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14:38:40 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/13-dpub-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/13-dpub-irc ←
14:38:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
14:38:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub ←
14:38:44 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
14:38:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:38:45 <trackbot> Date: 13 August 2013
<ivan> Guest: Karen (karen) Myers, W3C
14:54:05 <ivan> zakim, room for 20 at 11:00?
(No events recorded for 15 minutes)
Ivan Herman: zakim, room for 20 at 11:00? ←
14:54:08 <Zakim> ok, ivan; conference Team_(dpub)15:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) at 11:00 for 60 minutes until 1600Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; conference Team_(dpub)15:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) at 11:00 for 60 minutes until 1600Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked ←
14:55:56 <duga> 3782# is not a valid passcode, apparently
Brady Duga: 3782# is not a valid passcode, apparently ←
14:56:09 <ivan> yes, duga, there has been a hiccup today
Ivan Herman: yes, duga, there has been a hiccup today ←
14:56:22 <ivan> please, use 26631 (CONF1
Ivan Herman: please, use 26631 (CONF1 ←
14:56:34 <duga> OK, thank you!
Brady Duga: OK, thank you! ←
14:56:39 <ivan> sorry about that
Ivan Herman: sorry about that ←
14:57:36 <Zakim> Team_(dpub)15:00Z has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(dpub)15:00Z has now started ←
14:57:43 <Zakim> +mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling ←
14:57:48 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: PLEASE USE, EXCEPTIONALLY, THE CODE 26631 FOR DIALLING IN TODAY
Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: PLEASE USE, EXCEPTIONALLY, THE CODE 26631 FOR DIALLING IN TODAY ←
14:58:01 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:58:01 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:58:02 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:58:08 <Zakim> + +1.650.404.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.404.aaaa ←
14:58:21 <duga> zakim, aaaa is duga
Brady Duga: zakim, aaaa is duga ←
14:58:22 <Zakim> +duga; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga; got it ←
14:58:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:58:47 <karen> zakim, IPcaller is Karen
Karen Myers: zakim, IPcaller is Karen ←
14:58:48 <Zakim> +Karen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen; got it ←
14:58:52 <fjh> zakim, code?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code? ←
14:58:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh ←
14:58:57 <duga> Just so you know, I am on a bus so will have difficulty speaking
Brady Duga: Just so you know, I am on a bus so will have difficulty speaking ←
14:59:22 <mgylling> duga, okidok
Markus Gylling: duga, okidok ←
14:59:57 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
15:00:04 <fjh> zakim, ??P7 is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
15:00:04 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
15:00:24 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh ←
15:00:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky ←
15:01:39 <mgylling> regrets: Vladimir, George, azaroth
<sandro> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplansky) Kaplansky, Aptara
15:02:04 <karen> Chair: Markus Gylling
15:02:08 <karen> Scribe: Karen Myers
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
15:02:36 <ivan> scribenick: karen
15:03:34 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
15:04:04 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
15:04:17 <tmichel> zakim says 3782# passcode is not valid !
Thierry Michel: zakim says 3782# passcode is not valid ! ←
15:05:04 <Sharad> passcode is not working
Sharad Garg: passcode is not working ←
15:05:12 <Zakim> +TomDN
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN ←
15:05:17 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
15:05:17 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
15:05:21 <fjh> zakim, code>
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code> ←
15:05:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code>', fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'code>', fjh ←
15:05:23 <karen> Passcode for today only has chnaged
Passcode for today only has chnaged ←
15:05:25 <mgylling> Sharad, use 26631
Markus Gylling: Sharad, use 26631 ←
15:05:27 <fjh> zakim, code?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code? ←
15:05:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh ←
15:05:35 <tmichel> I have tried at least 1à times I can't get in Zakim with code 3782# "passcode is not valid !"
Thierry Michel: I have tried at least 1à times I can't get in Zakim with code 3782# "passcode is not valid !" ←
15:05:47 <tmichel> what is the code then ?
Thierry Michel: what is the code then ? ←
15:06:14 <Zakim> + +1.503.614.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.614.aabb ←
15:07:00 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
15:07:11 <tmichel> zakim, ??P25 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
15:07:11 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:07:32 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Sharad
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Sharad ←
15:07:32 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it ←
15:07:44 <tmichel> OK works fine with code 26631 ...
Thierry Michel: OK works fine with code 26631 ... ←
15:07:48 <mgylling> Zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:07:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN (muted), Sharad, tmichel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see mgylling, Ivan, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN (muted), Sharad, tmichel ←
15:07:50 <karen> Ivan: eventually zakim will learn code...
Ivan Herman: eventually zakim will learn code... ←
15:07:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see TomDN, Bert, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see TomDN, Bert, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, tmichel, naitik, fjh, duga, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, ivan, trackbot, Liam, plinss, sandro ←
15:08:06 <karen> ...apologies for the zakim hiccup; there was an administrative problem today
...apologies for the zakim hiccup; there was an administrative problem today ←
15:08:39 <karen> Markus: Shall we get started?
Markus Gylling: Shall we get started? ←
15:08:43 <karen> Ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:08:56 <karen> Markus: First thing is of course I forgot to put in the agenda the most fun item of all
Markus Gylling: First thing is of course I forgot to put in the agenda the most fun item of all ←
15:09:02 <karen> ...which is to bless or not last week's minutes
...which is to bless or not last week's minutes ←
15:09:23 <karen> ...open up floor if there are comments
...open up floor if there are comments ←
15:09:36 <karen> Ivan: or forever hold your peace
Ivan Herman: or forever hold your peace ←
15:09:46 <karen> Markus: sounds like there are not objections, so we're done with that
Markus Gylling: sounds like there are not objections, so we're done with that ←
15:09:56 <Zakim> +Madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +Madi ←
15:10:03 <karen> ...I thought we could look quickly around to see if we have any new members joining us today
...I thought we could look quickly around to see if we have any new members joining us today ←
15:10:05 <ivan> For the records, last week's minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-06
Ivan Herman: For the records, last week's minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-06 ←
15:10:09 <karen> Madi: hi everyone
Madi Solomon: hi everyone ←
15:10:16 <karen> Markus: I see one, Brady Duga from Google
Markus Gylling: I see one, Brady Duga from Google ←
15:10:22 <karen> ...you may not be able to speak
...you may not be able to speak ←
15:10:32 <karen> Brady: Say hello, I've been around epub for many, many years
Brady Duga: Say hello, I've been around epub for many, many years ←
15:10:41 <karen> ...have done liaising with W3C on CSS WG; and I'm on a bus
...have done liaising with W3C on CSS WG; and I'm on a bus ←
15:10:49 <karen> Markus: welcome, Brady, we are glad to have you
Markus Gylling: welcome, Brady, we are glad to have you ←
15:11:02 <karen> ...anyone else new who was not here last week?
