karen> Suzanne: great

Suzanne Taylor: great

15:17:14 <karen> Markus: Do you have others in mind?

Markus Gylling: Do you have others in mind?

15:17:24 <karen> Suzanne: Would be great to find someone from school systems and universities

Suzanne Taylor: Would be great to find someone from school systems and universities

15:17:32 <karen> ...a lot of what we want to look at has to do with education

...a lot of what we want to look at has to do with education

15:17:34 <karen> ack Bill

ack Bill

15:17:38 <karen> Bill: I have two names

Bill Kasdorf: I have two names

15:17:43 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf

15:17:44 <karen> ...one is Bob Mingo at Georgia State

...one is Bob Martinengo at Georgia State

15:17:48 <karen> ...another is @

...another is @

15:17:57 <mgylling> s/Mingo/Martinengo/
15:18:00 <karen> ...Markus is AAP a member or considering?

...Markus is AAP a member or considering?

15:18:18 <karen> Karen: I'll follow up with you offline

Karen Myers: I'll follow up with you offline

15:18:26 <karen> Bill: university contacts may be good

Bill Kasdorf: university contacts may be good

15:18:29 <karen> Suzanne: thank you

Suzanne Taylor: thank you

15:18:33 <karen> Bill: I am on queue

Bill Kasdorf: I am on queue

15:18:42 <karen> ...mailing list is that it goes to IG members or more broadly?

...mailing list is that it goes to IG members or more broadly?

15:18:49 <karen> Markus: We use the public-dpub-ig list

Markus Gylling: We use the public-dpub-ig list

15:19:24 <karen> Karen: subscribers to public lists can post

Karen Myers: subscribers to public lists can post

15:19:55 <karen> Markus: Bill, we'll need to first look at W3C membership

Markus Gylling: Bill, we'll need to first look at W3C membership

15:20:04 <karen> ...since it takes time to become an IE or Member

...since it takes time to become an IE or Member

15:20:08 <karen> ...So Daisy would be good

...So Daisy would be good

15:20:17 <karen> ...In terms of schools and unversities

...In terms of schools and unversities

15:21:15 <karen> Karen: I'm happy to work with offline Suzanne about current members and identification of other universities doing work in this area

Karen Myers: I'm happy to work with offline Suzanne about current members and identification of other universities doing work in this area

15:21:37 <karen> Bill: Courfe and Vital Source

Bill Kasdorf: CourseSmart and Vital Source

15:21:47 <karen> ...biggest distributors of higher ed books

...biggest distributors of higher ed books

15:21:56 <mgylling> s/Courfe/CourseSmart/
15:22:00 <karen> ...and they have significant Accessibility requirements in their platforms

...and they have significant Accessibility requirements in their platforms

15:22:08 <tzviya> CourseSmart and VitalSource (an Ingram company)

Tzviya Siegman: CourseSmart and VitalSource (an Ingram company)

15:22:30 <karen> Markus: Continue to expand outreach

Markus Gylling: Continue to expand outreach

15:22:36 <karen> Suzanne: thank you

Suzanne Taylor: thank you

15:22:39 <karen> Markus: Jean and STM

Markus Gylling: Jean and STM

15:22:47 <karen> Jean: Right now we have a few actual use cases out there

Jean Kaplansky: Right now we have a few actual use cases out there

15:22:58 <karen> ...and area we need to pick up again

...and area we need to pick up again

15:23:04 <karen> ...I have been doing testing across devices

...I have been doing testing across devices

15:23:11 <karen> ...we're doing a webinar Nov 5th

...we're doing a webinar Nov 5th

15:23:14 <karen> ...it will start up again

...it will start up again

15:23:19 <karen> ...after I finish a bit of consulting

...after I finish a bit of consulting

15:23:26 <karen> ...and put together more information based on testing

...and put together more information based on testing

15:23:28 <karen> Markus: great

Markus Gylling: great

15:23:37 <karen> ...Do you have any thoughts about other stakeholders we should try to engage?

...Do you have any thoughts about other stakeholders we should try to engage?

15:23:42 <karen> Jean: In terms of W3C members

Jean Kaplansky: In terms of W3C members

15:24:03 <karen> ...we might want to reach out to someone at Cengage Learning

...we might want to reach out to someone at Cengage Learning

15:24:07 <karen> +1 Karen in touch

+1 Karen in touch

15:24:11 <karen> ...and they do a lot of..

...and they do a lot of..

15:24:32 <tzviya> Wiley will contribute to STM use cases

Tzviya Siegman: Wiley will contribute to STM use cases

15:24:35 <karen> Jean: have not thought of anybody else

Jean Kaplansky: have not thought of anybody else

15:24:43 <karen> Bill: Springer, Elsevier?

Bill Kasdorf: Springer, Elsevier?

