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13:56:21 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-irc ←
13:56:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 181
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs 181 ←
13:56:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
13:56:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
13:56:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:26 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2012
13:56:35 <betehess> chair: Arnaud
13:56:37 <betehess> scribe: Alexandre
(Scribe set to Alexandre Bertails)
13:56:42 <betehess> scribenick: betehess
13:57:18 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
RRSAgent, please generate minutes ←
13:57:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html betehess
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html betehess ←
13:57:34 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
13:57:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS ←
13:57:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP ←
13:57:50 <olberger> cgueret_work: in chinese ?
Christophe Gueret: in chinese ? [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
13:58:13 <olberger> cgueret_work: so yes I can ;)
Christophe Gueret: so yes I can ;) [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
13:58:40 <MacTed> Zakim, this is ldp
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is ldp ←
13:58:40 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, MacTed; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM ←
13:58:44 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
13:58:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, ??P3, +1.510.206.aabb, [IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, ??P3, +1.510.206.aabb, [IBM] ←
13:58:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves, ←
13:58:47 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, ericP ←
13:58:49 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
13:58:53 <Zakim> -??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P3 ←
13:59:03 <Arnaud> it really sounds like he's on this call
Arnaud Le Hors: it really sounds like he's on this call ←
13:59:22 <Zakim> + +329331aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aacc ←
13:59:29 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
13:59:33 <AndyS> zakim, ??P7 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
13:59:33 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
13:59:41 <ruben1> zakim, aacc is ruben
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, aacc is ruben ←
13:59:42 <Zakim> +ruben; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ruben; got it ←
13:59:43 <Zakim> +Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre ←
13:59:43 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
13:59:43 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
13:59:45 <dret> zakim, dret is +1.510.206.aabb
Erik Wilde: zakim, dret is +1.510.206.aabb ←
13:59:45 <Zakim> sorry, dret, I do not recognize a party named 'dret'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dret, I do not recognize a party named 'dret' ←
13:59:49 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is making noise? ←
13:59:52 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, code? ←
13:59:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed ←
14:00:00 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (63%), ??P1 (39%), +1.408.996.aaaa (7%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (63%), ??P1 (39%), +1.408.996.aaaa (7%) ←
14:00:02 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink] ←
14:00:05 <dret> zakim, +1.510.206.aabb is dret
Erik Wilde: zakim, +1.510.206.aabb is dret ←
14:00:05 <Zakim> +dret; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dret; got it ←
14:00:16 <Zakim> + +44.190.863.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.190.863.aadd ←
14:00:20 <Zakim> +Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←
14:00:20 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←
14:00:20 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
14:00:22 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:23 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
14:00:25 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:00:27 <betehess> Arnaud: welcome everybody
Arnaud Le Hors: welcome everybody ←
14:00:29 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
14:00:33 <Zakim> + +1.361.279.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.361.279.aaee ←
14:00:49 <ruben1> Zakim, mute me
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, mute me ←
14:00:49 <Zakim> ruben should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ruben should now be muted ←
14:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.845.433.aaff ←
14:01:07 <kalpa> could I know the code for the phone number to connect?
Kalpa Gunaratna: could I know the code for the phone number to connect? ←
14:01:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, cygri is with me ←
14:01:18 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
14:01:19 <ruben1> code is LDPWG
Ruben Verborgh: code is LDPWG ←
14:01:22 <ericP> Zakim, aaff is john
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, aaff is john ←
14:01:22 <Zakim> +john; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it ←
14:01:37 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:01:45 <olberger> can the roomate of the chinese speaker please mute ?
Olivier Berger: can the roomate of the chinese speaker please mute ? ←
14:01:47 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (76%), ??P1 (42%), +1.408.996.aaaa (50%), ??P14 (5%), +1.361.279.aaee (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (76%), ??P1 (42%), +1.408.996.aaaa (50%), ??P14 (5%), +1.361.279.aaee (5%) ←
14:01:51 <ghard> Zakim, ??P14 is ghard
Yrjana Rankka: Zakim, ??P14 is ghard ←
14:01:51 <Zakim> +ghard; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ghard; got it ←
14:01:52 <kalpa> in the conference call settings, is the code 53794?
Kalpa Gunaratna: in the conference call settings, is the code 53794? ←
14:01:59 <ruben1> code is 53794
Ruben Verborgh: code is 53794 ←
14:02:03 <MacTed> kalpa - yes
Ted Thibodeau: kalpa - yes ←
14:02:08 <kalpa> okay thnx
Kalpa Gunaratna: okay thnx ←
14:02:14 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, dret, [IBM], ??P6, ruben (muted), AndyS, MacTed (muted), +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, mhausenblas, ghard, +1.361.279.aaee, john
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, dret, [IBM], ??P6, ruben (muted), AndyS, MacTed (muted), +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, mhausenblas, ghard, +1.361.279.aaee, john ←
14:02:25 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri ←
14:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Andras, cygri, ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Andras, cygri, ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, ←
14:02:35 <Zakim> ... olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP ←
14:02:41 <betehess> Arnaud: fore the first cll, thought it would be useful to see how we'll proceed
Arnaud Le Hors: fore the first cll, thought it would be useful to see how we'll proceed ←
14:02:49 <cgueret_work> Zakim, who is noisy?
