15:58:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-irc ←
15:58:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
15:58:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394 ←
15:58:11 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:58:11 <trackbot> Date: 16 November 2011
15:58:15 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, davidwood ←
15:58:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
15:58:20 <pfps> Topic: Admin
15:58:25 <yvesr> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Yves Raimond: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:58:25 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, yvesr ←
15:58:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, AndyS, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, cygri, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm, manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, AndyS, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, cygri, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm, manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH, ←
15:58:29 <Zakim> ... ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←
15:59:44 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:59:44 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has not yet started, AndyS ←
15:59:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, cygri, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm, manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, cygri, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm, manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH, ←
15:59:48 <Zakim> ... ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←
16:00:16 <AndyS> zakim, this is RDF
Andy Seaborne: zakim, this is RDF ←
16:00:16 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
16:00:22 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
16:00:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, David, +30889aaaa, ??P3, ericP, +1.707.861.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, David, +30889aaaa, ??P3, ericP, +1.707.861.aabb ←
16:00:31 <AndyS> zakim, ??P3 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P3 is me ←
16:00:31 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
16:00:35 <gavinc> Zakim, aabb is me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, aabb is me ←
16:00:36 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←
16:00:37 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P0 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P0 is me ←
16:00:38 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
16:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.707.318.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.318.aacc ←
16:00:42 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
16:00:53 <AndyS> trackbot, start meeting
Andy Seaborne: trackbot, start meeting ←
16:00:54 <cgreer> zakim, aacc is me
Charles Greer: zakim, aacc is me ←
16:00:54 <Zakim> +cgreer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgreer; got it ←
16:00:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
16:00:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394 ←
16:00:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now ←
16:00:57 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
16:00:58 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:00:58 <trackbot> Date: 16 November 2011
16:00:58 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted
Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted ←
16:01:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, David, +30889aaaa, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, cgreer, Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, David, +30889aaaa, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, cgreer, Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
16:01:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, cygri, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm, manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, cygri, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm, manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH, ←
16:01:07 <Zakim> ... ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←
16:01:15 <Zakim> +Arnaud_LeHors
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud_LeHors ←
16:01:36 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aadd ←
16:01:45 <AlexHall> zakim, aadd is me
Alex Hall: zakim, aadd is me ←
16:01:45 <Zakim> +AlexHall; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall; got it ←
16:01:46 <Guus> zakim, +30 is me
Guus Schreiber: zakim, +30 is me ←
16:01:46 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus; got it ←
16:01:51 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
16:01:51 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
16:01:51 <zwu2> zakim, code?
16:01:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2 ←
16:01:53 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:02:31 <Zakim> + +1.650.265.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.265.aaee ←
16:02:38 <zwu2> zakim, +aaee is me
16:02:42 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+aaee'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named '+aaee' ←
16:02:45 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
16:02:47 <Zakim> +Tony
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←
16:02:49 <cygri_> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me ←
16:02:50 <Zakim> +cygri_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri_; got it ←
16:02:53 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
16:02:53 <zwu2> zakim, +1.650.265.aaee is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.650.265.aaee is me ←
16:02:54 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←
16:02:56 <Scott_Bauer> Zakim, Tony is me
Scott Bauer: Zakim, Tony is me ←
16:02:56 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer; got it ←
16:03:01 <Guus> strawpoll telecon on Thanksgiving?
Guus Schreiber: strawpoll telecon on Thanksgiving? ←
16:03:13 <Guus> 0
Guus Schreiber: 0 ←
16:03:14 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: 16 Nov -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.16
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: 16 Nov -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.11.16 ←
16:03:31 <Scott_Bauer> 0
Scott Bauer: 0 ←
16:03:34 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
16:03:37 <davidwood> -1 (I can't attend)
David Wood: -1 (I can't attend) ←
16:03:37 <AndyS> 0 (can make TC, but if insuffcient numbers likely, maybe skip)
Andy Seaborne: 0 (can make TC, but if insuffcient numbers likely, maybe skip) ←
16:03:43 <gavinc> Telecon on day BEFORE thanksgiving (aka busiest travel day of the year?)