15:24:50 <karen> Jean: Those are good choices as well

Jean Kaplansky: Those are good choices as well

15:24:54 <karen> Bill: they are big enough

Bill Kasdorf: they are big enough

15:25:02 <karen> ...would be good candidates for W3C membership

...would be good candidates for W3C membership

15:25:08 <karen> Jean: Springer and Elsevier are good choices

Jean Kaplansky: Springer and Elsevier are good choices

15:25:14 <karen> ...I will have to get back to you on that

...I will have to get back to you on that

15:25:21 <karen> ...also thinking about at least one university person

...also thinking about at least one university person

15:25:35 <karen> Karen: I am happy to follow up with Jean offline as well

Karen Myers: I am happy to follow up with Jean offline as well

15:25:37 <karen> Markus: Good

Markus Gylling: Good

15:25:46 <karen> ...Jean, it sounds like you have a plan to get going

...Jean, it sounds like you have a plan to get going

15:25:48 <karen> Jean: yes

Jean Kaplansky: yes

15:25:54 <karen> ...heads down on testing and development period

...heads down on testing and development period

15:26:03 <karen> ...then go back to what I'm doing for W3C

...then go back to what I'm doing for W3C

15:26:09 <karen> Markus: The next major question is new task forces

Markus Gylling: The next major question is new task forces

15:26:18 <karen> ...What do we try to start beyond what we already have

...What do we try to start beyond what we already have

15:26:22 <karen> ...Do we have any volunteers

...Do we have any volunteers

15:26:34 <karen> Tzviya: One of areas

Tzviya Siegman: One of areas

15:26:41 <karen> ...listed is InfoGraphics

...listed is InfoGraphics

15:26:50 <karen> ...I think large images become tricky

...I think large images become tricky

15:26:55 <karen> ...dealing with multiple screen sizes

...dealing with multiple screen sizes

15:27:01 <karen> ...may be an area we want to explore

...may be an area we want to explore

15:27:06 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:27:06 <karen> ...Not something I am equipped to head up

...Not something I am equipped to head up

15:27:12 <karen> ...but maybe somebody else is

...but maybe somebody else is

15:27:22 <karen> Markus: What is the abstract description of the problem?

Markus Gylling: What is the abstract description of the problem?

15:27:28 <karen> ...tables are same problem

...tables are same problem

15:27:37 <karen> Tzviya: may be in area of adaptive layout

Tzviya Siegman: may be in area of adaptive layout

15:27:42 <karen> ...especially when they include fine detail

...especially when they include fine detail

15:27:45 <karen> Markus: yes

Markus Gylling: yes

15:27:45 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:27:47 <karen> ...that is one area

...that is one area

15:28:03 <karen> ...We have short exchange about fonts

...We have short exchange about fonts

15:28:08 <karen> ...and maybe starting something about that

...and maybe starting something about that

15:28:12 <karen> ...Is Vlad on the call?

...Is Vlad on the call?

15:28:19 <karen> Vlad: yes, on call, but bad connection

Vladimir Levantovsky: yes, on call, but bad connection

15:28:36 <karen> Markus: Do you think it's a good idea to start a task force around fonts in dpublishing

Markus Gylling: Do you think it's a good idea to start a task force around fonts in dpublishing

15:28:41 <karen> Vlad: I would like to give it more thought

Vladimir Levantovsky: I would like to give it more thought

15:28:56 <karen> ...not about fonts but more about typography as a resource; how people use fonts

...not about fonts but more about typography as a resource; how people use fonts

15:29:04 <karen> ...see if it's worthwhile to create a sub-group

...see if it's worthwhile to create a sub-group

15:29:16 <karen> ...or if it's done another way; good to discuss at TPAC

...or if it's done another way; good to discuss at TPAC

15:29:19 <karen> ...I will be there

...I will be there

15:29:28 <karen> Markus: yes, we need to understand better what you have in mind

Markus Gylling: yes, we need to understand better what you have in mind

15:29:35 <karen> ...We have a placeholder slot for this

...We have a placeholder slot for this

15:29:41 <karen> ...Good to devote some time to this at TPAC

...Good to devote some time to this at TPAC

15:29:45 <karen> Vlad: good, thank you

Vladimir Levantovsky: good, thank you

15:29:48 <karen> Markus: What else?

Markus Gylling: What else?

