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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 August 2013

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Bert Bos, Brady Duga, Frederick Hirsch, George Kerscher, Ivan Herman, Jean Kaplansky (Aptara), Karen Myers (W3C), Madi Solomon, Markus Gylling, Robert Sanderson, Sharad Garg, Thierry Michel, Tom De Nies, Tzviya Siegman (Wiley), Vladimir Levantovsky
Guests
Karen Myers (W3C), Jean Kaplansky (Aptara), Tzviya Siegman (Wiley)
Regrets
Vladimir Levantovsky, George Kerscher, Robert Sanderson
Chair
Markus Gylling
Scribe
Karen Myers (W3C)
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
14:38:40 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/13-dpub-irc

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14:38:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:38:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub

14:38:44 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

14:38:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:38:45 <trackbot> Date: 13 August 2013
<ivan> Guest: Karen (karen) Myers, W3C
14:54:05 <ivan> zakim, room for 20 at 11:00?

(No events recorded for 15 minutes)

Ivan Herman: zakim, room for 20 at 11:00?

14:54:08 <Zakim> ok, ivan; conference Team_(dpub)15:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) at 11:00 for 60 minutes until 1600Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; conference Team_(dpub)15:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) at 11:00 for 60 minutes until 1600Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked

14:55:56 <duga> 3782#  is not a valid passcode, apparently

Brady Duga: 3782# is not a valid passcode, apparently

14:56:09 <ivan> yes, duga, there has been a hiccup today

Ivan Herman: yes, duga, there has been a hiccup today

14:56:22 <ivan> please, use 26631 (CONF1

Ivan Herman: please, use 26631 (CONF1

14:56:34 <duga> OK, thank you!

Brady Duga: OK, thank you!

14:56:39 <ivan> sorry about that

Ivan Herman: sorry about that

14:57:36 <Zakim> Team_(dpub)15:00Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dpub)15:00Z has now started

14:57:43 <Zakim> +mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling

14:57:48 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: PLEASE USE, EXCEPTIONALLY, THE CODE 26631 FOR DIALLING IN TODAY

Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: PLEASE USE, EXCEPTIONALLY, THE CODE 26631 FOR DIALLING IN TODAY

14:58:01 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:58:01 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

14:58:02 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

14:58:08 <Zakim> + +1.650.404.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.404.aaaa

14:58:21 <duga> zakim, aaaa is duga

Brady Duga: zakim, aaaa is duga

14:58:22 <Zakim> +duga; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga; got it

14:58:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:58:47 <karen> zakim, IPcaller is Karen

Karen Myers: zakim, IPcaller is Karen

14:58:48 <Zakim> +Karen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen; got it

14:58:52 <fjh> zakim, code?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code?

14:58:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

14:58:57 <duga> Just so you know, I am on a bus so will have difficulty speaking

Brady Duga: Just so you know, I am on a bus so will have difficulty speaking

14:59:22 <mgylling> duga, okidok

Markus Gylling: duga, okidok

14:59:57 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

15:00:04 <fjh> zakim, ??P7 is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, ??P7 is me

15:00:04 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it

15:00:24 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

15:00:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh

15:00:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro

15:01:31 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky

15:01:39 <mgylling> regrets: Vladimir, George, azaroth
<sandro> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplansky) Kaplansky, Aptara
15:02:04 <karen> Chair: Markus Gylling
15:02:08 <karen> Scribe: Karen Myers

(Scribe set to Karen Myers)

15:02:36 <ivan> scribenick: karen
15:03:34 <Zakim> +Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert

15:04:04 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

15:04:17 <tmichel> zakim says 3782# passcode is not valid !

Thierry Michel: zakim says 3782# passcode is not valid !

15:05:04 <Sharad> passcode is not working

Sharad Garg: passcode is not working

15:05:12 <Zakim> +TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN

15:05:17 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:05:17 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:05:21 <fjh> zakim, code>

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code>

15:05:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code>', fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'code>', fjh

15:05:23 <karen> Passcode for today only has chnaged

Passcode for today only has chnaged

15:05:25 <mgylling> Sharad, use 26631

Markus Gylling: Sharad, use 26631

15:05:27 <fjh> zakim, code?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code?

15:05:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

15:05:35 <tmichel> I have tried at least 1à times I can't get in Zakim with code 3782# "passcode is not valid !"

Thierry Michel: I have tried at least 1à times I can't get in Zakim with code 3782# "passcode is not valid !"

15:05:47 <tmichel> what is the code then ?

Thierry Michel: what is the code then ?

15:06:14 <Zakim> + +1.503.614.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.614.aabb

15:07:00 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:07:11 <tmichel> zakim, ??P25 is me

Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P25 is me

15:07:11 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it

15:07:32 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Sharad

Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Sharad

15:07:32 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it

15:07:44 <tmichel> OK works fine with code 26631 ...

Thierry Michel: OK works fine with code 26631 ...

15:07:48 <mgylling> Zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: Zakim, who is here?

15:07:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN (muted), Sharad, tmichel

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN (muted), Sharad, tmichel

15:07:50 <karen> Ivan: eventually zakim will learn code...

Ivan Herman: eventually zakim will learn code...

15:07:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see TomDN, Bert, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see TomDN, Bert, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro

15:08:06 <karen> ...apologies for the zakim hiccup; there was an administrative problem today

...apologies for the zakim hiccup; there was an administrative problem today

15:08:39 <karen> Markus: Shall we get started?

Markus Gylling: Shall we get started?

