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15:58:57 <Guus> trackbot, start meeting
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15:58:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:59:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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15:59:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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15:59:01 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:59:01 <trackbot> Date: 27 February 2013
15:59:03 <pfps> zakim, who is here?
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15:59:03 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted
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15:59:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus
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15:59:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP ←
15:59:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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15:59:06 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:59:06 <trackbot> Date: 27 February 2013
15:59:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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15:59:10 <AndyS> Partial regrets - I can only attend for about 45 mins.
Andy Seaborne: Partial regrets - I can only attend for about 45 mins. ←
15:59:23 <pfps> zakim, aaaa is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:59:23 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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15:59:36 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:59:36 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted
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15:59:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus
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15:59:52 <pfps> zakim, aaaa is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:59:52 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
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16:00:01 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
16:00:05 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P2
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, I am ??P2 ←
16:00:05 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
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16:00:09 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
16:00:19 <SteveH> Zakim, ??p3 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??p3 is me ←
16:00:19 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
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16:00:36 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
16:00:49 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
16:00:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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16:00:52 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
16:00:52 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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16:00:59 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.27
Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.27 ←
16:01:00 <Zakim> +??P6
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16:01:05 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
16:01:05 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
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16:02:16 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Guus, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed (muted), yvesr
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16:02:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> +GavinC
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16:02:43 <Zakim> + +081165aabb
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16:03:02 <AZ> Zakim, aabb is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aabb is me ←
16:03:02 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
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16:03:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:03:31 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
16:03:31 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
16:04:20 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
16:04:20 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
16:04:21 <Zakim> +Ivan
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16:04:27 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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16:04:33 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
16:04:33 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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16:05:03 <Guus> zakim, pick a scribe
Guus Schreiber: zakim, pick a scribe ←
16:05:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AZ ←
16:05:45 <AZ> scribe: AZ
(Scribe set to Antoine Zimmermann)
16:06:26 <AZ> Topic: Admin
16:06:27 <AZ> Topic: Turtle
16:07:13 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
16:07:18 <markus> zakim, ??P8 is me
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P8 is me ←
16:07:18 <Zakim> +markus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it ←
16:07:20 <AZ> gavinc_: there should be a page about the CR
Gavin Carothers: there should be a page about the CR ←
16:07:42 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
16:07:55 <AZ> gavinc_: before Turtle being published we agreed to produce a document about thinigs done in Last Call?
Gavin Carothers: before Turtle being published we agreed to produce a document about thinigs done in Last Call? ←
16:09:20 <AZ> Guus: we can close the comments by internalization group
Guus Schreiber: we can close the comments by internalization group ←
16:09:35 <AZ> Guus: Ivan proposed to write a page like the OWL page
Guus Schreiber: Ivan proposed to write a page like the OWL page ←
16:09:55 <PatH> having a little trouble calling in, working on it.
Patrick Hayes: having a little trouble calling in, working on it. ←
16:10:07 <AZ> sandro: in RDF, documents are pretty much self standing
Sandro Hawke: in RDF, documents are pretty much self standing ←
16:10:33 <gkellogg> Turtle, TriG, and N-Triples would seem to be more closely related.
Gregg Kellogg: Turtle, TriG, and N-Triples would seem to be more closely related. ←
16:10:34 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
16:10:41 <AZ> Guus: let us archive all comments being done since CR
Guus Schreiber: let us archive all comments being done since CR ←
16:10:45 <gavinc_> Yeah, my thoughts as well gkellogg
Gavin Carothers: Yeah, my thoughts as well gkellogg ←
16:10:55 <gavinc_> given I have to update all three of those
Gavin Carothers: given I have to update all three of those ←
16:11:01 <ivan> ivan, unmute me
Ivan Herman: ivan, unmute me ←
16:11:07 <Souri> zakim, P14 is me
Souripriya Das: zakim, P14 is me ←
16:11:07 <Zakim> sorry, Souri, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Souri, I do not recognize a party named 'P14' ←
16:11:14 <Souri> zakim, ??P14 is me
Souripriya Das: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
16:11:15 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it ←
16:11:31 <AZ> gavinc_: I'll finish a page about the comments
Gavin Carothers: I'll finish a page about the comments ←
16:11:59 <gkellogg> q+ on test suite coverage
Gregg Kellogg: q+ on test suite coverage ←
16:12:04 <AZ> gavinc_: we have to publish the test cases
Gavin Carothers: we have to publish the test cases ←
16:12:11 <AndyS> +1 to gkellogg -- and NQuads.