15:29:57 <karen> Tzviya: We have not approached the topic of metadata at all

Tzviya Siegman: We have not approached the topic of metadata at all

15:30:01 <karen> ...there is a lot of it out there

...there is a lot of it out there

15:30:04 <karen> ...and it's all messed up

...and it's all messed up

15:30:06 <karen> Markus: yes

Markus Gylling: yes

15:30:12 <karen> ...I have talked with Ivan as well

...I have talked with Ivan as well

15:30:16 <karen> ...In terms of addressing

...In terms of addressing

15:30:23 <karen> ...it's an enormously complicated field

...it's an enormously complicated field

15:30:26 <Sharad> q+

Sharad Garg: q+

15:30:45 <karen> ...It's...challenging to have just IDPF and W3C address when there are many solutions out there

...It's...challenging to have just IDPF and W3C address when there are many solutions out there

15:31:00 <karen> ...Tzviya, maybe you have ideas about what to contribute

...Tzviya, maybe you have ideas about what to contribute

15:31:04 <karen> ack Sharad

ack Sharad

15:31:14 <karen> Bill: I would suggest looking at largest architecture issues

Bill Kasdorf: I would suggest looking at largest architecture issues

15:31:20 <karen> ...rather than what does metadata say

...rather than what does metadata say

15:31:20 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:31:26 <karen> ...either other aspects of HTML5 spec

...either other aspects of HTML5 spec

15:31:35 <karen> ...that could be approved and help increase the utility of metadata

...that could be approved and help increase the utility of metadata

15:31:45 <karen> ...it intersects with RDF and microdata

...it intersects with RDF and microdata

15:31:49 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:31:50 <karen> ...that approach I would suggest

...that approach I would suggest

15:32:01 <karen> ...We don't want to get into discussions with ONYX and PRISM

...We don't want to get into discussions with ONYX and PRISM

15:32:02 <mgylling> ack Tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya

15:32:07 <karen> ...should be a higher level than that

...should be a higher level than that

15:32:13 <karen> ack Tzviya

ack Tzviya

15:32:22 <karen> Tzviya: yes, Bill said what I was going to say

Tzviya Siegman: yes, Bill said what I was going to say

15:32:35 <karen> ...more like schema project to figure out how to incorporate with RDF

...more like schema project to figure out how to incorporate with RDF

15:32:43 <karen> ...I know a lot of people who would have fun with this

...I know a lot of people who would have fun with this

15:33:00 <karen> Markus: our mandate so to speak is to identify problems in the Open Web Platform

Markus Gylling: our mandate so to speak is to identify problems in the Open Web Platform

15:33:09 <karen> ...and say what it does not yet address for publishing

...and say what it does not yet address for publishing

15:33:15 <karen> ...is it really a problem here for the OWP

...is it really a problem here for the OWP

15:33:31 <karen> ...is it providing all the building blocks we need to make rich vocabularies

...is it providing all the building blocks we need to make rich vocabularies

15:33:40 <karen> Bill: not prepared to answer; but that may be the anser

Bill Kasdorf: not prepared to answer; but that may be the answer

15:33:46 <karen> s/anser/answer
15:33:55 <karen> Markus: that is a good approach

Markus Gylling: that is a good approach

15:34:00 <karen> ...to find out what the answer is

...to find out what the answer is

15:34:08 <karen> ...Bill, would you be willing to look at it

...Bill, would you be willing to look at it

15:34:15 <karen> ...not nec commit to lead it right away?

...not nec commit to lead it right away?

15:34:17 <karen> Bill: sure

Bill Kasdorf: sure

15:34:25 <karen> Markus: My first suggestion is for you to talk to Ivan

Markus Gylling: My first suggestion is for you to talk to Ivan

15:34:31 <karen> ...who also is SemWeb lead at W3C

...who also is SemWeb lead at W3C

15:34:38 <karen> ...contact him and we can set up an offline discussion

...contact him and we can set up an offline discussion

15:34:40 <karen> Bill: ok

Bill Kasdorf: ok

15:34:43 <karen> Markus: Good

Markus Gylling: Good

15:34:50 <karen> ...Another one I was thinking about

...Another one I was thinking about

15:35:01 <karen> ...and looking at you, Tzviya, about structural semantics

...and looking at you, Tzviya, about structural semantics

15:35:03 <karen> ...Thinking that

...Thinking that

15:35:10 <karen> ...at the moment ePub is extending HTML in various ways

...at the moment ePub is extending HTML in various ways

15:35:20 <karen> ..structural semantics; also name spaces being used

..structural semantics; also name spaces being used

15:35:28 <karen> ...you will know what I'm thinking about

...you will know what I'm thinking about

15:35:35 <karen> ...and that is one of the areas in this activity as a whole

...and that is one of the areas in this activity as a whole

15:35:42 <karen> ...is to understand what these extensions do and why

...is to understand what these extensions do and why

15:35:55 <karen> ...and whether OWP should provide better solutions to enable these extensions

...and whether OWP should provide better solutions to enable these extensions

15:36:12 <karen> ...I am looking for a task force to look at the various extensions being used out there and documenting them

...I am looking for a task force to look at the various extensions being used out there and documenting them

15:36:14 <Bill_Kasdorf> Correction, "Sharad" above should be "Bill"

Bill Kasdorf: Correction, "Sharad" above should be "Bill"

15:36:22 <karen> ...So we have documented extension use cases

...So we have documented extension use cases

15:36:26 <karen> q?

q?