15:08:43 <karen> Ivan: yes

Ivan Herman: yes

15:08:56 <karen> Markus: First thing is of course I forgot to put in the agenda the most fun item of all

Markus Gylling: First thing is of course I forgot to put in the agenda the most fun item of all

15:09:02 <karen> ...which is to bless or not last week's minutes

...which is to bless or not last week's minutes

15:09:23 <karen> ...open up floor if there are comments

...open up floor if there are comments

15:09:36 <karen> Ivan: or forever hold your peace

Ivan Herman: or forever hold your peace

15:09:46 <karen> Markus: sounds like there are not objections, so we're done with that

Markus Gylling: sounds like there are not objections, so we're done with that

15:09:56 <Zakim> +Madi

Zakim IRC Bot: +Madi

15:10:03 <karen> ...I thought we could look quickly around to see if we have any new members joining us today

...I thought we could look quickly around to see if we have any new members joining us today

15:10:05 <ivan> For the records, last week's minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-06

Ivan Herman: For the records, last week's minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-06

15:10:09 <karen> Madi: hi everyone

Madi Solomon: hi everyone

15:10:16 <karen> Markus: I see one, Brady Duga from Google

Markus Gylling: I see one, Brady Duga from Google

15:10:22 <karen> ...you may not be able to speak

...you may not be able to speak

15:10:32 <karen> Brady: Say hello, I've been around epub for many, many years

Brady Duga: Say hello, I've been around epub for many, many years

15:10:41 <karen> ...have done liaising with W3C on CSS WG; and I'm on a bus

...have done liaising with W3C on CSS WG; and I'm on a bus

15:10:49 <karen> Markus: welcome, Brady, we are glad to have you

Markus Gylling: welcome, Brady, we are glad to have you

15:11:02 <karen> ...anyone else new who was not here last week?

...anyone else new who was not here last week?

15:11:16 <karen> ...While we are speaking about new members, we could go into this topic right away

...While we are speaking about new members, we could go into this topic right away

15:11:27 <karen> ...please keep an eye open to new members you would like to suggest

...please keep an eye open to new members you would like to suggest

15:11:30 <karen> ...please contact me

...please contact me

15:11:39 <karen> ...Thank you, Jean, for pointing us to Bluefire

...Thank you, Jean, for pointing us to Bluefire

15:11:40 <JeanKaplansky> you're welcome!

Jean Kaplansky: you're welcome!

15:11:42 <karen> ...we are talking to them now

...we are talking to them now

15:11:53 <karen> ...Chairs have done a fair amount of outreach over the past week

...Chairs have done a fair amount of outreach over the past week

15:12:04 <karen> ...Just like we've seen Brady join, we expect to see more folks join

...Just like we've seen Brady join, we expect to see more folks join

15:12:12 <karen> ...in large organizations it takes time

...in large organizations it takes time

15:12:22 <karen> ...Any other questions regarding membership that anyone would like to speak about?

...Any other questions regarding membership that anyone would like to speak about?

15:12:32 <karen> ...Next, a reminder that also email list

...Next, a reminder that also email list

15:12:42 <karen> ...Thierry sent out pointers to the TPAC face-to-face meeting in China

...Thierry sent out pointers to the TPAC face-to-face meeting in China

15:12:52 <karen> ...This group will meet and many other groups in w3C

...This group will meet and many other groups in w3C

15:13:00 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me

15:13:00 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

15:13:04 <TomDN> +q

Tom De Nies: +q

15:13:09 <karen> ...For planning purposes, the W3C is asking everyone to register as soon as possible

...For planning purposes, the W3C is asking everyone to register as soon as possible

15:13:12 <karen> ack TomDN

ack TomDN

15:13:23 <karen> TomDN: yes, I wanted to ask if there is going to be a telephone bridge to dial in?

Tom De Nies: yes, I wanted to ask if there is going to be a telephone bridge to dial in?

15:13:28 <karen> Ivan: to the TPAC meeting?

Ivan Herman: to the TPAC meeting?

15:13:31 <karen> ...we will try to set it up

...we will try to set it up

15:13:40 <karen> ...one thing we cannot change is the time difference

...one thing we cannot change is the time difference

15:13:43 <karen> Markus: right

Markus Gylling: right

15:13:48 <TomDN> zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: zakim, mute me

15:13:48 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:13:55 <karen> ...ok, so anything other regarding logsitics that I missed

...ok, so anything other regarding logsitics that I missed

15:13:56 <karen> q+

q+

15:14:08 <Zakim> + +1.201.748.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.748.aacc

15:14:16 <karen> Markus: speaking of scribing, Karen is doing so today but will not moving forward

Markus Gylling: speaking of scribing, Karen is doing so today but will not moving forward

15:14:27 <karen> ...we should try to identify the scribe in advance of each meeting

...we should try to identify the scribe in advance of each meeting

15:14:35 <karen> ...so here is then an order for all of us

...so here is then an order for all of us

15:14:40 <karen> ...if you are willing to scribe

...if you are willing to scribe

15:14:54 <ivan> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0003.html mail on TPAC registration

Ivan Herman: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0003.html mail on TPAC registration

15:14:59 <karen> ...identify yourself on the email thread, if this does not work, we will select

...identify yourself on the email thread, if this does not work, we will select

15:15:05 <karen> Ivan: who is from 201 ac?

Ivan Herman: who is from 201 ac?

15:15:13 <tmichel> Good to know in advance people who volunteer to scribe

Thierry Michel: Good to know in advance people who volunteer to scribe

15:15:24 <tmichel> by responding to the agenda ...

Thierry Michel: by responding to the agenda ...

15:15:26 <duga> q+

Brady Duga: q+

15:15:27 <karen> zakim, aacc is Tzviya

zakim, aacc is Tzviya

15:15:27 <Zakim> +Tzviya; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya; got it

15:15:35 <karen> Markus: welcome, Tzviya

Markus Gylling: welcome, Tzviya

15:15:40 <ivan> guest: Tzviya (Tzviya) Siegman, Wiley
15:15:54 <karen> Tzviya: I work for Wiley, also work with IDPF, with ePub standards

Tzviya Siegman: I work for Wiley, also work with IDPF, with ePub standards

15:16:15 <karen> @: TPAC says we will meet with other groups

@: TPAC says we will meet with other groups

15:16:27 <karen> Ivan: Two days are Monday and Tuesday

Ivan Herman: Two days are Monday and Tuesday

15:16:36 <karen> ...CSS plans to meet same days; we can plan to meet with them

...CSS plans to meet same days; we can plan to meet with them

15:16:50 <karen> ...and we'll work with Markus and Madi about what other groups

...and we'll work with Markus and Madi about what other groups

15:16:56 <karen> @: so Monday and Tuesday for sure

Brady Duga: so Monday and Tuesday for sure

15:17:11 <karen> Ivan: yes, but there are other groups meeting and you are welcome to stay for whole week

