IRC log of text on 2012-01-17
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- Team_(text)18:01Z has now started
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ confirm updated status of text-related bugs discussed on
previous call
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- agenda+ review updated proposal on meta name generator
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- agenda+ review updated proposal on title
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- agenda+ check next steps on any pending text-related proposals
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- agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn.
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- +Cooper
- 18:06:04 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
- 18:06:04 [Zakim]
- +Janina_Sajka; got it
- 18:06:35 [Judy]
- zakim, take up item 13
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- agendum 13. "confirm updated status of text-related bugs discussed on
previous call" taken up [from Judy]
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- jb: discussing what happened with fig caption
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- js: discussed with chairs; wasn't that the whole thing was wrong, just
a piece of it; was advised to escalate
- 18:09:53 [Judy]
- js: it is now issue 202
- 18:10:19 [Judy]
- ...mike smith thinks that someone in the group who is tracking
in-the-wild implementations might be able to help
- 18:12:03 [MichaelC]
- jb: mostly issue for scientific type sites
- 18:13:01 [Judy]
- minutes including bug handling from last meeting: http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-text-minutes.html
- 18:13:41 [Judy]
- s/scientific/scientific and educational/
- 18:16:58 [Judy]
- jb: need to better organize the bug input from last week prior to
checking status
- 18:18:22 [Judy]
- mc: grouped all text-related bugs into one grouping as 8171 but then
that was refused because they were already in play, in issue 31.
- 18:19:16 [Judy]
- js: and 31 includes several things, generally under the heading of alt.
we disagree with some parts but not all.
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- zakim, take up next item
- 18:20:05 [Zakim]
- agendum 14. "review updated proposal on meta name generator" taken up
[from Judy]
- 18:21:44 [janina]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming
- 18:25:00 [Judy]
- jb: the current summary seems unclear in terms of what is the context;
what is the problem; and what is the proposal.
- 18:27:07 [Judy]
- jb: starting with the problem...
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- js: the html doc says that for content originated from cms, the doc
will be conformant even if there is no alt; yet for accessibility
purposes, alt is needed regardless of the content origin.
- 18:28:49 [Zakim]
- +John_Foliot
- 18:29:21 [Judy]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming
- 18:31:10 [Judy]
- js: this change proposal describes why the exemption is inappropriate,
and asks for it to be removed.
- 18:33:18 [Judy]
- jf, jb: will also look at this and comment
- 18:34:47 [Judy]
- agenda+ follow-up on 2 bugs from JF
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- zakim, take up item 18
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- agendum 18. "follow-up on 2 bugs from JF" taken up [from Judy]
- 18:35:21 [Judy]
- jf: I filed 2 bug escalations, and got follow-up requests from chairs,
but having difficulty establishing access
- 18:35:40 [Judy]
- js, mc: no, you just do it via the bug interface or email to chairs
- 18:35:46 [Judy]
- jf: oh ok will do
- 18:35:53 [Judy]
- js: but solve it hear or in aria?
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- jf: both places, no? need engagement on the aria solutions here
- 18:36:25 [Judy]
- js: not in aria 1.1?
- 18:36:45 [Judy]
- jf: what about in longdesc? short and long textual description of the
video element?
- 18:38:27 [Judy]
- js: i'm ok with doing it both places, jf will follow up in h5 and it's
calendared for aria 1.1
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 14. "review updated proposal on meta name generator" taken up
[from Judy]
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- zakim, close item 14
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- agendum 14, review updated proposal on meta name generator, closed
- 18:39:04 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 15. review updated proposal on title [from Judy]
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 15. "review updated proposal on title" taken up [from Judy]
- 18:39:42 [janina]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitlev2
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- -Cooper
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- -John_Foliot
- 18:49:47 [Judy]
- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Judy, Janina_Sajka
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- On IRC I see MichaelC, janina, RRSAgent, Judy, Zakim
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- +Cooper
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 15 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 16. check next steps on any pending text-related proposals [from
Judy]
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 16. "check next steps on any pending text-related proposals"
taken up [from Judy]
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- jb: questions you were working on wrt dev of CP on WG loc of alt
guidance
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- mc: was wondering what focus on in terms of background for the CP,
specifically wrt harms of the current situation, vs potentially harms of
the proposal
- 18:53:34 [Judy]
- mc: for instance, what confusions people are having with where the
guidance currently is
- 18:54:15 [Judy]
- ... and because hasn't happened yet, no actual data yet
- 18:54:32 [Judy]
- js: it is likely that people would be confused
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- jb: but that is potential harm not actual harm
- 18:55:18 [Judy]
- js: No. There is _already_ harm, in that people are _already_ confused
about where to look, and which version they should refer to.
- 18:56:48 [Judy]
- js: and this doc seeks to remedy the harm already done by incorrect
guidance in the h5 spec.
- 18:59:06 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald
- 19:00:13 [Judy]
- jb: actually there are three things: appropriateness of the technical
guidance; generalization of the guidance beyond h5; and location with
seat of accessibility expertise.
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- ...and the case would need to be made effectively on those.
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- -Janina_Sajka
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- -Cooper
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- -Judy
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- -David_MacDonald
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- Team_(text)18:01Z has ended
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- Attendees were Judy, Cooper, Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot,
David_MacDonald