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14:04:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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14:04:16 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:04:16 <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2012
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15:01:21 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?
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15:01:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, davidwood, MacTed (muted), ??P10
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15:01:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH_, ScottB, pfps, AZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, gkellogg, MacTed, SteveH, gavinc, ivan, AndyS, yvesr, manu1, manu, sandro, davidwood, trackbot, NickH, ericP
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15:02:23 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- latest agenda = http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.13 (MacTed)
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15:02:36 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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15:02:47 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:02:47 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:02:48 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:03:15 <AZ> Zakim, who is here?
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15:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, davidwood, MacTed (muted), ??P10, gavinc, pfps, gkellogg, ScottB, SteveH_, Arnaud, Ivan
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15:03:28 <AZ> zakim, ??P10 is me
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15:03:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH_, ScottB, pfps, AZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, gkellogg, MacTed, SteveH, gavinc, ivan, AndyS, yvesr, manu1, manu, sandro, davidwood, trackbot, NickH, ericP
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15:03:38 <ivan> scribenick: AZ
(Scribe set to Antoine Zimmermann)
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15:03:45 <manu1> zakim, code?
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15:03:48 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
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15:03:55 <davidwood> chair: David Wood
15:03:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu1
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15:04:22 <AZ> Topic: Admin
15:04:27 <Zakim> +??P24
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15:04:59 <manu1> q+ to request that JSON-LD be moved to the front of the agenda.
Manu Sporny: q+ to request that JSON-LD be moved to the front of the agenda. ←
15:05:01 <davidwood> PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon:
PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon: ←
15:05:02 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30 ←
15:05:20 <manu1> I have reviewed them - they look good. :)
Manu Sporny: I have reviewed them - they look good. :) ←
15:05:24 <manu1> I also scribed.
Manu Sporny: I also scribed. ←
15:05:24 <pfps> the minutes look fine
Peter Patel-Schneider: the minutes look fine ←
15:05:35 <davidwood> Review of action items
David Wood: Review of action items ←
15:05:35 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
15:05:35 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open ←
15:05:36 <AZ> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon:
RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon: ←
15:07:28 <davidwood> Topic: Summer Schedule
15:07:53 <pfps> Which weeks?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Which weeks? ←
15:08:01 <AZ> davidwood: starting july until august we do 1 meeting every 2 weeks
David Wood: starting july until august we do 1 meeting every 2 weeks ←
15:08:13 <pfps> Good - July 4 week off.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Good - July 4 week off. ←
15:08:20 <MacTed> (winter schedule for Southern Hemisphere... if we had any)
Ted Thibodeau: (winter schedule for Southern Hemisphere... if we had any) ←
15:09:11 <Zakim> +??P36
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15:09:17 <pchampin> zakim, ??p36 is me
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15:10:04 <AZ> davidwood: 11th july, 25th july, 8 aug, 22nd aug.
David Wood: 11th july, 25th july, 8 aug, 22nd aug. ←
15:10:11 <manu1> I think we should try to publish the JSON-LD specs as FPWDs in July - we should do a straw poll on 11 July 2012 in this WG to make it happen (barring any serious changes)
Manu Sporny: I think we should try to publish the JSON-LD specs as FPWDs in July - we should do a straw poll on 11 July 2012 in this WG to make it happen (barring any serious changes) ←
15:10:20 <davidwood> Meetings to be held on 11 July, 25 July, 8 August, 22 August. Weekly meetings to resume as of 5 September.
David Wood: Meetings to be held on 11 July, 25 July, 8 August, 22 August. Weekly meetings to resume as of 5 September. ←
15:10:22 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aadd
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15:10:55 <davidwood> Topic: Turtle Last Call
15:11:39 <AZ> gavinc: we would need Richard's comments
Gavin Carothers: we would need Richard's comments ←
15:12:00 <AZ> davidwood: are the comments minor enough to go last call
David Wood: are the comments minor enough to go last call ←
15:12:55 <AndyS> [166s] PN_LOCAL_ESC is unclear. What is the precedence of adjacent and | ?