Andy Seaborne: +1 to gkellogg -- and NQuads. ←
16:12:17 <AZ> sandro: they should be linked from the document
Sandro Hawke: they should be linked from the document ←
16:12:31 <gkellogg> Conformance Report: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html
Gregg Kellogg: Conformance Report: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html ←
16:12:34 <PatH> looks like I am going to have to be restricted to IRC until my phone carrier comes back :-(
Patrick Hayes: looks like I am going to have to be restricted to IRC until my phone carrier comes back :-( ←
16:12:35 <AZ> ...: and we have to list the implementations
...: and we have to list the implementations ←
16:13:31 <pfps> shouldn't we note this error and fix it at REC?
Peter Patel-Schneider: shouldn't we note this error and fix it at REC? ←
16:14:05 <AZ> AndyS: their could be a formal publication of the test suite
Andy Seaborne: their could be a formal publication of the test suite ←
16:14:25 <AZ> ... W3C would use the test suite licence
... W3C would use the test suite licence ←
16:15:01 <AZ> (sorry did not get the end)
(sorry did not get the end) ←
16:15:17 <sandro> google brings me to http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Test_Suite
Sandro Hawke: google brings me to http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Test_Suite ←
16:15:47 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-license.html
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-license.html ←
16:16:10 <AZ> AndyS: they are not complaininng of tests suite licence, but they complain about the Apacche Licence attached to it
Andy Seaborne: they are not complaininng of tests suite licence, but they complain about the Apacche Licence attached to it ←
16:17:24 <AZ> ... I could change this as a copywriter
... I could change this as a copywriter ←
16:17:34 <gavinc_> I'd say the main issue is the lack of publication of the test suite
Gavin Carothers: I'd say the main issue is the lack of publication of the test suite ←
16:18:34 <AZ> sandro: the page about test suite should have link to the suite
Sandro Hawke: the page about test suite should have link to the suite ←
16:20:12 <AZ> sandro: I can update the submission to point to the the suite
Sandro Hawke: I can update the submission to point to the the suite ←
16:20:38 <Guus> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/rdf-turtle/tests-ttl
Guus Schreiber: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/rdf-turtle/tests-ttl ←
16:20:56 <AZ> Guus: in the extension request the link to test suite was the one posted
Guus Schreiber: in the extension request the link to test suite was the one posted ←
16:21:12 <gkellogg> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html
Gregg Kellogg: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html ←
16:21:49 <AZ> Guus: who would like to take an action to do this
Guus Schreiber: who would like to take an action to do this ←
16:22:02 <AZ> gavinc: I can do this
Gavin Carothers: I can do this ←
16:22:44 <AZ> gavinc: I can also resolve the licence issue
Gavin Carothers: I can also resolve the licence issue ←
16:23:39 <AZ> gavinc: we can set up a mercurial directory and put a tag there
Gavin Carothers: we can set up a mercurial directory and put a tag there ←
16:24:23 <AZ> AndyS: sandro, could you check the W3C process for the test suite
Andy Seaborne: sandro, could you check the W3C process for the test suite ←
16:25:05 <gkellogg> List of dajobe's current Turtle tests, including test-31 through test-38: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/tree/master/tests/turtle
Gregg Kellogg: List of dajobe's current Turtle tests, including test-31 through test-38: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/tree/master/tests/turtle ←
16:25:05 <sandro> action: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license
ACTION: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license ←
16:25:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-232 - Learn about the w3c test suite license [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-232 - Learn about the w3c test suite license [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-03-06]. ←
16:25:15 <Guus> ACTION Gavin to publish the consolidated test suite