...anyone else new who was not here last week? ←
15:11:16 <karen> ...While we are speaking about new members, we could go into this topic right away
...While we are speaking about new members, we could go into this topic right away ←
15:11:27 <karen> ...please keep an eye open to new members you would like to suggest
...please keep an eye open to new members you would like to suggest ←
15:11:30 <karen> ...please contact me
...please contact me ←
15:11:39 <karen> ...Thank you, Jean, for pointing us to Bluefire
...Thank you, Jean, for pointing us to Bluefire ←
15:11:40 <JeanKaplansky> you're welcome!
Jean Kaplansky: you're welcome! ←
15:11:42 <karen> ...we are talking to them now
...we are talking to them now ←
15:11:53 <karen> ...Chairs have done a fair amount of outreach over the past week
...Chairs have done a fair amount of outreach over the past week ←
15:12:04 <karen> ...Just like we've seen Brady join, we expect to see more folks join
...Just like we've seen Brady join, we expect to see more folks join ←
15:12:12 <karen> ...in large organizations it takes time
...in large organizations it takes time ←
15:12:22 <karen> ...Any other questions regarding membership that anyone would like to speak about?
...Any other questions regarding membership that anyone would like to speak about? ←
15:12:32 <karen> ...Next, a reminder that also email list
...Next, a reminder that also email list ←
15:12:42 <karen> ...Thierry sent out pointers to the TPAC face-to-face meeting in China
...Thierry sent out pointers to the TPAC face-to-face meeting in China ←
15:12:52 <karen> ...This group will meet and many other groups in w3C
...This group will meet and many other groups in w3C ←
15:13:00 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:13:00 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
15:13:04 <TomDN> +q
Tom De Nies: +q ←
15:13:09 <karen> ...For planning purposes, the W3C is asking everyone to register as soon as possible
...For planning purposes, the W3C is asking everyone to register as soon as possible ←
15:13:12 <karen> ack TomDN
ack TomDN ←
15:13:23 <karen> TomDN: yes, I wanted to ask if there is going to be a telephone bridge to dial in?
Tom De Nies: yes, I wanted to ask if there is going to be a telephone bridge to dial in? ←
15:13:28 <karen> Ivan: to the TPAC meeting?
Ivan Herman: to the TPAC meeting? ←
15:13:31 <karen> ...we will try to set it up
...we will try to set it up ←
15:13:40 <karen> ...one thing we cannot change is the time difference
...one thing we cannot change is the time difference ←
15:13:43 <karen> Markus: right
Markus Gylling: right ←
15:13:48 <TomDN> zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: zakim, mute me ←
15:13:48 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
15:13:55 <karen> ...ok, so anything other regarding logsitics that I missed
...ok, so anything other regarding logsitics that I missed ←
15:13:56 <karen> q+
q+ ←
15:14:08 <Zakim> + +1.201.748.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.748.aacc ←
15:14:16 <karen> Markus: speaking of scribing, Karen is doing so today but will not moving forward
Markus Gylling: speaking of scribing, Karen is doing so today but will not moving forward ←
15:14:27 <karen> ...we should try to identify the scribe in advance of each meeting
...we should try to identify the scribe in advance of each meeting ←
15:14:35 <karen> ...so here is then an order for all of us
...so here is then an order for all of us ←
15:14:40 <karen> ...if you are willing to scribe
...if you are willing to scribe ←
15:14:54 <ivan> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0003.html mail on TPAC registration
Ivan Herman: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0003.html mail on TPAC registration ←
15:14:59 <karen> ...identify yourself on the email thread, if this does not work, we will select
...identify yourself on the email thread, if this does not work, we will select ←
15:15:05 <karen> Ivan: who is from 201 ac?
Ivan Herman: who is from 201 ac? ←
15:15:13 <tmichel> Good to know in advance people who volunteer to scribe
Thierry Michel: Good to know in advance people who volunteer to scribe ←
15:15:24 <tmichel> by responding to the agenda ...
Thierry Michel: by responding to the agenda ... ←
15:15:26 <duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:15:27 <karen> zakim, aacc is Tzviya
zakim, aacc is Tzviya ←
15:15:27 <Zakim> +Tzviya; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya; got it ←
15:15:35 <karen> Markus: welcome, Tzviya
Markus Gylling: welcome, Tzviya ←
15:15:40 <ivan> guest: Tzviya (Tzviya) Siegman, Wiley
15:15:54 <karen> Tzviya: I work for Wiley, also work with IDPF, with ePub standards
Tzviya Siegman: I work for Wiley, also work with IDPF, with ePub standards ←
15:16:15 <karen> @: TPAC says we will meet with other groups
@: TPAC says we will meet with other groups ←
15:16:27 <karen> Ivan: Two days are Monday and Tuesday
Ivan Herman: Two days are Monday and Tuesday ←
15:16:36 <karen> ...CSS plans to meet same days; we can plan to meet with them
...CSS plans to meet same days; we can plan to meet with them ←
15:16:50 <karen> ...and we'll work with Markus and Madi about what other groups
...and we'll work with Markus and Madi about what other groups ←
15:16:56 <karen> @: so Monday and Tuesday for sure
Brady Duga: so Monday and Tuesday for sure ←
15:17:11 <karen> Ivan: yes, but there are other groups meeting and you are welcome to stay for whole week
Ivan Herman: yes, but there are other groups meeting and you are welcome to stay for whole week ←
15:17:13 <ivan> s/@/Brady/
15:17:25 <karen> q+
q+ ←
15:17:33 <tmichel> Everybody is welcome to attend any meeting during TPAC week as guest
Thierry Michel: Everybody is welcome to attend any meeting during TPAC week as guest ←
15:17:43 <karen> Markus: suggest we go to next agenda items about the use case templates
Markus Gylling: suggest we go to next agenda items about the use case templates ←
15:17:49 <ivan> ack karen
Ivan Herman: ack karen ←
15:17:51 <duga> q-
Brady Duga: q- ←
15:17:54 <ivan> ack duga
Ivan Herman: ack duga ←
15:18:19 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template ←
15:18:31 <karen> Karen: emphasize point about need for visas to travel to China
Karen Myers: emphasize point about need for visas to travel to China ←
15:18:36 <karen> ...and need to get letter of invitation
...and need to get letter of invitation ←
15:18:45 <karen> Markus: if you can, follow the link on irc
Markus Gylling: if you can, follow the link on irc ←
15:18:54 <karen> ...or in the email sent out a couple hours ago, go to template page
...or in the email sent out a couple hours ago, go to template page ←
15:19:04 <karen> ...there are many different aspects to what we need to decide here
...there are many different aspects to what we need to decide here ←
15:19:12 <karen> ...Assume we'll start out with the wiki for the use caes
...Assume we'll start out with the wiki for the use cases ←
15:19:17 <karen> s/caes/cases
15:19:29 <karen> ...we can move to something else eventually, but let's start there [with wiki]
