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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 03 September 2013

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Sep/0000.html
Seen
Bert Bos, Brady Duga, Frederick Hirsch, George Kerscher, George Walkley, Ivan Herman, Karen Myers, Madi Solomon, Markus Gylling, Peter Linss, Robert Sanderson, Sharad Garg, Thierry Michel, Tzviya Siegman
Guests
Karen Myers
Regrets
George Kerscher, Ivan Herman
Scribe
Robert Sanderson, Karen Myers
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
15:01:02 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-dpub-irc

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15:01:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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15:01:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub

15:01:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM already started

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15:01:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:01:07 <trackbot> Date: 03 September 2013
15:01:07 <fjh> zakim, code?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code?

15:01:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

15:01:28 <azaroth> scribe: azaroth

(Scribe set to Robert Sanderson)

15:01:30 <azaroth> Guest: Karen Myers
15:01:35 <karen> +1

Karen Myers: +1

15:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.650.404.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.404.aaee

15:02:14 <Zakim> + +44.797.077.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.797.077.aaff

15:02:24 <duga> zakim, aaee is duga

Brady Duga: zakim, aaee is duga

15:02:24 <Zakim> +duga; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga; got it

15:02:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:02:32 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:02:33 <karen> zakim, aaff is Madi

Karen Myers: zakim, aaff is Madi

15:02:33 <Zakim> +Madi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Madi; got it

15:02:40 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

15:02:40 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it

15:02:44 <mgylling> scribe: azaroth
15:02:46 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

15:03:12 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:03:26 <mgylling> regrets: George Kerscher, Ivan Herman
15:03:34 <mgylling> Zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: Zakim, who is here?

15:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see +44.787.962.aaaa, +1.505.667.aabb, +46.7.06.02.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +44.787.962.aaaa, +1.505.667.aabb, +46.7.06.02.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga

15:03:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:03:46 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

15:03:56 <azaroth> zakim, aabb is azaroth

zakim, aabb is azaroth

15:03:56 <Zakim> +Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert

15:03:56 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it

15:04:05 <mgylling> Zakim, aaaa is GeorgeWalkley

Markus Gylling: Zakim, aaaa is GeorgeWalkley

15:04:05 <Zakim> +GeorgeWalkley; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GeorgeWalkley; got it

15:04:44 <mgylling> Zakim, aacc is mgylling

Markus Gylling: Zakim, aacc is mgylling

15:04:45 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it

15:04:45 <Zakim> + +1.503.456.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.456.aagg

15:04:58 <mgylling> Zakim, aadd is Tzviya

Markus Gylling: Zakim, aadd is Tzviya

15:04:58 <Zakim> +Tzviya; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya; got it

15:05:04 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?

Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ?

15:05:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, +1.503.456.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, +1.503.456.aagg

15:05:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:05:26 <mgylling> Zakim, aagg is Sharad

Markus Gylling: Zakim, aagg is Sharad

15:05:27 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it

15:05:54 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

15:05:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, Sharad

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, Sharad

15:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:06:12 <tmichel> zakim, P34 is me

Thierry Michel: zakim, P34 is me

15:06:12 <Zakim> sorry, tmichel, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tmichel, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'

15:06:33 <azaroth> Can we have a volunteer at this stage to scribe while we're discussing the annotation use cases?

Can we have a volunteer at this stage to scribe while we're discussing the annotation use cases?

15:06:42 <Zakim> +plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: +plinss

15:06:54 <tmichel> zakim, ??P34 is me

Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P34 is me

15:06:55 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it

15:07:24 <tmichel> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Sep/0000.html
15:07:28 <azaroth> Markus: Agenda is as we expect it.  Reviewing use cases from the wiki as the main activity. Either new or ones becoming accepted.

Markus Gylling: Agenda is as we expect it. Reviewing use cases from the wiki as the main activity. Either new or ones becoming accepted.

15:08:03 <azaroth> ... First about logistics.  Been asked to mention again TPAC again in China in November.  Will be having a work session and also intent to start outreach to other WGs.  If you can attend you should, if you will then you need to register ASAP

... First about logistics. Been asked to mention again TPAC again in China in November. Will be having a work session and also intent to start outreach to other WGs. If you can attend you should, if you will then you need to register ASAP

15:08:16 <azaroth> ... The reason we are pushing is that visas take time to get.