Gavin Carothers: Telecon on day BEFORE thanksgiving (aka busiest travel day of the year?) ←
16:03:54 <gavinc> 0
Gavin Carothers: 0 ←
16:04:40 <pfps> scribenick pfps
Peter Patel-Schneider: scribenick pfps ←
16:05:01 <AndyS> scribenick: pfps
(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)
16:05:17 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
16:05:37 <pfps> accept minutes
accept minutes ←
16:05:52 <Zakim> + +33.4.77.42.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.77.42.aaff ←
16:05:52 <pfps> minutes accepted
minutes accepted ←
16:06:47 <pfps> guus: action items
Guus Schreiber: action items ←
16:06:58 <pfps> scribe: pfps
16:07:01 <AZ> zakim, +33.4.77.42.aaff is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, +33.4.77.42.aaff is me ←
16:07:01 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
16:08:28 <pfps> guus: all pending-review actions done
Guus Schreiber: all pending-review actions done ←
16:08:57 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
16:08:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see yvesr, David, Guus, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, cgreer, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Arnaud_LeHors (muted), AlexHall, Ivan, zwu2, cygri_, Scott_Bauer, sandro, Souri, AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see yvesr, David, Guus, AndyS, ericP, gavinc, cgreer, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Arnaud_LeHors (muted), AlexHall, Ivan, zwu2, cygri_, Scott_Bauer, sandro, Souri, AZ ←
16:09:01 <pfps> guus: open action review
Guus Schreiber: open action review ←
16:09:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, Scott_Bauer, zwu2, AlexHall, Arnaud, AndyS, RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cygri, Scott_Bauer, zwu2, AlexHall, Arnaud, AndyS, RRSAgent, Zakim, cgreer, AZ, pfps, Guus, gavinc, MacTed, SteveH, mischat, ivan, LeeF, davidwood, yvesr, mdmdm, ←
16:09:09 <Zakim> ... manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... manu1, trackbot, manu, sandro, NickH, ericP ←
16:09:15 <cygri> zakim, cygri_ is cygri
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, cygri_ is cygri ←
16:09:15 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
16:09:30 <pfps> guus: action 73 - fabien will handle in December
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-73 - fabien will handle in December ←
16:09:53 <pfps> guus: action 82 continued
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-82 continued ←
16:10:07 <pfps> guus: action 94 continued
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-94 continued ←
16:10:53 <Zakim> +??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←
16:10:57 <pfps> guus: action 99 continued
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-99 continued ←
16:11:02 <swh> Zakim, ??P31 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P31 is me ←
16:11:02 <Zakim> +swh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it ←
16:11:29 <pfps> guus: action 100
16:11:33 <pfps> sandro: in progress
Sandro Hawke: in progress ←
16:11:58 <pfps> guus: is action 99 critical?
Guus Schreiber: is ACTION-99 critical? ←
16:12:02 <pfps> sandro: no
Sandro Hawke: no ←
16:12:42 <pfps> guus: close it in favour of 100?
Guus Schreiber: close it in favour of 100? ←
16:12:50 <pfps> sandro: OK
Sandro Hawke: OK ←
16:13:02 <pfps> guus: action 106
16:13:02 <sandro> close action-99
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-99 ←
16:13:02 <trackbot> ACTION-99 Look at ISSUE-11 in relation to SPARQL 1.1 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-99 Look at ISSUE-11 in relation to SPARQL 1.1 closed ←
16:13:22 <pfps> gavin: waiting for action in Concepts
Gavin Carothers: waiting for action in Concepts ←
16:13:43 <pfps> cygri: waiting for approval from Peter and Pat
Richard Cyganiak: waiting for approval from Peter and Pat ←
16:14:34 <pfps> cygri: will push next week
Richard Cyganiak: will push next week ←
16:14:52 <pfps> guus: action 111 continued
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-111 continued ←
16:15:13 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25
ACTION: cygri to add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25 ←
16:15:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25 [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-11-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-122 - Add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25 [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-11-23]. ←
16:15:21 <cygri> ACTION-122?
Richard Cyganiak: ACTION-122? ←
16:15:21 <trackbot> ACTION-122 -- Richard Cyganiak to add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25 -- due 2011-11-23 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-122 -- Richard Cyganiak to add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25 -- due 2011-11-23 -- OPEN ←
16:15:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/122
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/122 ←
16:15:38 <pfps> guus: action 114 continued
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-114 continued ←
16:15:51 <pfps> guus: action 115
16:16:05 <pfps> sandro: did get a reaction from Adobe
Sandro Hawke: did get a reaction from Adobe ←
16:16:10 <pfps> guus: so closed
Guus Schreiber: so closed ←
16:17:31 <pfps> sandro: reaction was rather negative to changes, but deprecation wasn't explicitly mentioned
Sandro Hawke: reaction was rather negative to changes, but deprecation wasn't explicitly mentioned ←
16:18:43 <pfps> action 116 continued
ACTION-116 continued ←
16:18:43 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 116
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 116 ←
16:18:49 <Zakim> +??P32
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←
16:18:49 <pfps> guus: action 116 continued
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-116 continued ←
16:19:02 <mischat> zakim, i am ??P32
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, i am ??P32 ←
16:19:03 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it ←
16:19:07 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
16:19:07 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
16:19:17 <pfps> guus: action 117 - email seen, but still continue
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-117 - email seen, but still continue ←
16:19:26 <pfps> guus: action 118 - email seen, but still continue
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-118 - email seen, but still continue ←
16:19:30 <AndyS> No progress on action 119, maybe this coming week, but not definite (did warn there might be a delay - it came to pass :-|)
Andy Seaborne: No progress on ACTION-119, maybe this coming week, but not definite (did warn there might be a delay - it came to pass :-|) ←
16:19:46 <pfps> guus: action 119 continue
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-119 continue ←
16:19:59 <pfps> guus: action 120 and 121 continue
Guus Schreiber: ACTION-120 and 121 continue ←
16:20:40 <pfps> guus: next week is 'Murican Turkey week
Guus Schreiber: next week is 'Murican Turkey week ←
16:21:19 <pfps> guus: skip a week, next telecon is 30 November
Guus Schreiber: skip a week, next telecon is 30 November ←
16:21:27 <pfps> Topic: ISSUE-79
16:22:14 <pfps> guus: issue 79
16:22:34 <ivan> ISSUE-79?
