13:57:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/20-ldp-irc
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13:57:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
13:57:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
13:57:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started ←
13:57:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:05 <trackbot> Date: 20 August 2012
13:58:31 <Zakim> + +1.510.206.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.206.aaaa ←
13:58:33 <ghard> zakim, what is the conference code?
Yrjana Rankka: zakim, what is the conference code? ←
13:58:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ghard
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ghard ←
13:58:36 <Zakim> -??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P0 ←
13:58:36 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
13:58:42 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
13:58:48 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
13:58:49 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
13:58:50 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
13:58:50 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
13:58:50 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
13:58:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p2 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p2 is me ←
13:58:58 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
13:59:02 <Zakim> +gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc ←
13:59:04 <dret> zakim, +1.510.206.aaaa is me
Erik Wilde: zakim, +1.510.206.aaaa is me ←
13:59:07 <Zakim> +dret; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dret; got it ←
13:59:10 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
13:59:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc ←
13:59:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed, betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed, betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP ←
13:59:17 <antonis> Zakim, ??p0 is me
Antonis Loizou: Zakim, ??p0 is me ←
13:59:19 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
13:59:21 <Zakim> +antonis; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it ←
13:59:31 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
13:59:50 <svillata> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
13:59:50 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←
14:00:17 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
14:00:19 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
14:00:22 <AndyS> zakim, ??P10 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P10 is me ←
14:00:22 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:00:36 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me ←
14:00:36 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
14:00:53 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.117.370.aabb ←
14:00:57 <Zakim> +RezaBfar
Zakim IRC Bot: +RezaBfar ←
14:01:27 <Zakim> - +44.117.370.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.117.370.aabb ←
14:01:44 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
14:02:00 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.775.aacc ←
14:02:11 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:02:24 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.117.370.aadd ←
14:02:36 <Kalpa> zakim, aacc is me
Kalpa Gunaratna: zakim, aacc is me ←
14:02:36 <Zakim> +Kalpa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa; got it ←
14:02:41 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
14:02:51 <ghard> zakim, ??P24 is ghard
Yrjana Rankka: zakim, ??P24 is ghard ←
14:02:51 <Zakim> +ghard; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ghard; got it ←
14:03:46 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:03:58 <jkopecky> zakim, ??P27 is me
Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:03:58 <Zakim> +jkopecky; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jkopecky; got it ←
14:04:42 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:04:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.117.370.aadd, ghard,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.117.370.aadd, ghard, ←
14:04:46 <Zakim> ... jkopecky
Zakim IRC Bot: ... jkopecky ←
14:05:16 <stevebattle> +44.117.370 is me
Steve Battle: +44.117.370 is me ←
14:05:22 <MacTed> Zakim, aadd is stevebattle
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aadd is stevebattle ←
14:05:22 <Zakim> +stevebattle; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle; got it ←
14:06:53 <dret> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
Erik Wilde: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html ←
14:08:04 <Zakim> + +1.778.588.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.778.588.aaee ←
14:08:16 <Zakim> + +1.512.433.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.433.aaff ←
14:09:14 <antonis> scribe: antonis
(Scribe set to Antonis Loizou)
14:09:34 <Ashok_Malhotra> scribenick: antonis
14:09:50 <sandro> zakim, aaee is Lucas
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaee is Lucas ←
14:09:50 <Zakim> +Lucas; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Lucas; got it ←
14:10:11 <sandro> zakim, aaff is Arthur
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaff is Arthur ←
14:10:11 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arthur; got it ←
14:10:47 <sandro> zakim, Arthur is Arthur_Keen
Sandro Hawke: zakim, Arthur is Arthur_Keen ←
14:10:47 <Zakim> +Arthur_Keen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arthur_Keen; got it ←
14:11:10 <antonis> list of editors for use cases and requirements
list of editors for use cases and requirements ←
14:11:29 <antonis> steve battle
steve battle ←