... The reason we are pushing is that visas take time to get.

15:08:32 <azaroth> ... Next, new members. We have George_walkley from Hachette.

... Next, new members. We have George_walkley from Hachette.

15:09:19 <azaroth> GeorgeWalkley: I am the head of digital for Hachette in the UK and commonwealth.  Am responisble for ebooks and other products. SIt on a number of industry standards, chair of UK publishers association digital group that represents most UK publishers.

George Walkley: I am the head of digital for Hachette in the UK and commonwealth. Am responisble for ebooks and other products. SIt on a number of industry standards, chair of UK publishers association digital group that represents most UK publishers.

15:10:03 <azaroth> ... nominated as rep for Hachette globally on this group. Particular areas of interest are interactivity, especially for assessments, and to an extent comics and manga.

... nominated as rep for Hachette globally on this group. Particular areas of interest are interactivity, especially for assessments, and to an extent comics and manga.

15:10:42 <azaroth> Markus:  Thank you GeorgeWalkley.  The other participant from Hachette is ??? from Paris. He said over email that he has a constant issue with this time/day.

Markus Gylling: Thank you GeorgeWalkley. The other participant from Hachette is Pierre from Paris. He said over email that he has a constant issue with this time/day.

15:11:08 <azaroth> GeorgeWalkley:  Will talk with Pierre so hope to represent him when he can't make it

George Walkley: Will talk with Pierre so hope to represent him when he can't make it

15:11:14 <azaroth> s/???/Pierre/
15:11:46 <azaroth> Markus:  Not the only person to have the timing issue, up to 4 or 5 people, so wondering if we should do a poll to find a better slot.

Markus Gylling: Not the only person to have the timing issue, up to 4 or 5 people, so wondering if we should do a poll to find a better slot.

15:12:12 <azaroth> Thierry: Fine to organize a new time if necessary if we can find a better slot, not easy given global distribution

Thierry Michel: Fine to organize a new time if necessary if we can find a better slot, not easy given global distribution

15:12:24 <azaroth> Markus:  Thierry takes care of a new doodle, including existing day and time.

Markus Gylling: Thierry takes care of a new doodle, including existing day and time.

15:12:41 <azaroth> ... Any suggestions for time/day other than this?  Or just looking at new day?

... Any suggestions for time/day other than this? Or just looking at new day?

15:12:49 <azaroth> (tumbleweed)

(tumbleweed)

15:12:54 <tmichel> ACTION thierry to raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one.

Thierry Michel: ACTION thierry to raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one.

15:12:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one. [on Thierry Michel - due 2013-09-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-5 - Raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one. [on Thierry Michel - due 2013-09-10].

15:13:04 <azaroth> Brady: Any time other than this is good, as always on a bus

Brady Duga: Any time other than this is good, as always on a bus

15:13:20 <azaroth> ... 2pm Pacific in IDPF is normally good

... 2pm Pacific in IDPF is normally good

15:13:56 <azaroth> Markus:  Very late in Europe, and have a fair number.  Thierry perhaps we could give an alternate time?

Markus Gylling: Very late in Europe, and have a fair number. Thierry perhaps we could give an alternate time?

15:14:12 <azaroth> fjh: becomes very early in pacific/mountain

Frederick Hirsch: becomes very early in pacific/mountain

15:14:13 <tmichel> any proposal on another slot and day ?

Thierry Michel: any proposal on another slot and day ?

15:14:31 <tmichel> push 2 or three hours ahead ?

Thierry Michel: push 2 or three hours ahead ?

15:14:52 <azaroth> Markus:  Would be better in Pacific, so might get better silicon valley attendance

Markus Gylling: Would be better in Pacific, so might get better silicon valley attendance

15:14:59 <tmichel> later in europe and of course in California

Thierry Michel: later in europe and of course in California

15:15:04 <tmichel> add an option two hours latter

Thierry Michel: add an option two hours latter

15:15:05 <azaroth> ... Thierry please add an option for two hours later and we'll see what preferences are

... Thierry please add an option for two hours later and we'll see what preferences are

15:15:18 <azaroth> Thierry: that means keeping the same day, or try another day?