16:22:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-79 -- What is the value of a literal whose datatype IRI is not a datatype? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-79 -- What is the value of a literal whose datatype IRI is not a datatype? -- raised ←
16:22:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/79
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/79 ←
16:23:20 <pfps> cygri: option 3 - no change to semantics - appears to be the winner, wording may be a bit tricky
Richard Cyganiak: option 3 - no change to semantics - appears to be the winner, wording may be a bit tricky ←
16:23:53 <pfps> guus: consensus may be achieved in the near future
Guus Schreiber: consensus may be achieved in the near future ←
16:24:15 <pfps> Topic: ISSUE-37 and ISSUE-69
16:24:15 <pfps> ISSUE-37?
16:24:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- Handling of fragment identifiers in RDF embedded in other document formats -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- Handling of fragment identifiers in RDF embedded in other document formats -- pending review ←
16:24:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/37
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/37 ←
16:24:23 <pfps> ISSUE-69?
16:24:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-69 -- Handling of fragment identifiers in RDF Concepts -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-69 -- Handling of fragment identifiers in RDF Concepts -- pending review ←
16:24:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/69
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/69 ←
16:24:26 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#section-fragID
Richard Cyganiak: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#section-fragID ←
16:24:55 <pfps> guus: proposal from minutes
Guus Schreiber: proposal from minutes ←
16:26:11 <gavinc> ivan, this has a great deal to do with Turtle in HTML's meaning btw
Gavin Carothers: ivan, this has a great deal to do with Turtle in HTML's meaning btw ←
16:26:17 <gavinc> and how it interacts with RDFa
Gavin Carothers: and how it interacts with RDFa ←
16:26:37 <pfps> cygri: I have new text for RDF Concepts - some review may be warranted, maybe even by TAG
Richard Cyganiak: I have new text for RDF Concepts - some review may be warranted, maybe even by TAG ←
16:27:05 <pfps> guus: consensus on the proposal?
Guus Schreiber: consensus on the proposal? ←
16:28:00 <pfps> gavinc: text should address situations where RDF is embedded in other document types
Gavin Carothers: text should address situations where RDF is embedded in other document types ←
16:28:15 <pfps> cygri: there is a bit there already - please check it out
Richard Cyganiak: there is a bit there already - please check it out ←
16:28:23 <yvesr> q+
Yves Raimond: q+ ←
16:28:48 <pfps> guus: this appears to be all about wording, not anything technical
Guus Schreiber: this appears to be all about wording, not anything technical ←
16:29:32 <pfps> yvesr: some of the wording may be a bit confusing for neophytes
Yves Raimond: some of the wording may be a bit confusing for neophytes ←
16:30:34 <AndyS> ack yvesr
Andy Seaborne: ack yvesr ←
16:30:52 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:31:04 <gavinc> Zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, mute me ←
16:31:04 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted ←
16:31:06 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:31:07 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:31:37 <cygri> PROPOSAL: accept new RDF Concepts section 7
PROPOSED: accept new RDF Concepts section 7 ←
16:32:07 <cygri> PROPOSAL: resolve ISSUE-37 and ISSUE-69 by accepting new RDF Concepts section 7 as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Nov/0056.html
PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-37 and ISSUE-69 by accepting new RDF Concepts section 7 as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Nov/0056.html ←
16:32:11 <yvesr> +1, depending on rephrasing 'Since IRIs in RDF graphs can denote anything, this can be something external to the representation, or even external to the “shared information space” known as the Web.' to something simpler, like 'IRIs in RDF graphs can denote anything, so this is also true for fragment identifiers'
Yves Raimond: +1, depending on rephrasing 'Since IRIs in RDF graphs can denote anything, this can be something external to the representation, or even external to the “shared information space” known as the Web.' to something simpler, like 'IRIs in RDF graphs can denote anything, so this is also true for fragment identifiers' ←
16:32:20 <pfps> +1
+1 ←
16:32:23 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:32:32 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:32:34 <zwu2> +1
16:32:40 <Zakim> + +1.650.917.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.917.aagg ←
16:32:56 <pfps> RESOLVED: resolve ISSUE-37 and ISSUE-69 by accepting new RDF Concepts section 7 as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Nov/0056.html
RESOLVED: resolve ISSUE-37 and ISSUE-69 by accepting new RDF Concepts section 7 as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Nov/0056.html ←
16:32:57 <mischat> +1
Mischa Tuffield: +1 ←
16:33:00 <pfps> Topic: ISSUE-13
16:33:12 <ivan> ISSUE-13?