Ivan Herman: yes, but there are other groups meeting and you are welcome to stay for whole week

15:17:13 <ivan> s/@/Brady/
15:17:25 <karen> q+

q+

15:17:33 <tmichel> Everybody is welcome to attend any meeting during TPAC week as guest

Thierry Michel: Everybody is welcome to attend any meeting during TPAC week as guest

15:17:43 <karen> Markus: suggest we go to next agenda items about the use case templates

Markus Gylling: suggest we go to next agenda items about the use case templates

15:17:49 <ivan> ack karen

Ivan Herman: ack karen

15:17:51 <duga> q-

Brady Duga: q-

15:17:54 <ivan> ack duga

Ivan Herman: ack duga

15:18:19 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template

15:18:31 <karen> Karen: emphasize point about need for visas to travel to China

Karen Myers: emphasize point about need for visas to travel to China

15:18:36 <karen> ...and need to get letter of invitation

...and need to get letter of invitation

15:18:45 <karen> Markus: if you can, follow the link on irc

Markus Gylling: if you can, follow the link on irc

15:18:54 <karen> ...or in the email sent out a couple hours ago, go to template page

...or in the email sent out a couple hours ago, go to template page

15:19:04 <karen> ...there are many different aspects to what we need to decide here

...there are many different aspects to what we need to decide here

15:19:12 <karen> ...Assume we'll start out with the wiki for the use caes

...Assume we'll start out with the wiki for the use cases

15:19:17 <karen> s/caes/cases
15:19:29 <karen> ...we can move to something else eventually, but let's start there [with wiki]

...we can move to something else eventually, but let's start there [with wiki]

15:19:36 <karen> ...Before we start talking about details

...Before we start talking about details

15:19:46 <karen> ...Madi and I have prepared this statement for today

...Madi and I have prepared this statement for today

15:19:57 <karen> ...many of you have been through this type of exercize before

...many of you have been through this type of exercize before

15:20:08 <karen> ...likely experienced useful and not so useful approaches

...likely experienced useful and not so useful approaches

15:20:16 <karen> ...we would like to tap into all of your collective experience

...we would like to tap into all of your collective experience

15:20:25 <karen> ...any suggestions on changes to what we have here is more than welcome

...any suggestions on changes to what we have here is more than welcome

15:20:30 <karen> ...this is just an early draft to start

...this is just an early draft to start

15:20:40 <karen> ...So basically, if you look at the template page

...So basically, if you look at the template page

15:20:52 <karen> ...small chunks like this in these fields is what we would be producing

...small chunks like this in these fields is what we would be producing

15:21:02 <karen> ...many of these use cases will be produced; organized in different ways

...many of these use cases will be produced; organized in different ways

15:21:10 <karen> ...this is one approach to the template

...this is one approach to the template

15:21:14 <karen> ...a quite standard approach

...a quite standard approach

15:21:18 <karen> ...there is a use case field

...there is a use case field

15:21:33 <karen> ...that describes some kind of action or sequence of actions that an actor performs

...that describes some kind of action or sequence of actions that an actor performs

15:21:41 <karen> ...Second field is the requirements from the use case

...Second field is the requirements from the use case

15:21:52 <karen> ...We've also been discussion...more interesting

...We've also been discussion...more interesting

15:22:00 <karen> ...the additional fields that should be provided

...the additional fields that should be provided

15:22:06 <karen> ...Suggestion for stakeholder field

...Suggestion for stakeholder field

15:22:12 <karen> ...which requirement this applies to

...which requirement this applies to

15:22:19 <karen> ...is it stakeholder, retailer, etc.

...is it stakeholder, retailer, etc.

15:22:27 <karen> ...could be done in later organization to sort things

...could be done in later organization to sort things

15:22:34 <karen> ...based on stakeholders involved to each case

...based on stakeholders involved to each case

15:22:42 <karen> ...Another possible field is @

...Another possible field is ranking

15:22:49 <karen> ...will be a lot of stuff over the year

...will be a lot of stuff over the year

15:22:58 <karen> ...One of things working groups, once we start approaching them

...One of things working groups, once we start approaching them

15:23:02 <karen> ...is how we rank

...is how we rank

15:23:11 <karen> s/@/ranking
15:23:22 <karen> ...ranking is difficult to do, so would like to get your input from your experience

...ranking is difficult to do, so would like to get your input from your experience

15:23:27 <karen> ...in a way that makes sense

...in a way that makes sense

15:23:43 <karen> ...Next field is relations dependency...to describe how it relates to another use case

...Next field is relations dependency...to describe how it relates to another use case

15:23:47 <karen> ...helps to navigate

...helps to navigate

15:24:00 <karen> ...Finally we have the field for mentioning which groups we believe to be involved in which use cases

...Finally we have the field for mentioning which groups we believe to be involved in which use cases

15:24:04 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:24:07 <karen> ...Sometimes we know, other times we do not

...Sometimes we know, other times we do not

15:24:13 <karen> ...good to see which activity is involved

...good to see which activity is involved

15:24:18 <karen> ...So those are the starting point fields

...So those are the starting point fields

15:24:27 <karen> ...There are two examples below to describe how we could look

...There are two examples below to describe how we could look

15:24:40 <karen> ...Look at completely ad hoc examples, not intended to be real

...Look at completely ad hoc examples, not intended to be real

15:24:46 <karen> ...Stakeholders field is enumerated

...Stakeholders field is enumerated

15:24:57 <karen> ...ranking field is left out since we don't know how to do that

...ranking field is left out since we don't know how to do that

15:25:04 <karen> ...That is a quick 101 on the starting template

...That is a quick 101 on the starting template

15:25:16 <karen> ...I would like to open the floor for all of you to tell us what you think

...I would like to open the floor for all of you to tell us what you think

15:25:25 <karen> ...what you like, not, what we should do differently

...what you like, not, what we should do differently

15:25:26 <karen> ack Ivan

ack Ivan

15:25:32 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:25:39 <karen> Ivan: For those who are new, put yourselves on queue

Ivan Herman: For those who are new, put yourselves on queue

15:25:48 <karen> ack Ivan

ack Ivan

15:26:00 <karen> Ivan: what I miss is something which tells me that this use case is here