15:36:34 <karen> Markus: Structural semantics is just one

Markus Gylling: Structural semantics is just one

15:36:46 <karen> Tzviya: Examples like data type

Tzviya Siegman: Examples like data type

15:36:52 <karen> Markus; yes and custom name spaces

Markus; yes and custom name spaces

15:37:09 <karen> ...all the kinds of things that various vendors do in slightly different ways

...all the kinds of things that various vendors do in slightly different ways

15:37:20 <karen> ...I am wondering if there is anybody who would be willing to focus on HTML content

...I am wondering if there is anybody who would be willing to focus on HTML content

15:37:26 <karen> ...extensions or adaption

...extensions or adaption

15:37:38 <karen> ...and basically map out use cases for extentions that we have today?

...and basically map out use cases for extentions that we have today?

15:37:48 <karen> Tzviya: I could take a stab at it

Tzviya Siegman: I could take a stab at it

15:37:58 <karen> Markus: Thank you

Markus Gylling: Thank you

15:38:03 <karen> ...Looking at the wiki page

...Looking at the wiki page

15:38:08 <karen> ...you started structural semantics

...you started structural semantics

15:38:13 <karen> ...could you genericize it

...could you genericize it

15:38:20 <karen> ...to include that and also include dictionaries

...to include that and also include dictionaries

15:38:28 <karen> ...along with this

...along with this

15:38:36 <karen> ...don't just limit to structural but also behavioral

...don't just limit to structural but also behavioral

15:38:37 <Hajar> I would like to contribute on  HTML content

Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: I would like to contribute on HTML content

15:38:51 <karen> ...Suggestion for now that we have a new task force with Tzviya's lead

...Suggestion for now that we have a new task force with Tzviya's lead

15:38:54 <karen> ...what should we call it?

...what should we call it?

15:39:10 <JeanKaplansky> q+

Jean Kaplansky: q+

15:39:30 <karen> Markus: use mailing list to comment, ask questions, make announcements so we get more traffic on the list

Markus Gylling: use mailing list to comment, ask questions, make announcements so we get more traffic on the list

15:39:38 <karen> ...Any questions, Tzviya

...Any questions, Tzviya

15:39:49 <karen> Tzviya: I know there are people who interpret algorithms

Tzviya Siegman: I know there are people who interpret algorithms

15:39:54 <karen> ...does this fall into this category

...does this fall into this category

15:40:09 <karen> Markus: Interpret as in what?

Markus Gylling: Interpret as in what?

15:40:24 <karen> Tzviya: A new reference; rendering of book behaves in a certain way

Tzviya Siegman: A new reference; rendering of book behaves in a certain way

15:40:29 <karen> Markus: Heuristics?

Markus Gylling: Heuristics?

15:40:39 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:40:42 <karen> ...no, I don't we think should describe these

...no, I don't we think should describe these

15:40:47 <karen> ...great to see you take this on

...great to see you take this on

15:40:57 <mgylling> ack JeanKaplansky

Markus Gylling: ack JeanKaplansky

15:40:57 <karen> ack Jean

ack Jean

15:41:13 <karen> Jean: I was going to say...we should think of something to call it rather than Extensibility group

Jean Kaplansky: I was going to say...we should think of something to call it rather than Extensibility group

15:41:16 <karen> ...we have been there with XML

...we have been there with XML

15:41:21 <karen> ...and we don't want any confusion

...and we don't want any confusion

15:41:24 <karen> Markus: right

Markus Gylling: right

15:41:28 <karen> ...All of these things are done

...All of these things are done

15:41:34 <karen> ...because they are wanting in a declarative way

...because they are wanting in a declarative way

15:41:38 <karen> ...to indicate behaviors

...to indicate behaviors

15:41:49 <karen> ...the read about attribute to an audio element has a specific behavior

...the read about attribute to an audio element has a specific behavior

15:41:58 <karen> ...maybe call it something with behavioral adaption

...maybe call it something with behavioral adaption

15:42:02 <karen> ...is that what this is about?

...is that what this is about?