...we can move to something else eventually, but let's start there [with wiki] ←
15:19:36 <karen> ...Before we start talking about details
...Before we start talking about details ←
15:19:46 <karen> ...Madi and I have prepared this statement for today
...Madi and I have prepared this statement for today ←
15:19:57 <karen> ...many of you have been through this type of exercize before
...many of you have been through this type of exercize before ←
15:20:08 <karen> ...likely experienced useful and not so useful approaches
...likely experienced useful and not so useful approaches ←
15:20:16 <karen> ...we would like to tap into all of your collective experience
...we would like to tap into all of your collective experience ←
15:20:25 <karen> ...any suggestions on changes to what we have here is more than welcome
...any suggestions on changes to what we have here is more than welcome ←
15:20:30 <karen> ...this is just an early draft to start
...this is just an early draft to start ←
15:20:40 <karen> ...So basically, if you look at the template page
...So basically, if you look at the template page ←
15:20:52 <karen> ...small chunks like this in these fields is what we would be producing
...small chunks like this in these fields is what we would be producing ←
15:21:02 <karen> ...many of these use cases will be produced; organized in different ways
...many of these use cases will be produced; organized in different ways ←
15:21:10 <karen> ...this is one approach to the template
...this is one approach to the template ←
15:21:14 <karen> ...a quite standard approach
...a quite standard approach ←
15:21:18 <karen> ...there is a use case field
...there is a use case field ←
15:21:33 <karen> ...that describes some kind of action or sequence of actions that an actor performs
...that describes some kind of action or sequence of actions that an actor performs ←
15:21:41 <karen> ...Second field is the requirements from the use case
...Second field is the requirements from the use case ←
15:21:52 <karen> ...We've also been discussion...more interesting
...We've also been discussion...more interesting ←
15:22:00 <karen> ...the additional fields that should be provided
...the additional fields that should be provided ←
15:22:06 <karen> ...Suggestion for stakeholder field
...Suggestion for stakeholder field ←
15:22:12 <karen> ...which requirement this applies to
...which requirement this applies to ←
15:22:19 <karen> ...is it stakeholder, retailer, etc.
...is it stakeholder, retailer, etc. ←
15:22:27 <karen> ...could be done in later organization to sort things
...could be done in later organization to sort things ←
15:22:34 <karen> ...based on stakeholders involved to each case
...based on stakeholders involved to each case ←
15:22:42 <karen> ...Another possible field is @
...Another possible field is ranking ←
15:22:49 <karen> ...will be a lot of stuff over the year
...will be a lot of stuff over the year ←
15:22:58 <karen> ...One of things working groups, once we start approaching them
...One of things working groups, once we start approaching them ←
15:23:02 <karen> ...is how we rank
...is how we rank ←
15:23:11 <karen> s/@/ranking
15:23:22 <karen> ...ranking is difficult to do, so would like to get your input from your experience
...ranking is difficult to do, so would like to get your input from your experience ←
15:23:27 <karen> ...in a way that makes sense
...in a way that makes sense ←
15:23:43 <karen> ...Next field is relations dependency...to describe how it relates to another use case
...Next field is relations dependency...to describe how it relates to another use case ←
15:23:47 <karen> ...helps to navigate
...helps to navigate ←
15:24:00 <karen> ...Finally we have the field for mentioning which groups we believe to be involved in which use cases
...Finally we have the field for mentioning which groups we believe to be involved in which use cases ←
15:24:04 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:24:07 <karen> ...Sometimes we know, other times we do not
...Sometimes we know, other times we do not ←
15:24:13 <karen> ...good to see which activity is involved
...good to see which activity is involved ←
15:24:18 <karen> ...So those are the starting point fields
...So those are the starting point fields ←
15:24:27 <karen> ...There are two examples below to describe how we could look
...There are two examples below to describe how we could look ←
15:24:40 <karen> ...Look at completely ad hoc examples, not intended to be real
...Look at completely ad hoc examples, not intended to be real ←
15:24:46 <karen> ...Stakeholders field is enumerated
...Stakeholders field is enumerated ←
15:24:57 <karen> ...ranking field is left out since we don't know how to do that
...ranking field is left out since we don't know how to do that ←
15:25:04 <karen> ...That is a quick 101 on the starting template
...That is a quick 101 on the starting template ←
15:25:16 <karen> ...I would like to open the floor for all of you to tell us what you think
...I would like to open the floor for all of you to tell us what you think ←
15:25:25 <karen> ...what you like, not, what we should do differently
...what you like, not, what we should do differently ←
15:25:26 <karen> ack Ivan
ack Ivan ←
15:25:32 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:25:39 <karen> Ivan: For those who are new, put yourselves on queue
Ivan Herman: For those who are new, put yourselves on queue ←
15:25:48 <karen> ack Ivan
ack Ivan ←
15:26:00 <karen> Ivan: what I miss is something which tells me that this use case is here
Ivan Herman: what I miss is something which tells me that this use case is here ←
15:26:12 <karen> ...because these are the technical problems with the current W3C specifications
...because these are the technical problems with the current W3C specifications ←
15:26:20 <karen> ...these are the features I need to do that and I don't have them
...these are the features I need to do that and I don't have them ←
15:26:32 <karen> ...we certainly do not want use cases that cannot be solved without current recommendations
...we certainly do not want use cases that cannot be solved without current recommendations ←
15:26:35 <karen> Markus: exactly
Markus Gylling: exactly ←
15:26:41 <karen> ...we won't be adding anything if it's not a problem
...we won't be adding anything if it's not a problem ←
15:26:45 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:26:46 <JeanKaplansky> q+
Jean Kaplansky: q+ ←
15:26:55 <karen> Ivan: later when we have several of those we can group the various entries
Ivan Herman: later when we have several of those we can group the various entries ←
15:27:10 <karen> ...according to problem areas and regroup certain areas and hand over to CSS for example
...according to problem areas and regroup certain areas and hand over to CSS for example ←
15:27:13 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:27:20 <karen> ...could be 3-4 use cases for example that testify to those
...could be 3-4 use cases for example that testify to those ←
15:27:28 <karen> Markus: the field you would like to see, how would it look?