Ivan Herman: what I miss is something which tells me that this use case is here

15:26:12 <karen> ...because these are the technical problems with the current W3C specifications

...because these are the technical problems with the current W3C specifications

15:26:20 <karen> ...these are the features I need to do that and I don't have them

...these are the features I need to do that and I don't have them

15:26:32 <karen> ...we certainly do not want use cases that cannot be solved without current recommendations

...we certainly do not want use cases that cannot be solved without current recommendations

15:26:35 <karen> Markus: exactly

Markus Gylling: exactly

15:26:41 <karen> ...we won't be adding anything if it's not a problem

...we won't be adding anything if it's not a problem

15:26:45 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:26:46 <JeanKaplansky> q+

Jean Kaplansky: q+

15:26:55 <karen> Ivan: later when we have several of those we can group the various entries

Ivan Herman: later when we have several of those we can group the various entries

15:27:10 <karen> ...according to problem areas and regroup certain areas and hand over to CSS for example

...according to problem areas and regroup certain areas and hand over to CSS for example

15:27:13 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:27:20 <karen> ...could be 3-4 use cases for example that testify to those

...could be 3-4 use cases for example that testify to those

15:27:28 <karen> Markus: the field you would like to see, how would it look?

Markus Gylling: the field you would like to see, how would it look?

15:27:37 <karen> Ivan: if it's more granular than W3C groups

Ivan Herman: if it's more granular than W3C groups

15:27:42 <karen> ...the technical feature that you ened

...the technical feature that you ened

15:27:45 <karen> s/need

s/need

15:27:51 <karen> ...we don't know in detail, but we need something

...we don't know in detail, but we need something

15:27:57 <karen> Markus: ok, make sure I understand

Markus Gylling: ok, make sure I understand

15:28:06 <karen> ...Looking at examples and requirements listing

...Looking at examples and requirements listing

15:28:12 <karen> ...those are feature descriptions to me

...those are feature descriptions to me

15:28:15 <karen> Ivan: ok

Ivan Herman: ok

15:28:27 <karen> ...I see what you mean

...I see what you mean

15:28:41 <karen> ...Ok, so we should try to be as specific as possible

...Ok, so we should try to be as specific as possible

15:28:47 <karen> ...to make the later work easier

...to make the later work easier

15:28:52 <karen> ...you are right, requirement is there

...you are right, requirement is there

15:28:56 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:29:01 <karen> ...we should avoid to give a very high-level requirement

...we should avoid to give a very high-level requirement

15:29:05 <karen> ack JeanKaplansky

ack JeanKaplansky

15:29:13 <karen> JeanKaplansky: I will be quick

Jean Kaplansky: I will be quick

15:29:29 <karen> ...for people who are invited guests, how do you want to proceed if we have one to offer?

...for people who are invited guests, how do you want to proceed if we have one to offer?

15:29:36 <karen> ...do we do by proxy, or send themselves?

...do we do by proxy, or send themselves?

15:29:42 <karen> ...I don't have access to the wiki

...I don't have access to the wiki

15:29:44 <karen> q+

q+

15:29:47 <karen> Markus: Ivan?

Markus Gylling: Ivan?

15:29:56 <ivan> ack karen

Ivan Herman: ack karen

15:30:33 <karen> Karen: best to send to mailing list for now

Karen Myers: best to send to mailing list for now

15:30:47 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:30:48 <karen> ...two ways to participate are as member or Invited Expert (IE)

...two ways to participate are as member or Invited Expert (IE)

15:31:02 <karen> ...we'll be happy to discuss with anyone in either situation offline

...we'll be happy to discuss with anyone in either situation offline

15:31:19 <karen> Markus: If we get a big corpus, we'll likely move to a data table since wiki will be messy

Markus Gylling: If we get a big corpus, we'll likely move to a data table since wiki will be messy

15:31:34 <karen> ...point you are raising about making it easier...we want to filter by W3C area

...point you are raising about making it easier...we want to filter by W3C area

15:31:37 <karen> ...WG by specification

...WG by specification

15:31:41 <karen> ...agree that the current field

...agree that the current field

15:31:45 <karen> ...where we list something

...where we list something

15:31:48 <karen> ...is not ideal

...is not ideal

15:31:53 <karen> ...better to be more specific

...better to be more specific

15:32:12 <karen> ...For each of these examples there are two reuirements that spawn from use cases; but no way to tell which applies to which WG below

...For each of these examples there are two reuirements that spawn from use cases; but no way to tell which applies to which WG below

15:32:12 <ivan_> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:32:12 <Zakim> ok, ivan_; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan_; the call is being made

15:32:14 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:32:19 <karen> ...so that is one thing we can solve

...so that is one thing we can solve

15:32:22 <karen> ...many ways to do that

...many ways to do that

15:32:30 <karen> ...Are there any other comments, thoughts or reactions on this?

...Are there any other comments, thoughts or reactions on this?

15:32:46 <TomDN> q+

Tom De Nies: q+

15:32:48 <karen> ...Does it look reasonable to you?  Other experiences that you have had?

...Does it look reasonable to you? Other experiences that you have had?

15:32:53 <karen> ...All open to making changes now

...All open to making changes now

15:32:55 <karen> ack TomDN

ack TomDN

15:33:04 <karen> TomDN: keeping list of use cases easy to go through

Tom De Nies: keeping list of use cases easy to go through

15:33:12 <karen> ...would it be good to have a set number of fields

...would it be good to have a set number of fields

15:33:14 <karen> ...that we can enter

...that we can enter

15:33:21 <karen> ...For example, looking at publishers and accessibility

...For example, looking at publishers and accessibility

15:33:27 <karen> ...could we keep a list of those values

...could we keep a list of those values

15:33:33 <karen> ...and [cannot hear]

...and avoid near duplicates

15:33:44 <karen> Markus: agree; stakeholders field

Markus Gylling: agree; stakeholders field

15:33:50 <karen> ...also pointer to relevant W3C activity

...also pointer to relevant W3C activity

15:33:58 <karen> ...So yes, that is a good point; we should do that

...So yes, that is a good point; we should do that

15:33:59 <TomDN> s/[cannot hear]/avoid near duplicates/
15:34:08 <karen> Ivan: it's simple because we can refer to W3C WG that is relevant

Ivan Herman: it's simple because we can refer to W3C WG that is relevant

15:34:27 <karen> Markus: when it comes to stakeholders, we could evolve for a while but would need to maintain a list

Markus Gylling: when it comes to stakeholders, we could evolve for a while but would need to maintain a list

15:34:31 <karen> ...publishers-all

...publishers-all

15:34:41 <karen> ...there are certain things of interest to digital publishers

...there are certain things of interest to digital publishers

15:34:56 <karen> ...science publishers have different wishes, so specify that somewhere

...science publishers have different wishes, so specify that somewhere

15:35:08 <karen> ...as we get use cases that pertain to a specific group

...as we get use cases that pertain to a specific group

15:35:19 <TomDN> zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: zakim, mute me

15:35:19 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:35:23 <karen> ...Any other thoughts or comments?