16:33:12 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- Review RDF XML Literals -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- Review RDF XML Literals -- open ←
16:33:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/13
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/13 ←
16:33:51 <gavinc> Zakim, aagg is JeremyCarroll
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, aagg is JeremyCarroll ←
16:33:51 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeremyCarroll; got it ←
16:33:59 <pfps> guus: jeremy? (good timing)
Guus Schreiber: jeremy? (good timing) ←
16:34:16 <pfps> guus: you wanted to make the point that things have changed, and there is a mess to be fixed
Guus Schreiber: you wanted to make the point that things have changed, and there is a mess to be fixed ←
16:34:35 <pfps> jeremy: I'm only the messenger
Jeremy Carroll: I'm only the messenger ←
16:35:08 <pfps> guus: change requires a new design
Guus Schreiber: change requires a new design ←
16:35:15 <pfps> ivan: there are some emails on the subject
Ivan Herman: there are some emails on the subject ←
16:35:27 <pfps> guus: we need a proposal to move forward
Guus Schreiber: we need a proposal to move forward ←
16:35:47 <pfps> guus: can someone distil a proposal out of the emails?
Guus Schreiber: can someone distil a proposal out of the emails? ←
16:36:34 <pfps> cygri: design from email was close to a last-call design from 2003, can we just pull something from there?
Richard Cyganiak: design from email was close to a last-call design from 2003, can we just pull something from there? ←
16:38:24 <pfps> jeremy: problem with first design is that in RDF/XML the literal is not an XML element, but is instead something else, so processing is ugly
Jeremy Carroll: problem with first design is that in RDF/XML the literal is not an XML element, but is instead something else, so processing is ugly ←
16:38:35 <pfps> ivan: is there any way around that at all?
Ivan Herman: is there any way around that at all? ←
16:38:52 <pfps> jeremy: this was a historical artifact even in 2003
Jeremy Carroll: this was a historical artifact even in 2003 ←
16:39:02 <sandro> does anyone really use this?
Sandro Hawke: does anyone really use this? ←
16:39:48 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:39:58 <pfps> ivan: canonicalization is only needed when comparing XMLLiteral values
Ivan Herman: canonicalization is only needed when comparing XMLLiteral values ←
16:40:20 <gavinc> sandro: No. 'cause as far as I know raptor, python rdflib, and sesame don't work according to the spec ;)
Sandro Hawke: No. 'cause as far as I know raptor, python rdflib, and sesame don't work according to the spec ;) [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
16:40:52 <pfps> jeremy: value space is then equivalence classes under canonicalization, so implementations don't have to canonicalization
Jeremy Carroll: value space is then equivalence classes under canonicalization, so implementations don't have to canonicalization ←
16:40:54 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
16:41:23 <pfps> q-
q- ←
16:41:36 <cygri> q+ to ask if wrapper element is really needed
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to ask if wrapper element is really needed ←
16:41:46 <pfps> q+ to say that implementations don't have to canonicalize even under the current situation
q+ to say that implementations don't have to canonicalize even under the current situation ←
16:42:25 <gavinc> +1000
Gavin Carothers: +1000 ←
16:42:37 <pfps> andy: can we excise XMLLiterals from base RDF, thus lessening their impact?