Markus Gylling: the field you would like to see, how would it look? ←
15:27:37 <karen> Ivan: if it's more granular than W3C groups
Ivan Herman: if it's more granular than W3C groups ←
15:27:42 <karen> ...the technical feature that you ened
...the technical feature that you ened ←
15:27:45 <karen> s/need
s/need ←
15:27:51 <karen> ...we don't know in detail, but we need something
...we don't know in detail, but we need something ←
15:27:57 <karen> Markus: ok, make sure I understand
Markus Gylling: ok, make sure I understand ←
15:28:06 <karen> ...Looking at examples and requirements listing
...Looking at examples and requirements listing ←
15:28:12 <karen> ...those are feature descriptions to me
...those are feature descriptions to me ←
15:28:15 <karen> Ivan: ok
Ivan Herman: ok ←
15:28:27 <karen> ...I see what you mean
...I see what you mean ←
15:28:41 <karen> ...Ok, so we should try to be as specific as possible
...Ok, so we should try to be as specific as possible ←
15:28:47 <karen> ...to make the later work easier
...to make the later work easier ←
15:28:52 <karen> ...you are right, requirement is there
...you are right, requirement is there ←
15:28:56 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:29:01 <karen> ...we should avoid to give a very high-level requirement
...we should avoid to give a very high-level requirement ←
15:29:05 <karen> ack JeanKaplansky
ack JeanKaplansky ←
15:29:13 <karen> JeanKaplansky: I will be quick
Jean Kaplansky: I will be quick ←
15:29:29 <karen> ...for people who are invited guests, how do you want to proceed if we have one to offer?
...for people who are invited guests, how do you want to proceed if we have one to offer? ←
15:29:36 <karen> ...do we do by proxy, or send themselves?
...do we do by proxy, or send themselves? ←
15:29:42 <karen> ...I don't have access to the wiki
...I don't have access to the wiki ←
15:29:44 <karen> q+
q+ ←
15:29:47 <karen> Markus: Ivan?
Markus Gylling: Ivan? ←
15:29:56 <ivan> ack karen
Ivan Herman: ack karen ←
15:30:33 <karen> Karen: best to send to mailing list for now
Karen Myers: best to send to mailing list for now ←
15:30:47 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:30:48 <karen> ...two ways to participate are as member or Invited Expert (IE)
...two ways to participate are as member or Invited Expert (IE) ←
15:31:02 <karen> ...we'll be happy to discuss with anyone in either situation offline
...we'll be happy to discuss with anyone in either situation offline ←
15:31:19 <karen> Markus: If we get a big corpus, we'll likely move to a data table since wiki will be messy
Markus Gylling: If we get a big corpus, we'll likely move to a data table since wiki will be messy ←
15:31:34 <karen> ...point you are raising about making it easier...we want to filter by W3C area
...point you are raising about making it easier...we want to filter by W3C area ←
15:31:37 <karen> ...WG by specification
...WG by specification ←
15:31:41 <karen> ...agree that the current field
...agree that the current field ←
15:31:45 <karen> ...where we list something
...where we list something ←
15:31:48 <karen> ...is not ideal
...is not ideal ←
15:31:53 <karen> ...better to be more specific
...better to be more specific ←
15:32:12 <karen> ...For each of these examples there are two reuirements that spawn from use cases; but no way to tell which applies to which WG below
...For each of these examples there are two reuirements that spawn from use cases; but no way to tell which applies to which WG below ←
15:32:12 <ivan_> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:32:12 <Zakim> ok, ivan_; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan_; the call is being made ←
15:32:14 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:32:19 <karen> ...so that is one thing we can solve
...so that is one thing we can solve ←
15:32:22 <karen> ...many ways to do that
...many ways to do that ←
15:32:30 <karen> ...Are there any other comments, thoughts or reactions on this?
...Are there any other comments, thoughts or reactions on this? ←
15:32:46 <TomDN> q+
Tom De Nies: q+ ←
15:32:48 <karen> ...Does it look reasonable to you? Other experiences that you have had?
...Does it look reasonable to you? Other experiences that you have had? ←
15:32:53 <karen> ...All open to making changes now
...All open to making changes now ←
15:32:55 <karen> ack TomDN
ack TomDN ←
15:33:04 <karen> TomDN: keeping list of use cases easy to go through
Tom De Nies: keeping list of use cases easy to go through ←
15:33:12 <karen> ...would it be good to have a set number of fields
...would it be good to have a set number of fields ←
15:33:14 <karen> ...that we can enter
...that we can enter ←
15:33:21 <karen> ...For example, looking at publishers and accessibility
...For example, looking at publishers and accessibility ←
15:33:27 <karen> ...could we keep a list of those values
...could we keep a list of those values ←
15:33:33 <karen> ...and [cannot hear]
...and avoid near duplicates ←
15:33:44 <karen> Markus: agree; stakeholders field
Markus Gylling: agree; stakeholders field ←
15:33:50 <karen> ...also pointer to relevant W3C activity
...also pointer to relevant W3C activity ←
15:33:58 <karen> ...So yes, that is a good point; we should do that
...So yes, that is a good point; we should do that ←
15:33:59 <TomDN> s/[cannot hear]/avoid near duplicates/
15:34:08 <karen> Ivan: it's simple because we can refer to W3C WG that is relevant
Ivan Herman: it's simple because we can refer to W3C WG that is relevant ←
15:34:27 <karen> Markus: when it comes to stakeholders, we could evolve for a while but would need to maintain a list
Markus Gylling: when it comes to stakeholders, we could evolve for a while but would need to maintain a list ←
15:34:31 <karen> ...publishers-all
...publishers-all ←
15:34:41 <karen> ...there are certain things of interest to digital publishers
...there are certain things of interest to digital publishers ←
15:34:56 <karen> ...science publishers have different wishes, so specify that somewhere
...science publishers have different wishes, so specify that somewhere ←
15:35:08 <karen> ...as we get use cases that pertain to a specific group
...as we get use cases that pertain to a specific group ←
15:35:19 <TomDN> zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: zakim, mute me ←
15:35:19 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
15:35:23 <karen> ...Any other thoughts or comments?