Thierry Michel: that means keeping the same day, or try another day?

15:15:29 <azaroth> Markus:  This time and 2 hours later, every day, so 10 options

Markus Gylling: This time and 2 hours later, every day, so 10 options

15:15:56 <tmichel> 10 options 2 hours latter and current slot every day ...

Thierry Michel: 10 options 2 hours latter and current slot every day ...

15:15:57 <azaroth> ... Moving on....

... Moving on....

15:16:10 <azaroth> Regrets from a lot of people next week.

Regrets from a lot of people next week.

15:16:41 <azaroth> ... Thierry, can I add multiple regrets, or will it overwrite? There's a meeting with US publishers next week, including myself, so a heads-up that many people will be absent

... Thierry, can I add multiple regrets, or will it overwrite? There's a meeting with US publishers next week, including myself, so a heads-up that many people will be absent

15:16:42 <fjh> regrets for 17 Sept (in two weeks)

Frederick Hirsch: regrets for 17 Sept (in two weeks)

15:16:56 <tmichel> regrets also from Markus next week

Thierry Michel: regrets also from Markus next week

15:17:05 <azaroth> ... I suggest we still hold the meeting, unless it doesn't work for you

... I suggest we still hold the meeting, unless it doesn't work for you

15:17:12 <tmichel> Keep the meeting next week, with Madi chairing

Thierry Michel: Keep the meeting next week, with Madi chairing

15:17:25 <azaroth> Madi: Okay, but nervious as first meeting chaired

Madi Solomon: Okay, but nervious as first meeting chaired

15:17:54 <azaroth> Markus:  How to best funnel requirements from EPUB implementation back to here? How to represent future requests and visions present there

Markus Gylling: How to best funnel requirements from EPUB implementation back to here? How to represent future requests and visions present there

15:18:00 <azaroth> Madi: Have a slide calling for use cases in my presentation

Madi Solomon: Have a slide calling for use cases in my presentation

15:18:08 <azaroth> Markus:  With some luck can also get new members

Markus Gylling: With some luck can also get new members

15:18:34 <azaroth> ... Great, Use cases... in order to recap, the activity is all happening on the wiki. GeorgeWalkley if you don't have a link ...

... Great, Use cases... in order to recap, the activity is all happening on the wiki. GeorgeWalkley if you don't have a link ...

15:18:38 <azaroth> GeorgeWalkley: I have it

George Walkley: I have it

15:19:10 <azaroth> Markus:  We've laid out things to get started to hone in on a few topics. Those are annotation, which Robert Sanderson is heading up, MathML which JeanKaplansky is working on

Markus Gylling: We've laid out things to get started to hone in on a few topics. Those are annotation, which Robert Sanderson is heading up, MathML which JeanKaplansky is working on

15:19:23 <tmichel> refer to http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template

Thierry Michel: refer to http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template

15:19:30 <azaroth> ... those are the two areas with activity.  I've been scouting for requirements for pagination, Have a lead so hope to get going there as well

... those are the two areas with activity. I've been scouting for requirements for pagination, Have a lead so hope to get going there as well

15:19:52 <tmichel> and directory http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory

Thierry Michel: and directory http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory

15:19:54 <azaroth> ... That said and remains true for all of us, if there's a particular domain existing or new that you want to work on, it's very welcome to do that

... That said and remains true for all of us, if there's a particular domain existing or new that you want to work on, it's very welcome to do that

15:20:31 <azaroth> ... There's no prohibitions to working on it, in any state, don't need to seek a blessing. Just putting everything that's added as NEW and will take it through review to get it finalized. Can reject things that are out of scope or insignificant

... There's no prohibitions to working on it, in any state, don't need to seek a blessing. Just putting everything that's added as NEW and will take it through review to get it finalized. Can reject things that are out of scope or insignificant

15:20:44 <azaroth> ... if you have time to spare and expertise, the wiki is your friend.

... if you have time to spare and expertise, the wiki is your friend.

