IRC log of swxg on 2010-09-01

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 7994

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ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()10:30AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference

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Date: 01 September 2010

14:31:01 [mischat_]

mmm

14:32:43 [hhalpin]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:32:43 [Zakim]

INC_SWXG()10:30AM has not yet started, hhalpin

14:32:45 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, hhalpin, mischat, MacTed, oshani, renato, danbri, tlr, FabGandon, karl, AlexPassant, trackbot

14:38:41 [hhalpin]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:38:41 [Zakim]

INC_SWXG()10:30AM has not yet started, hhalpin

14:38:42 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, hhalpin, mischat, MacTed, oshani, renato, danbri, tlr, FabGandon, karl, AlexPassant, trackbot

14:38:56 [tlr]

zakim, this is SWXG

14:38:56 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; that matches INC_SWXG()10:30AM

14:39:02 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone

14:39:02 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the phone', tlr

14:39:04 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:39:04 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P22, ??P16, [Garlik]

14:39:18 [hhalpin]

Zakim, ??P22 is hhalpin

14:39:18 [Zakim]

+hhalpin; got it

14:39:24 [hhalpin]

Zakim, ??P16 is renato

14:39:24 [Zakim]

+renato; got it

14:39:33 [hhalpin]

Zakim, [Garlik] is mischa

14:39:33 [Zakim]

+mischa; got it

14:39:41 [hhalpin]

chair: hhalpin

14:39:43 [mischat]

zakime, mute me

14:39:45 [hhalpin]

scribe: mischa

14:39:49 [mischat]

zakim, mute me

14:39:49 [Zakim]

sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:40:01 [danbri]

is zakim hosed, or worth trying to dial?

14:40:08 [renato]

ODRL Website http://odrl.net/

14:40:12 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-781

14:40:12 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

14:40:13 [mischat]

danbri: call but ask for admin assitance

14:40:13 [Zakim]

+Thomas

14:40:19 [hhalpin]

Renathttp://odrl.net/2.0/WD-ODRL-XML.html

14:40:21 [tlr]

zakim, I am thomas

14:40:21 [Zakim]

ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

14:40:23 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

14:40:23 [Zakim]

Thomas should now be muted

14:40:28 [mischat]

hhalpin, is asking about ODRL

14:40:31 [tlr]

danbri, zakim seems to have resurrected itself

14:40:36 [hhalpin]

http://odrl.net/2.0/WD-ODRL-Vocab.html

14:40:43 [mischat]

renato: ODRL was developed around 10 years ago

14:40:45 [hhalpin]

everything is still kinda XML :)

14:40:54 [mischat]

renato: in the XML world of DRM

14:40:59 [hhalpin]

http://odrl.net/2.0/DS-ODRL-Model.html

14:41:22 [mischat]

renato: ODRL is for expressing right, trying to abstract away from DRM, it is was intended to be a more general policy language

14:41:49 [hhalpin]

Which handsets?

14:41:59 [hhalpin]

I see Nokia and Vodafone...

14:42:03 [hhalpin]

on the web-pgae

14:42:04 [mischat]

renato: saying that the biggest deployment is actually a DRM based handset

14:42:07 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:42:15 [danbri]

zakim, [IPcaller] is danbri

14:42:15 [Zakim]

+danbri; got it

14:42:18 [mischat]

ODRL can also handle creative commons

14:42:30 [hhalpin]

also, do we have a URI for creative commons?

14:42:30 [mischat]

there are a bunch of working groups

14:42:39 [mischat]

ODRL is going to be a policy language

14:42:43 [mischat]

in version 2.0

14:42:43 [renato]

Editors draft http://odrl.net/2.0/DS-ODRL-Model-20100831.html

14:43:09 [mischat]

the new model ^^ (updated yesterday), it now based around policies

14:43:14 [mischat]

and not around rights

14:43:36 [renato]

SN use cases http://odrl.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Social+Networks+Profile

14:43:48 [mischat]

ODRL have been looking at requirement for describing policies for social networking

14:44:12 [mischat]

^^ trying to express social networking constructs such as "all of my groups" or "all my connections"

14:44:30 [hhalpin]

DAP?

