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Norm apologizes for messing up GMT in the agenda. And for the long delay since our last meeting
-> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-agenda
Accepted.
-> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/03/08-minutes
Accepted.
Accepted.
-> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/comments/
Norm: I closed comment 001 as it wasn't really a comment.
Norm: I think these are all editorial and am happy to accept them. Any disagreement?
None heard:
Norm: I'm of two minds on this one. I think of XML as having a DTD language and a set of vocabularies.
Henri: I think Julian's point is well taken, I suggest we call it a framework.
Norm: I'm happy to take that as
editorial direction and make a stab at it.
... Any objections?
None heard.
Norm: Isn't really acomment...
-> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/comments/#C005
Norm: The first two are
editorial.
... Robin suggests we just say "polyglot has limited
applicability"
Henri: I think Robin's comments
all make sense.
... I'd say that the the parser doesn't actually guarantee that
the output is valid, only that it's well defined.
John: Tagsoup is the same way.
Norm: Ok, if there's general
agreement about Robin's comments, I'll attempt to address them
all.
... Any objections?
None heard.
Henri: The first comment is about the fact that the draft is misleading. It doesn't "just work". It's way overoptimistic. There are issues with, for example, empty tags.
Norm: Perhaps I overstated the case. I'll try to soften that statement. Or at least make it more accurate.
Henri: I suggest just removing the paragraph.
Norm; That looks reasonable to me.
Henri: The substance of my next comment matches the substance of one of Robin's.
Norm: Ok, I'll try to fix that as well.
Henri: My next comment is about
interfacing subsystems. Using the HTML parser when you have
XHTML5 in a larger document is just weird. I would assume that
you wouldn't clip anything out and hand it to an HTML5 parser.
You'd pass the parsed object model around, not the text.
... I don't think the HTML5 parser needs to be involved in any
way.
... And then there's something about MIME and such and I think
that steps outside the scope of using an XML document as a
container.
... It seems out-of-place.
Norm: That was explicitly called out as one of the possible solutions when we were considering the use case.
Henri: What the document says
about the script tag is factually incorrect.
... what you get in the DOM is not escaped in any way.
Norm: Yes, thats's a totally
misleading statement. I'll fix that.
... Any other questions or comments about Henri's comments?
None heard.
Norm: I think this is about the
same paragraph Robin and Henri commented on.
... Does anyone have any suggestions for the illustration Kurt
suggests?
None heard.
Henri: I think there's a slippery
slope towards rewriting the polyglot guide if we go that
direction.
... I think we can provide some examples without trying to be
exhaustive.
Bob expresses a desire for some examples.
Yeah, sorry Yves, I borked the agenda because of DST
Norm: I think Noah and John have
both observed that making XML "more forgiving of errors" is a
harder problem than the draft suggests.
... I'll try to improve that.
Adjourned.