15:21:20 <azaroth> ... Looking at recent changes, I can tell that last week's requests to refine MathML and structural semantics not done yet, but new ones for annotation from Robert

... Looking at recent changes, I can tell that last week's requests to refine MathML and structural semantics not done yet, but new ones for annotation from Robert

15:21:32 <azaroth> ... In order to stick with scheme, my suggestion is that we review the new ones

... In order to stick with scheme, my suggestion is that we review the new ones

15:21:42 <azaroth> ... before we start, a new scribe?

... before we start, a new scribe?

15:21:51 <karen> scribenick: Karen

(Scribe set to Karen Myers)

15:22:05 <karen> Robert: I put up four new use cases

Robert Sanderson: I put up four new use cases

15:22:12 <karen> ...all of which are reasonably straight forward

...all of which are reasonably straight forward

15:22:16 <karen> ...first one is reading position

...first one is reading position

15:22:23 <karen> ...using social reading side of things

...using social reading side of things

15:22:36 <karen> ...there are systems out there that allow you to share where you are in a given publication

...there are systems out there that allow you to share where you are in a given publication

15:22:43 <karen> ...with book club, class, yourself

...with book club, class, yourself

15:22:51 <karen> ...works across multiple devices

...works across multiple devices

15:22:58 <karen> ...so you don't have to rebook mark

...so you don't have to rebook mark

15:23:06 <karen> ...also more inclusive W3C groups

...also more inclusive W3C groups

15:23:41 <karen> Markus: any questions or comments on first one?

Markus Gylling: any questions or comments on first one?

15:24:18 <karen> ...only way to reuse on another device is if you purchase from that vendor

...only way to reuse on another device is if you purchase from that vendor

15:24:26 <karen> ...so this book marking is a critical piece

...so this book marking is a critical piece

15:24:33 <karen> ...to exchange that data between different vendors

...to exchange that data between different vendors

15:24:58 <karen> Robert: second one is highlighting a span of text

Robert Sanderson: second one is highlighting a span of text

15:24:58 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_2

Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_2

15:25:05 <karen> ...user wants to highlight for interest

...user wants to highlight for interest

15:25:15 <karen> ...no annotation, just here is some bit of text that is important

...no annotation, just here is some bit of text that is important

15:25:21 <karen> ...this use case does not say how it is to be done

...this use case does not say how it is to be done

15:25:32 <karen> ...could change background color, make it bold

...could change background color, make it bold

15:25:39 <karen> ...another use case describes an approach

...another use case describes an approach

15:25:49 <karen> ...need a two points in the range to be highlighted

...need a two points in the range to be highlighted

15:25:54 <karen> ...want to be able to share this piece

...want to be able to share this piece

15:25:59 <karen> ...with yourself or group

...with yourself or group

15:26:07 <karen> ...also commonly supported on ebook platforms but again

...also commonly supported on ebook platforms but again

15:26:16 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:26:19 <karen> ...as Markus said, no agreed upon way to share interoperably

...as Markus said, no agreed upon way to share interoperably

15:26:20 <brady_duga> q+

Brady Duga: q+

15:26:23 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

15:26:35 <karen> Tzviya: This might seem obvious

Tzviya Siegman: This might seem obvious

15:26:47 <karen> ...but do we need to spell out that this needs to be saved from use to use?

...but do we need to spell out that this needs to be saved from use to use?

15:26:50 <karen> Robert: that is a good point

Robert Sanderson: that is a good point

15:26:53 <karen> ...I shall add that

...I shall add that

15:27:03 <karen> ...that is a requirement for all the annotation use cases

...that is a requirement for all the annotation use cases

15:27:05 <mgylling> ack brady_duga

Markus Gylling: ack brady_duga

15:27:06 <karen> ...that's a good one

...that's a good one

15:27:14 <karen> Brady: my question is how are @ dynamics shared?

Brady Duga: my question is how are @ dynamics shared?

15:27:28 <karen> ...imagine and export mechanism to export annotations to other devices

...imagine and export mechanism to export annotations to other devices

15:27:33 <karen> ...may be ok one device to another

...may be ok one device to another

15:27:46 <karen> ...but if you are reading same book on two different systems, is there a dynamic problem?

...but if you are reading same book on two different systems, is there a dynamic problem?

15:27:53 <karen> Robert: automatically performed?