15:42:05 <karen> Jean: That makes sense

Jean Kaplansky: That makes sense

15:42:09 <karen> ...we threw out heuristic

...we threw out heuristic

15:42:14 <karen> ...maybe call it behavioral

...maybe call it behavioral

15:42:21 <karen> Markus: Behavioral Adaptional Content

Markus Gylling: Behavioral Adaptional Content

15:42:24 <karen> ...maybe start there

...maybe start there

15:42:27 <mgylling> ack Ruben

Markus Gylling: ack Ruben

15:42:32 <karen> ack Ruben

ack Ruben

15:42:35 <mgylling> q+

Markus Gylling: q+

15:42:38 <mgylling> q-

Markus Gylling: q-

15:42:39 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:42:47 <Sharad> q+

Sharad Garg: q+

15:42:59 <karen> Markus: of the task forces to kick off today

Markus Gylling: of the task forces to kick off today

15:43:06 <karen> ...two new threads have started today

...two new threads have started today

15:43:18 <karen> ...Bill is talking to Ivan about metadata and find an approach to find something there

...Bill is talking to Ivan about metadata and find an approach to find something there

15:43:26 <karen> ...And Tzviya is doing behavioral adpation of content

...And Tzviya is doing behavioral adpation of content

15:43:45 <karen> Markus: we have started agenda page for TPAC

Markus Gylling: we have started agenda page for TPAC

15:43:48 <karen> ...Item 10

...Item 10

15:43:54 <karen> ...agenda email

...agenda email

15:44:03 <karen> ...we are talking and meeting with CSS group and parts of HTML Wg

...we are talking and meeting with CSS group and parts of HTML Wg

15:44:08 <karen> ...If you go onto the agenda page

...If you go onto the agenda page

15:44:14 <karen> ...you will see preliminary meetings

...you will see preliminary meetings

15:44:25 <karen> ...Also hope to have sessions to work on use case and requirements production

...Also hope to have sessions to work on use case and requirements production

15:44:29 <karen> ...We have currently listed five

...We have currently listed five

15:44:34 <karen> ...Not go into deep discussion now

...Not go into deep discussion now

15:44:41 <karen> ...But request to all of you who are participating

...But request to all of you who are participating

15:44:52 <karen> ...and let us know if there is a particular topic you would like to see listed

...and let us know if there is a particular topic you would like to see listed

15:44:58 <karen> ...We decided today we will talk about fonts

...We decided today we will talk about fonts

15:45:02 <karen> ...Vlad will be tehre

...Vlad will be tehre

15:45:05 <karen> s/there

s/there

15:45:13 <karen> ...We are talking about Pagination with CSS WG

...We are talking about Pagination with CSS WG

15:45:19 <karen> ...and work on producing requirements

...and work on producing requirements

15:45:28 <karen> ...your review of agenda topics and requirements is welcome

...your review of agenda topics and requirements is welcome

15:45:31 <karen> ...Any questions

...Any questions

15:45:42 <karen> ack Ruben

ack Ruben

15:45:50 <mgylling> ack Sharad

Markus Gylling: ack Sharad

15:46:01 <karen> Sharad: Should this group worry about anything to do with security or not?

Sharad Garg: Should this group worry about anything to do with security or not?

15:46:06 <karen> Markus: yeah

Markus Gylling: yeah

15:46:10 <karen> ...it is not out of scope

...it is not out of scope

15:46:17 <karen> Sharad: Should we create a group with that?

Sharad Garg: Should we create a group with that?

15:46:21 <karen> Markus: sure

Markus Gylling: sure

15:46:24 <karen> ...that is certainly doable

...that is certainly doable

15:46:27 <dauwhe> q+

Dave Cramer: q+

15:46:33 <karen> ...would you be willing to lead that sub-group?

...would you be willing to lead that sub-group?

15:46:37 <karen> Sharad: yes

Sharad Garg: yes

15:46:45 <karen> Markus: So we are listing a third new effort today

Markus Gylling: So we are listing a third new effort today

15:46:46 <mgylling> ack dauwhe

Markus Gylling: ack dauwhe

15:46:52 <karen> ...on security with lead from Sharad

...on security with lead from Sharad

15:47:00 <karen> Dave: is it content protection type ideas

Dave Cramer: is it content protection type ideas

15:47:06 <karen> ...be in contact with Ivan

...be in contact with Ivan

15:47:13 <karen> ...about what @ is doing and W3C doing with EME

...about what @ is doing and W3C doing with EME

15:47:17 <karen> ...some talk of it that this group

...some talk of it that this group

15:47:25 <karen> ...might be a place to work out relationship between these things

...might be a place to work out relationship between these things

15:47:30 <karen> ...what are needs of publishing industry

...what are needs of publishing industry

15:47:38 <karen> ...with tech that w3C is already or potentially working on

...with tech that w3C is already or potentially working on

15:47:40 <karen> Markus: exactly

Markus Gylling: exactly

15:47:44 <karen> ...A good outcome

...A good outcome

15:47:52 <karen> ...is to describe what DRM means in the case of digital publishing

...is to describe what DRM means in the case of digital publishing

15:47:59 <karen> Dave: yes, there is some confusion about

Dave Cramer: yes, there is some confusion about

15:48:12 <karen> ...technologies that exist around books and as it relates to web platform

...technologies that exist around books and as it relates to web platform

15:48:18 <karen> Markus: exactly

Markus Gylling: exactly

15:48:20 <karen> ...that is right

...that is right

15:48:26 <karen> ...Ruben, are you here?