14:44:32 [renato]

W3C Privacy Rulesets Editor's Draft 21 April 2010

14:44:39 [mischat]

and how such things would be expressed in a machine-readable manner

14:44:41 [renato]

http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/privacy-rulesets/

14:44:47 [mischat]

yes that is a part of DAP

14:45:00 [hhalpin]

http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/privacy-rulesets/

14:45:02 [renato]

Express in ODRL: http://odrl.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=W3C+Privacy+Rulesets

14:45:09 [mischat]

the privacy-rulesets work has got some use cases around social networking use cases

14:45:31 [mischat]

ODRL group have mapped the use cases drawn out by the DAP

14:45:42 [mischat]

:)

14:46:13 [mischat]

ODRL are trying to prove that the social networking use cases can be expressed in ODRL 2.0

14:46:23 [mischat]

there is an XML encoding

14:46:25 [hhalpin]

maybe a RIF encoding?

14:46:39 [mischat]

people from Koblenz are looking at an RDF and OWL encoding

14:46:51 [mischat]

ORDL think that these are all very important

14:46:59 [mischat]

s/ORDL/ODRL/

14:47:14 [mischat]

the "plus collation"?

14:47:32 [mischat]

ODRL are looking at ACAP (access control) people

14:47:33 [mischat]

?

14:47:42 [mischat]

renato: can you clarify those two groups in IRC ?

14:48:04 [renato]

PLUS Coalition http://www.useplus.com/

14:48:45 [renato]

ACAP http://www.the-acap.org/

14:48:51 [hhalpin]

http://www.useplus.com/aboutplus/coalition.asp

14:49:08 [mischat]

PLUC Coalition and ACAP (automated content) access protocol -> http://www.the-acap.org/

14:49:09 [mischat]

?

14:49:25 [mischat]

hhalpin: asked if you can express payment / monitary obligations

14:49:37 [mischat]

so yes, you can express payments in the ODRL

14:49:54 [mischat]

ODRL is a community/grass roots organisations

14:50:17 [mischat]

the work is undertaken in good will, and lots of momentum this last year

14:50:40 [mischat]

ODRL are thinking that the W3C could be a good place to host the ODRL as a standard for policy language

14:50:42 [mischat]

q+

14:51:01 [hhalpin]

q+

14:51:15 [mischat]

ODRL would like to see an easy way to express policy for web content

14:52:27 [mischat]

w3c had a DRM workshop in 2001, and ODRL was there, and renato feels that now is time that policy/privacy standards need to expressed

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14:53:00 [hhalpin]

ack mischa

14:53:00 [mischat]

ODRL has done the work of designing policy/privacy standards, and they feel that they can get the ball rolling quickly

14:53:05 [mischat]

zakim, unmute me

14:53:05 [Zakim]

sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:53:15 [mischat]

zakim, unmute me

14:53:15 [Zakim]

sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:53:40 [hhalpin]

Zakim, unmute me

14:53:40 [Zakim]

hhalpin was not muted, hhalpin

14:53:46 [hhalpin]

Zakim, unmute Mischa

14:53:46 [Zakim]

mischa was not muted, hhalpin

14:53:48 [mischat]

zakim, unmute mischa

14:53:48 [Zakim]

mischa was not muted, mischat

14:56:44 [mischat]

renato: ODRL is talking to OneSocialWeb

14:56:50 [hhalpin]

an XMPP binding is in planned for one social web

14:57:32 [mischat]

3 concepts : Access Control, Usage Control, Privacy Control

14:57:48 [mischat]

Access Control => authenticate, and then see content

14:58:09 [mischat]

Permission Control => reuse of such data

14:58:17 [hhalpin]

so policy has a focus on re-use and obligations (i.e. credit, payment)

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Privacy Control => Putting obligations ontop

14:59:00 [mischat]

zakim, mute mischa

14:59:00 [Zakim]

mischa should now be muted

14:59:06 [danbri]

(are openid folk joining in 2mins?)

14:59:19 [mischat]

hhalpin: asked what is the next concrete step for ODRL ?