14:12:04 <sandro> zakim, Lucas is Lucas_Panjer
Sandro Hawke: zakim, Lucas is Lucas_Panjer ←
14:12:04 <Zakim> +Lucas_Panjer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Lucas_Panjer; got it ←
14:12:30 <stevebattle> thankyou
Steve Battle: thankyou ←
14:13:16 <antonis> minutes from http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-08-06 approved
RESOLVED: minutes from http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-08-06 approved ←
14:13:34 <antonis> wiki page for f2f meeting set up
wiki page for f2f meeting set up ←
14:13:45 <Ashok_Malhotra> s/minutes/RESOLUTION:minutes/
14:14:06 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1 ←
14:14:26 <antonis> close action-8
14:14:26 <trackbot> ACTION-8 Set up wiki page for the F2F meeting closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-8 Set up wiki page for the F2F meeting closed ←
14:14:29 <antonis> :)
:) ←
14:16:19 <antonis> at this point a parallel F2F in the US is not going to happen due to lack of interest
at this point a parallel F2F in the US is not going to happen due to lack of interest ←
14:18:20 <antonis> particapants in the f2f need to register with TPAC
particapants in the f2f need to register with TPAC ←
14:18:34 <antonis> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/
http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/ ←
14:20:47 <oberger> in case, there seems to be some interest from the WebID community group to meet participants of LDP
Olivier Berger: in case, there seems to be some interest from the WebID community group to meet participants of LDP ←
14:20:59 <oberger> some are participating to both, of course
Olivier Berger: some are participating to both, of course ←
14:21:18 <oberger> I meant, F2F in Lyon
Olivier Berger: I meant, F2F in Lyon ←
14:21:32 <gavinc> -1 to meeting on labor day
Gavin Carothers: -1 to meeting on labor day ←
14:21:35 <antonis> +1 for next monday
+1 for next monday ←
14:21:39 <stevebattle> August 27 is a bank holiday in the UK
Steve Battle: August 27 is a bank holiday in the UK ←
14:21:46 <SteveS> -1 for labor day
Steve Speicher: -1 for labor day ←
14:21:52 <SteveS> +1 for Aug 27
Steve Speicher: +1 for Aug 27 ←
14:22:01 <Ashok_Malhotra> Suggest next meeting Sept 10
Ashok Malhotra: Suggest next meeting Sept 10 ←
14:22:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 next monday ( might not make it )
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 next monday ( might not make it ) ←
14:22:36 <ghard> no preference
Yrjana Rankka: no preference ←
14:22:41 <MacTed> -1 Labor Day
Ted Thibodeau: -1 Labor Day ←
14:22:41 <MacTed> +0 Aug 27 (I expect lower attendance putting a meeting now where we explicitly said none would be)
Ted Thibodeau: +0 Aug 27 (I expect lower attendance putting a meeting now where we explicitly said none would be) ←
14:22:45 <svillata> no preference
Serena Villata: no preference ←
14:22:45 <Zakim> -Lucas_Panjer
Zakim IRC Bot: -Lucas_Panjer ←
14:23:08 <MacTed> +1 pick up on Sept 10
Ted Thibodeau: +1 pick up on Sept 10 ←
14:23:14 <stevebattle> +1 uk
Steve Battle: +1 uk ←
14:23:20 <AndyS> UK
Andy Seaborne: UK ←
14:24:12 <AndyS> Aug 27 is OK by me - it's a sensible time UK.
Andy Seaborne: Aug 27 is OK by me - it's a sensible time UK. ←
14:24:21 <RezaBFar> -1 for labor day
Reza B'Far: -1 for labor day ←
14:24:53 <AndyS> ... if there is a substantive issue to discuss. AndyS at risk next week ... depends on the weather.
Andy Seaborne: ... if there is a substantive issue to discuss. AndyS at risk next week ... depends on the weather. ←
14:26:28 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
14:26:37 <antonis> Use Cases and Requierements need work to become more coherent, consistent and on higher level so that we can track what we are doing wrt the document
Use Cases and Requierements need work to become more coherent, consistent and on higher level so that we can track what we are doing wrt the document ←
14:26:53 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ericP
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ericP ←
14:26:53 <Zakim> ericP should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should now be muted ←
14:27:10 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute ericP
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute ericP ←
14:27:10 <Zakim> ericP should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should no longer be muted ←
14:27:40 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:27:51 <Ashok_Malhotra> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:27:59 <gavinc> +q to check if http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/ is still the input document?
Gavin Carothers: +q to check if http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/ is still the input document? ←
14:30:04 <sandro> +1 stevebattle to discussing first if he feels like it
Sandro Hawke: +1 stevebattle to discussing first if he feels like it ←
14:30:05 <gavinc> -q
Gavin Carothers: -q ←
14:30:37 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←
14:32:56 <stevebattle> Thanks for the feedback, Sandro
Steve Battle: Thanks for the feedback, Sandro ←
14:32:58 <stevebattle> q-
Steve Battle: q- ←
14:33:22 <SteveS> bblish (Henry Story) has ACTION-5 to propose non-rdf content additions to use cases
Steve Speicher: bblish (Henry Story) has ACTION-5 to propose non-rdf content additions to use cases ←
14:34:32 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:34:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:34:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:34:45 <sandro> "This group is based on the idea of combining two Web-related concepts ... RDF ... and ... RESTful APIs". Hard to see how that involved leaving out RDF.