Robert Sanderson: automatically performed?

15:28:06 <karen> ...for highlighting maybe you don't want it synched across devices

...for highlighting maybe you don't want it synched across devices

15:28:15 <karen> ...reading position you want to close iPad and read on phone

...reading position you want to close iPad and read on phone

15:28:24 <karen> ...or another tablet and so you would automatically save that position

...or another tablet and so you would automatically save that position

15:28:29 <karen> ...is that what you mean?

...is that what you mean?

15:28:35 <karen> Brady: even highlighting, I can see

Brady Duga: even highlighting, I can see

15:28:53 <karen> ...I want as user to get data I have stored

...I want as user to get data I have stored

15:28:57 <karen> ...that is export mechanism

...that is export mechanism

15:29:01 <karen> ...data I own

...data I own

15:29:12 <karen> ...and I use single player or iBooks

...and I use single player or iBooks

15:29:23 <karen> ...and I want to share my reading system and annotations on different platforms

...and I want to share my reading system and annotations on different platforms

15:29:37 <karen> Robert: I would propose adding an indirection use case

Robert Sanderson: I would propose adding an indirection use case

15:29:45 <karen> ...crosses across social and reading indirection

...crosses across social and reading indirection

15:29:52 <karen> ...to distinguish export and synchronization

...to distinguish export and synchronization

15:30:12 <karen> Markus: that is a very important distinction, thank you Brady

Markus Gylling: that is a very important distinction, thank you Brady

15:30:23 <karen> ...across systems and vendors is a different animal

...across systems and vendors is a different animal

15:30:30 <karen> ...involving APIs and discovery of service providers

...involving APIs and discovery of service providers

15:30:42 <karen> ...don't need to worry about implementations now, but what users want and need

...don't need to worry about implementations now, but what users want and need

15:30:48 <karen> ...queue is empty, please move on

...queue is empty, please move on

15:30:55 <karen> Robert: third new use case is the same as the previous one

Robert Sanderson: third new use case is the same as the previous one

15:31:02 <karen> ...with more than just the highlight

...with more than just the highlight

15:31:13 <karen> ...then there is the comment of what it should do

...then there is the comment of what it should do

15:31:23 <karen> ...HTML or other format; does it require layout or styling assistance

...HTML or other format; does it require layout or styling assistance

15:31:27 <karen> ...questions on that one?

...questions on that one?

15:31:47 <karen> ...Last one is slightly more interesting

...Last one is slightly more interesting

15:31:52 <karen> ...Annotating the text of publication

...Annotating the text of publication

15:32:00 <karen> ...imagine an ebook with images, audio, video

...imagine an ebook with images, audio, video

15:32:09 <karen> ...may even wish to comment on the style sheets if you are a developer

...may even wish to comment on the style sheets if you are a developer

15:32:19 <karen> ...a mark, a bug, that makes it not render on a particular platform

...a mark, a bug, that makes it not render on a particular platform

15:32:31 <karen> ...requirements are that the embedded sources are targeted with annotations

...requirements are that the embedded sources are targeted with annotations

15:32:38 <karen> ...including the ability to solicit resources

...including the ability to solicit resources

15:32:43 <karen> ...may not be @ directly

...may not be @ directly

15:32:52 <karen> ...I put the non-rendered resources in

...I put the non-rendered resources in

15:32:56 <karen> ...to provoke a response

...to provoke a response

15:33:04 <karen> ...not entirely sure that's within scope or useful

...not entirely sure that's within scope or useful

15:33:09 <karen> ...we can certainly look

...we can certainly look

15:33:19 <karen> Markus: that is a discussion to be had

Markus Gylling: that is a discussion to be had

15:33:25 <karen> ...once we move from new into blessed

...once we move from new into blessed

15:33:26 <karen> q+

q+

15:33:34 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:33:36 <mgylling> ack karen

Markus Gylling: ack karen

15:33:39 <azaroth> Scribe: azaroth

(Scribe set to Robert Sanderson)

15:33:51 <azaroth> Karen: Not a technical question but understanding the use case for other content from other industries

Karen Myers: Not a technical question but understanding the use case for other content from other industries

15:34:13 <azaroth> .. Also support the web and tv and know they have an annotation group. Not sure what they're doing but you might want to chat with those folks. Sounds similar

.. Also support the web and tv and know they have an annotation group. Not sure what they're doing but you might want to chat with those folks. Sounds similar

15:34:33 <azaroth> Robert:  Please send details will follow up.