...Any other thoughts or comments?

15:35:42 <karen> ...Again, in my experience, and we'll be talking next about the taxonomy, the higher level organizatoin

...Again, in my experience, and we'll be talking next about the taxonomy, the higher level organizatoin

15:35:55 <karen> ...not so critical to get right; that can change over time with multiple views of same data

...not so critical to get right; that can change over time with multiple views of same data

15:36:06 <karen> ...but it will be painful to change if we get this wrong

...but it will be painful to change if we get this wrong

15:36:13 <karen> ...Good to settle the format for the use cases

...Good to settle the format for the use cases

15:36:21 <karen> ...How do we want to proceed?

...How do we want to proceed?

15:36:28 <karen> ...Madi, any reactions?

...Madi, any reactions?

15:36:34 <karen> Madi: this whole wiki is new to me

Madi Solomon: this whole wiki is new to me

15:36:39 <karen> ...so not at this times

...so not at this times

15:36:55 <karen> Markus: to start generating we could declare a two-week period of trial

Markus Gylling: to start generating we could declare a two-week period of trial

15:36:59 <karen> ...where we test the usage

...where we test the usage

15:37:05 <karen> ...and after that we can do a review

...and after that we can do a review

15:37:10 <karen> ...and make any changes needed

...and make any changes needed

15:37:21 <karen> ...Not too far off from now, I would like to nail down the sytax

...Not too far off from now, I would like to nail down the sytax

15:37:29 <karen> ...but worthwhile to try it out for a while first

...but worthwhile to try it out for a while first

15:37:41 <karen> ...So unless there are more comments, suggestion is that we will use this layout for two weeks

...So unless there are more comments, suggestion is that we will use this layout for two weeks

15:37:48 <karen> ...depending upon how much progress we make

...depending upon how much progress we make

15:37:50 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:37:54 <karen> ...and return to call two weeks from now

...and return to call two weeks from now

15:37:59 <karen> ...How does that sound?

...How does that sound?

15:38:02 <karen> ack Ivan

ack Ivan

15:38:08 <karen> Ivan: very practical advice

Ivan Herman: very practical advice

15:38:24 <madi> q+

Madi Solomon: q+

15:38:30 <karen> ...because we don't have yet everybody on this call, it's probably worth sending a separate email to everyone on the mailing list

...because we don't have yet everybody on this call, it's probably worth sending a separate email to everyone on the mailing list

15:38:37 <TomDN> Zakim, who is noisy?

Tom De Nies: Zakim, who is noisy?

15:38:41 <karen> ...and maybe even do a small blog on the activity blog

...and maybe even do a small blog on the activity blog

15:38:48 <karen> Markus: to the structure of the use cases?

Markus Gylling: to the structure of the use cases?

15:38:49 <Zakim> TomDN, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (79%)

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (79%)

15:38:59 <tmichel> maybe we can have a summary in the minutes email and request for tests cases ...

Thierry Michel: maybe we can have a summary in the minutes email and request for tests cases ...

15:39:01 <karen> Ivan: the fact that they are there and people should begin to post use cases

Ivan Herman: the fact that they are there and people should begin to post use cases

15:39:15 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

15:39:15 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

15:39:25 <karen> Markus: So before we move on, the ranking field, arguably the most tricky one

Markus Gylling: So before we move on, the ranking field, arguably the most tricky one

15:39:38 <karen> ...use cases are irrelevant for some, and 'to die for' for others

...use cases are irrelevant for some, and 'to die for' for others

15:39:45 <karen> ...how do we do it? Try at all or not?

...how do we do it? Try at all or not?

15:40:02 <karen> ...It appears that this might be a separate thing all together

...It appears that this might be a separate thing all together

15:40:10 <karen> ...The importance ranking might be better to do later on

...The importance ranking might be better to do later on

15:40:14 <karen> ...ask stakeholders to rank

...ask stakeholders to rank

15:40:26 <karen> ...that could be one approach to rank after the use cases are there

...that could be one approach to rank after the use cases are there

15:40:31 <ivan> +1 to postpone

Ivan Herman: +1 to postpone

15:40:33 <karen> ...could be post-ponted to later stage

...could be post-ponted to later stage

15:40:34 <tmichel> In the additional info field, we could have links to other technologies dealing with this use case

Thierry Michel: In the additional info field, we could have links to other technologies dealing with this use case

15:40:35 <karen> ...not sure

...not sure

15:40:39 <karen> ...other suggestions?

...other suggestions?