Andy Seaborne: [166s] PN_LOCAL_ESC is unclear. What is the precedence of adjacent and | ? ←
15:13:00 <AZ> ericP: we should remind people that it is Last Call
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we should remind people that it is Last Call ←
15:13:26 <pfps> If the editor isn't saying "trivial" then I don't think that we should go forward.
Peter Patel-Schneider: If the editor isn't saying "trivial" then I don't think that we should go forward. ←
15:13:44 <AZ> gavinc: currently the document has 2 normative big sections
Gavin Carothers: currently the document has 2 normative big sections ←
15:14:00 <gavinc> pfps... yeah, not going to last call
Gavin Carothers: pfps... yeah, not going to last call ←
15:14:28 <AZ> ericP: nwe wrote the first 2 sections to be approachable for ???
Eric Prud'hommeaux: nwe wrote the first 2 sections to be approachable for mortals ←
15:14:49 <ivan> s/???/mortals/
15:15:16 <AZ> ericP: we may want to make 1st section normative
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we may want to make 1st section normative ←
15:16:25 <AZ> gavinc: we need to take one more look at the doc
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we need to take one more look at the doc ←
15:16:49 <AZ> s/gavinc/ericP/
15:17:22 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]
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15:17:30 <AZ> ericP: if we can write the doc to satisfy the WG
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we can write the doc to satisfy the WG ←
15:17:44 <Guus> zakim, +[VrijeUni] is me
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15:18:05 <Guus> zakim, VrijeUni is me
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15:18:05 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
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15:18:24 <AZ> ericP: we could have normative sections with subsections that are informative
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we could have normative sections with subsections that are informative ←
15:18:51 <AZ> ericP: or start with informtive, tutorial like, then normative hard-to-read one
Eric Prud'hommeaux: or start with informtive, tutorial like, then normative hard-to-read one ←
15:19:16 <gavinc> Example of the problematic sections http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#relative-iris
Gavin Carothers: Example of the problematic sections http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#relative-iris ←
15:20:00 <AZ> AndyS: there should not be normative sub-sections inside non-normative ones
Andy Seaborne: there should not be normative sub-sections inside non-normative ones ←
15:20:39 <AZ> ericP: Richard observed there was 2 definitions of everything,
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Richard observed there was 2 definitions of everything, ←
15:20:53 <AZ> ...: we can make one informative def and one normative
...: we can make one informative def and one normative ←
15:21:09 <AZ> gavinc: relative IRI section is duplicated
Gavin Carothers: relative IRI section is duplicated ←
15:21:26 <AZ> ... and both are normative
... and both are normative ←
15:21:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
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15:21:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
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15:21:44 <AZ> ... but if we get rid of one of them it's unreadable
... but if we get rid of one of them it's unreadable ←
15:21:48 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
15:21:49 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:22:06 <AZ> ericP: I think one is informative
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think one is informative ←
15:22:11 <AZ> gavinc: I don't think so
Gavin Carothers: I don't think so ←
15:22:34 <davidwood> q+ to ask about moving changes in the Status section to the Changes section
David Wood: q+ to ask about moving changes in the Status section to the Changes section ←
15:23:01 <manu1> +1 to what MacTed said.
Manu Sporny: +1 to what MacTed said. ←
15:23:01 <AZ> ericP: it's not exact duplication, rather reformulation
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's not exact duplication, rather reformulation ←
15:23:38 <davidwood> ack manu
David Wood: ack manu ←
15:23:38 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to request that JSON-LD be moved to the front of the agenda.