Andy Seaborne: can we excise XMLLiterals from base RDF, thus lessening their impact? ←
16:42:54 <mischat> ooh, that sounds sensible
Mischa Tuffield: ooh, that sounds sensible ←
16:43:03 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:43:03 <pfps> cygri: I would even prefer them to be optional in datatype maps
Richard Cyganiak: I would even prefer them to be optional in datatype maps ←
16:43:16 <pfps> q+ to say that there was considerable pushback on this
q+ to say that there was considerable pushback on this ←
16:43:33 <AndyS> (still need to deal with in RDF/XML syntax)
Andy Seaborne: (still need to deal with in RDF/XML syntax) ←
16:44:13 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
16:44:15 <ivan> ack AndyS
Ivan Herman: ack AndyS ←
16:44:18 <ivan> ack cygri
Ivan Herman: ack cygri ←
16:44:18 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask if wrapper element is really needed
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to ask if wrapper element is really needed ←
16:44:19 <Guus> ack cygri
Guus Schreiber: ack cygri ←
16:44:27 <gavinc> Yes, well XML got a lot less sexy since 2003
Gavin Carothers: Yes, well XML got a lot less sexy since 2003 ←
16:44:28 <ivan> ack pfps
Ivan Herman: ack pfps ←
16:44:28 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to say that implementations don't have to canonicalize even under the current situation and to say that there was considerable pushback on this
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to say that implementations don't have to canonicalize even under the current situation and to say that there was considerable pushback on this ←
16:44:29 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
16:44:40 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:44:41 <davidwood> It is no longer 2003
David Wood: It is no longer 2003 ←
16:44:46 <pfps> pfps: there was considerable pushback on making XMLLiteral optional in 2003
Peter Patel-Schneider: there was considerable pushback on making XMLLiteral optional in 2003 ←
16:45:13 <pfps> cygri: this may have been for internationalization, which should be muted now
Richard Cyganiak: this may have been for internationalization, which should be muted now ←
16:45:36 <ericP> i believe cygri's proposal sacrifices { <s> <p> "<a:foo xmlns:a="abcd"/> } == { <s> <p> "<b:foo xmlns:b="abcd"/> }
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i believe cygri's proposal sacrifices { <s> <p> "<a:foo xmlns:a="abcd"/> } == { <s> <p> "<b:foo xmlns:b="abcd"/> } ←
16:45:37 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to mention syntax
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to mention syntax ←
16:45:39 <ericP> if we search hard, we might even find someone who's used that
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we search hard, we might even find someone who's used that ←
16:45:47 <gavinc> http://www.google.com/trends?q=XML
Gavin Carothers: http://www.google.com/trends?q=XML ←
16:46:16 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
16:46:35 <pfps> pfps: the people who wanted RDFXML to be the one syntax for RDF wanted XMLLiteral to be required
Peter Patel-Schneider: the people who wanted RDFXML to be the one syntax for RDF wanted XMLLiteral to be required ←
16:46:46 <Guus> ack JeremyCarroll
Guus Schreiber: ack JeremyCarroll ←
16:46:46 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention syntax
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to mention syntax ←
16:46:59 <pfps> andy: there are more syntaxes now, so the situation may have changed
Andy Seaborne: there are more syntaxes now, so the situation may have changed ←
16:47:15 <pfps> jeremy: historical concerns were also a concern in 2003
Jeremy Carroll: historical concerns were also a concern in 2003 ←
16:47:53 <gavinc> PROPOSAL: Move XMLLiteral from Concepts and Semantics into a Note
PROPOSED: Move XMLLiteral from Concepts and Semantics into a Note ←
16:48:25 <mischat> why can't it go into RDF/XML ?
Mischa Tuffield: why can't it go into RDF/XML ? ←
16:48:38 <pfps> ivan: proposal would be that XMLLiteral is just like any other datatype, and not even as important as XML datatypes
Ivan Herman: proposal would be that XMLLiteral is just like any other datatype, and not even as important as XML datatypes ←
16:49:02 <pfps> andy: document on XMLLiteral could be REC or NOTE
Andy Seaborne: document on XMLLiteral could be REC or NOTE ←
16:49:12 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:49:48 <Guus> suggest to go with with keeping it in doc as opaque datatype
Guus Schreiber: suggest to go with with keeping it in doc as opaque datatype ←
16:49:48 <pfps> ivan: separate document may be overkill - how about in the document but maybe optional?
Ivan Herman: separate document may be overkill - how about in the document but maybe optional? ←
16:49:55 <cygri> ivan +0.9
Richard Cyganiak: ivan +0.9 ←
16:50:17 <AndyS> Put it in syntax? (as mischat)
Andy Seaborne: Put it in syntax? (as mischat) ←
16:50:21 <mischat> given that is only used in rdfxml why not move it in there ?
Mischa Tuffield: given that is only used in rdfxml why not move it in there ? ←
16:50:39 <AndyS> Various mentions in semantics
Andy Seaborne: Various mentions in semantics ←
16:50:40 <ericP> q+ to ask if the goal is that folks not have to canonicalize, or not have to parse, store and serialize "blah blah blah"^^rdf:XMLLiteral ?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask if the goal is that folks not have to canonicalize, or not have to parse, store and serialize "blah blah blah"^^rdf:XMLLiteral ? ←
16:50:43 <pfps> cygri: moving it out of the core documents is appealing, but it is mostly harmless to keep it in
Richard Cyganiak: moving it out of the core documents is appealing, but it is mostly harmless to keep it in ←
16:51:03 <pfps> andy: how about making it an appendix?
Andy Seaborne: how about making it an appendix? ←
16:51:07 <swh> mischat, that would mean you couldn't do RDF/XML -> Turtle without loss - not necessarily a big thing
Steve Harris: mischat, that would mean you couldn't do RDF/XML -> Turtle without loss - not necessarily a big thing ←
16:51:08 <pfps> pfps: how about making it a footnote?