Sandro Hawke: "This group is based on the idea of combining two Web-related concepts ... RDF ... and ... RESTful APIs". Hard to see how that involved leaving out RDF. ←
14:35:00 <sandro> (first sentence in the document.)
Sandro Hawke: (first sentence in the document.) ←
14:35:08 <stevebattle> Do I have a declared action item to propose use-cases updates?
Steve Battle: Do I have a declared action item to propose use-cases updates? ←
14:35:11 <ericP> +1 to at least one RDF serialization
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to at least one RDF serialization ←
14:35:15 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:35:26 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (44%), Arnaud (83%), Ashok_Malhotra (20%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (44%), Arnaud (83%), Ashok_Malhotra (20%) ←
14:37:00 <ericP> q?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q? ←
14:37:56 <Ashok_Malhotra> ack next
Ashok Malhotra: ack next ←
14:38:20 <sandro> zakim, mute ericP
Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute ericP ←
14:38:20 <Zakim> ericP should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should now be muted ←
14:38:53 <ghard> +1 LD != RDF
Yrjana Rankka: +1 LD != RDF ←
14:39:18 <ericP> q+
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ ←
14:39:34 <sandro> zakim, unmute ericP
Sandro Hawke: zakim, unmute ericP ←
14:39:34 <Zakim> ericP should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP should no longer be muted ←
14:39:38 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
14:39:39 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:39:39 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:39:39 <dret> liking that interpretation of LD
Erik Wilde: liking that interpretation of LD ←
14:39:42 <MacTed> ack me
Ted Thibodeau: ack me ←
14:39:45 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:39:45 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:39:48 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (5%), Arnaud (34%), Ashok_Malhotra (48%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (16%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MacTed (5%), Arnaud (34%), Ashok_Malhotra (48%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (16%) ←
14:39:49 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
14:40:02 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to Ted
Ashok Malhotra: +1 to Ted ←
14:40:14 <AndyS> The key must be universal ... = URIs.
Andy Seaborne: The key must be universal ... = URIs. ←
14:41:04 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:41:14 <jkopecky> zakim, mute me
Jacek Kopecky: zakim, mute me ←
14:41:14 <Zakim> jkopecky should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jkopecky should now be muted ←
14:41:17 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (81%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (65%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (81%), jkopecky (5%), ericP (65%) ←
14:41:35 <Ashok_Malhotra> zakim, mute me
Ashok Malhotra: zakim, mute me ←
14:41:35 <Zakim> Ashok_Malhotra should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ashok_Malhotra should now be muted ←
14:41:44 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:41:48 <sandro> q- ericP
Sandro Hawke: q- ericP ←
14:41:53 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:43:15 <gavinc> ack SteveS
Gavin Carothers: ack SteveS ←
14:43:48 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:43:52 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:43:52 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:43:53 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:44:06 <gavinc> sandro: quoting from charter "What is the minimum set of RDF datatypes that must be supported by clients and servers?"
Sandro Hawke: quoting from charter "What is the minimum set of RDF datatypes that must be supported by clients and servers?" [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
14:44:19 <gavinc> sandro: quoting from charter "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD) must be supported by clients and servers?"
Sandro Hawke: quoting from charter "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD) must be supported by clients and servers?" [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
14:44:58 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:45:40 <RezaBFar> The proposal I had put forth 2 weeks ago was not to just create a separation between Model and Serialization the way other examples, for e.g. OMG or Prov did. I was not saying that we exclude RDF, but this kind of thing would allow for accommodating non-RDF stuff later. But, as Arnaud pointed, it didn't seem to get much response from the group.
Reza B'Far: The proposal I had put forth 2 weeks ago was not to just create a separation between Model and Serialization the way other examples, for e.g. OMG or Prov did. I was not saying that we exclude RDF, but this kind of thing would allow for accommodating non-RDF stuff later. But, as Arnaud pointed, it didn't seem to get much response from the group. ←
14:45:54 <Arnaud> ack MacTed
Arnaud Le Hors: ack MacTed ←
14:46:06 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:46:22 <gavinc> +q to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom?
Gavin Carothers: +q to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom? ←
14:47:04 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:47:47 <sandro> "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD)"
Sandro Hawke: "Which RDF serialization syntax (eg Turtle or JSON-LD)" ←
14:48:17 <ArthurK> Zakim, who is here?
