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13:56:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
13:56:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:56:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:26 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2012
13:56:35 <betehess> chair: Arnaud
13:56:37 <betehess> scribe: Alexandre
13:56:42 <betehess> scribenick: betehess
13:57:18 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
13:57:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html betehess
13:57:34 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:57:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS
13:57:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP
13:57:50 <olberger> cgueret_work: in chinese ?
13:58:13 <olberger> cgueret_work: so yes I can ;)
13:58:18 <rgarcia> rgarcia has joined #ldp
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13:58:40 <MacTed> Zakim, this is ldp
13:58:40 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM
13:58:44 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
13:58:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, ??P3, +1.510.206.aabb, [IBM]
13:58:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves,
13:58:47 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP
13:58:49 <Zakim> +??P6
13:58:53 <Zakim> -??P3
13:59:03 <Arnaud> it really sounds like he's on this call
13:59:22 <Zakim> + +329331aacc
13:59:29 <Zakim> +??P7
13:59:33 <AndyS> zakim, ??P7 is me
13:59:33 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
13:59:41 <ruben1> zakim, aacc is ruben
13:59:42 <Zakim> +ruben; got it
13:59:43 <Zakim> +MIT531
13:59:45 <dret> zakim, dret is +1.510.206.aabb
13:59:45 <Zakim> sorry, dret, I do not recognize a party named 'dret'
13:59:49 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise?
13:59:52 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
13:59:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed
14:00:00 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (63%), ??P1 (39%), +1.408.996.aaaa (7%)
14:00:02 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
14:00:05 <dret> zakim, +1.510.206.aabb is dret
14:00:05 <Zakim> +dret; got it
14:00:07 <betehess> Zakim, MIT531 has Alexandre and ericP 
14:00:07 <Zakim> +Alexandre, ericP; got it
14:00:16 <Zakim> + +44.190.863.aadd
14:00:20 <Zakim> +Yves
14:00:20 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
14:00:20 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
14:00:22 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
14:00:23 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
14:00:25 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
14:00:27 <betehess> Arnaud: welcome everybody
14:00:29 <Zakim> +??P14
14:00:33 <Zakim> + +1.361.279.aaee
14:00:49 <ruben1> Zakim, mute me
14:00:49 <Zakim> ruben should now be muted
14:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aaff
14:01:07 <kalpa> could I know the code for the phone number to connect?
14:01:07 <cygri> cygri has joined #ldp
14:01:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
14:01:18 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
14:01:19 <ruben1> code is LDPWG
14:01:22 <ericP> Zakim, aaff is john
14:01:22 <Zakim> +john; got it
14:01:37 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
14:01:45 <olberger> can the roomate of the chinese speaker please mute ?
14:01:47 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (76%), ??P1 (42%), +1.408.996.aaaa (50%), ??P14 (5%), +1.361.279.aaee (5%)
14:01:51 <ghard> Zakim, ??P14 is ghard
14:01:51 <Zakim> +ghard; got it
14:01:52 <kalpa> in the conference call settings, is the code 53794?
14:01:59 <ruben1> code is 53794
14:02:03 <MacTed> kalpa - yes
14:02:08 <kalpa> okay thnx
14:02:14 <Andras> Andras has joined #ldp
14:02:14 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
14:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, dret, [IBM], ??P6, ruben (muted), AndyS, MIT531, MacTed (muted), +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, mhausenblas, ghard, +1.361.279.aaee, john
14:02:25 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri
14:02:26 <Zakim> MIT531 has Alexandre, ericP
14:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Andras, cygri, ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard,
14:02:35 <Zakim> ... olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP
14:02:41 <betehess> Arnaud: fore the first cll, thought it would be useful to see how we'll proceed
14:02:49 <cgueret_work> Zakim, who is noisy?
14:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aagg
14:02:57 <betehess> ... worked with the staff to see how we'll do that
14:03:00 <Zakim> cgueret_work, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (33%), ??P1 (15%), +1.408.996.aaaa (90%)
14:03:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p0
14:03:03 <Zakim> ??P0 should now be muted
14:03:06 <ericP> Zakim, please mute aaaa
14:03:06 <Zakim> +1.408.996.aaaa should now be muted
14:03:10 <ericP> Zakim, please unmute aaaa
14:03:10 <Zakim> +1.408.996.aaaa should no longer be muted
14:03:13 <cgueret_work> :)
14:03:22 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p1
14:03:22 <Zakim> ??P1 should now be muted
14:03:31 <ericP> Zakim, aaaa is Arnaud
14:03:31 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
14:03:38 <betehess> ... when we have no remaining issues, then we're done
14:03:43 <mkerrin> mkerrin has joined #ldp
14:03:51 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mkerrin is with me
14:03:51 <Zakim> +mkerrin; got it
14:03:53 <betehess> ... in term of expectation, we are driven by the charter
14:04:00 <betehess> ... it sets the scope and deliverables
14:04:08 <betehess> ... there are 4 of them
14:04:16 <betehess> ... there is a note about ACLs
14:04:38 <betehess> ... as some people said it was an important issues, other people disagreed
14:04:44 <Zakim> +??P28
14:04:47 <betehess> ... because it may consume too much resource
14:04:53 <betehess> ... the note was a compromise
14:05:09 <betehess> ... the last deliverable is a test suite
14:05:10 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P28 is rgarcia
14:05:10 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
14:05:19 <dret> yes, i will try to do so, we will talk about how to update use cases and requirements later. everybody should have the opportunity to contribute.
14:05:21 <betehess> ... for me, the note and the TS are secondary for now
14:05:26 <betehess> ... we need to focus on the spec
14:05:35 <Andras> Zakim, +1.361.279.aaee is Andras
14:05:35 <Zakim> +Andras; got it
14:05:42 <betehess> .... we have a starting point: the IBM submission
14:05:49 <betehess> ... we'll develop from it
14:06:01 <betehess> ... we have some use-cases as well
14:06:42 <betehess> ... we're free to change whatever we need, even though this is the starting point (as it's said in the charter)
14:06:53 <mhausenblas> I think we really need to put some efforts into the UC (and derive requirements, properly)
14:07:23 <betehess> ... we need to identify the questions and see how the Submission answers them
14:07:36 <betehess> ... sure that you guys have plenty of questions
14:07:37 <dret> yes, that's the first big task for the group. what exactly are we doing; what are we not doing?
14:07:45 <betehess> ... that's a practical way to get started
14:07:57 <betehess> .... we stay focus on producing a set of documents
14:08:02 <betehess> ... sounds reasonable?
14:08:28 <betehess> ... we can also considerer other materials
14:08:36 <betehess> ... I welcome any reference to them
14:08:43 <dret> who is there?
14:08:45 <betehess> ... there may be other ways to do things
14:09:01 <betehess> ... it's useful to have these references
14:09:10 <betehess> ... eg. the sparql graph store protocol
14:09:18 <betehess> ... there is obviously some overlap
14:09:48 <betehess> ... if there is a good reason to compete there, we need to document it
14:10:00 <betehess> dret: good intro, welcome everybody
14:10:09 <betehess> Arnaud: for today, we want everybody on the same page
14:10:26 <betehess> ... @@ will give you an overview of the Submission
14:10:39 <mhausenblas> s/@@/Steve
14:10:53 <AndyS> s/@@/Steve Speicher/
14:11:11 <betehess> SteveS: how should I proceed? should I just take questions?
14:11:24 <betehess> Arnaud: depends on the team. just make sure it's recorded
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14:11:38 <MacTed> +1 skim to start, inline questions if necessary, issues and more detailed feedback later...