Robert Sanderson: Please send details will follow up.

15:34:35 <mgylling> ack Tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya

15:34:40 <karen> ack Tzviya

Karen Myers: ack Tzviya

15:34:53 <karen> Tzviya: I think being able to annotate Javascript is an excellent idea

Tzviya Siegman: I think being able to annotate Javascript is an excellent idea [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:34:56 <azaroth> Tzviya:  Being able to annotate javascript etc is excellent idea, but a new use case

Tzviya Siegman: Being able to annotate javascript etc is excellent idea, but a new use case

15:34:57 <karen> ...two different use cases

Karen Myers: ...two different use cases

15:34:57 <brady_duga> q+

Brady Duga: q+

15:35:00 <karen> ...different users

Karen Myers: ...different users

15:35:08 <karen> ...one targets developers one users

Karen Myers: ...one targets developers one users

15:35:11 <karen> Robert: yes, good point

Robert Sanderson: yes, good point [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:35:15 <karen> ...I can split that up

Karen Myers: ...I can split that up

15:35:21 <karen> Markus: sounds like good idea to me

Markus Gylling: sounds like good idea to me [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:35:31 <karen> ...easier to split up in the upcoming ranking exercise

Karen Myers: ...easier to split up in the upcoming ranking exercise

15:35:46 <brady_duga> q-

Brady Duga: q-

15:35:47 <karen> ...looking at links

Karen Myers: ...looking at links

15:36:12 <karen> ...at future use cases

Karen Myers: ...at future use cases

15:36:21 <karen> ...how is annotating parts of embedded resources different?

Karen Myers: ...how is annotating parts of embedded resources different?

15:36:34 <karen> Robert: I really like this image...you should change this Javascript

Robert Sanderson: I really like this image...you should change this Javascript [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:36:42 <karen> ...or drawing a rectangular or polygon

Karen Myers: ...or drawing a rectangular or polygon

15:37:00 <karen> ...on an embedded resource rather than entrie resource

Karen Myers: ...on an embedded resource rather than entrie resource

15:37:04 <karen> ...change more code

Karen Myers: ...change more code

15:37:17 <karen> ...way to do embedded resource and describe

Karen Myers: ...way to do embedded resource and describe

15:37:28 <karen> Markus: one thing associated here is annotation of dynamic object

Markus Gylling: one thing associated here is annotation of dynamic object [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:37:32 <karen> ...I know this is one of the issues

Karen Myers: ...I know this is one of the issues

15:37:36 <karen> ...in education for example

Karen Myers: ...in education for example

15:37:45 <karen> ..so the user is basically in a context of half state

Karen Myers: ..so the user is basically in a context of half state

15:37:53 <karen> ...quiz with ten steps

Karen Myers: ...quiz with ten steps

15:38:02 <karen> ...and wants to annotate an object in a particular state

Karen Myers: ...and wants to annotate an object in a particular state

15:38:08 <karen> ...that is a really scary thing of course

Karen Myers: ...that is a really scary thing of course

15:38:12 <karen> ...but comes up from time to time

Karen Myers: ...but comes up from time to time

15:38:16 <karen> ...may be something simpler

Karen Myers: ...may be something simpler

15:38:22 <karen> ...or annotate a state in advance for user

Karen Myers: ...or annotate a state in advance for user

15:38:27 <karen> ...so you get a tip from your teacher

Karen Myers: ...so you get a tip from your teacher

15:38:31 <karen> Robert: open annotation model

Robert Sanderson: open annotation model [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:38:36 <karen> ...we have @ state