Arthur Keen: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:48:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, stevebattle, ghard, jkopecky (muted), Arthur_Keen
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see antonis, dret, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, svillata, sandro, AndyS, SteveS, RezaBfar, Arnaud, Kalpa, stevebattle, ghard, jkopecky (muted), Arthur_Keen ←
14:48:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see ArthurK, LucasPanjer, jkopecky, RezaBFar, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Kalpa, stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ArthurK, LucasPanjer, jkopecky, RezaBFar, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Kalpa, stevebattle, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, dret, BartvanLeeuwen, svillata, ghard, antonis, MacTed, ←
14:48:20 <Zakim> ... betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... betehess, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP ←
14:48:28 <dret> maybe people should start *always* saying "RDF model" or "RDF syntax", just to avoid confusions from now on.
Erik Wilde: maybe people should start *always* saying "RDF model" or "RDF syntax", just to avoid confusions from now on. ←
14:48:51 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:48:53 <sandro> except there is no RDF syntax, but, yes, point taken.
Sandro Hawke: except there is no RDF syntax, but, yes, point taken. ←
14:48:55 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
14:48:59 <sandro> ack gavinc
Sandro Hawke: ack gavinc ←
14:48:59 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom?
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to ask if there are other standards in Linked Data ... are we talking about Atom? ←
14:49:38 <dret> ok, correcting that to say "some RDF sytax, whatever one you may prefer"
Erik Wilde: ok, correcting that to say "some RDF sytax, whatever one you may prefer" ←
14:49:48 <dret> q+
Erik Wilde: q+ ←
14:49:50 <oberger> RDF+XML isn't hard to say
Olivier Berger: RDF+XML isn't hard to say ←
14:50:06 <sandro> gavin: What experience is there with linked data OTHER than RDF?
Gavin Carothers: What experience is there with linked data OTHER than RDF? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:50:28 <sandro> dret: What about the Web? Isn't that linked data?
Erik Wilde: What about the Web? Isn't that linked data? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:50:40 <AndyS> Where can we start? Are there links other than URIs?
Andy Seaborne: Where can we start? Are there links other than URIs? ←
14:50:59 <sandro> gavin: Are we talking about extracting from HTML? CSV?
Gavin Carothers: Are we talking about extracting from HTML? CSV? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:51:18 <sandro> dret: To call anything that you're doing REST, it has to be linked. How you represent your data is up to you.
Erik Wilde: To call anything that you're doing REST, it has to be linked. How you represent your data is up to you. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:51:36 <MacTed> CSV = file format, MIME type, a serialization...
Ted Thibodeau: CSV = file format, MIME type, a serialization... ←
14:51:36 <MacTed> says nothing about whether the data within that CSV is linked (intra- or inter- or extra-) or not
Ted Thibodeau: says nothing about whether the data within that CSV is linked (intra- or inter- or extra-) or not ←
14:51:50 <sandro> dret: json or xml
Erik Wilde: json or xml [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:52:21 <sandro> gavin: So, in that case, what would there be to standardize in "linked data" beyond just "rest" (as you're talking about it).
Gavin Carothers: So, in that case, what would there be to standardize in "linked data" beyond just "rest" (as you're talking about it). [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:53:04 <sandro> dret: Our job would be to define th glue between those established restful patterns, and those doing RDF linked data, and wanting to expose that to a larger group of people -- wanting to expose that in a way that is consistent and can be reused, supported by software and frameworks.
Erik Wilde: Our job would be to define th glue between those established restful patterns, and those doing RDF linked data, and wanting to expose that to a larger group of people -- wanting to expose that in a way that is consistent and can be reused, supported by software and frameworks. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:53:54 <sandro> dret: RDF does not have a model of collections built in, so here is a way to support that. So, the idea here is to bridge those gaps. How do RDF folks expose certain concepts to the broader world.
Erik Wilde: RDF does not have a model of collections built in, so here is a way to support that. So, the idea here is to bridge those gaps. How do RDF folks expose certain concepts to the broader world. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:59:08 <antonis> arnaud: our default approach should be to deliver what is set in the charter and that is RDF. The idea of non-RDF linked data is interesting, but may be too big a problem to tackle
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Arnaud Le Hors: our default approach should be to deliver what is set in the charter and that is RDF. The idea of non-RDF linked data is interesting, but may be too big a problem to tackle ←
15:00:02 <RezaBFar> Sandro - do you think that's feasible or not? You were involved in Prov I believe at some point. I don't necessarily want to drag this out beyond a simple proposal of separation since a religious discussion is not productive.