Christophe Gueret: Zakim, who is noisy? ←
14:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.775.aagg ←
14:02:57 <betehess> ... worked with the staff to see how we'll do that
... worked with the staff to see how we'll do that ←
14:03:00 <Zakim> cgueret_work, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (33%), ??P1 (15%), +1.408.996.aaaa (90%)
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret_work, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (33%), ??P1 (15%), +1.408.996.aaaa (90%) ←
14:03:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p0
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ??p0 ←
14:03:03 <Zakim> ??P0 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ??P0 should now be muted ←
14:03:06 <ericP> Zakim, please mute aaaa
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please mute aaaa ←
14:03:06 <Zakim> +1.408.996.aaaa should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: +1.408.996.aaaa should now be muted ←
14:03:10 <ericP> Zakim, please unmute aaaa
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please unmute aaaa ←
14:03:10 <Zakim> +1.408.996.aaaa should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: +1.408.996.aaaa should no longer be muted ←
14:03:13 <cgueret_work> :)
Christophe Gueret: :) ←
14:03:22 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p1
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ??p1 ←
14:03:22 <Zakim> ??P1 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ??P1 should now be muted ←
14:03:31 <ericP> Zakim, aaaa is Arnaud
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, aaaa is Arnaud ←
14:03:31 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud; got it ←
14:03:38 <betehess> ... when we have no remaining issues, then we're done
... when we have no remaining issues, then we're done ←
14:03:51 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mkerrin is with me
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, mkerrin is with me ←
14:03:51 <Zakim> +mkerrin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mkerrin; got it ←
14:03:53 <betehess> ... in term of expectation, we are driven by the charter
... in term of expectation, we are driven by the charter ←
14:04:00 <betehess> ... it sets the scope and deliverables
... it sets the scope and deliverables ←
14:04:08 <betehess> ... there are 4 of them
... there are 4 of them ←
14:04:16 <betehess> ... there is a note about ACLs
... there is a note about ACLs ←
14:04:38 <betehess> ... as some people said it was an important issues, other people disagreed
... as some people said it was an important issues, other people disagreed ←
14:04:44 <Zakim> +??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28 ←
14:04:47 <betehess> ... because it may consume too much resource
... because it may consume too much resource ←
14:04:53 <betehess> ... the note was a compromise
... the note was a compromise ←
14:05:09 <betehess> ... the last deliverable is a test suite
... the last deliverable is a test suite ←
14:05:10 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P28 is rgarcia
Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P28 is rgarcia ←
14:05:10 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it ←
14:05:19 <dret> yes, i will try to do so, we will talk about how to update use cases and requirements later. everybody should have the opportunity to contribute.
Erik Wilde: yes, i will try to do so, we will talk about how to update use cases and requirements later. everybody should have the opportunity to contribute. ←
14:05:21 <betehess> ... for me, the note and the TS are secondary for now
... for me, the note and the TS are secondary for now ←
14:05:26 <betehess> ... we need to focus on the spec
... we need to focus on the spec ←
14:05:35 <Andras> Zakim, +1.361.279.aaee is Andras
András Micsik: Zakim, +1.361.279.aaee is Andras ←
14:05:35 <Zakim> +Andras; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Andras; got it ←
14:05:42 <betehess> .... we have a starting point: the IBM submission
.... we have a starting point: the IBM submission ←
14:05:49 <betehess> ... we'll develop from it
... we'll develop from it ←
14:06:01 <betehess> ... we have some use-cases as well
... we have some use-cases as well ←
14:06:42 <betehess> ... we're free to change whatever we need, even though this is the starting point (as it's said in the charter)
... we're free to change whatever we need, even though this is the starting point (as it's said in the charter) ←
14:06:53 <mhausenblas> I think we really need to put some efforts into the UC (and derive requirements, properly)
Michael Hausenblas: I think we really need to put some efforts into the UC (and derive requirements, properly) ←
14:07:23 <betehess> ... we need to identify the questions and see how the Submission answers them
... we need to identify the questions and see how the Submission answers them ←
14:07:36 <betehess> ... sure that you guys have plenty of questions
... sure that you guys have plenty of questions ←
14:07:37 <dret> yes, that's the first big task for the group. what exactly are we doing; what are we not doing?
Erik Wilde: yes, that's the first big task for the group. what exactly are we doing; what are we not doing? ←
14:07:45 <betehess> ... that's a practical way to get started
... that's a practical way to get started ←
14:07:57 <betehess> .... we stay focus on producing a set of documents
.... we stay focus on producing a set of documents ←
14:08:02 <betehess> ... sounds reasonable?