14:11:38 <Yves> issues needs to be on the ML
14:12:00 <betehess> Arnaud: there is a bot on IRC to record issues
14:12:23 <betehess> Yves: for issues, the best is to start with an email on the ML
14:12:35 <betehess> ... so that we can refer to it from trackbot
14:12:54 <betehess> ... then you can put the reference in IRC
14:13:02 <betehess> Arnaud: ok
14:13:13 <betehess> ... so if people are questions, just raise them on IRC
14:13:22 <betehess> ... for real issues, please send an email to the list
14:13:26 <SteveS> Member Submission envelope page http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/
14:13:41 <SteveS> Use case and requirements http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/
14:13:46 <mhausenblas> BTW, the tracker for this WG is here: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/
14:13:46 <betehess> SteveS: that's a like to the cover page of the Member Submission
14:13:49 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbpucr-20120326/
14:13:49 <ericP> topic: Submission walk-through
14:14:18 <betehess> SteveS: want to focus on why this is important for us
14:14:29 <betehess> ... related to the workshop we had
14:15:26 <betehess> ... my background is system integration
14:15:34 <olberger> mhausenblas: https://twitter.com/#!/sspeiche too
14:16:59 <betehess> ... I'm doing that at Oracle
14:16:59 <betehess> ... our problem was integration between tools
14:16:59 <betehess> ... we needed some glue code for the data
14:17:01 <betehess> ... and we needed to work with 3rd parties
14:17:03 <betehess> ... data was spread in different silos
14:17:08 <betehess> ... very limited success
14:17:09 <betehess> ... we started with "rules" from timbl
14:18:33 <betehess> [steve is going through their experience and needs at Oracle]
14:18:59 <MacTed> s/Oracle/IBM/
14:19:05 <olberger> IBM Rational
14:19:44 <betehess> SteveS: we need gather lots of different data
14:20:55 <betehess> Arnaud: we'll all contribute to this document
14:21:03 <Zakim> -??P6
14:21:08 <betehess> ... maybe we could move this content to a wiki page?
14:21:20 <betehess> ... ericP, how do we work?
14:21:36 <betehess> ... only one person who edits the page? or everybody can?
14:21:58 <MacTed> +1 chaotic wiki to start, organized polish later
14:21:59 <John> John has joined #ldp
14:22:05 <cgueret_work> +1 to everyone edit
14:22:07 <ericP> s/ericP, how do we work?/erik, how do we work?/
14:22:16 <betehess> SteveS: who's taking the action?
14:22:21 <betehess> Arnaud: I will
14:22:58 <betehess> Arnaud: so to get started, people can add their use-cases
14:23:09 <betehess> ... then we can review as a group what belongs there
14:23:15 <betehess> dret: ok
14:23:39 <SteveS> Linked Data Basic Profile 1.0 Member Submission - http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/
14:23:44 <betehess> Arnaud: let's move on to the spec
14:23:57 <olberger> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ldbp/
14:24:09 <betehess> dret: this documentation tries to capture some of the requirements and use-cases
14:24:23 <betehess> ... we look at patterns that have emerged
14:24:34 <betehess> ... http/rdf best practices
14:24:37 <dret> it's SteveP talking now, not me
14:24:41 <betehess> ... how to read linked data
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14:24:49 <Yves> s/dret/steveP
14:24:50 <ericP> s/dret/SteveS/
14:25:43 <betehess> ... we don't go through acls, security, etc.
14:25:49 <betehess> ... or schema-like things
14:26:08 <betehess> ... some terminology: we made sure we didn't create anything new
14:26:21 <betehess> ... if we do so, we define the terms
14:26:30 <betehess> ... jump to section 4
14:26:44 <betehess> ... what are resources in this context?
14:26:48 <ericP> SteveS, we introduce Basic Profile Resource and Basic Profile Container
14:27:07 <ghard> Aren't the container hierarchies already sufficiently expressed in SIOC/AtomOWL?
14:27:17 <betehess> ... what are the relationship with the type of resources, the value types, the vocabulary
14:27:35 <betehess> ... some stuff is already defined in HTTP
14:28:35 <betehess> ... RDF is not the only thing
14:28:48 <betehess> ... stable urls are used across definitions of the resource
14:29:08 <betehess> ... the response must have the right urls to help not having different names
14:29:37 <betehess> ... people must be speaking about the same things
14:29:52 <betehess> ... there are some requirements about RDF type
14:30:12 <betehess> ... you should not have to infer it
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14:30:22 <betehess> ... keep it as simple as possible
14:30:37 <betehess> ... uris are resolvable, hence the use of http
14:30:56 <betehess> ... we can provide an rdf schema to know more about the data
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14:31:26 <ericP> SteveS: we restrict ourselves to a set of known datatypes
14:32:28 <betehess> ... use triple for relationships between resources
14:32:44 <ericP> ... (instead of inventing a link relationship)
14:32:45 <betehess> ... don't create a weird machinery
14:33:10 <betehess> ... etags should help for caching scenarios
14:33:25 <olberger> 4.2 : verbs
14:33:32 <betehess> ... so of course, GET must be supported
14:34:04 <Arthur> Arthur has joined #ldp
14:34:07 <betehess> ... there are questions about which serialisations to support
14:34:10 <ericP> ... MUST support application/rdf+xml, SHOULD support text/turtle
14:34:40 <betehess> ... the type of the resource is not expected to change
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14:35:29 <betehess> q?