...Ruben, are you here?

15:48:31 <brady_duga> q+

Brady Duga: q+

15:48:45 <karen> ack Brady

ack Brady

15:48:49 <mgylling> ack brady_duga

Markus Gylling: ack brady_duga

15:48:56 <karen> Brady: I have a question about security for users or for IPR?

Brady Duga: I have a question about security for users or for IPR?

15:49:03 <karen> Markus: for users or publishers?

Markus Gylling: for users or publishers?

15:49:12 <karen> Sharad: If we are to comprehend, we have to look at both

Sharad Garg: If we are to comprehend, we have to look at both

15:49:15 <karen> ...users and publishers

...users and publishers

15:49:20 <karen> ...and sometimes devices as well

...and sometimes devices as well

15:49:29 <karen> ...Maybe goal of sub-group is to see what has been done

...Maybe goal of sub-group is to see what has been done

15:49:35 <karen> ...and if there are limitations for publishers

...and if there are limitations for publishers

15:49:42 <karen> ...or issues for users as well

...or issues for users as well

15:49:44 <karen> ...Makes sense?

...Makes sense?

15:49:53 <karen> Brady: that is a good answer, thank you

Brady Duga: that is a good answer, thank you

15:49:59 <karen> Sharad: I am happy to talk to you

Sharad Garg: I am happy to talk to you

15:50:08 <karen> Markus: We need to move on

Markus Gylling: We need to move on

15:50:13 <mgylling> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0014.html

Markus Gylling: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0014.html

15:50:16 <karen> ...Next agenda item is a request for review of CSS Text

...Next agenda item is a request for review of CSS Text

15:50:19 <karen> ...Posted by Bert Bos

...Posted by Bert Bos

15:50:34 <karen> ...we are hopefully going to be able to produce some comments on this from a publishing perspective

...we are hopefully going to be able to produce some comments on this from a publishing perspective

15:50:42 <karen> ...we have until Nov 7th to produce commentary

...we have until Nov 7th to produce commentary

15:50:53 <karen> ...Do we have anyone here today who would like to take on review of this specification?

...Do we have anyone here today who would like to take on review of this specification?

15:51:01 <karen> ...Somebody reviews and brings up on one of these calls

...Somebody reviews and brings up on one of these calls

15:51:08 <karen> ...So this group can respond as a whole

...So this group can respond as a whole

15:51:13 <karen> Dave: I can probably do that

Dave Cramer: I can probably do that

15:51:19 <karen> Jean: I can contribute to it

Jean Kaplansky: I can contribute to it

15:51:22 <karen> Markus: anybody else

Markus Gylling: anybody else

15:51:27 <karen> @: I will take a look

Brady Duga: I will take a look

15:51:33 <karen> s/@/Brady
15:51:41 <karen> Markus: Dave, Jean and Brady

Markus Gylling: Dave, Jean and Brady

15:51:45 <karen> ...Not too much time left

...Not too much time left

15:51:50 <karen> ...So ask that you complete your review

...So ask that you complete your review

15:51:54 <karen> ...by Monday, 4 November

...by Monday, 4 November

15:52:00 <karen> ...and we'll bring this up the agenda then

...and we'll bring this up the agenda then

15:52:14 <karen> ...for review and we will send to Bert and CSS WG on 5th or 6th

...for review and we will send to Bert and CSS WG on 5th or 6th

15:52:20 <karen> ...Any more questions about Bert and CSS WG?

...Any more questions about Bert and CSS WG?

15:52:22 <karen> ...Great

...Great

15:52:33 <karen> ...Dave Cramer and Pagination

...Dave Cramer and Pagination

15:52:36 <karen> ...You told us before

...You told us before

15:52:49 <karen> ...You continued work in a separate HTML doc not yet publicly available

...You continued work in a separate HTML doc not yet publicly available

15:53:03 <karen> Dave: right, based on conversations with you and Ivan about what authoring process to use

Dave Cramer: right, based on conversations with you and Ivan about what authoring process to use

15:53:10 <karen> Markus: using GitHub is doable

Markus Gylling: using GitHub is doable

15:53:18 <karen> ...one of reasons we are doing wiki is to keep content there

...one of reasons we are doing wiki is to keep content there

15:53:24 <karen> ...we will do a report format later on

...we will do a report format later on

15:53:33 <karen> ...and not have a struggle for contributors

...and not have a struggle for contributors

15:53:49 <karen> ...If we believe use of github and respec will not be a hindrance, certainly fine

...If we believe use of github and respec will not be a hindrance, certainly fine