Guus Schreiber: ACTION Gavin to publish the consolidated test suite ←
16:25:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-233 - Publish the consolidated test suite [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-233 - Publish the consolidated test suite [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-03-06]. ←
16:25:38 <AZ> gavinc: all tests are under W3C license and ??? licence
Gavin Carothers: all tests are under W3C license and 3-clause BSD licence ←
16:25:43 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases ←
16:25:51 <sandro> s/???/3-clause BSD/
16:25:59 <AndyS> ??? == W3C test suite license
Andy Seaborne: ??? == W3C test suite license ←
16:26:46 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
16:27:15 <gavinc> https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/blob/master/tests/turtle/test-30.ttl
Gavin Carothers: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/blob/master/tests/turtle/test-30.ttl ←
16:28:16 <AZ> topic:Semantics
16:28:17 <gavinc> btw #turtle exists ;)
Gavin Carothers: btw #turtle exists ;) ←
16:28:46 <AndyS> gregg - there was renumbering old 30 is new 27 and is there
Andy Seaborne: gregg - there was renumbering old 30 is new 27 and is there ←
16:28:47 <AZ> Guus: there are several emails on the first editor's draft for semantics
Guus Schreiber: there are several emails on the first editor's draft for semantics ←
16:28:54 <AZ> ... from pfps and Path
... from pfps and Path ←
16:28:58 <gkellogg> andys: cool, thanks
Andy Seaborne: cool, thanks [ Scribe Assist by Gregg Kellogg ] ←
16:29:27 <AndyS> greeg - blame automated test suite writing.
Andy Seaborne: gregg - blame automated test suite writing. ←
16:29:35 <AZ> PatH: I think all the issues can be resolved wihtout spending much telecon time
Patrick Hayes: I think all the issues can be resolved wihtout spending much telecon time ←
16:29:39 <AndyS> s/greeg/gregg/
16:29:54 <AZ> pfps: we have to resovle the issues on ill-typed literals do not denote anymore
Peter Patel-Schneider: we have to resovle the issues on ill-typed literals do not denote anymore ←
16:30:24 <pfps> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0233.html
Peter Patel-Schneider: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0233.html ←
16:32:03 <AZ> PatH: it's a substantial change to semantics and made in reaction to Richard's request
Patrick Hayes: it's a substantial change to semantics and made in reaction to Richard's request ←
16:32:21 <ericP> oops, looks like i missed the test suite topic
Eric Prud'hommeaux: oops, looks like i missed the test suite topic ←
16:32:28 <ericP> can anyone confirm/deny that?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: can anyone confirm/deny that? ←
16:32:38 <AZ> ... who believe that a graph that has ill-typed literals should not be consistent
... who believe that a graph that has ill-typed literals should not be consistent ←
16:33:01 <AZ> ... the proposal makes all triples with an ill-typed literal false
... the proposal makes all triples with an ill-typed literal false ←
16:33:35 <pfps> this change has been discussed extensively in the past, as well
Peter Patel-Schneider: this change has been discussed extensively in the past, as well ←
16:33:43 <AZ> ... I haven't find arguments really against it
... I haven't find arguments really against it ←
16:34:10 <Guus> PROPOSE closing Issue 109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought).
Guus Schreiber: PROPOSE closing ISSUE-109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought). ←
16:34:21 <pfps> +1
16:34:23 <AZ> +1
+1 ←
16:34:24 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:34:26 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:34:28 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:34:28 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:34:29 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:34:29 <pfps> +0.999999
Peter Patel-Schneider: +0.999999 ←
16:34:30 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:34:32 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:34:33 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
16:34:33 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:34:43 <Arnaud> 0
Arnaud Le Hors: 0 ←
16:34:47 <Guus> RESOLVED: closing Issue 109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought).