Karen Myers: ...we have @ state

15:38:42 <karen> ...state of resource in which I was annotating

Karen Myers: ...state of resource in which I was annotating

15:38:48 <karen> ...at the time I was annotating it

Karen Myers: ...at the time I was annotating it

15:38:54 <karen> ...focused on things that are only cross domain

Karen Myers: ...focused on things that are only cross domain

15:39:02 <karen> ...only two different ways of describing it

Karen Myers: ...only two different ways of describing it

15:39:05 <karen> ...first was at this time

Karen Myers: ...first was at this time

15:39:13 <karen> ...annotated home page on 22 July of 2004

Karen Myers: ...annotated home page on 22 July of 2004

15:39:19 <karen> ...second one is to cover content negotiations

Karen Myers: ...second one is to cover content negotiations

15:39:30 <karen> ...these are the http headers I sent to the resource which I then annotated

Karen Myers: ...these are the http headers I sent to the resource which I then annotated

15:39:34 <karen> ...use cases that you bring up I'm sure

Karen Myers: ...use cases that you bring up I'm sure

15:39:42 <karen> ...we would need additional descriptive mechanisms

Karen Myers: ...we would need additional descriptive mechanisms

15:40:01 <karen> ...to say I rotated the 3D model by 25 degrees and rotated it

Karen Myers: ...to say I rotated the 3D model by 25 degrees and rotated it

15:40:13 <karen> Markus: user agent does not know...asking for API

Markus Gylling: user agent does not know...asking for API [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:40:18 <karen> ...wondering if it would be worth

Karen Myers: ...wondering if it would be worth

15:40:22 <karen> ...unless you already have it

Karen Myers: ...unless you already have it

15:40:25 <karen> ...whether we should add that one

Karen Myers: ...whether we should add that one

15:40:31 <karen> ...it's important to education people

Karen Myers: ...it's important to education people

15:40:39 <karen> Robert: yes, I shall do that and add the advanced use cases

Robert Sanderson: yes, I shall do that and add the advanced use cases [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:40:42 <karen> Markus: beautiful

Markus Gylling: beautiful [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:40:50 <karen> ...thank you a lot Robert for your work so far

Karen Myers: ...thank you a lot Robert for your work so far

15:41:00 <karen> ...apart from this being a good and important set of use cases

Karen Myers: ...apart from this being a good and important set of use cases

15:41:13 <karen> ...is that this set of our collection can serve as a role model for the upcoming areas to work on

Karen Myers: ...is that this set of our collection can serve as a role model for the upcoming areas to work on

15:41:18 <karen> ...good to have something complete soon

Karen Myers: ...good to have something complete soon

15:41:22 <karen> ...and be reading for blessing

Karen Myers: ...and be reading for blessing

15:41:29 <karen> ...then we can use this as a basis to help others

Karen Myers: ...then we can use this as a basis to help others

15:41:34 <karen> Robert: you are welcome

Robert Sanderson: you are welcome [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:41:38 <karen> Markus: Great

Markus Gylling: Great [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:41:45 <karen> Scribenick: Robert
15:42:05 <azaroth> Markus: Moving on, we've had no edits to existing use cases, so nothing to discuss there.

Markus Gylling: Moving on, we've had no edits to existing use cases, so nothing to discuss there.

15:42:36 <azaroth> ... Next agenda is upcoming focus areas and steps.  We decided to start with anno, pagination and mathml, but there's nothing to stop us looking for people to drive activity in other areas

... Next agenda is upcoming focus areas and steps. We decided to start with anno, pagination and mathml, but there's nothing to stop us looking for people to drive activity in other areas

15:42:52 <azaroth> ... I'd like to ask if there are any suggestions or offers from anyone to start working on a new area?

... I'd like to ask if there are any suggestions or offers from anyone to start working on a new area?

15:43:20 <azaroth> Madi:  I'm planning to work to pinpoint key folks in Pearson to fill out use cases, one on the structural html5 use case

Madi Solomon: I'm planning to work to pinpoint key folks in Pearson to fill out use cases, one on the structural html5 use case

15:43:24 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:43:27 <azaroth> ... probably another one regarding accessibility

... probably another one regarding accessibility

15:43:31 <tzviya> I've been doing more research around structural semantics as well

Tzviya Siegman: I've been doing more research around structural semantics as well

15:43:42 <azaroth> ... Would like to get started on one, as there are many

... Would like to get started on one, as there are many

15:43:45 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

15:44:18 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:44:23 <azaroth> Markus:  Soudns great. When it comes to structuring, Tziva has added one requirement on sturcutral semantics on the directory page which talks about ... inflecting additional structural semantics on existing html