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, you wanted to request that JSON-LD be moved to the front of the agenda. ←
15:24:13 <AZ> manu1: probably if you have to repeat things it means there may be a problem in the organization of the doc
Manu Sporny: probably if you have to repeat things it means there may be a problem in the organization of the doc ←
15:24:53 <AZ> ... it may not be explained well enough, or we are getting too detailed
... it may not be explained well enough, or we are getting too detailed ←
15:25:06 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaee
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15:25:22 <AZ> ... there should be a simple introduction to the concepts
... there should be a simple introduction to the concepts ←
15:25:39 <AZ> ... would that be difficult to reshape it this way
... would that be difficult to reshape it this way ←
15:26:00 <AZ> gavinc: but there are fairly large disagreements
Gavin Carothers: but there are fairly large disagreements ←
15:26:05 <MacTed> q-
Ted Thibodeau: q- ←
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15:26:21 <davidwood> ack davidwood
David Wood: ack davidwood ←
15:26:21 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to ask about moving changes in the Status section to the Changes section
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15:26:30 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aaff
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15:27:07 <AZ> davidwood: there are changes llisted in the status section
David Wood: there are changes llisted in the status section ←
15:27:37 <AZ> gavinc: I'll move that for the last call version
Gavin Carothers: I'll move that for the last call version ←
15:28:01 <AZ> davidwood: it's important to have this doc out, but I understand that work is needed still
David Wood: it's important to have this doc out, but I understand that work is needed still ←
15:28:13 <AZ> davidwood: we have a small agenda today, we can discuss it more
David Wood: we have a small agenda today, we can discuss it more ←
15:28:40 <AZ> gavinc: the issues are not that bad
Gavin Carothers: the issues are not that bad ←
15:28:56 <AZ> ... before Sec 5 are mostly informative
... before Sec 5 are mostly informative ←
15:29:38 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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15:29:46 <manu1> +1 to what EricP just said!
Manu Sporny: +1 to what EricP just said! ←
15:30:00 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:30:02 <ericP> \ O /"
Eric Prud'hommeaux: \ O /" ←
15:30:20 <AZ> ericP: we would probably not benefit a lot from discussing this now, let's have concrete decisions
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we would probably not benefit a lot from discussing this now, let's have concrete decisions ←
15:31:14 <AZ> davidwood: please provide comments again on the document
David Wood: please provide comments again on the document ←
15:31:28 <AZ> Topic: JSON LD
15:32:04 <AZ> davidwood: we had 3 people reviewing JSON LD
David Wood: we had 3 people reviewing JSON LD ←
15:33:13 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:33:16 <manu1> http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/
Manu Sporny: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/ ←
15:33:16 <AZ> AndyS: what is exactly the document I must review?
Andy Seaborne: what is exactly the document I must review? ←
15:33:25 <manu1> http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-api/
Manu Sporny: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-api/ ←
15:33:38 <AZ> manu1: this is the link to the doc you should be reviewing
Manu Sporny: this is the link to the doc you should be reviewing ←
15:34:10 <AZ> ... we will not change that doc while it's being reviewed
... we will not change that doc while it's being reviewed ←
15:34:17 <gavinc> wasn't there a decision to move the document into dvcs.w3.org?
Gavin Carothers: wasn't there a decision to move the document into dvcs.w3.org? ←
15:34:21 <manu1> We responding to RDF WG issues here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0028.html
Manu Sporny: We responding to RDF WG issues here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0028.html ←
15:34:43 <AZ> ... we responded to the comments there
... we responded to the comments there ←
15:35:00 <AZ> ... we tried to aligned as much as possible to RDF concepts
... we tried to aligned as much as possible to RDF concepts ←
15:35:09 <AZ> ... but there are places where we couldn't
... but there are places where we couldn't ←
15:35:51 <AZ> ... there was an issue on "predicate" vs "property"
... there was an issue on "predicate" vs "property" ←
15:36:20 <AZ> ... apart from those remaining details, everything re. terminology was addressed
... apart from those remaining details, everything re. terminology was addressed ←
15:36:43 <AZ> AndyS: the doc should move to w3.org
Andy Seaborne: the doc should move to w3.org ←
15:36:53 <AZ> davidwood: there are some issues with the community
David Wood: there are some issues with the community ←
15:37:15 <AZ> manu1: the JSON community have to get a clean doc and hand it to W3C
Manu Sporny: the JSON community have to get a clean doc and hand it to W3C ←
15:37:32 <davidwood> The RDF WG has agreed to take on the JSON-LD docs, in this form: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30#resolution_2
David Wood: The RDF WG has agreed to take on the JSON-LD docs, in this form: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30#resolution_2 ←
15:38:10 <AZ> ... when the doc is ready to be an FPWD it will be given to the RDF WG
... when the doc is ready to be an FPWD it will be given to the RDF WG ←
15:39:03 <AZ> davidwood: the resolution was to agree to proceed by having the doc prepared under the auspice of the JSON group before going to W3C rec track
David Wood: the resolution was to agree to proceed by having the doc prepared under the auspice of the JSON group before going to W3C rec track ←
15:39:13 <AZ> ... but what about patent policy?