...Any other thoughts or comments? ←
15:35:42 <karen> ...Again, in my experience, and we'll be talking next about the taxonomy, the higher level organizatoin
...Again, in my experience, and we'll be talking next about the taxonomy, the higher level organizatoin ←
15:35:55 <karen> ...not so critical to get right; that can change over time with multiple views of same data
...not so critical to get right; that can change over time with multiple views of same data ←
15:36:06 <karen> ...but it will be painful to change if we get this wrong
...but it will be painful to change if we get this wrong ←
15:36:13 <karen> ...Good to settle the format for the use cases
...Good to settle the format for the use cases ←
15:36:21 <karen> ...How do we want to proceed?
...How do we want to proceed? ←
15:36:28 <karen> ...Madi, any reactions?
...Madi, any reactions? ←
15:36:34 <karen> Madi: this whole wiki is new to me
Madi Solomon: this whole wiki is new to me ←
15:36:39 <karen> ...so not at this times
...so not at this times ←
15:36:55 <karen> Markus: to start generating we could declare a two-week period of trial
Markus Gylling: to start generating we could declare a two-week period of trial ←
15:36:59 <karen> ...where we test the usage
...where we test the usage ←
15:37:05 <karen> ...and after that we can do a review
...and after that we can do a review ←
15:37:10 <karen> ...and make any changes needed
...and make any changes needed ←
15:37:21 <karen> ...Not too far off from now, I would like to nail down the sytax
...Not too far off from now, I would like to nail down the sytax ←
15:37:29 <karen> ...but worthwhile to try it out for a while first
...but worthwhile to try it out for a while first ←
15:37:41 <karen> ...So unless there are more comments, suggestion is that we will use this layout for two weeks
...So unless there are more comments, suggestion is that we will use this layout for two weeks ←
15:37:48 <karen> ...depending upon how much progress we make
...depending upon how much progress we make ←
15:37:50 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:37:54 <karen> ...and return to call two weeks from now
...and return to call two weeks from now ←
15:37:59 <karen> ...How does that sound?
...How does that sound? ←
15:38:02 <karen> ack Ivan
ack Ivan ←
15:38:08 <karen> Ivan: very practical advice
Ivan Herman: very practical advice ←
15:38:24 <madi> q+
Madi Solomon: q+ ←
15:38:30 <karen> ...because we don't have yet everybody on this call, it's probably worth sending a separate email to everyone on the mailing list
...because we don't have yet everybody on this call, it's probably worth sending a separate email to everyone on the mailing list ←
15:38:37 <TomDN> Zakim, who is noisy?
Tom De Nies: Zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:38:41 <karen> ...and maybe even do a small blog on the activity blog
...and maybe even do a small blog on the activity blog ←
15:38:48 <karen> Markus: to the structure of the use cases?
Markus Gylling: to the structure of the use cases? ←
15:38:49 <Zakim> TomDN, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (79%)
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (79%) ←
15:38:59 <tmichel> maybe we can have a summary in the minutes email and request for tests cases ...
Thierry Michel: maybe we can have a summary in the minutes email and request for tests cases ... ←
15:39:01 <karen> Ivan: the fact that they are there and people should begin to post use cases
Ivan Herman: the fact that they are there and people should begin to post use cases ←
15:39:15 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:39:15 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:39:25 <karen> Markus: So before we move on, the ranking field, arguably the most tricky one
Markus Gylling: So before we move on, the ranking field, arguably the most tricky one ←
15:39:38 <karen> ...use cases are irrelevant for some, and 'to die for' for others
...use cases are irrelevant for some, and 'to die for' for others ←
15:39:45 <karen> ...how do we do it? Try at all or not?
...how do we do it? Try at all or not? ←
15:40:02 <karen> ...It appears that this might be a separate thing all together
...It appears that this might be a separate thing all together ←
15:40:10 <karen> ...The importance ranking might be better to do later on
...The importance ranking might be better to do later on ←
15:40:14 <karen> ...ask stakeholders to rank
...ask stakeholders to rank ←
15:40:26 <karen> ...that could be one approach to rank after the use cases are there
...that could be one approach to rank after the use cases are there ←
15:40:31 <ivan> +1 to postpone
Ivan Herman: +1 to postpone ←
15:40:33 <karen> ...could be post-ponted to later stage
...could be post-ponted to later stage ←
15:40:34 <tmichel> In the additional info field, we could have links to other technologies dealing with this use case
Thierry Michel: In the additional info field, we could have links to other technologies dealing with this use case ←
15:40:35 <karen> ...not sure
...not sure ←
15:40:39 <karen> ...other suggestions?