... sounds reasonable? ←
14:08:28 <betehess> ... we can also considerer other materials
... we can also considerer other materials ←
14:08:36 <betehess> ... I welcome any reference to them
... I welcome any reference to them ←
14:08:43 <dret> who is there?
Erik Wilde: who is there? ←
14:08:45 <betehess> ... there may be other ways to do things
... there may be other ways to do things ←
14:09:01 <betehess> ... it's useful to have these references
... it's useful to have these references ←
14:09:10 <betehess> ... eg. the sparql graph store protocol
... eg. the sparql graph store protocol ←
14:09:18 <betehess> ... there is obviously some overlap
... there is obviously some overlap ←
14:09:48 <betehess> ... if there is a good reason to compete there, we need to document it
... if there is a good reason to compete there, we need to document it ←
14:10:00 <betehess> dret: good intro, welcome everybody
Erik Wilde: good intro, welcome everybody ←
14:10:09 <betehess> Arnaud: for today, we want everybody on the same page
Arnaud Le Hors: for today, we want everybody on the same page ←
14:10:26 <betehess> ... @@ will give you an overview of the Submission
... Steve will give you an overview of the Submission ←
14:10:39 <mhausenblas> s/@@/Steve
14:10:53 <AndyS> s/@@/Steve Speicher/
14:11:11 <betehess> SteveS: how should I proceed? should I just take questions?
Steve Speicher: how should I proceed? should I just take questions? ←
14:11:24 <betehess> Arnaud: depends on the team. just make sure it's recorded
Arnaud Le Hors: depends on the team. just make sure it's recorded ←
14:11:38 <MacTed> +1 skim to start, inline questions if necessary, issues and more detailed feedback later...
Ted Thibodeau: +1 skim to start, inline questions if necessary, issues and more detailed feedback later... ←
14:11:38 <Yves> issues needs to be on the ML
Yves Lafon: issues needs to be on the ML ←
14:12:00 <betehess> Arnaud: there is a bot on IRC to record issues
Arnaud Le Hors: there is a bot on IRC to record issues ←
14:12:23 <betehess> Yves: for issues, the best is to start with an email on the ML
Yves Lafon: for issues, the best is to start with an email on the ML ←
14:12:35 <betehess> ... so that we can refer to it from trackbot
... so that we can refer to it from trackbot ←
14:12:54 <betehess> ... then you can put the reference in IRC
... then you can put the reference in IRC ←
14:13:02 <betehess> Arnaud: ok
Arnaud Le Hors: ok ←
14:13:13 <betehess> ... so if people are questions, just raise them on IRC
... so if people are questions, just raise them on IRC ←
14:13:22 <betehess> ... for real issues, please send an email to the list
... for real issues, please send an email to the list ←
14:13:26 <SteveS> Member Submission envelope page http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/
Steve Speicher: Member Submission envelope page http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/ ←
14:13:41 <SteveS> Use case and requirements http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/
Steve Speicher: Use case and requirements http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/ ←
14:13:46 <mhausenblas> BTW, the tracker for this WG is here: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/
Michael Hausenblas: BTW, the tracker for this WG is here: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/ ←
14:13:46 <betehess> SteveS: that's a like to the cover page of the Member Submission
Steve Speicher: that's a like to the cover page of the Member Submission ←
14:13:49 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbpucr-20120326/
Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbpucr-20120326/ ←
14:13:49 <ericP> topic: Submission walk-through
14:14:18 <betehess> SteveS: want to focus on why this is important for us
Steve Speicher: want to focus on why this is important for us ←
14:14:29 <betehess> ... related to the workshop we had
... related to the workshop we had ←
14:15:26 <betehess> ... my background is system integration
... my background is system integration ←
14:15:34 <olberger> mhausenblas: https://twitter.com/#!/sspeiche too
Michael Hausenblas: https://twitter.com/#!/sspeiche too [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
14:16:59 <betehess> ... I'm doing that at IBM
... I'm doing that at IBM ←
14:16:59 <betehess> ... our problem was integration between tools
... our problem was integration between tools ←
14:16:59 <betehess> ... we needed some glue code for the data
... we needed some glue code for the data ←
14:17:01 <betehess> ... and we needed to work with 3rd parties
... and we needed to work with 3rd parties ←
14:17:03 <betehess> ... data was spread in different silos
... data was spread in different silos ←
14:17:08 <betehess> ... very limited success
... very limited success ←
14:17:09 <betehess> ... we started with "rules" from timbl
... we started with "rules" from timbl ←
14:18:33 <betehess> [steve is going through their experience and needs at IBM]
[steve is going through their experience and needs at IBM] ←
Olivier Berger: IBM Rational ←
14:19:44 <betehess> SteveS: we need gather lots of different data
Steve Speicher: we need gather lots of different data ←
14:20:55 <betehess> Arnaud: we'll all contribute to this document
Arnaud Le Hors: we'll all contribute to this document ←
14:21:03 <Zakim> -??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6 ←
14:21:08 <betehess> ... maybe we could move this content to a wiki page?
... maybe we could move this content to a wiki page? ←
14:21:20 <betehess> ... ericP, how do we work?