Reza B'Far: Sandro - do you think that's feasible or not? You were involved in Prov I believe at some point. I don't necessarily want to drag this out beyond a simple proposal of separation since a religious discussion is not productive. ←
15:00:06 <Zakim> -Arthur_Keen
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15:00:16 <dret> arnaud: maybe layers (non-RDF and specifically RDF ) could be an option, but that could be hard to do
Arnaud Le Hors: maybe layers (non-RDF and specifically RDF ) could be an option, but that could be hard to do [ Scribe Assist by Erik Wilde ] ←
15:00:30 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:00:32 <RezaBFar> @Sandro - to be more specific, do you think separation of model and serialization is feasible or should we drop it?
Reza B'Far: @Sandro - to be more specific, do you think separation of model and serialization is feasible or should we drop it? ←
15:00:38 <sandro> RezaBFar, I don't know if it's possible, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot more work.
Sandro Hawke: RezaBFar, I don't know if it's possible, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot more work. ←
15:00:55 <sandro> I'm a big fan or running, interoperable code.
Sandro Hawke: I'm a big fan or running, interoperable code. ←
15:01:03 <sandro> I'm a big fan of running, interoperable code.
Sandro Hawke: I'm a big fan of running, interoperable code. ←
15:01:14 <Arnaud> ack dret
Arnaud Le Hors: ack dret ←
15:01:48 <RezaBFar> Ok.
Reza B'Far: Ok. ←
15:02:13 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:03:27 <antonis> next meeting: 27th Aug
next meeting: 27th Aug ←
15:03:28 <stevebattle> q-
Steve Battle: q- ←
15:03:36 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: next LDP meeting 27-August-2012
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: next LDP meeting 27-August-2012 ←
15:03:47 <dret> no meeting on labor day, then.
Erik Wilde: no meeting on labor day, then. ←
15:04:47 <Arnaud> action: stevebattle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document
ACTION: stevebattle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document ←
15:04:47 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - stevebattle
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15:05:09 <stevebattle> thanks
Steve Battle: thanks ←
15:05:10 <ghard> Cheers
Yrjana Rankka: Cheers ←
15:05:12 <antonis> bye
bye ←
15:05:12 <dret> thanks everybody!
Erik Wilde: thanks everybody! ←
15:05:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> thank bye
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15:05:19 <gavinc> ACTION: Steve to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document
ACTION: Steve to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document ←
15:05:19 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Steve
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15:05:19 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. sspeiche, sbattle2)
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15:05:28 <gavinc> ACTION: sbattle2 to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document
ACTION: sbattle2 to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document ←
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15:05:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document [on Steve Battle - due 2012-08-27].
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15:05:42 <Zakim> Attendees were MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, gavinc, dret, antonis, sandro, svillata, AndyS, SteveS, +44.117.370.aabb, RezaBfar, Arnaud, +1.937.775.aacc, Ashok_Malhotra,
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15:05:42 <Zakim> ... +44.117.370.aadd, Kalpa, ghard, jkopecky, stevebattle, +1.778.588.aaee, +1.512.433.aaff, Arthur_Keen, Lucas_Panjer, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.117.370.aadd, Kalpa, ghard, jkopecky, stevebattle, +1.778.588.aaee, +1.512.433.aaff, Arthur_Keen, Lucas_Panjer, ericP ←
15:06:04 <Arnaud> oops, we now have the same action entered three times?
Arnaud Le Hors: oops, we now have the same action entered three times? ←
15:06:15 <dret> maybe we could make the date for ACTION-9 on friday, so that people can review the proposal before the meeting?
Erik Wilde: maybe we could make the date for ACTION-9 on friday, so that people can review the proposal before the meeting? ←
15:06:37 <sandro> Arnaud, ignore what RRSAgent said about ACTIONS. It's only what trackbot says that's remembered.
Sandro Hawke: Arnaud, ignore what RRSAgent said about ACTIONS. It's only what trackbot says that's remembered. ←
15:06:56 <Arnaud> ah, ok
Arnaud Le Hors: ah, ok ←
15:06:58 <Arnaud> thanks
Arnaud Le Hors: thanks ←
15:07:18 <Arnaud> I think dret's suggestion is good
Arnaud Le Hors: I think dret's suggestion is good ←
15:07:39 <MacTed> action-9?
15:07:39 <trackbot> ACTION-9 -- Steve Battle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document -- due 2012-08-27 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-9 -- Steve Battle to propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document -- due 2012-08-27 -- OPEN ←
15:07:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/9
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15:08:09 <MacTed> there's an edit link on that page (lower right) so you can change date or whatever appropriate
Ted Thibodeau: there's an edit link on that page (lower right) so you can change date or whatever appropriate ←
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