... but what about patent policy? ←
15:39:20 <AndyS> q+ to ask the question he was getting round to :-)
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask the question he was getting round to :-) ←
15:39:56 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:39:56 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask the question he was getting round to :-)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask the question he was getting round to :-) ←
15:40:05 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:41:13 <AZ> manu1: we believ we now have the document that RDF WG asked for
Manu Sporny: we believ we now have the document that RDF WG asked for ←
15:41:26 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:41:51 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
15:41:54 <AZ> manu1: when RDF WG agrees with the state of the doc, we will have all the IP agreement and all the process
Manu Sporny: when RDF WG agrees with the state of the doc, we will have all the IP agreement and all the process ←
15:42:25 <AZ> AndyS: I thought that the doc would move to the w3.org namespace
Andy Seaborne: I thought that the doc would move to the w3.org namespace ←
15:42:55 <AZ> ... and then would review it
... and then would review it ←
15:42:56 <AndyS> PS I did warn about a potential lack of time - still applies.
Andy Seaborne: PS I did warn about a potential lack of time - still applies. ←
15:43:26 <AZ> pchampin: will do the review by Monday (?)
Pierre-Antoine Champin: will do the review by Monday (?) ←
15:43:58 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:44:14 <AZ> manu1: the IP agreement will not be made until it has moved to the RDF WG
Manu Sporny: the IP agreement will not be made until it has moved to the RDF WG ←
15:44:40 <AndyS> q+ to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably.
Andy Seaborne: q+ to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably. ←
15:45:17 <AZ> ivan: at semtech, there was a presentation of JSON LD and some of the audience seemed to find it too complicated
Ivan Herman: at semtech, there was a presentation of JSON LD and some of the audience seemed to find it too complicated ←
15:45:20 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
15:45:40 <AZ> ... some thought parts of the algorithm were not really needed
... some thought parts of the algorithm were not really needed ←
15:46:14 <AZ> ... from a JSON developer point of view, it seemed confusing
... from a JSON developer point of view, it seemed confusing ←
15:46:50 <davidwood> ack gkellogg
David Wood: ack gkellogg ←
15:46:52 <AZ> davidwood: the JSON dev did not want to go into a complete techno stack
David Wood: the JSON dev did not want to go into a complete techno stack ←
15:46:53 <manu1> AZ - Correction - the JSON-LD Syntax and API IPR agreement will not be made until this group says that they are fine with the changes we've made and want to transfer the work into this group as-is.
Manu Sporny: AZ - Correction - the JSON-LD Syntax and API IPR agreement will not be made until this group says that they are fine with the changes we've made and want to transfer the work into this group as-is. ←
15:47:59 <AZ> gkellogg: people were more confused by the transformation going on between formats
Gregg Kellogg: people were more confused by the transformation going on between formats ←
15:48:07 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:48:07 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably.
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably. ←
15:49:22 <AZ> AndyS: who will be editors?