...other suggestions? ←
15:41:06 <karen> @: I think post-poning prioritization is ok, but I've learned that timelines and prioritization are related
Tzviya Siegman: I think post-poning prioritization is ok, but I've learned that timelines and prioritization are related ←
15:41:06 <TomDN> +1 sounds better indeed (no one will rank their own use case as low-priority ;-) )
Tom De Nies: +1 sounds better indeed (no one will rank their own use case as low-priority ;-) ) ←
15:41:15 <karen> ...can it be implemented in six or twelve months
...can it be implemented in six or twelve months ←
15:41:19 <karen> Markus: yes, we'll see
Markus Gylling: yes, we'll see ←
15:41:24 <karen> Madi: I agree with what was just said
Madi Solomon: I agree with what was just said ←
15:41:30 <karen> ...we also need to flesh this out
...we also need to flesh this out ←
15:41:37 <karen> ...ranking is one of this group's biggest deliverables
...ranking is one of this group's biggest deliverables ←
15:41:38 <ivan> s/@/Tzviya/
15:41:43 <karen> ...we need to prioritize some of the work teams
...we need to prioritize some of the work teams ←
15:41:54 <karen> ...and flesh out who has voting rights
...and flesh out who has voting rights ←
15:42:00 <karen> ...So I vote for separating it
...So I vote for separating it ←
15:42:11 <karen> ...if we finalize on it; who will be ranking
...if we finalize on it; who will be ranking ←
15:42:22 <karen> ...and we report where that particular use case or specification
...and we report where that particular use case or specification ←
15:42:27 <karen> ...however we want to do it
...however we want to do it ←
15:42:31 <karen> Markus: right
Markus Gylling: right ←
15:42:51 <karen> ...so it sounds like we have agreement to post-pone and not have ranking in the use case now but do it at a later stage
...so it sounds like we have agreement to post-pone and not have ranking in the use case now but do it at a later stage ←
15:42:56 <karen> ...do it when we sort out other things
...do it when we sort out other things ←
15:43:04 <tmichel> have the ranking latter when we have a list of use cases
Thierry Michel: have the ranking latter when we have a list of use cases ←
15:43:04 <karen> ...That is good; one field less to worry about
...That is good; one field less to worry about ←
15:43:08 <karen> ...To get started then
...To get started then ←
15:43:28 <karen> ...An area where we enumerate stakeholder field; anything else?
...An area where we enumerate stakeholder field; anything else? ←
15:43:33 <karen> ...I guess that's it
...I guess that's it ←
15:43:36 <karen> ...All right
...All right ←
15:43:55 <karen> ...unless there are more comments on the use case template, let's move on to the taxonomy
...unless there are more comments on the use case template, let's move on to the taxonomy ←
15:43:58 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Categories
Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Categories ←
15:44:03 <karen> ...URL is here
...URL is here ←
15:44:07 <karen> ...thanks, Thierry
...thanks, Thierry ←
15:44:26 <karen> ...Again, my personal view is getting the individual structure of use case right is much more important now
...Again, my personal view is getting the individual structure of use case right is much more important now ←
15:44:39 <karen> ...we can have multiple views of same data, but we need one place to start
...we can have multiple views of same data, but we need one place to start ←
15:44:47 <karen> ...we could actually use the categories as a table of contents
...we could actually use the categories as a table of contents ←
15:44:52 <karen> ...at least one categorical view
...at least one categorical view ←
15:45:10 <karen> ...not just be a wiki page with headings; as we add use cases we would add under the headings here
...not just be a wiki page with headings; as we add use cases we would add under the headings here ←
15:45:28 <karen> ...The purpose here is to have...somebody comes along with new problem area
...The purpose here is to have...somebody comes along with new problem area ←
15:45:36 <karen> ...we have not thought of; so it's no problem
...we have not thought of; so it's no problem ←
15:45:43 <karen> ...if we have to reorganize, it's no problem
...if we have to reorganize, it's no problem ←
15:45:43 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:45:49 <karen> ...in order to help us
...in order to help us ←
15:45:54 <karen> ...also to see where we are making progress
...also to see where we are making progress ←
15:46:02 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:46:04 <karen> ...why suggestion here is to use the overarching taxonomy
...why suggestion here is to use the overarching taxonomy ←
15:46:16 <karen> ...these are basically top level, where there are things very likely to be added
...these are basically top level, where there are things very likely to be added ←
15:46:26 <karen> ...so it's quite a straight-forward approach
...so it's quite a straight-forward approach ←
15:46:40 <karen> ...we have added demos for first entries to see how it can be expanded downwards
...we have added demos for first entries to see how it can be expanded downwards ←
15:46:45 <karen> ...We don't have to enumerate now
...We don't have to enumerate now ←
15:46:48 <karen> ...See as we go along
...See as we go along ←
15:47:01 <karen> ...This should be our starting point in the wiki
...This should be our starting point in the wiki ←
15:47:06 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:47:15 <karen> ...Use cases will be listed here; way to navigate the corpus and see how we are making progress
...Use cases will be listed here; way to navigate the corpus and see how we are making progress ←
15:47:18 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:47:20 <karen> ...Any thoughts, suggestions or comments?
...Any thoughts, suggestions or comments? ←
15:47:36 <ivan> zakim, unmute
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute ←
15:47:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', ivan ←
15:47:48 <karen> ack Madi
ack Madi ←
15:47:59 <karen> Madi: actually, it was earlier in conversation
Madi Solomon: actually, it was earlier in conversation ←
15:48:09 <karen> ...Now, as a taxonomist, looking at this
...Now, as a taxonomist, looking at this ←
15:48:19 <karen> ...the domain specific content types might be a problem
...the domain specific content types might be a problem ←
15:48:30 <karen> ...each one of those will have dependencies in layout, accessibility
...each one of those will have dependencies in layout, accessibility ←