Peter Patel-Schneider: how about making it a footnote? ←
16:51:30 <pfps> guus: let's get the editor to propose wording
Guus Schreiber: let's get the editor to propose wording ←
16:51:44 <mischat> swh you can't at the moment, re: uriRef and iri , and other things iirc
Mischa Tuffield: swh you can't at the moment, re: uriRef and iri , and other things iirc ←
16:52:01 <pfps> guus: proposal - keep XMLLiteral in documents, but make it optional
Guus Schreiber: proposal - keep XMLLiteral in documents, but make it optional ←
16:52:08 <ericP> q-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←
16:52:11 <pfps> ivan: OK by me
Ivan Herman: OK by me ←
16:52:36 <pfps> jeremy: opposition to this proposal is likely to be outside this group
Jeremy Carroll: opposition to this proposal is likely to be outside this group ←
16:53:17 <pfps> ericP: are we expecting canonicalization
Eric Prud'hommeaux: are we expecting canonicalization ←
16:53:45 <pfps> jeremy: yes, we expect canonicalization, but there are people who don't, and won't
Jeremy Carroll: yes, we expect canonicalization, but there are people who don't, and won't ←
16:54:08 <pfps> ivan: can we state where canonicalization is to happen?
Ivan Herman: can we state where canonicalization is to happen? ←
16:54:18 <pfps> ivan: currently many implementations don't conform here
Ivan Herman: currently many implementations don't conform here ←
16:54:49 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:55:01 <pfps> jeremy: early canonicalization is easier, particularly in XMLLiteral
Jeremy Carroll: early canonicalization is easier, particularly in XMLLiteral ←
16:55:03 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
16:55:13 <pfps> q+ for a modest proposal
q+ for a modest proposal ←
16:55:49 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:55:52 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
16:56:16 <zwu2> an example http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/misc-200-xmlliteral
Zhe Wu: an example http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/misc-200-xmlliteral ←
16:56:29 <pfps> ivan: jeremy - I do not agree that XMLLiteral is used only in RDFXML, e.g., DRUPAL
Ivan Herman: jeremy - I do not agree that XMLLiteral is used only in RDFXML, e.g., DRUPAL ←
16:56:33 <AndyS> HTML in RDF is another matter.
Andy Seaborne: HTML in RDF is another matter. ←
16:56:41 <cygri> i'd like to do this in turtle: <> dc:title "E=mc<sup>2</sup>"
Richard Cyganiak: i'd like to do this in turtle: <> dc:title "E=mc<sup>2</sup>" ←
16:56:53 <gavinc> q+ to point out that XMLLiterals in Turtle are almost all invalid
Gavin Carothers: q+ to point out that XMLLiterals in Turtle are almost all invalid ←
16:57:19 <ericP> cygri, { <> dc:title "E=mc<sup>2</sup>"^^rdf:XMLLiteral } >
Eric Prud'hommeaux: cygri, { <> dc:title "E=mc<sup>2</sup>"^^rdf:XMLLiteral } > ←
16:57:37 <gavinc> Nope, that's not valid either ericP ;)
Gavin Carothers: Nope, that's not valid either ericP ;) ←
16:57:42 <pfps> jeremy: if you are creating XMLLiterals you should be doing it right (which is not easy)
Jeremy Carroll: if you are creating XMLLiterals you should be doing it right (which is not easy) ←
16:57:50 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
16:57:50 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to discuss a modest proposal
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to discuss a modest proposal ←
16:58:01 <gavinc> <> dc:title "E=mc<sup>2</sup>"^^my:HTMLLiteral ;)
Gavin Carothers: <> dc:title "E=mc<sup>2</sup>"^^my:HTMLLiteral ;) ←
16:58:05 <JeremyCarroll> jeremy: was misscribed ....
Jeremy Carroll: was misscribed .... [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
16:58:15 <davidwood> pfps +1
David Wood: pfps +1 ←
16:58:26 <sandro> +1 I like the idea of "just string"....
Sandro Hawke: +1 I like the idea of "just string".... ←
16:58:27 <pfps> pfps: how about making XMLLiteral be string, and pushing off to parsing
Peter Patel-Schneider: how about making XMLLiteral be string, and pushing off to parsing ←
16:58:28 <mischat> +1
Mischa Tuffield: +1 ←
16:59:14 <sandro> why canonicalize it in RDF/XML ?