Andy Seaborne: who will be editors? ←
15:49:22 <AZ> davidwood: Greg Kellog, Manu Sporny and Markus
David Wood: Greg Kellog, Manu Sporny and Markus ←
15:49:45 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
15:49:51 <Souri> q+ (at the risk of not fully knowing the exact issue) to express personal preference for "predicate" (because property can be used as subject, predicate, and object)
Souripriya Das: q+ (at the risk of not fully knowing the exact issue) to express personal preference for "predicate" (because property can be used as subject, predicate, and object) ←
15:50:12 <davidwood> ack Souri
David Wood: ack Souri ←
15:50:41 <PatH> sorry Im late.
Patrick Hayes: sorry Im late. ←
15:50:53 <gavinc> properties exist in Javascript already don't they?
Gavin Carothers: properties exist in Javascript already don't they? ←
15:51:05 <AZ> Souri: re. property / predicate, predicate make sense and property may be confusing also
Souripriya Das: re. property / predicate, predicate make sense and property may be confusing also ←
15:51:26 <Souri> pred-obj vs. prop-val, I see
Souripriya Das: pred-obj vs. prop-val, I see ←
15:51:30 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:51:45 <AZ> manu1: for English speakers, predicate seems more technical
Manu Sporny: for English speakers, predicate seems more technical ←
15:52:18 <AZ> ... property is well understood and used in everyday conversation by native English speakers
... property is well understood and used in everyday conversation by native English speakers ←
15:52:31 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:52:35 <gavinc> +q Javascript has property
Gavin Carothers: +q Javascript has property ←
15:52:43 <davidwood> ack gavinc
David Wood: ack gavinc ←
15:52:47 <PatH> technically the predicate denotes the proprty, but that realy is getting pedantic..
Patrick Hayes: technically the predicate denotes the proprty, but that realy is getting pedantic.. ←
15:53:49 <PatH> i am a native and im confused.
Patrick Hayes: i am a native and im confused. ←
15:54:06 <gavinc> Gavin?
Gavin Carothers: Gavin? ←
15:54:09 <gavinc> I'm reviewing?
Gavin Carothers: I'm reviewing? ←
15:54:56 <AZ> manu1: if there is not issues with the reviews, we will proceed with the IPR process
Manu Sporny: if there is not issues with the reviews, we will proceed with the IPR process ←
15:55:12 <AZ> ... otherwise, if there are major issues, we will stop and discuss it
... otherwise, if there are major issues, we will stop and discuss it ←
15:55:14 <PatH> zakim, mute me
Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me ←
15:55:14 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: PatH should now be muted ←
15:55:57 <AZ> ... we will address the issues of the reviews and have the version ready in july
... we will address the issues of the reviews and have the version ready in july ←
15:56:47 <AZ> Topic: AOB
15:57:02 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
15:57:03 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
15:57:04 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aacc ←
15:57:04 <Zakim> -??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P24 ←
15:57:07 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:57:08 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
15:57:08 <Zakim> -ScottB
Zakim IRC Bot: -ScottB ←
15:57:08 <Zakim> -AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall ←
15:57:10 <davidwood> Adjounred
David Wood: Adjounred ←
15:57:10 <AndyS> gavin?
Andy Seaborne: gavin? ←
15:57:12 <ericP> gavinc, meet after (my) lunch?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, meet after (my) lunch? ←
15:57:13 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
15:57:14 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
15:57:17 <davidwood> err, Adjourned
David Wood: err, Adjourned ←
15:57:19 <Zakim> -Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus ←
15:57:26 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:57:31 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect ericP
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please disconnect ericP ←
15:57:31 <Zakim> ericP is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP is being disconnected ←
15:57:32 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:57:36 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:58:22 <AndyS> gavinc, ericP --- see email re grammar problems -- risks being a material change later.
Andy Seaborne: gavinc, ericP --- see email re grammar problems -- risks being a material change later. ←
15:58:54 <gavinc> seen
Gavin Carothers: seen ←
15:58:56 <gavinc> updating
Gavin Carothers: updating ←
15:59:31 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
16:00:34 <AndyS> If it's HTML generation problems, might be elsewhere - inc NT. Didn't check exhaustively.