15:48:41 <karen> ...how to keep this hierarchical and multiple links to different categories
...how to keep this hierarchical and multiple links to different categories ←
15:48:46 <karen> ...might be a problem
...might be a problem ←
15:48:54 <karen> Markus: yeah, I agree; not sure how to do that
Markus Gylling: yeah, I agree; not sure how to do that ←
15:48:58 <karen> Madi: give it some thought
Madi Solomon: give it some thought ←
15:49:04 <karen> Markus: one individual use case
Markus Gylling: one individual use case ←
15:49:14 <karen> ...say metadata and infographics
...say metadata and infographics ←
15:49:19 <karen> ...link to it twice here
...link to it twice here ←
15:49:29 <karen> ...can do in wiki as opposed to dataformat
...can do in wiki as opposed to dataformat ←
15:49:36 <karen> ...keep it up to date in the short term
...keep it up to date in the short term ←
15:49:49 <karen> ...content types need to be different
...content types need to be different ←
15:49:56 <karen> ...so any suggestions on how to organize that are welcome
...so any suggestions on how to organize that are welcome ←
15:49:58 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:50:01 <karen> ack Ivan
ack Ivan ←
15:50:03 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:50:29 <karen> Ivan: First to react to what Madi said, to have same entry appearing under different headings here seems to be perfectly fine
Ivan Herman: First to react to what Madi said, to have same entry appearing under different headings here seems to be perfectly fine ←
15:50:41 <karen> ...not as strict...more a categorization of different aspects
...not as strict...more a categorization of different aspects ←
15:50:54 <karen> ...I think that will be fine to handle problem she [Madi] was referring to
...I think that will be fine to handle problem she [Madi] was referring to ←
15:51:10 <karen> ...original reason I was on queue was to ask where we put interaction
...original reason I was on queue was to ask where we put interaction ←
15:51:17 <karen> ...relevant for children's books or educational material
...relevant for children's books or educational material ←
15:51:32 <karen> ...now with existance of Java Script, SVG, ePub3 opens up for this
...now with existance of Java Script, SVG, ePub3 opens up for this ←
15:51:37 <karen> ...I don't see where this fits
...I don't see where this fits ←
15:51:45 <karen> ...Interaction for me is a top level category
...Interaction for me is a top level category ←
15:51:49 <karen> Markus: yes, probably you are right
Markus Gylling: yes, probably you are right ←
15:51:56 <karen> ...I think we should add that
...I think we should add that ←
15:52:06 <karen> ...I was thinking we have the assessments for example
...I was thinking we have the assessments for example ←
15:52:13 <karen> ...We could add more specific one
...We could add more specific one ←
15:52:27 <karen> ...Scientific interaction need is different from children's books
...Scientific interaction need is different from children's books ←
15:52:37 <karen> Ivan; yes, it comes back to what Madi said
Ivan; yes, it comes back to what Madi said ←
15:52:44 <karen> ...several entries will fit in to several categories
...several entries will fit in to several categories ←
15:52:56 <karen> ...internationalization or accessibility will have overlaps as well
...internationalization or accessibility will have overlaps as well ←
15:53:03 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:53:06 <karen> Markus: so refresh page and you will see Interaction field
Markus Gylling: so refresh page and you will see Interaction field ←
15:53:18 <karen> ...Good, to summarize then
...Good, to summarize then ←
15:53:27 <karen> ...we have trial period for the use case structure
...we have trial period for the use case structure ←
15:53:34 <karen> ...We have this page which we will probably rename
...We have this page which we will probably rename ←
15:53:44 <karen> ...entry page for the whole wiki where we link the use casees
...entry page for the whole wiki where we link the use casees ←
15:53:55 <karen> ...anybody who adds use cases must add it also to the mailing list
...anybody who adds use cases must add it also to the mailing list ←
15:53:59 <karen> Ivan: absolutely
Ivan Herman: absolutely ←
15:54:08 <karen> Markus: adding to mailing list is also required
Markus Gylling: adding to mailing list is also required ←
15:54:16 <karen> ...any remaining questions or comments
...any remaining questions or comments ←
15:54:19 <karen> Thierry: one detail
Thierry Michel: one detail ←
15:54:35 <karen> ...for @...would it be good to have name of author who is entering the use case?
...for @...would it be good to have name of author who is entering the use case? ←
15:54:41 <karen> ...we could ask person for clarification?
...we could ask person for clarification? ←
15:54:45 <karen> Markus: added by, yes
Markus Gylling: added by, yes ←
15:54:49 <karen> ...that could be good
...that could be good ←
15:55:03 <karen> ...what is the proper English term?
...what is the proper English term? ←
15:55:10 <karen> ...submitted by?
...submitted by? ←
15:55:15 <karen> Ivan: that works for me
Ivan Herman: that works for me ←
15:55:32 <karen> Markus: Final agenda item
Markus Gylling: Final agenda item ←
15:55:40 <karen> Thierry: don't we also need a date/
?T?h?i?e?r?r?y?:? ?d?o?n?'?t? ?w?e? ?a?l?s?o? ?n?e?e?d? ?a? ?d?a?t?e?/? ←
15:55:47 <karen> s//?
15:55:55 <karen> ...if you want to know new and former use cases
...if you want to know new and former use cases ←
15:56:08 <karen> ...has it been reviewed or not; is it a new draft; has it been discussed by the group
...has it been reviewed or not; is it a new draft; has it been discussed by the group ←
15:56:14 <karen> ...there will be a workflow for agreement for that
...there will be a workflow for agreement for that ←
15:56:18 <karen> ...we can have that later
...we can have that later ←
15:56:27 <karen> ...But sooner the better because people will fill it in
...But sooner the better because people will fill it in ←
15:56:36 <karen> Markus: try to stick with submitted by and dates
Markus Gylling: try to stick with submitted by and dates ←
15:56:42 <karen> ...very annoying to do all the down
...very annoying to do all the down ←
15:56:45 <karen> ...becomes stale
...becomes stale ←
15:56:49 <karen> ...when I tried dit
...when I tried dit ←
15:56:56 <karen> ...In terms of status that is a good point
...In terms of status that is a good point ←
15:57:08 <karen> ...What is the formal process? Will the IG formally bless the case?