Markus Gylling: Soudns great. When it comes to structuring, Tziva has added one requirement on sturcutral semantics on the directory page which talks about ... inflecting additional structural semantics on existing html

15:44:39 <azaroth> ... this is a big area which I expect will generate lots of discussion, where this is needed and why, how to do it best

... this is a big area which I expect will generate lots of discussion, where this is needed and why, how to do it best

15:44:42 <azaroth> ... definitely welcome

... definitely welcome

15:44:49 <mgylling> ack duga

Markus Gylling: ack duga

15:44:53 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:45:01 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

15:45:10 <brady_duga> That was just me dropping in and out - sorry

Brady Duga: That was just me dropping in and out - sorry

15:45:26 <azaroth> Tzviya: Also been doing work with accessibility, hope to have additional use cases. Also structural semantics.

Tzviya Siegman: Also been doing work with accessibility, hope to have additional use cases. Also structural semantics.

15:45:51 <azaroth> Markus: Great.  Other low hanging fruit is indexes from glossaries, dictionaries, etc. Reading systems want to use the data in them.

Markus Gylling: Great. Other low hanging fruit is indexes from glossaries, dictionaries, etc. Reading systems want to use the data in them.

15:46:02 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:46:07 <mgylling> ack duga

Markus Gylling: ack duga

15:47:00 <azaroth> ... At this point unless there's offers to get going?  It doesn't make sense to kick off an area without a lead.  There's a few of us who will have more time after next week, so hope to have more contributions coming in a coule of weeks in order to not lose speed

... At this point unless there's offers to get going? It doesn't make sense to kick off an area without a lead. There's a few of us who will have more time after next week, so hope to have more contributions coming in a coule of weeks in order to not lose speed

15:47:24 <azaroth> ... I think that's basically it for today. any other business items? Comments from anyone?

... I think that's basically it for today. any other business items? Comments from anyone?

15:47:42 <azaroth> ... Okay, good. We thank Robert for scribing and meet again next week.

... Okay, good. We thank Robert for scribing and meet again next week.

15:47:44 <Zakim> -fjh

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15:47:46 <Zakim> -Madi

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15:47:48 <Zakim> -duga

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15:47:51 <Zakim> -GeorgeWalkley

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15:47:51 <Zakim> -azaroth

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15:47:55 <Zakim> -plinss

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15:47:57 <karen> rrsagent, draft minutes

Karen Myers: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:47:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-dpub-minutes.html karen

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15:48:22 <azaroth> karen:  I guess that Markus has to edit the minutes page?

Karen Myers: I guess that Markus has to edit the minutes page?

15:48:27 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

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15:48:29 <Zakim> -mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling

15:48:32 <azaroth> Or does anyone have the rights on it?

Or does anyone have the rights on it?

15:48:58 <azaroth> s/Pierre/Pierre Danet/
15:49:04 <azaroth> Thanks GeorgeWalkley

Thanks GeorgeWalkley

15:49:40 <mgylling> So looking at the output we now know that one cannot add multiple regrets lines.

Markus Gylling: So looking at the output we now know that one cannot add multiple regrets lines.

15:50:09 <mgylling> tmichel, we would need to edit the generated minutes, the regrets got messed up

Markus Gylling: tmichel, we would need to edit the generated minutes, the regrets got messed up

15:50:21 <azaroth> My regrets for next week also, I'm on vacation with my sister who's visiting us from New Zealand

My regrets for next week also, I'm on vacation with my sister who's visiting us from New Zealand

15:50:32 <mgylling> azaroth, ok

Markus Gylling: azaroth, ok

15:51:42 <mgylling> regrets: George Kerscher, Ivan Herman
15:51:49 <mgylling> rrsagent, draft minutes

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15:51:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-dpub-minutes.html mgylling

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15:52:09 <mgylling> nope didn't work

Markus Gylling: nope didn't work

15:52:09 <GeorgeWalkley> quit

George Walkley: quit

15:52:57 <mgylling> tmichel, strike that, fixed now, no action needed

Markus Gylling: tmichel, strike that, fixed now, no action needed

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