... erik, how do we work? ←
14:21:36 <betehess> ... only one person who edits the page? or everybody can?
... only one person who edits the page? or everybody can? ←
14:21:58 <MacTed> +1 chaotic wiki to start, organized polish later
Ted Thibodeau: +1 chaotic wiki to start, organized polish later ←
14:22:05 <cgueret_work> +1 to everyone edit
Christophe Gueret: +1 to everyone edit ←
14:22:07 <ericP> s/ericP, how do we work?/erik, how do we work?/
14:22:16 <betehess> SteveS: who's taking the action?
Steve Speicher: who's taking the action? ←
14:22:21 <betehess> Arnaud: I will
Arnaud Le Hors: I will ←
14:22:58 <betehess> Arnaud: so to get started, people can add their use-cases
Arnaud Le Hors: so to get started, people can add their use-cases ←
14:23:09 <betehess> ... then we can review as a group what belongs there
... then we can review as a group what belongs there ←
14:23:15 <betehess> dret: ok
Erik Wilde: ok ←
14:23:39 <SteveS> Linked Data Basic Profile 1.0 Member Submission - http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/
Steve Speicher: Linked Data Basic Profile 1.0 Member Submission - http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/ ←
14:23:44 <betehess> Arnaud: let's move on to the spec
Arnaud Le Hors: let's move on to the spec ←
14:23:57 <olberger> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ldbp/
Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/Submission/ldbp/ ←
14:24:09 <betehess> dret: this documentation tries to capture some of the requirements and use-cases
Steve Speicher: this documentation tries to capture some of the requirements and use-cases ←
14:24:23 <betehess> ... we look at patterns that have emerged
... we look at patterns that have emerged ←
14:24:34 <betehess> ... http/rdf best practices
... http/rdf best practices ←
14:24:37 <dret> it's SteveS talking now, not me
Erik Wilde: it's SteveS talking now, not me ←
14:24:41 <betehess> ... how to read linked data
... how to read linked data ←
14:24:50 <ericP> s/dret/SteveS/
14:25:43 <betehess> ... we don't go through acls, security, etc.
... we don't go through acls, security, etc. ←
14:25:49 <betehess> ... or schema-like things
... or schema-like things ←
14:26:08 <betehess> ... some terminology: we made sure we didn't create anything new
... some terminology: we made sure we didn't create anything new ←
14:26:21 <betehess> ... if we do so, we define the terms
... if we do so, we define the terms ←
14:26:30 <betehess> ... jump to section 4
... jump to section 4 ←
14:26:44 <betehess> ... what are resources in this context?
... what are resources in this context? ←
14:26:48 <ericP> SteveS, we introduce Basic Profile Resource and Basic Profile Container
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SteveS, we introduce Basic Profile Resource and Basic Profile Container ←
14:27:07 <ghard> Aren't the container hierarchies already sufficiently expressed in SIOC/AtomOWL?
Yrjana Rankka: Aren't the container hierarchies already sufficiently expressed in SIOC/AtomOWL? ←
14:27:17 <betehess> ... what are the relationship with the type of resources, the value types, the vocabulary
... what are the relationship with the type of resources, the value types, the vocabulary ←
14:27:35 <betehess> ... some stuff is already defined in HTTP
... some stuff is already defined in HTTP ←
14:28:35 <betehess> ... RDF is not the only thing
... RDF is not the only thing ←
14:28:48 <betehess> ... stable urls are used across definitions of the resource
... stable urls are used across definitions of the resource ←
14:29:08 <betehess> ... the response must have the right urls to help not having different names
... the response must have the right urls to help not having different names ←
14:29:37 <betehess> ... people must be speaking about the same things
... people must be speaking about the same things ←
14:29:52 <betehess> ... there are some requirements about RDF type
... there are some requirements about RDF type ←
14:30:12 <betehess> ... you should not have to infer it
... you should not have to infer it ←
14:30:22 <betehess> ... keep it as simple as possible
... keep it as simple as possible ←
14:30:37 <betehess> ... uris are resolvable, hence the use of http
... uris are resolvable, hence the use of http ←
14:30:56 <betehess> ... we can provide an rdf schema to know more about the data
... we can provide an rdf schema to know more about the data ←
14:31:26 <ericP> SteveS: we restrict ourselves to a set of known datatypes
Steve Speicher: we restrict ourselves to a set of known datatypes [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
14:32:28 <betehess> ... use triple for relationships between resources
... use triple for relationships between resources ←
14:32:44 <ericP> ... (instead of inventing a link relationship)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... (instead of inventing a link relationship) ←
14:32:45 <betehess> ... don't create a weird machinery
... don't create a weird machinery ←
14:33:10 <betehess> ... etags should help for caching scenarios
... etags should help for caching scenarios ←
14:33:25 <olberger> 4.2 : verbs
Olivier Berger: 4.2 : verbs ←
14:33:32 <betehess> ... so of course, GET must be supported
... so of course, GET must be supported ←
14:34:07 <betehess> ... there are questions about which serialisations to support
... there are questions about which serialisations to support ←
14:34:10 <ericP> ... MUST support application/rdf+xml, SHOULD support text/turtle
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... MUST support application/rdf+xml, SHOULD support text/turtle ←
14:34:40 <betehess> ... the type of the resource is not expected to change
... the type of the resource is not expected to change ←
14:35:29 <betehess> q?