15:53:59 <karen> Dave: this is a fairly complex document structurally

Dave Cramer: this is a fairly complex document structurally

15:54:08 <karen> ...has numerous code examples, illustrations

...has numerous code examples, illustrations

15:54:11 <karen> ...things like that

...things like that

15:54:13 <mgylling> s/@/Git and ReSpec/
15:54:21 <karen> ...does not seem a natural fit for a wiki environment

...does not seem a natural fit for a wiki environment

15:54:22 <karen> Markus: sure

Markus Gylling: sure

15:54:37 <karen> Dave: I have never been ivolved with this kind of work at W3C so far

Dave Cramer: I have never been ivolved with this kind of work at W3C so far

15:54:42 <karen> ...Ivan suggesting this

...Ivan suggesting this

15:54:57 <karen> ...also not clear how much people are interested to author sections within this document on their own

...also not clear how much people are interested to author sections within this document on their own

15:55:05 <karen> ...or if I do the work to integrate contributions

...or if I do the work to integrate contributions

15:55:07 <karen> ...things like that

...things like that

15:55:18 <karen> Markus: Would this live on w3C Github account?

Markus Gylling: Would this live on w3C Github account?

15:55:21 <karen> Dave: yes, I think so

Dave Cramer: yes, I think so

15:55:26 <karen> Markus: sure

Markus Gylling: sure

15:55:39 <karen> Dave: would need some help from Ivan getting this up and running

Dave Cramer: would need some help from Ivan getting this up and running

15:55:47 <karen> ...and set up an appropriate location

...and set up an appropriate location

15:55:51 <karen> ...for repositories

...for repositories

15:56:01 <karen> Markus: do we have any objections to moving this document to GitHub?

Markus Gylling: do we have any objections to moving this document to GitHub?

15:56:12 <karen> ...I suggest you contact Ivan and you get going

...I suggest you contact Ivan and you get going

15:56:20 <karen> ...This is same approach we will take for the wiki eventually

...This is same approach we will take for the wiki eventually

15:56:28 <karen> ...do that switch at the right point in time

...do that switch at the right point in time

15:56:30 <karen> ...which is not now

...which is not now

15:56:39 <karen> Dave: I'll be the guinea pig for this now

Dave Cramer: I'll be the guinea pig for this now

15:56:48 <karen> Markus: Anything else you want to discuss today?

Markus Gylling: Anything else you want to discuss today?

15:56:54 <karen> Dave: not at the moment

Dave Cramer: not at the moment

15:57:06 <karen> Markus: Suzanne, on Accessibility, anything to bring up today?

Markus Gylling: Suzanne, on Accessibility, anything to bring up today?

15:57:10 <karen> Suzanne: not today

Suzanne Taylor: not today

15:57:15 <karen> ...I am putting some categories up

...I am putting some categories up

15:57:18 <karen> ...and fill in use cases

...and fill in use cases

15:57:30 <karen> ...and hoping it will recruit more people and spart interest

...and hoping it will recruit more people and spart interest

15:57:35 <karen> Markus: sounds like a great plan

Markus Gylling: sounds like a great plan

15:57:40 <karen> ...we have a couple minutes left

...we have a couple minutes left

15:57:46 <karen> ...Has there been any activity on the wiki

...Has there been any activity on the wiki

15:57:59 <karen> Tzviya: I added a use case

Tzviya Siegman: I added a use case

15:58:06 <karen> Markus: what does it say?

Markus Gylling: what does it say?

15:58:19 <karen> Tzviya: table data needs to be legible at different screen sizes

Tzviya Siegman: table data needs to be legible at different screen sizes

15:58:26 <karen> Markus: right, under pagination and styling

Markus Gylling: right, under pagination and styling

15:58:35 <karen> ...this is the spirit of the image problem you mentioned earlier

...this is the spirit of the image problem you mentioned earlier

15:58:40 <karen> Tzviya: exactly

Tzviya Siegman: exactly

15:58:47 <karen> Markus: great

Markus Gylling: great

15:58:54 <karen> Bill: if nothing more...a question

Bill Kasdorf: if nothing more...a question

15:59:05 <karen> ...Am I right that the use cases will not be used for proposed solutions

...Am I right that the use cases will not be used for proposed solutions

15:59:11 <karen> ...describes a problem, right?

...describes a problem, right?

15:59:20 <karen> Markus: correct; we are just describing problems

Markus Gylling: correct; we are just describing problems

15:59:25 <karen> ...not finding solutions

...not finding solutions

15:59:38 <karen> Bill: collapsing rows and columns is in category of a proposed solution?

Bill Kasdorf: collapsing rows and columns is in category of a proposed solution?