15:41:06 <karen> @: I think post-poning prioritization is ok, but I've learned that timelines and prioritization are related

Tzviya Siegman: I think post-poning prioritization is ok, but I've learned that timelines and prioritization are related

15:41:06 <TomDN> +1 sounds better indeed (no one will rank their own use case as low-priority ;-) )

Tom De Nies: +1 sounds better indeed (no one will rank their own use case as low-priority ;-) )

15:41:15 <karen> ...can it be implemented in six or twelve months

...can it be implemented in six or twelve months

15:41:19 <karen> Markus: yes, we'll see

Markus Gylling: yes, we'll see

15:41:24 <karen> Madi: I agree with what was just said

Madi Solomon: I agree with what was just said

15:41:30 <karen> ...we also need to flesh this out

...we also need to flesh this out

15:41:37 <karen> ...ranking is one of this group's biggest deliverables

...ranking is one of this group's biggest deliverables

15:41:38 <ivan> s/@/Tzviya/
15:41:43 <karen> ...we need to prioritize some of the work teams

...we need to prioritize some of the work teams

15:41:54 <karen> ...and flesh out who has voting rights

...and flesh out who has voting rights

15:42:00 <karen> ...So I vote for separating it

...So I vote for separating it

15:42:11 <karen> ...if we finalize on it; who will be ranking

...if we finalize on it; who will be ranking

15:42:22 <karen> ...and we report where that particular use case or specification

...and we report where that particular use case or specification

15:42:27 <karen> ...however we want to do it

...however we want to do it

15:42:31 <karen> Markus: right

Markus Gylling: right

15:42:51 <karen> ...so it sounds like we have agreement to post-pone and not have ranking in the use case now but do it at a later stage

...so it sounds like we have agreement to post-pone and not have ranking in the use case now but do it at a later stage

15:42:56 <karen> ...do it when we sort out other things

...do it when we sort out other things

15:43:04 <tmichel> have the ranking latter when we have a list of use cases

Thierry Michel: have the ranking latter when we have a list of use cases

15:43:04 <karen> ...That is good; one field less to worry about

...That is good; one field less to worry about

15:43:08 <karen> ...To get started then

...To get started then

15:43:28 <karen> ...An area where we enumerate stakeholder field; anything else?

...An area where we enumerate stakeholder field; anything else?

15:43:33 <karen> ...I guess that's it

...I guess that's it

15:43:36 <karen> ...All right

...All right

15:43:55 <karen> ...unless there are more comments on the use case template, let's move on to the taxonomy

...unless there are more comments on the use case template, let's move on to the taxonomy

15:43:58 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Categories

Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Categories

15:44:03 <karen> ...URL is here

...URL is here

15:44:07 <karen> ...thanks, Thierry

...thanks, Thierry

15:44:26 <karen> ...Again, my personal view is getting the individual structure of use case right is much more important now

...Again, my personal view is getting the individual structure of use case right is much more important now

15:44:39 <karen> ...we can have multiple views of same data, but we need one place to start

...we can have multiple views of same data, but we need one place to start

15:44:47 <karen> ...we could actually use the categories as a table of contents

...we could actually use the categories as a table of contents

15:44:52 <karen> ...at least one categorical view

...at least one categorical view

15:45:10 <karen> ...not just be a wiki page with headings; as we add use cases we would add under the headings here

...not just be a wiki page with headings; as we add use cases we would add under the headings here

15:45:28 <karen> ...The purpose here is to have...somebody comes along with new problem area

...The purpose here is to have...somebody comes along with new problem area

15:45:36 <karen> ...we have not thought of; so it's no problem

...we have not thought of; so it's no problem

15:45:43 <karen> ...if we have to reorganize, it's no problem

...if we have to reorganize, it's no problem

15:45:43 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:45:49 <karen> ...in order to help us

...in order to help us

15:45:54 <karen> ...also to see where we are making progress

...also to see where we are making progress

15:46:02 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:46:04 <karen> ...why suggestion here is to use the overarching taxonomy

...why suggestion here is to use the overarching taxonomy

15:46:16 <karen> ...these are basically top level, where there are things very likely to be added

...these are basically top level, where there are things very likely to be added

15:46:26 <karen> ...so it's quite a straight-forward approach

...so it's quite a straight-forward approach

15:46:40 <karen> ...we have added demos for first entries to see how it can be expanded downwards

...we have added demos for first entries to see how it can be expanded downwards

15:46:45 <karen> ...We don't have to enumerate now

...We don't have to enumerate now

15:46:48 <karen> ...See as we go along

...See as we go along

15:47:01 <karen> ...This should be our starting point in the wiki

...This should be our starting point in the wiki

15:47:06 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:47:15 <karen> ...Use cases will be listed here; way to navigate the corpus and see how we are making progress

...Use cases will be listed here; way to navigate the corpus and see how we are making progress

15:47:18 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:47:20 <karen> ...Any thoughts, suggestions or comments?

...Any thoughts, suggestions or comments?

15:47:36 <ivan> zakim, unmute

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute

15:47:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', ivan

15:47:48 <karen> ack Madi

ack Madi

15:47:59 <karen> Madi: actually, it was earlier in conversation

Madi Solomon: actually, it was earlier in conversation

15:48:09 <karen> ...Now, as a taxonomist, looking at this

...Now, as a taxonomist, looking at this

15:48:19 <karen> ...the domain specific content types might be a problem

...the domain specific content types might be a problem

15:48:30 <karen> ...each one of those will have dependencies in layout, accessibility

...each one of those will have dependencies in layout, accessibility

15:48:41 <karen> ...how to keep this hierarchical and multiple links to different categories

...how to keep this hierarchical and multiple links to different categories

15:48:46 <karen> ...might be a problem

...might be a problem

15:48:54 <karen> Markus: yeah, I agree; not sure how to do that

Markus Gylling: yeah, I agree; not sure how to do that

15:48:58 <karen> Madi: give it some thought

Madi Solomon: give it some thought

15:49:04 <karen> Markus: one individual use case

Markus Gylling: one individual use case

15:49:14 <karen> ...say metadata and infographics

...say metadata and infographics

15:49:19 <karen> ...link to it twice here

...link to it twice here

15:49:29 <karen> ...can do in wiki as opposed to dataformat

...can do in wiki as opposed to dataformat

15:49:36 <karen> ...keep it up to date in the short term

...keep it up to date in the short term

15:49:49 <karen> ...content types need to be different

...content types need to be different

15:49:56 <karen> ...so any suggestions on how to organize that are welcome

...so any suggestions on how to organize that are welcome

15:49:58 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:50:01 <karen> ack Ivan

ack Ivan

15:50:03 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:50:29 <karen> Ivan: First to react to what Madi said, to have same entry appearing under different headings here seems to be perfectly fine

Ivan Herman: First to react to what Madi said, to have same entry appearing under different headings here seems to be perfectly fine

15:50:41 <karen> ...not as strict...more a categorization of different aspects

...not as strict...more a categorization of different aspects

15:50:54 <karen> ...I think that will be fine to handle problem she [Madi] was referring to