q? ←
14:36:15 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask about process
Michael Hausenblas: q+ to ask about process ←
14:36:20 <Zakim> + +1.512.651.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.651.aahh ←
14:36:25 <betehess> ... the etag questions was raised on the ML by leigh dodds
... the etag questions was raised on the ML by leigh dodds ←
14:36:34 <cygri> commonscribe++
Richard Cyganiak: commonscribe++ ←
14:36:45 <betehess> mhausenblas: some WG started to use commonscribe, but no problem here
Michael Hausenblas: some WG started to use commonscribe, but no problem here ←
14:36:57 <Arthur> zakim, +1.512.651.aahh is me
Arthur Keen: zakim, +1.512.651.aahh is me ←
14:36:57 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arthur; got it ←
14:37:09 <betehess> ericP: how complex is it?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: how complex is it? ←
14:37:11 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:37:14 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/
Michael Hausenblas: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ ←
14:37:18 <betehess> mhausenblas: ask sandro
Michael Hausenblas: ask sandro ←
14:37:27 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:37:41 <betehess> ericP: I'll do
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I'll do ←
14:38:01 <betehess> SteveS: section 4.3
Steve Speicher: section 4.3 ←
14:38:06 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe
ACTION: ericP to ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe ←
14:38:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-06-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-1 - Ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-06-25]. ←
14:38:22 <betehess> ... http post works as expected....
... http post works as expected.... ←
14:38:36 <olberger> mhausenblas: obviously not ;)
Michael Hausenblas: obviously not ;) [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
14:38:58 <Zakim> -??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P34 ←
14:39:11 <betehess> ... http put brings some problems, like how to deal with state and modifications
... http put brings some problems, like how to deal with state and modifications ←
14:39:27 <betehess> ... 4.4 defines the expected behaviour
... 4.4 defines the expected behaviour ←
14:39:42 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:39:50 <betehess> ... want to ensure that data can be updated
... want to ensure that data can be updated ←
14:40:21 <mhausenblas> ack me
Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←
14:40:21 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask about process
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to ask about process ←
14:40:36 <betehess> mhausenblas: what is the possibility re: handling issues?
Michael Hausenblas: what is the possibility re: handling issues? ←
14:40:49 <ericP> MIG531 has Sandro
Eric Prud'hommeaux: MIG531 has Sandro ←
14:40:56 <betehess> ... someone raises one and the chairs is the one deciding if it's reasonable?
... someone raises one and the chairs is the one deciding if it's reasonable? ←
14:41:00 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro; got it ←
14:41:05 <betehess> Arnaud: good question
Arnaud Le Hors: good question ←
14:41:10 <betehess> ... let's be democratic
... let's be democratic ←
14:41:19 <betehess> ... so I'm tempted to let anybody to bring issues
... so I'm tempted to let anybody to bring issues ←
14:41:36 <betehess> mhausenblas: raising issues is cheap, anybody can to it
Michael Hausenblas: raising issues is cheap, anybody can to it ←
14:41:48 <betehess> ... but who decides how to go from 'raised to 'open?
... but who decides how to go from 'raised to 'open? ←
14:42:04 <ghard> +1 be easy on raising issues. Can amend policy later if pro�ves infeasible.
Yrjana Rankka: +1 be easy on raising issues. Can amend policy later if pro�ves infeasible. ←
14:42:08 <betehess> ... does not have to be decided now, just need a policy
... does not have to be decided now, just need a policy ←
14:42:23 <MacTed> +1 anyone RAISE; Chair may arbitrarily bump to OPEN; WG as whole should decide to reject/close/ignore/etc....