Sandro Hawke: why canonicalize it in RDF/XML ? ←
16:59:29 <cygri> sandro, because RDF/XML does that already
Richard Cyganiak: sandro, because RDF/XML does that already ←
16:59:51 <sandro> guus: so the datatype is basically just a semaphore
Guus Schreiber: so the datatype is basically just a semaphore [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:00:12 <gavinc> Oh god, oh god, oh god
Gavin Carothers: Oh god, oh god, oh god ←
17:00:25 <pfps> jeremy: then RDF/XML spec specifies canonicalization, and value space is canonicalization equivalence classes
Jeremy Carroll: then RDF/XML spec specifies canonicalization, and value space is canonicalization equivalence classes ←
17:00:28 <zwu2> not a bad implementation :)
Zhe Wu: not a bad implementation :) ←
17:00:37 <pfps> pfps: this would not be my proposal
Peter Patel-Schneider: this would not be my proposal ←
17:00:50 <Guus> ipeter's proposal makes the spec easier; I like that
Guus Schreiber: ipeter's proposal makes the spec easier; I like that ←
17:01:00 <pfps> ivan: in a triple store, what do I do with an XML Literal
Ivan Herman: in a triple store, what do I do with an XML Literal ←
17:01:11 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
17:01:20 <pfps> pfps: in my proposal, it is just a string - I think that this codifies current practice
Peter Patel-Schneider: in my proposal, it is just a string - I think that this codifies current practice ←
17:01:24 <gavinc> q-
Gavin Carothers: q- ←
17:02:17 <AndyS> FILTER(007 = 7) is true.
Andy Seaborne: FILTER(007 = 7) is true. ←
17:02:56 <AndyS> Strict, minimal pattern matching (RDF) and FILTER (XSD) differ
Andy Seaborne: Strict, minimal pattern matching (RDF) and FILTER (XSD) differ ←
17:03:26 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to add to Ricghard's point
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to add to Ricghard's point ←
17:03:26 <pfps> cygri: canonicalization is because RDF/XML parsers change the input, so canonicalization is the only way to recover
Richard Cyganiak: canonicalization is because RDF/XML parsers change the input, so canonicalization is the only way to recover ←
17:03:50 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:03:57 <pfps> cygri: so canonicalization in RDF/XML makes sense, and everyone else just leaves it alone
Richard Cyganiak: so canonicalization in RDF/XML makes sense, and everyone else just leaves it alone ←
17:04:10 <Guus> ack cygri
Guus Schreiber: ack cygri ←
17:04:26 <ericP> i think cygri's suggestion applies to RDF/XML using parseType="Literal", but probably not to <rdf:Description><foo:bar rdf:datatype="http://...XMLLiteral">E=mc<sup>2</sup></foo:bar><rdf:Description>
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i think cygri's suggestion applies to RDF/XML using parseType="Literal", but probably not to <rdf:Description><foo:bar rdf:datatype="http://...XMLLiteral">E=mc<sup>2</sup></foo:bar><rdf:Description> ←
17:04:33 <pfps> cygri: canonicalization for comparison appears to be missing a use case
Richard Cyganiak: canonicalization for comparison appears to be missing a use case ←
17:04:48 <Guus> ack JeremyCarroll
Guus Schreiber: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:04:48 <cygri> ericP, yes, i meant only parseType="Literal"
Richard Cyganiak: ericP, yes, i meant only parseType="Literal" ←
17:05:00 <pfps> jeremy: RDF/XML spec also requires ignoring some syntax features
Jeremy Carroll: RDF/XML spec also requires ignoring some syntax features ←
17:05:03 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
17:05:15 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to add to Ricghard's point
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to add to Ricghard's point ←
17:05:33 <ericP> q?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q? ←
17:05:46 <pfps> ivan: in turtle, XMLLiteral is just passed through; why do differently in RDF/XML?
Ivan Herman: in turtle, XMLLiteral is just passed through; why do differently in RDF/XML? ←
17:06:12 <pfps> ivan: RDF/XML parsing does something
Ivan Herman: RDF/XML parsing does something ←
17:06:59 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
17:07:02 <pfps> cygri: RDF/XML parsers use an XML parser, which may modify strings
Richard Cyganiak: RDF/XML parsers use an XML parser, which may modify strings ←
17:07:32 <ericP> q+ to say RDF/XML's parseType="Literal" would produce a subset of the possible lexical space. turtle-writers looking for equivalence with stuff parsed in RDF/XML would probably want to utter their text in a canonical form.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to say RDF/XML's parseType="Literal" would produce a subset of the possible lexical space. turtle-writers looking for equivalence with stuff parsed in RDF/XML would probably want to utter their text in a canonical form. ←
17:07:48 <pfps> ivan: agreed, but who cares, d-entailment will fix
Ivan Herman: agreed, but who cares, d-entailment will fix ←
17:08:17 <pfps> cygri: but RDF says that these changes should not occur when storing
Richard Cyganiak: but RDF says that these changes should not occur when storing ←
17:08:29 <gavinc> No
Gavin Carothers: No ←
17:08:31 <pfps> ivan: so change MUST to SHOULD
Ivan Herman: so change MUST to SHOULD ←
17:08:32 <gavinc> They don't
Gavin Carothers: They don't ←
17:08:51 <gavinc> raptor, rdflib, etc
Gavin Carothers: raptor, rdflib, etc ←
17:08:54 <pfps> pfps: I agree with gavin
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with gavin ←
17:08:56 <Guus> ack ericP
Guus Schreiber: ack ericP ←
17:08:56 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say RDF/XML's parseType="Literal" would produce a subset of the possible lexical space. turtle-writers looking for equivalence with stuff parsed in RDF/XML
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to say RDF/XML's parseType="Literal" would produce a subset of the possible lexical space. turtle-writers looking for equivalence with stuff parsed in RDF/XML ←
17:09:02 <Zakim> ... would probably want to utter their text in a canonical form.