RESOLVED: closing ISSUE-109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought). ←
16:35:35 <AZ> pfps: which datatypes are required in RDF implementation
Peter Patel-Schneider: which datatypes are required in RDF implementation ←
16:35:52 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:35:59 <gkellogg> q-
Gregg Kellogg: q- ←
16:36:00 <gavinc> +1 to RDF XMLLiteral being optional... I swear we resolved that?
Gavin Carothers: +1 to RDF XMLLiteral being optional... I swear we resolved that? ←
16:36:12 <sandro> +1 I think so, too.
Sandro Hawke: +1 I think so, too. ←
16:36:17 <gavinc> ... are you SURE we don't?
Gavin Carothers: ... are you SURE we don't? ←
16:36:37 <AZ> ... in particular XMLLiteral?
... in particular XMLLiteral? ←
16:37:22 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0198.html
Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0198.html ←
16:37:36 <sandro> issue-13?
16:37:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- Review RDF XML Literals -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- Review RDF XML Literals -- closed ←
16:37:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/13
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/13 ←
16:37:50 <AZ> ... can someone fix the "list of resolutions"
... can someone fix the "list of resolutions" ←
16:37:53 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
16:38:07 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/closed is a good place to start looking for resolutions :)
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/closed is a good place to start looking for resolutions :) ←
16:38:33 <AZ> gavinc: HTML is optional too (ISSUE 33)
Gavin Carothers: HTML is optional too (ISSUE-33) ←
16:38:49 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/63
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/33 ←
16:39:02 <AZ> s/63/33/
16:39:11 <AZ> s/33/63/
16:39:42 <AZ> ... the last issue is rdf:langString
pfps the last issue is rdf:langString ←
16:39:59 <AZ> s/.../pfps/
16:40:44 <AZ> PatH: I think the idea was a datatype with empty lexical-to-value mapping
Patrick Hayes: I think the idea was a datatype with empty lexical-to-value mapping ←
16:41:26 <gavinc> Also, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0071.html
Gavin Carothers: Also, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0071.html ←
16:41:28 <AZ> ... the goal is to have a type for all literals but not force rdf:langString to be a proper datatype
... the goal is to have a type for all literals but not force rdf:langString to be a proper datatype ←
16:41:39 <AZ> pfps: this should be fixed in Concepts
Peter Patel-Schneider: this should be fixed in Concepts ←
16:41:58 <gavinc> This is related to ISSUE-94
Gavin Carothers: This is related to ISSUE-94 ←
16:42:00 <gavinc> ISSUE-94?
16:42:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-94 -- Definition of literals does not include language-tagged strings properly -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-94 -- Definition of literals does not include language-tagged strings properly -- closed ←
16:42:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/94
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/94 ←
16:42:25 <AZ> pfps: everything else in the semantics can be seen just as bugs
Peter Patel-Schneider: everything else in the semantics can be seen just as bugs ←
16:42:41 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:42:45 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
16:42:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Guus, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed (muted), yvesr, GavinC, AZ, AndyS, Ivan (muted), Arnaud (muted), markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Guus, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed (muted), yvesr, GavinC, AZ, AndyS, Ivan (muted), Arnaud (muted), markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH ←
16:42:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, PatH, markus, Arnaud, AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Souri, PatH, markus, Arnaud, AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP ←
16:43:10 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:43:47 <AZ> pfps: it just requires minor edits to make it a FPWD
Peter Patel-Schneider: it just requires minor edits to make it a FPWD ←
16:44:13 <AZ> Guus: <can't hear>
Guus Schreiber: <can't hear> ←
16:44:29 <Zakim> -Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus ←
16:44:46 <Guus> reviews can be done befpre html edits
Guus Schreiber: reviews can be done befpre html edits ←
16:44:59 <Guus> review volunteers? at least two needed
Guus Schreiber: review volunteers? at least two needed ←
16:45:26 <pfps> can't be me
Peter Patel-Schneider: can't be me ←
16:45:31 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:45:31 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
16:45:45 <pfps> I suggest Richard, even though he is not on the call - he cares about this
Peter Patel-Schneider: I suggest Richard, even though he is not on the call - he cares about this ←