14:36:15 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask about process
14:36:20 <Zakim> + +1.512.651.aahh
14:36:25 <betehess> ... the etag questions was raised on the ML by leigh dodds
14:36:34 <cygri> commonscribe++
14:36:45 <betehess> mhausenblas: some WG started to use commonscribe, but no problem here
14:36:57 <Arthur> zakim, +1.512.651.aahh is me
14:36:57 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
14:37:09 <betehess> ericP: how complex is it?
14:37:11 <Zakim> +??P34
14:37:14 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/
14:37:18 <betehess> mhausenblas: ask sandro
14:37:27 <mhausenblas> q?
14:37:41 <betehess> ericP: I'll do
14:38:01 <betehess> SteveS: section 4.3
14:38:06 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe
14:38:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-06-25].
14:38:22 <betehess> ... http post works as expected....
14:38:36 <olberger> mhausenblas: obviously not ;)
14:38:58 <Zakim> -??P34
14:39:11 <betehess> ... http put brings some problems, like how to deal with state and modifications
14:39:27 <betehess> ... 4.4 defines the expected behaviour
14:39:42 <mhausenblas> q?
14:39:50 <betehess> ... want to ensure that data can be updated
14:40:21 <mhausenblas> ack me
14:40:21 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask about process
14:40:36 <betehess> mhausenblas: what is the possibility re: handling issues?
14:40:49 <ericP> MIG531 has Sandro
14:40:56 <betehess> ... someone raises one and the chairs is the one deciding if it's reasonable?
14:41:00 <ericP> Zakim, MIT531 has Sandro
14:41:00 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it
14:41:05 <betehess> Arnaud: good question
14:41:10 <betehess> ... let's be democratic
14:41:19 <betehess> ... so I'm tempted to let anybody to bring issues
14:41:36 <betehess> mhausenblas: raising issues is cheap, anybody can to it
14:41:48 <betehess> ... but who decides how to go from 'raised to 'open?
14:42:04 <ghard> +1 be easy on raising issues. Can amend policy later if proves infeasible.
14:42:08 <betehess> ... does not have to be decided now, just need a policy
14:42:23 <MacTed> +1 anyone RAISE; Chair may arbitrarily bump to OPEN; WG as whole should decide to reject/close/ignore/etc....