15:59:48 <karen> Markus: also case we are only putting time into describing things that are problems

Markus Gylling: also case we are only putting time into describing things that are problems

15:59:57 <karen> ...If we have use cases already covered by OWP

...If we have use cases already covered by OWP

15:59:59 <karen> ...they are out

...they are out

16:00:07 <karen> ...We are not spending time to describe things that are solved

...We are not spending time to describe things that are solved

16:00:14 <karen> ...problem is in the ereader landscape

...problem is in the ereader landscape

16:00:25 <karen> ...whether OWP needs to accommodate tables better

...whether OWP needs to accommodate tables better

16:00:36 <karen> Tzviya: As screens get smaller, I think it's a problem on all platforms

Tzviya Siegman: As screens get smaller, I think it's a problem on all platforms

16:00:43 <karen> ...seeing it more in books than on web pages

...seeing it more in books than on web pages

16:00:59 <karen> Markus: perhaps you can elaborate more on the specifics of the problem

Markus Gylling: perhaps you can elaborate more on the specifics of the problem

16:01:09 <karen> ...so people will understand better than this is seriously annoying

...so people will understand better than this is seriously annoying

16:01:16 <karen> Bill: and broadening the IG

Bill Kasdorf: and broadening the IG

16:01:22 <karen> ...beyond book publishing

...beyond book publishing

16:01:30 <karen> ...journals are commonly online and it's a huge problem

...journals are commonly online and it's a huge problem

16:01:32 <karen> ...for journals

...for journals

16:01:47 <karen> ...people want to look at HTML journal content on various screen sizes so it's not just a book issue

...people want to look at HTML journal content on various screen sizes so it's not just a book issue

16:01:50 <karen> Markus: we are over time

Markus Gylling: we are over time

16:01:54 <karen> ...thank you for today

...thank you for today

16:01:57 <karen> ...Any further comments?

...Any further comments?

16:02:10 <karen> Hajar: I have a question

Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: I have a question

16:02:18 <karen> ...related to HTML5 and JS in epub

...related to HTML5 and JS in epub

16:02:24 <karen> ...have we mentioned this kind of problem

...have we mentioned this kind of problem

16:02:29 <karen> ...or refer to this problem in the IG

...or refer to this problem in the IG

16:02:37 <karen> Markus: if it's an epub problem, it's not for this IG

Markus Gylling: if it's an epub problem, it's not for this IG

16:02:42 <karen> ...if it's HTML5..

...if it's HTML5..

16:02:48 <karen> Hajar: a widget in an ebook?

Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: a widget in an ebook?

16:03:06 <karen> Markus: if it's a problem with W3C technologies or a problem with ePub, not to be discussed here but at IDPF

Markus Gylling: if it's a problem with W3C technologies or a problem with ePub, not to be discussed here but at IDPF

16:03:22 <karen> Hajar: ebooks readers?

Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: ebooks readers?

16:03:29 <karen> ...sometimes...visiblity

...sometimes...visiblity

16:03:33 <Zakim> -Sharad_Garg

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16:03:36 <karen> ...which can be related to W3C?

...which can be related to W3C?

16:03:42 <karen> Markus: then yes, if related to W3C

Markus Gylling: then yes, if related to W3C

16:03:49 <karen> Hajar: I contributed HTML content

Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian: I contributed HTML content

16:03:51 <karen> Markus: great

Markus Gylling: great

16:04:05 <karen> ...Hajar will contribute to Tzviya's effort

...Hajar will contribute to Tzviya's effort

16:04:08 <karen> ...any other questions

...any other questions

16:04:25 <karen> Suzanne: Is the MathML task force going to have a Pearson representative?

Suzanne Taylor: Is the MathML task force going to have a Pearson representative?

16:04:32 <karen> Jean: happy to have all contributors, that would be great

Jean Kaplansky: happy to have all contributors, that would be great

16:04:36 <karen> Markus: Any more questions

Markus Gylling: Any more questions

16:04:40 <karen> ...talk to you again next week

...talk to you again next week

16:04:47 <karen> ...and increasingly on the list as well

...and increasingly on the list as well

16:04:50 <karen> ...thank you everyone

...thank you everyone

16:04:50 <Zakim> -duga

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16:04:52 <Zakim> -mgylling

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16:04:54 <Zakim> -BillKasdorf

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16:04:54 <Zakim> -dauwhe

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16:04:55 <Zakim> -Ruben

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16:04:55 <Zakim> -Tzviya

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16:04:56 <karen> rrsagent, draft minutes

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16:04:56 <Zakim> -Vlad

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16:04:58 <Zakim> -Bert

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16:05:03 <Zakim> Attendees were dauwhe, Ruben, mgylling, Tzviya, duga, Vlad, Karen_Myers, JeanKaplansky, BillKasdorf, Bert, plinss, Suzanne_Taylor, Sharad_Garg

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