Andy Seaborne: If it's HTML generation problems, might be elsewhere - inc NT. Didn't check exhaustively. ←
16:06:28 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
16:06:30 <Zakim> -SteveH_
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH_ ←
16:06:59 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:07:00 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:07:02 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, +1.781.273.aaaa, davidwood, MacTed, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, pfps, gkellogg, ScottB, SteveH_, Arnaud, Ivan, AZ, +1.603.897.aacc, pchampin, +1.617.324.aadd,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, +1.781.273.aaaa, davidwood, MacTed, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, pfps, gkellogg, ScottB, SteveH_, Arnaud, Ivan, AZ, +1.603.897.aacc, pchampin, +1.617.324.aadd, ←
16:07:05 <Zakim> ... Guus, +1.443.212.aaee, AlexHall, +1.617.324.aaff, ericP, PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Guus, +1.443.212.aaee, AlexHall, +1.617.324.aaff, ericP, PatH ←
16:07:36 <ericP> AndyS, re precedence ambiguity?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, re precedence ambiguity? ←
16:08:39 <AndyS> EricP
Andy Seaborne: EricP ←
16:09:44 <AndyS> the 166s rule is wrong. Lost some brackets? A B | C = (A B) | C but A (B | C) was meant.
Andy Seaborne: the 166s rule is wrong. Lost some brackets? A B | C = (A B) | C but A (B | C) was meant. ←
16:10:44 <ericP> ahh, that sounds like the sort of error i could have made when i was trying to strip out unnecessary ()s
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ahh, that sounds like the sort of error i could have made when i was trying to strip out unnecessary ()s ←
16:10:53 <gavinc> No.
Gavin Carothers: No. ←
16:11:03 <gavinc> It's not in the .bnf grammar
Gavin Carothers: It's not in the .bnf grammar ←
16:11:11 <gavinc> it's in the HTML produced from the .bnf grammar
Gavin Carothers: it's in the HTML produced from the .bnf grammar ←
16:11:32 <AndyS> DECIMAL thing is wrong in BNF?
Andy Seaborne: DECIMAL thing is wrong in BNF? ←
16:11:38 <gavinc> Yes.
Gavin Carothers: Yes. ←
16:12:21 <gavinc> DECIMAL was C&P pasted from our list email thread on the subject ;)
Gavin Carothers: DECIMAL was C&P pasted from our list email thread on the subject ;) ←
16:12:28 <gavinc> last
Gavin Carothers: last ←
16:13:35 <ericP> gavinc, i had hand-massaged the html so that's why i suspect the culprit whom i mentioned
Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, i had hand-massaged the html so that's why i suspect the culprit whom i mentioned ←
16:13:51 <gavinc> ?
Gavin Carothers: ? ←
16:13:55 <gavinc> when?
Gavin Carothers: when? ←
16:14:39 <ericP> when i had my fingers in the grammar section a few weeks ago
Eric Prud'hommeaux: when i had my fingers in the grammar section a few weeks ago ←
16:15:02 <gavinc> ah, well since then not using yacker ;)
Gavin Carothers: ah, well since then not using yacker ;) ←
16:15:18 <gavinc> https://github.com/norcalrdf/pymantic/blob/master/pymantic/scripts/bnf2html
Gavin Carothers: https://github.com/norcalrdf/pymantic/blob/master/pymantic/scripts/bnf2html ←
16:17:34 <ericP> yacker's toString doesn't pass the parent precendence so it errs on the side of excessive ()s. i think i used it and then stripped out the ()s
Eric Prud'hommeaux: yacker's toString doesn't pass the parent precendence so it errs on the side of excessive ()s. i think i used it and then stripped out the ()s ←
16:18:01 <ericP> that bnf2html uses parent precedence?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: that bnf2html uses parent precedence? ←
16:18:07 <gavinc> yes
Gavin Carothers: yes ←
16:18:16 <gavinc> but didn't seem to work just right ;)
Gavin Carothers: but didn't seem to work just right ;) ←
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