...I think that will be fine to handle problem she [Madi] was referring to

15:51:10 <karen> ...original reason I was on queue was to ask where we put interaction

...original reason I was on queue was to ask where we put interaction

15:51:17 <karen> ...relevant for children's books or educational material

...relevant for children's books or educational material

15:51:32 <karen> ...now with existance of Java Script, SVG, ePub3 opens up for this

...now with existance of Java Script, SVG, ePub3 opens up for this

15:51:37 <karen> ...I don't see where this fits

...I don't see where this fits

15:51:45 <karen> ...Interaction for me is a top level category

...Interaction for me is a top level category

15:51:49 <karen> Markus: yes, probably you are right

Markus Gylling: yes, probably you are right

15:51:56 <karen> ...I think we should add that

...I think we should add that

15:52:06 <karen> ...I was thinking we have the assessments for example

...I was thinking we have the assessments for example

15:52:13 <karen> ...We could add more specific one

...We could add more specific one

15:52:27 <karen> ...Scientific interaction need is different from children's books

...Scientific interaction need is different from children's books

15:52:37 <karen> Ivan; yes, it comes back to what Madi said

Ivan; yes, it comes back to what Madi said

15:52:44 <karen> ...several entries will fit in to several categories

...several entries will fit in to several categories

15:52:56 <karen> ...internationalization or accessibility will have overlaps as well

...internationalization or accessibility will have overlaps as well

15:53:03 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:53:06 <karen> Markus: so refresh page and you will see Interaction field

Markus Gylling: so refresh page and you will see Interaction field

15:53:18 <karen> ...Good, to summarize then

...Good, to summarize then

15:53:27 <karen> ...we have  trial period for the use case structure

...we have trial period for the use case structure

15:53:34 <karen> ...We have this page which we will probably rename

...We have this page which we will probably rename

15:53:44 <karen> ...entry page for the whole wiki where we link the use casees

...entry page for the whole wiki where we link the use casees

15:53:55 <karen> ...anybody who adds use cases must add it also to the mailing list

...anybody who adds use cases must add it also to the mailing list

15:53:59 <karen> Ivan: absolutely

Ivan Herman: absolutely

15:54:08 <karen> Markus: adding to mailing list is also required

Markus Gylling: adding to mailing list is also required

15:54:16 <karen> ...any remaining questions or comments

...any remaining questions or comments

15:54:19 <karen> Thierry: one detail

Thierry Michel: one detail

15:54:35 <karen> ...for @...would it be good to have name of author who is entering the use case?

...for @...would it be good to have name of author who is entering the use case?

15:54:41 <karen> ...we could ask person for clarification?

...we could ask person for clarification?

15:54:45 <karen> Markus: added by, yes

Markus Gylling: added by, yes

15:54:49 <karen> ...that could be good

...that could be good

15:55:03 <karen> ...what is the proper English term?

...what is the proper English term?

15:55:10 <karen> ...submitted by?

...submitted by?

15:55:15 <karen> Ivan: that works for me

Ivan Herman: that works for me

15:55:32 <karen> Markus: Final agenda item

Markus Gylling: Final agenda item

15:55:40 <karen> Thierry: don't we also need a date/

?T?h?i?e?r?r?y?:? ?d?o?n?'?t? ?w?e? ?a?l?s?o? ?n?e?e?d? ?a? ?d?a?t?e?/?

15:55:47 <karen> s//?
15:55:55 <karen> ...if you want to know new and former use cases

...if you want to know new and former use cases

15:56:08 <karen> ...has it been reviewed or not; is it a new draft; has it been discussed by the group

...has it been reviewed or not; is it a new draft; has it been discussed by the group

15:56:14 <karen> ...there will be a workflow for agreement for that

...there will be a workflow for agreement for that

15:56:18 <karen> ...we can have that later

...we can have that later

15:56:27 <karen> ...But sooner the better because people will fill it in

...But sooner the better because people will fill it in

15:56:36 <karen> Markus: try to stick with submitted by and dates

Markus Gylling: try to stick with submitted by and dates

15:56:42 <karen> ...very annoying to do all the down

...very annoying to do all the down

15:56:45 <karen> ...becomes stale

...becomes stale

15:56:49 <karen> ...when I tried dit

...when I tried dit

15:56:56 <karen> ...In terms of status that is a good point

...In terms of status that is a good point

15:57:08 <karen> ...What is the formal process?  Will the IG formally bless the case?

...What is the formal process? Will the IG formally bless the case?

15:57:16 <karen> Ivan: up to us how we organize ourselves

Ivan Herman: up to us how we organize ourselves

15:57:28 <karen> Markus: sounds like we should go through the use cases on each call

Markus Gylling: sounds like we should go through the use cases on each call

15:57:34 <karen> ...List will also be part of the discussion

...List will also be part of the discussion

15:57:45 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:57:45 <karen> ...but show that we are standing behind something as a group is a good thing

...but show that we are standing behind something as a group is a good thing

15:57:48 <karen> ...So a status field

...So a status field

15:57:53 <karen> Thierry: what I tried to mention

Thierry Michel: what I tried to mention

15:58:00 <karen> ...this use case we discussed enough; not reopen it

...this use case we discussed enough; not reopen it

15:58:12 <karen> ...but at some point you want to nail down an issue an move on to another one

...but at some point you want to nail down an issue an move on to another one

15:58:24 <karen> ...so status like discussed or agreed would be helpful

...so status like discussed or agreed would be helpful

15:58:39 <karen> Markus: Something like status...under discussion; on-going; accepted

Markus Gylling: Something like status...under discussion; on-going; accepted

15:58:47 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:58:50 <karen> Ivan: accepted...Also a very practical thing

Ivan Herman: accepted...Also a very practical thing

15:59:03 <karen> ...not sure how many use cases we will have; but hopefully quite a lot