16:46:00 <Zakim> +Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus ←
16:46:58 <AZ> Guus: we need reviewers for the document, even before the edits
Guus Schreiber: we need reviewers for the document, even before the edits ←
16:47:03 <AZ> AZ: I can review it
Antoine Zimmermann: I can review it ←
16:47:18 <AZ> pfps: I would like Richard to do it
Peter Patel-Schneider: I would like Richard to do it ←
16:47:32 <Guus> ACTION Guus to ask Richard to review Semantics
Guus Schreiber: ACTION Guus to ask Richard to review Semantics ←
16:47:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-234 - Ask Richard to review Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-234 - Ask Richard to review Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06]. ←
16:47:44 <AZ> PatH: there is a section that is missing about the inference rules
Patrick Hayes: there is a section that is missing about the inference rules ←
16:47:57 <pfps> the inference rules are informative, not normative
Peter Patel-Schneider: the inference rules are informative, not normative ←
16:48:09 <AZ> ivan: what's going on with the rules?
Ivan Herman: what's going on with the rules? ←
16:48:21 <AZ> ... in which document do they go
... in which document do they go ←
16:48:53 <AZ> PatH: we can put the rules in an informative section in Semantics
Patrick Hayes: we can put the rules in an informative section in Semantics ←
16:49:01 <pfps> I vote for fewer documents
Peter Patel-Schneider: I vote for fewer documents ←
16:49:15 <pfps> why are the rules needed for concepts?
Peter Patel-Schneider: why are the rules needed for concepts? ←
16:49:31 <AZ> ACTION AZ to review RDF 1.1 Semantics
ACTION AZ to review RDF 1.1 Semantics ←
16:49:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-235 - Review RDF 1.1 Semantics [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-235 - Review RDF 1.1 Semantics [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-03-06]. ←
16:49:49 <AZ> Guus: we really need to go to LC for Concepts
Guus Schreiber: we really need to go to LC for Concepts ←
16:49:58 <AZ> ... for this we need a FPWD for Semantics
... for this we need a FPWD for Semantics ←
16:50:30 <AZ> ivan: our extension request said we would have Concepts in LC by 1st march
Ivan Herman: our extension request said we would have Concepts in LC by 1st march ←
16:50:56 <AZ> PatH: I can do the changes before next telecon
Patrick Hayes: I can do the changes before next telecon ←
16:51:49 <AZ> Guus: in the mean time we can talk about Concepts to prepare it for LC
Guus Schreiber: in the mean time we can talk about Concepts to prepare it for LC ←
16:52:43 <Guus> Reviewing period Semantics draft: 6-13 Mar
Guus Schreiber: Reviewing period Semantics draft: 6-13 Mar ←
16:53:33 <pfps> q+
16:53:35 <AZ> PatH: there is a debate about D-entailemnt whether D should be seen as a datatype map
Patrick Hayes: there is a debate about D-entailemnt whether D should be seen as a datatype map ←
16:53:55 <AZ> ... I see a solution that requires a small change to RDF Concepts
... I see a solution that requires a small change to RDF Concepts ←
16:54:00 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:54:08 <AZ> Guus: let us get this to the agenda of next week
Guus Schreiber: let us get this to the agenda of next week ←
16:54:32 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
16:54:55 <AZ> pfps: I believe Pat's solution is not viable
Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe Pat's solution is not viable ←
16:55:22 <AZ> PatH: I know how to fix this, I have to make it more precise
Patrick Hayes: I know how to fix this, I have to make it more precise ←
16:55:34 <AZ> +1 pfps
+1 pfps ←
16:55:44 <pfps> my problem is with a normative part of RDF Semantics referring to "web conventions"
Peter Patel-Schneider: my problem is with a normative part of RDF Semantics referring to "web conventions" ←
16:56:10 <AZ> topic:Concepts
16:56:21 <AZ> Guus: there is an issue on bnode definition
Guus Schreiber: there is an issue on bnode definition ←
16:56:50 <AZ> PatH: Concepts sould define the notion of scope
Patrick Hayes: Concepts sould define the notion of scope ←
16:57:01 <AZ> ... scope of bnodes
... scope of bnodes ←
16:59:43 <AZ> <people looking in the ML archives>
<people looking in the ML archives> ←
16:59:59 <Guus> ACTION Guus put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar
Guus Schreiber: ACTION Guus put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar ←
16:59:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-236 - Put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06]. ←
17:00:42 <pfps> I can review Concepts, but I will reiterate my concerns that have not yet been addressed.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I can review Concepts, but I will reiterate my concerns that have not yet been addressed. ←
17:00:43 <AZ> Guus: we need reviewers for the LC draft
Guus Schreiber: we need reviewers for the LC draft ←
17:01:14 <pfps> There has been push back on some of them.