Ted Thibodeau: +1 anyone RAISE; Chair may arbitrarily bump to OPEN; WG as whole should decide to reject/close/ignore/etc.... ←
14:42:30 <betehess> ... everybody should be able to raise issues
... everybody should be able to raise issues ←
14:42:38 <betehess> ... and then let the chairs to accept them
... and then let the chairs to accept them ←
14:42:51 <betehess> ... to make sure we're not going out of scope
... to make sure we're not going out of scope ←
14:42:57 <betehess> dret: sounds reasonable
Erik Wilde: sounds reasonable ←
14:43:09 <ericP> PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE and issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc
PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE and issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc ←
14:43:14 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
14:43:23 <betehess> Arnaud: yes, also people can alway complains if something going wrong
Arnaud Le Hors: yes, also people can alway complains if something going wrong ←
14:43:32 <Yves> +1
Yves Lafon: +1 ←
14:43:35 <betehess> +1
+1 ←
14:43:36 <ghard> +1
Yrjana Rankka: +1 ←
14:43:40 <ericP> PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE an issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc
PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE an issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc ←
14:43:43 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:43:44 <JohnArwe> +1
14:43:47 <cygri> �+1
Richard Cyganiak: �+1 ←
14:43:48 <MacTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
14:43:51 <svillata> +1
Serena Villata: +1 ←
14:43:53 <Andras> +1
András Micsik: +1 ←
14:43:55 <ericP> APPROVED
Eric Prud'hommeaux: APPROVED ←
14:43:56 <ruben1> +1
Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←
14:43:56 <dret> +1
Erik Wilde: +1 ←
14:44:02 <Arthur> +1
Arthur Keen: +1 ←
14:44:43 <betehess> SteveS: of course, DELETE means delete
Steve Speicher: of course, DELETE means delete ←
14:44:46 <ericP> topic: Summarizing remaining bits of LDBP
14:44:52 <betehess> ... it may affect other things
... it may affect other things ←
14:45:09 <betehess> ... PATCH is a good way to do things, but we have no solution here yet
... PATCH is a good way to do things, but we have no solution here yet ←
14:45:11 <ericP> SteveS: we've not supplied a proposed PATCH format
Steve Speicher: we've not supplied a proposed PATCH format [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
14:45:19 <ericP> ... there's a TurtlePatch on the W3C wiki
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there's a TurtlePatch on the W3C wiki ←
14:45:20 <betehess> ... we're still experimenting
... we're still experimenting ←
14:45:33 <ericP> ... we're working on somthing of our own and are happy to bring it to the group
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we're working on somthing of our own and are happy to bring it to the group ←
14:45:46 <Yves> note that we need to test things, so having a patch format (even incomplete) would be useful
Yves Lafon: note that we need to test things, so having a patch format (even incomplete) would be useful ←
14:46:00 <betehess> ... re: Container, I won't go into details
... re: Container, I won't go into details ←
14:46:21 <betehess> ... it reflect the patterns we've observed
... it reflect the patterns we've observed ←
14:46:31 <betehess> ... eg. how you get list of resources
... eg. how you get list of resources ←
14:46:35 <ericP> SteveS: factory URLs are the same as Container URLs
Steve Speicher: factory URLs are the same as Container URLs [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
14:46:39 <betehess> ... especially when they are big
... especially when they are big ←
14:46:58 <betehess> ... also, you don't always want to fetch all urls you found
... also, you don't always want to fetch all urls you found ←
14:47:18 <betehess> ... there are examples for that
... there are examples for that ←
14:47:51 <betehess> ... the Containers also deal with how to create resources
... the Containers also deal with how to create resources ←
14:48:02 <betehess> ... and see how it relates to the model
... and see how it relates to the model ←
14:48:19 <betehess> ... there is an example to get the container with content
... there is an example to get the container with content ←
14:48:57 <Zakim> -Andras
Zakim IRC Bot: -Andras ←
14:49:14 <betehess> ... 4.5.2 deals with retrieving partial data
... 4.5.2 deals with retrieving partial data ←
14:49:28 <betehess> ... you say what you're interested in
... you say what you're interested in ←
14:49:51 <SteveS> GET /container1?non-member-properties HTTP/1.1
Steve Speicher: GET /container1?non-member-properties HTTP/1.1 ←
14:49:52 <SteveS> Host: example.org
Steve Speicher: Host: example.org ←
14:49:52 <SteveS> Accept: text/turtle; charset=UTF-8
Steve Speicher: Accept: text/turtle; charset=UTF-8 ←
14:50:02 <betehess> ... just pasted an example from the spec
... just pasted an example from the spec ←
14:50:23 <betehess> ... where you say what property you're interested in
... where you say what property you're interested in ←
14:50:38 <betehess> ... 5.1.3 allows pagins
... 5.1.3 allows paging ←
14:50:46 <betehess> ... can be decided by the server
... can be decided by the server ←
14:50:52 <ericP> http://example.org/container1?firstPage
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://example.org/container1?firstPage ←
14:50:55 <JohnArwe> s/pagins/paging/
14:51:05 <betehess> ... so you need to go back to the server to get the rest
... so you need to go back to the server to get the rest ←
14:51:34 <betehess> ... we found that there are other things that you may want to do
... we found that there are other things that you may want to do ←
14:51:39 <betehess> ... we kept it simple
... we kept it simple ←
14:52:06 <betehess> ... also, performance are important
... also, performance are important ←
14:52:07 <ghard> 206 partial content?
Yrjana Rankka: 206 partial content? ←
14:52:08 <ericP> server passed back a document with identifies bp:nextPage, e.g. http://example.org/container1?p=2
Eric Prud'hommeaux: server passed back a document with identifies bp:nextPage, e.g. http://example.org/container1?p=2 ←
14:52:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: Wondering if we can really re-use RFC5005 as pointed out by dret - will you raise an issue on that, dret?