14:59:38 [mischat]

renato: from ODRL's POV they would like a working group

14:59:58 [mischat]

renato: thinks that there is enough expertise

15:00:07 [mischat]

it needs to scoped, not to general

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15:00:34 [danbri]

re WGs, what's W3C's annual 'active WG' budget?

15:00:54 [Zakim]

+ +1.415.846.aaaa

15:00:55 [mischat]

RIF

15:00:58 [mischat]

and AIR ?

15:01:13 [mischat]

privacy-rulesets

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not privacy-icons

15:01:28 [Zakim]

+ +1.510.931.aabb

15:01:42 [danbri]

2 ppl joined

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+OpenLink_Software

15:01:47 [dom]

zakim, code?

15:01:47 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom

15:01:49 [Zakim]

+ +1.503.341.aacc

15:01:55 [mischat]

loads of people !

15:02:04 [danbri]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:04 [Zakim]

On the phone I see hhalpin, renato, mischa (muted), Thomas (muted), danbri, +1.415.846.aaaa, +1.510.931.aabb, OpenLink_Software, +1.503.341.aacc

15:02:06 [hhalpin]

Zakim, aabb is bblfish

15:02:06 [Zakim]

+bblfish; got it

15:02:14 [renato]

Privacy icons paper http://virtualgoods.org/2010/program.html

15:02:18 [hhalpin]

Zakim, Dick is aaaa

15:02:18 [Zakim]

sorry, hhalpin, I do not recognize a party named 'Dick'

15:02:18 [MacTed]

dratted calendar didn't adjust my start time :-(

15:02:20 [tlr]

I recommend reviewing the workshop report

15:02:22 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/report.html

15:02:31 [MacTed]

Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:02:31 [Zakim]

+MacTed; got it

15:02:38 [Zakim]

+??P17

15:02:41 [dom]

zakim, ??P17 is me

15:02:41 [Zakim]

+dom; got it

15:02:44 [mischat]

renato: thinks that we should be pushing WG

15:02:53 [Zakim]

+ +1.617.513.aadd

15:02:54 [Zakim]

-hhalpin

15:02:57 [renato]

bye

15:02:59 [danbri]

tlr, does w3c have a figure for how many WGs can run at same time, roughly?

15:03:20 [MacTed]

Zakim, who's here?

15:03:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see renato, mischa (muted), Thomas (muted), danbri, +1.415.846.aaaa, bblfish, MacTed, +1.503.341.aacc, dom, +1.617.513.aadd

15:03:22 [Zakim]

On IRC I see DKA, dom, Zakim, RRSAgent, hhalpin, mischat, MacTed, danbri, tlr, FabGandon, karl, AlexPassant, trackbot

15:03:29 [mischat]

OpenID Connect and Facebook Connect

15:03:36 [manu_]

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15:03:39 [MacTed]

Zakim, aaaa is Dick

15:03:39 [Zakim]

+Dick; got it

15:03:51 [danbri]

is this OpenID Connect -and- OpenID vNext?

15:03:58 [tlr]

yes

15:04:10 [danbri]

not fb connect, then (as scribed above)

15:04:14 [mischat]

:)

15:04:38 [manu_]

zakim, code?

15:04:38 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu_

15:04:38 [mischat]

Dick: talking about OpenID vNext

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since the OpenID Connect came about, it has then dried up some energy around vNExt

15:05:24 [danbri]

openid mailing lists: http://openid.net/developers/dev-mailing-lists

15:05:30 [Zakim]

+ +8014aaee

15:05:30 [mischat]

vNext was meant to fix some issues around openid, security

15:05:37 [danbri]

http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo

15:05:37 [manu_]

zakim, I am aaee

15:05:37 [Zakim]

+manu_; got it

15:05:52 [mischat]

one of the goals was to allow too into key's/browser based support for openid

15:06:09 [MacTed]

Zakim, mute me

15:06:09 [Zakim]

MacTed should now be muted

15:06:13 [mischat]

1 discovery, 2 protocol 3 usability 4 attributes

15:06:22 [mischat]

the working has been broken up into ^^

15:06:36 [mischat]

various people have been interested in various different aspects

15:06:49 [mischat]

zakim, who is making noise ?