Zakim IRC Bot: ... would probably want to utter their text in a canonical form. ←
17:09:46 <pfps> eric: RDFXML parsing produces a subset of the literal space, others should stick to this subset but need not
Eric Prud'hommeaux: RDFXML parsing produces a subset of the literal space, others should stick to this subset but need not ←
17:10:46 <swh> Zakim, who is speaking?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
17:10:59 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (9%), Ivan (84%)
Zakim IRC Bot: swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (9%), Ivan (84%) ←
17:11:12 <pfps> ivan: literal space has a bunch of XML Literals, parsers do different things
Ivan Herman: literal space has a bunch of XML Literals, parsers do different things ←
17:11:38 <pfps> guus: continue debate and see where we get
Guus Schreiber: continue debate and see where we get ←
17:12:15 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
17:13:10 <pfps> guus: action on issue 76 on semantics
Guus Schreiber: action on ISSUE-76 on semantics ←
17:13:22 <gavinc> Whoohoo! Named Graphs!
Gavin Carothers: Whoohoo! Named Graphs! ←
17:13:26 <gavinc> Topic: Named Graphs
17:13:59 <pfps> guus: some consensus that graph names should be URIs
Guus Schreiber: some consensus that graph names should be URIs ←
17:14:10 <pfps> sandro: what
Sandro Hawke: what ←
17:14:16 <pfps> guus: the four slot
Guus Schreiber: the four slot ←
17:14:35 <pfps> sandro: graph label was also not objectionable
Sandro Hawke: graph label was also not objectionable ←
17:14:48 <sandro> sandro: don't call it 'graph name', call it "graph label" or "fourth column"
Sandro Hawke: don't call it 'graph name', call it "graph label" or "fourth column" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:14:57 <pfps> guus: any more consensus?
Guus Schreiber: any more consensus? ←
17:15:18 <gavinc> Question!
Gavin Carothers: Question! ←
17:15:21 <gavinc> q+
Gavin Carothers: q+ ←
17:15:40 <pfps> Topic: Close pending issues
17:15:43 <pfps> guus: closing pending issues
Guus Schreiber: closing pending issues ←
17:16:16 <gavinc> ah well
Gavin Carothers: ah well ←
17:16:20 <gavinc> -q :(
Gavin Carothers: -q :( ←
17:16:26 <mischat> bye
Mischa Tuffield: bye ←
17:16:30 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeremyCarroll ←
17:16:32 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
17:16:32 <cgreer> thanks
Charles Greer: thanks ←
17:16:34 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
17:16:35 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
17:16:35 <Zakim> -swh
Zakim IRC Bot: -swh ←
17:16:36 <Zakim> -David
Zakim IRC Bot: -David ←
17:16:36 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
17:16:38 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
17:16:39 <Zakim> -AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall ←
17:16:41 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
17:16:43 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:16:45 <Zakim> -Arnaud_LeHors
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud_LeHors ←
17:16:47 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
17:16:49 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
17:17:00 <gavinc> So we're about half way into the WG time line... expected publication date for TriG? :\
Gavin Carothers: So we're about half way into the WG time line... expected publication date for TriG? :\ ←
17:17:26 <Zakim> -Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus ←
17:17:28 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
17:17:37 <Zakim> -mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat ←
17:17:45 <gavinc> trackbot, end meeting
Gavin Carothers: trackbot, end meeting ←
17:17:45 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:17:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been David, +30889aaaa, ericP, +1.707.861.aabb, AndyS, gavinc, yvesr, +1.707.318.aacc, Peter_Patel-Schneider, cgreer, Arnaud_LeHors,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been David, +30889aaaa, ericP, +1.707.861.aabb, AndyS, gavinc, yvesr, +1.707.318.aacc, Peter_Patel-Schneider, cgreer, Arnaud_LeHors, ←
17:17:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:17:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:17:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:17:47 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
17:17:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cygri to add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25 [1]
ACTION: cygri to add list of XSD types to Concepts (assuming no objection from PatH or pfps) until 2011-11-25 [1] ←
17:17:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-irc#T16-15-13
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/16-rdf-wg-irc#T16-15-13 ←
17:17:49 <Zakim> ... +1.443.212.aadd, AlexHall, Guus, Ivan, sandro, zwu2, Scott_Bauer, Souri, AZ, cygri, swh, mischat, +1.650.917.aagg, JeremyCarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.443.212.aadd, AlexHall, Guus, Ivan, sandro, zwu2, Scott_Bauer, Souri, AZ, cygri, swh, mischat, +1.650.917.aagg, JeremyCarroll ←
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