...not sure how many use cases we will have; but hopefully quite a lot

15:59:16 <karen> ...anybody adding new use cases should keep information precise

...anybody adding new use cases should keep information precise

15:59:26 <karen> ...it's ok to write a separate wikipage with more details

...it's ok to write a separate wikipage with more details

15:59:29 <karen> ...that's why it's there

...that's why it's there

15:59:40 <karen> ..but this page here should be relatively concise

..but this page here should be relatively concise

15:59:49 <karen> ...or else page will become unmanageable

...or else page will become unmanageable

15:59:52 <karen> Markus: correct

Markus Gylling: correct

16:00:05 <tzviya> raises hand

Tzviya Siegman: raises hand

16:00:08 <karen> ...from the categories we would likely have sub-categories for use cases

...from the categories we would likely have sub-categories for use cases

16:00:15 <karen> ...so all use cases pertaining to Internationalization

...so all use cases pertaining to Internationalization

16:00:25 <karen> Ivan: that means what we say...and be clear

Ivan Herman: that means what we say...and be clear

16:00:30 <karen> ...If I open up a new page on the wiki

...If I open up a new page on the wiki

16:00:40 <karen> ...we don't have a page with all the use cases

...we don't have a page with all the use cases

16:00:49 <karen> ...but each use case should have its own separate page

...but each use case should have its own separate page

16:00:58 <karen> Markus: collection of use cases on one page

Markus Gylling: collection of use cases on one page

16:01:05 <karen> Ivan: ok, if we have indexes

Ivan Herman: ok, if we have indexes

16:01:21 <karen> Tzviya: To what extend should we solicit use cases from larger groups

Tzviya Siegman: To what extend should we solicit use cases from larger groups

16:01:34 <Zakim> -Sharad

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad

16:01:34 <karen> ...working with the AAP...American Association of Publishers working on the ePub tree

...working with the AAP...American Association of Publishers working on the ePub tree

16:01:40 <karen> ...I have a large group at my disposal

...I have a large group at my disposal

16:01:48 <karen> Markus: yes, you know lots of stuff that the industry wants

Markus Gylling: yes, you know lots of stuff that the industry wants

16:01:59 <karen> ...and to channel that through that in here is why we love having you here

...and to channel that through that in here is why we love having you here

16:02:08 <karen> ...yes, go for it

...yes, go for it

16:02:17 <karen> Tzviya: I'll add it to my next meeting agenda

Tzviya Siegman: I'll add it to my next meeting agenda

16:02:22 <karen> Markus: Final item is what to do next

Markus Gylling: Final item is what to do next

16:02:29 <karen> ...it's to start exercizing our set-up

...it's to start exercizing our set-up

16:02:45 <karen> ...We'll need to distribute action items to someone who would like to start populating the wiki accordingly

...We'll need to distribute action items to someone who would like to start populating the wiki accordingly

16:02:50 <karen> ...Either we ask the chairs to get us started

...Either we ask the chairs to get us started

16:02:59 <karen> ...but if anybody else

...but if anybody else

16:03:15 <karen> ...would like to do a couple in a category of your choice, please raise your hand

...would like to do a couple in a category of your choice, please raise your hand

16:03:19 <karen> ...and we'll be happy to guide you

...and we'll be happy to guide you

16:03:30 <karen> Tzviya: once I start gathering use cases I can add them in

Tzviya Siegman: once I start gathering use cases I can add them in

16:03:38 <karen> ...not sure I have access to edit wiki

...not sure I have access to edit wiki

16:03:49 <karen> Markus: alright

Markus Gylling: alright

16:04:01 <karen> ...we'll ask chairs to take new action to take real use cases to the wiki

...we'll ask chairs to take new action to take real use cases to the wiki

16:04:16 <karen> Madi: yes

Madi Solomon: yes

16:04:23 <karen> Markus: any other business?

Markus Gylling: any other business?

16:04:28 <karen> ...great, how do we close action?

...great, how do we close action?

16:04:31 <Zakim> -Madi

Zakim IRC Bot: -Madi

16:04:46 <TomDN> have to go, bye

Tom De Nies: have to go, bye

16:04:47 <karen> Ivan: which action?

Ivan Herman: which action?

16:04:51 <Zakim> -TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN

16:04:55 <tmichel> ACTION: Madi to take real use cases to the wiki

ACTION: Madi to take real use cases to the wiki

16:04:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-3 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-20].

16:05:01 <karen> Markus: actions 1 and 2

Markus Gylling: actions 1 and 2

16:05:06 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

16:05:07 <fjh> ACTION-001?

Frederick Hirsch: ACTION-001?

16:05:07 <trackbot> ACTION-001 -- Madi Solomon to Create the strawman for the taxonomy -- due 2013-08-13 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-001 -- Madi Solomon to Create the strawman for the taxonomy -- due 2013-08-13 -- OPEN

16:05:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/1

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/1

16:05:10 <karen> ...you are free to depart call now; thank you

...you are free to depart call now; thank you

16:05:12 <fjh> close ACTION-001

Frederick Hirsch: close ACTION-001

16:05:12 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-001.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-001.

16:05:17 <ivan> close ACTION-002

Ivan Herman: close ACTION-002

16:05:18 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-002.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-002.

16:05:27 <Zakim> -fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh

16:05:29 <Zakim> -Tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tzviya

16:06:02 <tmichel> ACTION: Markus to take real use cases to the wiki

ACTION: Markus to take real use cases to the wiki

16:06:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-4 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-20].

16:06:38 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplansky

16:06:51 <mgylling> karen yes, we will arrange a scribe, promise

Markus Gylling: karen yes, we will arrange a scribe, promise

16:07:10 <Zakim> -Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert

16:07:16 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes

Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:07:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/13-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/13-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

16:10:14 <Zakim> -mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling

16:10:16 <Zakim> -Karen

Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen

16:16:43 <Zakim> -Ivan

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16:21:43 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, tmichel, in Team_(dpub)15:00Z

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, tmichel, in Team_(dpub)15:00Z

16:21:45 <Zakim> Team_(dpub)15:00Z has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dpub)15:00Z has ended

16:21:45 <Zakim> Attendees were mgylling, Ivan, +1.650.404.aaaa, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN, +1.503.614.aabb, tmichel, Sharad, Madi, +1.201.748.aacc, Tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were mgylling, Ivan, +1.650.404.aaaa, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN, +1.503.614.aabb, tmichel, Sharad, Madi, +1.201.748.aacc, Tzviya



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