Peter Patel-Schneider: There has been push back on some of them. ←
17:01:15 <AZ> I can review too, to be sure my concerns have been addressed
I can review too, to be sure my concerns have been addressed ←
17:01:23 <PatH> i can review concepts.
Patrick Hayes: i can review concepts. ←
17:02:01 <SteveH> I'll be on vacation
Steve Harris: I'll be on vacation ←
17:02:21 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:02:21 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
17:02:51 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
17:02:51 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
17:03:06 <Guus> Peter and Ted are reviewer candidates
Guus Schreiber: Peter and Ted are reviewer candidates ←
17:03:25 <AZ> topic:JSON-LD
17:03:59 <AZ> Guus: we must find reviewers for this one too
Guus Schreiber: we must find reviewers for this one too ←
17:04:00 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0189.html
Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0189.html ←
17:05:15 <AZ> PatH: I'll volunteer
Patrick Hayes: I'll volunteer ←
17:05:20 <AZ> sandro: I'll volunteer too
Sandro Hawke: I'll volunteer too ←
17:06:26 <AZ> PatH: in fact, if it's now, I'll have to withdraw sorry
Patrick Hayes: in fact, if it's now, I'll have to withdraw sorry ←
17:06:57 <AZ> Guus: let us ask AndyS if he'd like to revieww it
Guus Schreiber: let us ask AndyS if he'd like to revieww it ←
17:07:06 <Guus> ACTION Guus to ask Andy to review JSPN-LD syntax doc
Guus Schreiber: ACTION Guus to ask Andy to review JSPN-LD syntax doc ←
17:07:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-237 - Ask Andy to review JSPN-LD syntax doc [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-237 - Ask Andy to review JSON-LD syntax doc [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06]. ←
17:07:26 <AZ> s/JSPN-LD/JSON-LD/
17:08:23 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:08:26 <AZ> gkellogg: we have work to do on the API
Gregg Kellogg: we have work to do on the API ←
17:08:28 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
17:08:29 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
17:08:29 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
17:08:31 <AZ> bye
bye ←
17:08:32 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
17:08:32 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
17:08:33 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
17:08:34 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
17:08:34 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
17:08:35 <markus> bye
Markus Lanthaler: bye ←
17:08:36 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
17:08:40 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
17:08:41 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
17:08:41 <Zakim> -Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus ←
17:08:48 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
17:08:50 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
17:08:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus, pfps, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed, yvesr, GavinC, +081165aabb, AZ, AndyS, Ivan, Arnaud, markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus, pfps, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed, yvesr, GavinC, +081165aabb, AZ, AndyS, Ivan, Arnaud, markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH ←
17:09:50 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
17:09:50 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:09:50 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
17:09:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:09:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:09:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:09:59 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
17:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license [1]
ACTION: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license [1] ←
17:09:59 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-irc#T16-25-05-1
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-irc#T16-25-05-1 ←
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