14:42:30 <betehess> ... everybody should be able to raise issues
14:42:38 <betehess> ... and then let the chairs to accept them
14:42:51 <betehess> ... to make sure we're not going out of scope
14:42:57 <betehess> dret: sounds reasonable
14:43:09 <ericP> PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE and issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc
14:43:14 <mhausenblas> +1
14:43:23 <betehess> Arnaud: yes, also people can alway complains if something going wrong
14:43:32 <Yves> +1
14:43:35 <betehess> +1
14:43:36 <ghard> +1
14:43:40 <ericP> PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE an issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc
14:43:43 <SteveS> +1
14:43:44 <JohnArwe> +1
14:43:47 <cygri> +1
14:43:48 <MacTed> +0
14:43:51 <svillata> +1
14:43:53 <Andras> +1
14:43:55 <ericP> APPROVED
14:43:56 <ruben1> +1
14:43:56 <dret> +1
14:44:02 <Arthur> +1
14:44:43 <betehess> SteveS: of course, DELETE means delete
14:44:46 <ericP> topic: Summarizing remaining bits of LDBP
14:44:52 <betehess> ... it may affect other things
14:45:03 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #ldp
14:45:09 <betehess> ... PATCH is a good way to do things, but we have no solution here yet
14:45:11 <ericP> SteveS: we've not supplied a proposed PATCH format
14:45:12 <sandro> sandro has joined #ldp
14:45:19 <ericP> ... there's a TurtlePatch on the W3C wiki
14:45:20 <betehess> ... we're still experimenting
14:45:33 <ericP> ... we're working on somthing of our own and are happy to bring it to the group
14:45:46 <Yves> note that we need to test things, so having a patch format (even incomplete) would be useful
14:46:00 <betehess> ... re: Container, I won't go into details
14:46:21 <betehess> ... it reflect the patterns we've observed
14:46:31 <betehess> ... eg. how you get list of resources
14:46:35 <ericP> SteveS: factory URLs are the same as Container URLs
14:46:39 <betehess> ... especially when they are big
14:46:58 <betehess> ... also, you don't always want to fetch all urls you found
14:47:18 <betehess> ... there are examples for that
14:47:51 <betehess> ... the Containers also deal with how to create resources
14:48:02 <betehess> ... and see how it relates to the model
14:48:19 <betehess> ... there is an example to get the container with content
14:48:57 <Zakim> -Andras
14:49:14 <betehess> ... 4.5.2 deals with retrieving partial data
14:49:28 <betehess> ... you say what you're interested in
14:49:51 <SteveS> GET /container1?non-member-properties HTTP/1.1
14:49:52 <SteveS> Host: example.org
14:49:52 <SteveS> Accept: text/turtle; charset=UTF-8
14:50:02 <betehess> ... just pasted an example from the spec
14:50:23 <betehess> ... where you say what property you're interested in
14:50:38 <betehess> ... 5.1.3 allows pagins
14:50:46 <betehess> ... can be decided by the server
14:50:52 <ericP>  http://example.org/container1?firstPage
14:50:55 <JohnArwe> s/pagins/paging/
14:51:05 <betehess> ... so you need to go back to the server to get the rest
14:51:34 <betehess> ... we found that there are other things that you may want to do
14:51:39 <betehess> ... we kept it simple
14:52:06 <betehess> ... also, performance are important
14:52:07 <ghard> 206 partial content?
14:52:08 <ericP> server passed back a document with identifies bp:nextPage, e.g. http://example.org/container1?p=2
14:52:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: Wondering if we can really re-use RFC5005 as pointed out by dret - will you raise an issue on that, dret?
14:52:38 <ghard> k
14:52:46 <betehess> ... there are other models than that
14:52:46 <ericP> SteveS: i think 206 involves splitting a document
14:53:02 <olberger> RFC 5005 - Feed Paging and Archiving
14:53:05 <betehess> ... re: ordering, again, there are other solutions
14:53:29 <betehess> ... interesting in OLO
14:53:41 <ericP> -> http://smiy.sourceforge.net/olo/spec/orderedlistontology.html Ordered List Ontology
14:54:02 <betehess> ... the model already has the predicates
14:54:09 <betehess> ... the server can include new statements
14:54:39 <betehess> ... the default ordering is the one in SPARQL
14:55:10 <betehess> Arnaud: thank you steve
14:55:37 <betehess> ... best way to ask questions: send them to the list
14:55:38 <dret> generally speaking, we should raise the question of how much we want to reuse existing machinery/standards
14:56:33 <betehess> ... I'd like to ask people to send reference to related work
14:57:04 <betehess> ... graph store protocol is a w3c spec, so we really cannot ignore it
14:57:09 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/http-rdf-update/#http-post -> SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol
14:57:24 <betehess> ... maybe LeeF can bring some history here?
14:57:32 <betehess> ... maybe not on the phone
14:57:41 <ghard> http://sioc-project.org/ontology re containers
14:58:10 <mhausenblas> dret, what would the answer to such a question be? as much as possible? I don't think it makes sense in the general case. we need to write down the requirements (based on the UC) and of course we should re-use as much as possible and avoid NIH syndrome :)
14:58:14 <sandro> action: sandro set up commonscribe
14:58:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Set up commonscribe [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-06-25].