Michael Hausenblas: Wondering if we can really re-use RFC5005 as pointed out by dret - will you raise an issue on that, dret? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:52:38 <ghard> k
Yrjana Rankka: k ←
14:52:46 <betehess> ... there are other models than that
... there are other models than that ←
14:52:46 <ericP> SteveS: i think 206 involves splitting a document
Steve Speicher: i think 206 involves splitting a document [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
14:53:02 <olberger> RFC 5005 - Feed Paging and Archiving
Olivier Berger: RFC 5005 - Feed Paging and Archiving ←
14:53:05 <betehess> ... re: ordering, again, there are other solutions
... re: ordering, again, there are other solutions ←
14:53:29 <betehess> ... interesting in OLO
... interesting in OLO ←
14:53:41 <ericP> -> http://smiy.sourceforge.net/olo/spec/orderedlistontology.html Ordered List Ontology
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://smiy.sourceforge.net/olo/spec/orderedlistontology.html Ordered List Ontology ←
14:54:02 <betehess> ... the model already has the predicates
... the model already has the predicates ←
14:54:09 <betehess> ... the server can include new statements
... the server can include new statements ←
14:54:39 <betehess> ... the default ordering is the one in SPARQL
... the default ordering is the one in SPARQL ←
14:55:10 <betehess> Arnaud: thank you steve
Arnaud Le Hors: thank you steve ←
14:55:37 <betehess> ... best way to ask questions: send them to the list
... best way to ask questions: send them to the list ←
14:55:38 <dret> generally speaking, we should raise the question of how much we want to reuse existing machinery/standards
Erik Wilde: generally speaking, we should raise the question of how much we want to reuse existing machinery/standards ←
14:56:33 <betehess> ... I'd like to ask people to send reference to related work
... I'd like to ask people to send reference to related work ←
14:57:04 <betehess> ... graph store protocol is a w3c spec, so we really cannot ignore it
... graph store protocol is a w3c spec, so we really cannot ignore it ←
14:57:09 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/http-rdf-update/#http-post -> SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2012/01/http-rdf-update/#http-post -> SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol ←
14:57:24 <betehess> ... maybe LeeF can bring some history here?
... maybe LeeF can bring some history here? ←
14:57:32 <betehess> ... maybe not on the phone
... maybe not on the phone ←
14:57:41 <ghard> http://sioc-project.org/ontology re containers
Yrjana Rankka: http://sioc-project.org/ontology re containers ←
14:58:10 <mhausenblas> dret, what would the answer to such a question be? as much as possible? I don't think it makes sense in the general case. we need to write down the requirements (based on the UC) and of course we should re-use as much as possible and avoid NIH syndrome :)
Michael Hausenblas: dret, what would the answer to such a question be? as much as possible? I don't think it makes sense in the general case. we need to write down the requirements (based on the UC) and of course we should re-use as much as possible and avoid NIH syndrome :) ←
14:58:14 <sandro> action: sandro set up commonscribe
ACTION: sandro set up commonscribe ←
14:58:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Set up commonscribe [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-06-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-2 - Set up commonscribe [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-06-25]. ←
14:58:39 <betehess> ericP: sandro is taking the action re: commonscribe
Eric Prud'hommeaux: sandro is taking the action re: commonscribe ←
14:58:43 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: Lee said back at 10:45 he was unable to attend this call
Arnaud Le Hors: Lee said back at 10:45 he was unable to attend this call [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:58:55 <dret> mhausenblas, NIH is a big risk, but you're right, we need a frame of reference
Erik Wilde: mhausenblas, NIH is a big risk, but you're right, we need a frame of reference ←
14:59:03 <betehess> Arnaud: thank you all
Arnaud Le Hors: thank you all ←
14:59:06 <betehess> ... adjourned
... adjourned ←
14:59:06 <Zakim> - +44.190.863.aadd
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14:59:07 <cgueret_work> bye
Christophe Gueret: bye ←
14:59:07 <Zakim> -john
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14:59:08 <Zakim> -Arthur
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14:59:08 <ghard> Bye
Yrjana Rankka: Bye ←
14:59:09 <Zakim> -rgarcia
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14:59:10 <olberger> thanks all
Olivier Berger: thanks all ←
14:59:11 <Zakim> -dret
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14:59:11 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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14:59:12 <Zakim> -[IBM]
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14:59:12 <Zakim> -Yves
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14:59:13 <Zakim> -MacTed
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14:59:14 <Zakim> -ruben
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14:59:15 <mhausenblas> Michael: thanks all and looking forward!