...What is the formal process? Will the IG formally bless the case? ←
15:57:16 <karen> Ivan: up to us how we organize ourselves
Ivan Herman: up to us how we organize ourselves ←
15:57:28 <karen> Markus: sounds like we should go through the use cases on each call
Markus Gylling: sounds like we should go through the use cases on each call ←
15:57:34 <karen> ...List will also be part of the discussion
...List will also be part of the discussion ←
15:57:45 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:57:45 <karen> ...but show that we are standing behind something as a group is a good thing
...but show that we are standing behind something as a group is a good thing ←
15:57:48 <karen> ...So a status field
...So a status field ←
15:57:53 <karen> Thierry: what I tried to mention
Thierry Michel: what I tried to mention ←
15:58:00 <karen> ...this use case we discussed enough; not reopen it
...this use case we discussed enough; not reopen it ←
15:58:12 <karen> ...but at some point you want to nail down an issue an move on to another one
...but at some point you want to nail down an issue an move on to another one ←
15:58:24 <karen> ...so status like discussed or agreed would be helpful
...so status like discussed or agreed would be helpful ←
15:58:39 <karen> Markus: Something like status...under discussion; on-going; accepted
Markus Gylling: Something like status...under discussion; on-going; accepted ←
15:58:47 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:58:50 <karen> Ivan: accepted...Also a very practical thing
Ivan Herman: accepted...Also a very practical thing ←
15:59:03 <karen> ...not sure how many use cases we will have; but hopefully quite a lot
...not sure how many use cases we will have; but hopefully quite a lot ←
15:59:16 <karen> ...anybody adding new use cases should keep information precise
...anybody adding new use cases should keep information precise ←
15:59:26 <karen> ...it's ok to write a separate wikipage with more details
...it's ok to write a separate wikipage with more details ←
15:59:29 <karen> ...that's why it's there
...that's why it's there ←
15:59:40 <karen> ..but this page here should be relatively concise
..but this page here should be relatively concise ←
15:59:49 <karen> ...or else page will become unmanageable
...or else page will become unmanageable ←
15:59:52 <karen> Markus: correct
Markus Gylling: correct ←
16:00:05 <tzviya> raises hand
Tzviya Siegman: raises hand ←
16:00:08 <karen> ...from the categories we would likely have sub-categories for use cases
...from the categories we would likely have sub-categories for use cases ←
16:00:15 <karen> ...so all use cases pertaining to Internationalization
...so all use cases pertaining to Internationalization ←
16:00:25 <karen> Ivan: that means what we say...and be clear
Ivan Herman: that means what we say...and be clear ←
16:00:30 <karen> ...If I open up a new page on the wiki
...If I open up a new page on the wiki ←
16:00:40 <karen> ...we don't have a page with all the use cases
...we don't have a page with all the use cases ←
16:00:49 <karen> ...but each use case should have its own separate page
...but each use case should have its own separate page ←
16:00:58 <karen> Markus: collection of use cases on one page
Markus Gylling: collection of use cases on one page ←
16:01:05 <karen> Ivan: ok, if we have indexes
Ivan Herman: ok, if we have indexes ←
16:01:21 <karen> Tzviya: To what extend should we solicit use cases from larger groups
Tzviya Siegman: To what extend should we solicit use cases from larger groups ←
16:01:34 <Zakim> -Sharad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad ←
16:01:34 <karen> ...working with the AAP...American Association of Publishers working on the ePub tree
...working with the AAP...American Association of Publishers working on the ePub tree ←
16:01:40 <karen> ...I have a large group at my disposal
...I have a large group at my disposal ←
16:01:48 <karen> Markus: yes, you know lots of stuff that the industry wants
Markus Gylling: yes, you know lots of stuff that the industry wants ←
16:01:59 <karen> ...and to channel that through that in here is why we love having you here
...and to channel that through that in here is why we love having you here ←
16:02:08 <karen> ...yes, go for it
...yes, go for it ←
16:02:17 <karen> Tzviya: I'll add it to my next meeting agenda
Tzviya Siegman: I'll add it to my next meeting agenda ←
16:02:22 <karen> Markus: Final item is what to do next
Markus Gylling: Final item is what to do next ←
16:02:29 <karen> ...it's to start exercizing our set-up
...it's to start exercizing our set-up ←
16:02:45 <karen> ...We'll need to distribute action items to someone who would like to start populating the wiki accordingly
...We'll need to distribute action items to someone who would like to start populating the wiki accordingly ←
16:02:50 <karen> ...Either we ask the chairs to get us started
...Either we ask the chairs to get us started ←
16:02:59 <karen> ...but if anybody else
...but if anybody else ←
16:03:15 <karen> ...would like to do a couple in a category of your choice, please raise your hand
...would like to do a couple in a category of your choice, please raise your hand ←
16:03:19 <karen> ...and we'll be happy to guide you
...and we'll be happy to guide you ←
16:03:30 <karen> Tzviya: once I start gathering use cases I can add them in
Tzviya Siegman: once I start gathering use cases I can add them in ←
16:03:38 <karen> ...not sure I have access to edit wiki
...not sure I have access to edit wiki ←
16:03:49 <karen> Markus: alright
Markus Gylling: alright ←
16:04:01 <karen> ...we'll ask chairs to take new action to take real use cases to the wiki
...we'll ask chairs to take new action to take real use cases to the wiki ←
16:04:16 <karen> Madi: yes
Madi Solomon: yes ←
16:04:23 <karen> Markus: any other business?
Markus Gylling: any other business? ←
16:04:28 <karen> ...great, how do we close action?
...great, how do we close action? ←
16:04:31 <Zakim> -Madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -Madi ←
16:04:46 <TomDN> have to go, bye
Tom De Nies: have to go, bye ←
16:04:47 <karen> Ivan: which action?
Ivan Herman: which action? ←
16:04:51 <Zakim> -TomDN
Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN ←
16:04:55 <tmichel> ACTION: Madi to take real use cases to the wiki
ACTION: Madi to take real use cases to the wiki ←
16:04:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-3 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-20]. ←
16:05:01 <karen> Markus: actions 1 and 2
Markus Gylling: actions 1 and 2 ←
16:05:06 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
16:05:07 <fjh> ACTION-001?
Frederick Hirsch: ACTION-001? ←
16:05:07 <trackbot> ACTION-001 -- Madi Solomon to Create the strawman for the taxonomy -- due 2013-08-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-001 -- Madi Solomon to Create the strawman for the taxonomy -- due 2013-08-13 -- OPEN ←
16:05:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/1
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/1 ←
16:05:10 <karen> ...you are free to depart call now; thank you
...you are free to depart call now; thank you ←
16:05:12 <fjh> close ACTION-001
Frederick Hirsch: close ACTION-001 ←
16:05:12 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-001.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-001. ←
16:05:17 <ivan> close ACTION-002
Ivan Herman: close ACTION-002 ←
16:05:18 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-002.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-002. ←
16:05:27 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
16:05:29 <Zakim> -Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tzviya ←
16:06:02 <tmichel> ACTION: Markus to take real use cases to the wiki
ACTION: Markus to take real use cases to the wiki ←
16:06:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-4 - Take real use cases to the wiki [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-20]. ←
16:06:38 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplansky ←
16:06:51 <mgylling> karen yes, we will arrange a scribe, promise
Markus Gylling: karen yes, we will arrange a scribe, promise ←
16:07:10 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
16:07:16 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:07:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/13-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/13-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
16:10:14 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
16:10:16 <Zakim> -Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen ←
16:16:43 <Zakim> -Ivan
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16:21:43 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, tmichel, in Team_(dpub)15:00Z
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16:21:45 <Zakim> Attendees were mgylling, Ivan, +1.650.404.aaaa, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN, +1.503.614.aabb, tmichel, Sharad, Madi, +1.201.748.aacc, Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were mgylling, Ivan, +1.650.404.aaaa, duga, Karen, fjh, JeanKaplansky, Bert, TomDN, +1.503.614.aabb, tmichel, Sharad, Madi, +1.201.748.aacc, Tzviya ←
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