14:58:39 <betehess> ericP: sandro is taking the action re: commonscribe
14:58:43 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: Lee said back at 10:45 he was unable to attend this call
14:58:55 <dret> mhausenblas, NIH is a big risk, but you're right, we need a frame of reference
14:59:03 <betehess> Arnaud: thank you all
14:59:06 <betehess> ... adjourned
14:59:06 <Zakim> - +44.190.863.aadd
14:59:07 <cgueret_work> bye
14:59:07 <Zakim> -john
14:59:08 <Zakim> -Arthur
14:59:08 <ghard> Bye
14:59:09 <Zakim> -rgarcia
14:59:10 <olberger> thanks all
14:59:11 <Zakim> -dret
14:59:11 <Zakim> -Arnaud
14:59:12 <Zakim> -[IBM]
14:59:12 <Zakim> -Yves
14:59:13 <Zakim> -MacTed
14:59:14 <Zakim> -ruben
14:59:15 <mhausenblas> Michael: thanks all and looking forward!
14:59:16 <Zakim> -AndyS
14:59:17 <betehess> RRSAgent:, please generate minutes
14:59:17 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', please generate minutes', betehess.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:59:18 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aagg
14:59:20 <Zakim> -MIT531
14:59:21 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
14:59:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html betehess
14:59:22 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
14:59:25 <Zakim> -ghard
14:59:26 <Zakim> -??P0
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15:00:45 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:00:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.408.996.aaaa, [IBM], +329331aacc, AndyS, ruben, dret, Alexandre, ericP, +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, MacTed, mhausenblas, +1.845.433.aaff,
15:00:46 <AndyS> adjourned
15:00:48 <Zakim> ... cygri, john, ghard, +1.937.775.aagg, Arnaud, mkerrin, rgarcia, Andras, Arthur, Sandro
15:00:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
15:00:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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15:02:50 <ericP> sandro proposed that as well
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15:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.996.aaaa, [IBM], +329331aacc, AndyS, ruben, dret, Alexandre, ericP, +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, MacTed, mhausenblas, +1.845.433.aaff, cygri, john, ghard,
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15:09:18 <olberger> Is there a RDF profile for the WG ?
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15:11:00 <sandro> hmmm.     what would that mean?
15:11:25 <olberger> some kind of a DOAP document for the WG participants for instance
15:12:53 <Arnaud> I have to admit not to know what you're talking about
15:13:32 <olberger> Arnaud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description_of_a_Project
15:13:58 <olberger> I could add this to my FOAF profile in order to state my participation to the WG, for instance
15:14:05 <olberger> s/add/link/
15:14:11 <Arnaud> ah ok
15:14:16 <Arnaud> now I understand :)
15:14:31 <olberger> i.e. eating our own dog feed at least for GET parts of the LDP
15:14:40 <sandro> It would be nice.
15:14:48 <Arnaud> I don't see any reason not to
15:15:01 <Arnaud> would you care to propose one?
15:15:08 <olberger> yeah... wondering if the wiki of W3.org is semantic
15:15:16 <olberger> or the portal
15:15:33 <olberger> Arnaud: I may
15:15:40 <Arnaud> that's a question for the team
15:15:55 <Arnaud> I don't see why anyone would object
15:16:07 <Arnaud> ok
15:16:56 <sandro> There's a web-accessible database of the people in the group, but unfortunately it's not currently RDF and doesn't have IRIs for the members.   :-(      http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/api/dump
15:17:21 <olberger> funny
15:17:52 <sandro> The first part of that I could probably fix, but the user profiles don't seem to want to dive in ahead of the curve on user identity IRIs.
15:19:14 <sandro> And actually there's a *very* interesting question (to me), which is would you want exactly one IRI for yourself in all your activities at W3C -- in different groups, etc -- or would you want one IRI per group/activity, which you could like with a sameAs relationship?
15:19:42 <sandro> (For human users, you'd probably want a different IRI per group.   At least, you might, for your introduction.)
15:20:57 <olberger> sandro: dunno
15:22:43 <sandro> I take it back.   Your user profile DOES have a place for a "foaf" URI.    Maybe I'll take an hour and code up an RDF interface to this stuff.    Probably not this week.
15:23:59 <olberger> ok, that'd be cool
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