Michael Hausenblas: thanks all and looking forward! [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:59:16 <Zakim> -AndyS
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14:59:17 <betehess> RRSAgent:, please generate minutes
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14:59:17 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', please generate minutes', betehess. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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14:59:18 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aagg
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14:59:21 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
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14:59:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html betehess
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14:59:22 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
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14:59:25 <Zakim> -ghard
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14:59:26 <Zakim> -??P0
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14:59:54 <svillata> -svillata
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15:00:45 <betehess> trackbot, end telecon
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15:00:45 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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15:00:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.408.996.aaaa, [IBM], +329331aacc, AndyS, ruben, dret, Alexandre, ericP, +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, MacTed, mhausenblas, +1.845.433.aaff,
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15:00:46 <AndyS> adjourned
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15:00:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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15:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
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15:01:08 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
Michael Hausenblas: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
15:02:50 <ericP> sandro proposed that as well
Eric Prud'hommeaux: sandro proposed that as well ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, ??P1, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
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15:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.996.aaaa, [IBM], +329331aacc, AndyS, ruben, dret, Alexandre, ericP, +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, MacTed, mhausenblas, +1.845.433.aaff, cygri, john, ghard,
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15:05:02 <Zakim> ... +1.937.775.aagg, Arnaud, mkerrin, rgarcia, Andras, Arthur, Sandro
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15:09:18 <olberger> Is there a RDF profile for the WG ?
Olivier Berger: Is there a RDF profile for the WG ? ←
15:11:00 <sandro> hmmm. what would that mean?
Sandro Hawke: hmmm. what would that mean? ←
15:11:25 <olberger> some kind of a DOAP document for the WG participants for instance
Olivier Berger: some kind of a DOAP document for the WG participants for instance ←
15:12:53 <Arnaud> I have to admit not to know what you're talking about
Arnaud Le Hors: I have to admit not to know what you're talking about ←
15:13:32 <olberger> Arnaud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description_of_a_Project
Arnaud Le Hors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description_of_a_Project [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
15:13:58 <olberger> I could add this to my FOAF profile in order to state my participation to the WG, for instance
Olivier Berger: I could link this to my FOAF profile in order to state my participation to the WG, for instance ←
15:14:05 <olberger> s/add/link/
15:14:11 <Arnaud> ah ok
Arnaud Le Hors: ah ok ←
15:14:16 <Arnaud> now I understand :)
Arnaud Le Hors: now I understand :) ←
15:14:31 <olberger> i.e. eating our own dog feed at least for GET parts of the LDP
Olivier Berger: i.e. eating our own dog feed at least for GET parts of the LDP ←
15:14:40 <sandro> It would be nice.
Sandro Hawke: It would be nice. ←
15:14:48 <Arnaud> I don't see any reason not to
Arnaud Le Hors: I don't see any reason not to ←
15:15:01 <Arnaud> would you care to propose one?
Arnaud Le Hors: would you care to propose one? ←
15:15:08 <olberger> yeah... wondering if the wiki of W3.org is semantic
Olivier Berger: yeah... wondering if the wiki of W3.org is semantic ←
15:15:16 <olberger> or the portal
Olivier Berger: or the portal ←
15:15:33 <olberger> Arnaud: I may
Arnaud Le Hors: I may [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
15:15:40 <Arnaud> that's a question for the team
Arnaud Le Hors: that's a question for the team ←
15:15:55 <Arnaud> I don't see why anyone would object
Arnaud Le Hors: I don't see why anyone would object ←
15:16:07 <Arnaud> ok
Arnaud Le Hors: ok ←
15:16:56 <sandro> There's a web-accessible database of the people in the group, but unfortunately it's not currently RDF and doesn't have IRIs for the members. :-( http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/api/dump
Sandro Hawke: There's a web-accessible database of the people in the group, but unfortunately it's not currently RDF and doesn't have IRIs for the members. :-( http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/api/dump ←
15:17:21 <olberger> funny
Olivier Berger: funny ←
15:17:52 <sandro> The first part of that I could probably fix, but the user profiles don't seem to want to dive in ahead of the curve on user identity IRIs.
Sandro Hawke: The first part of that I could probably fix, but the user profiles don't seem to want to dive in ahead of the curve on user identity IRIs. ←
15:19:14 <sandro> And actually there's a *very* interesting question (to me), which is would you want exactly one IRI for yourself in all your activities at W3C -- in different groups, etc -- or would you want one IRI per group/activity, which you could like with a sameAs relationship?
Sandro Hawke: And actually there's a *very* interesting question (to me), which is would you want exactly one IRI for yourself in all your activities at W3C -- in different groups, etc -- or would you want one IRI per group/activity, which you could like with a sameAs relationship? ←
15:19:42 <sandro> (For human users, you'd probably want a different IRI per group. At least, you might, for your introduction.)
Sandro Hawke: (For human users, you'd probably want a different IRI per group. At least, you might, for your introduction.) ←
15:20:57 <olberger> sandro: dunno
Sandro Hawke: dunno [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
15:22:43 <sandro> I take it back. Your user profile DOES have a place for a "foaf" URI. Maybe I'll take an hour and code up an RDF interface to this stuff. Probably not this week.
Sandro Hawke: I take it back. Your user profile DOES have a place for a "foaf" URI. Maybe I'll take an hour and code up an RDF interface to this stuff. Probably not this week. ←
15:23:59 <olberger> ok, that'd be cool
Olivier Berger: ok, that'd be cool ←
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