15:06:55 [Zakim]

+DKA

15:06:58 [mischat]

vNext looked like a lot of work

15:07:00 [Zakim]

mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 11 (64%), bblfish (5%), +1.503.341.aacc (79%)

15:07:04 [DKA]

zakim, mute me

15:07:04 [Zakim]

DKA should now be muted

15:07:08 [mischat]

so openid connect came around

15:07:39 [mischat]

they noticed that identity alone

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was going to cause mass adoption

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was NOT

15:08:22 [mischat]

so, it seemed that you needed more than just identity, this can be seen in the adoption of facebook connect

15:09:00 [mischat]

OAuth was never designed to be used by humans

15:09:07 [mischat]

no concept of identity, discovery

15:09:25 [hhalpin]

OpenID connect includes profile+APIs+identity out of standardized patterns

15:09:26 [mischat]

OpenID Connect, is trying to combine identity, APIs, and profile

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information

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like we are seeing on the web today

15:10:07 [manu_]

q+ to ask about crypto-backed identity

15:10:20 [danbri]

q+ to ask what you say when people ask if they're 2 technologies in competition

15:10:41 [mischat]

hhalpin: there is this talk of the national id system? which must be heavy security? What is the OpenID's take on this

15:11:11 [mischat]

US gov has a different focus from the european counterparts

15:11:24 [mischat]

the US gov are not talking about issuing identity

15:11:41 [mischat]

there is lots of work by John Bradley (?)

15:12:03 [mischat]

looking at how to make openid profiles more security

15:12:24 [mischat]

openid 2.0 is fairly low on security

15:12:30 [mischat]

there is also work by (?)

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using artifact binding

15:12:58 [mischat]

q+

15:13:23 [mischat]

one of the goals of the OpenID vNext was to move up the security stack

15:13:28 [mischat]

level 2 or something ...

15:14:59 [mischat]

hhalpin: asks about further browser integration, what is the critical path for browser integration ?

15:15:42 [mischat]

Dick: browser integration was a goal of vNext

15:16:12 [mischat]

whereas in OpenID connect, there are API calls, so it is near on impossible to having client based identity support

15:16:20 [danbri]

q?

15:16:27 [hhalpin]

ack hhalpin

15:16:38 [mischat]

there is still a role for the browser

15:16:57 [mischat]

i.e. what identity are you using at the moment, which sites are you logged in to?

15:17:26 [mischat]

so there are some real problems that need solving in OpenID Connect world

15:17:51 [mischat]

in the browser, but unlike vNext, there is no intention to hold the identity in the browser

15:17:55 [hhalpin]

http://www.links.org/?p=187

15:18:03 [hhalpin]

ack manu_

15:18:03 [Zakim]

manu_, you wanted to ask about crypto-backed identity

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15:19:14 [mischat]

manu_: is confused about what work is being integrated in OpenID Connect? Is there going to be support for digital signatures, or more cryptostuff

15:19:30 [mischat]

s/crypotostuff/ssl for interactions/

15:19:38 [mischat]

there is going to be ssl support

15:19:46 [Zakim]

+??P5

15:19:56 [mischat]

no one has brought use cases for digital signatures

15:20:03 [melvster]

zakim, ??P5 is me

15:20:03 [Zakim]

+melvster; got it

15:20:58 [mischat]

the OpenID connect work in collaboration with browser vendors will help make progress towards having broswers which are more aware of identity

15:21:35 [mischat]

manu_: asks if use-cases were presented to the OpenID connect group re: digital signatures

15:21:58 [mischat]

WebID seems to be a bit far off from openid's current intentions

15:22:05 [mischat]

if you want openid connect to do stuff, show up

15:22:05 [mischat]

:)

15:22:12 [bblfish]

q+

15:22:12 [hhalpin]

q?

15:22:16 [hhalpin]

ack danbri

15:22:16 [Zakim]

danbri, you wanted to ask what you say when people ask if they're 2 technologies in competition

15:22:18 [mischat]

q-

15:22:55 [mischat]

danbri: can you help us talk about OpenID, is it a technology, is a community, it is expertise ?

15:23:01 [hhalpin]

maybe to be blunt, do we see OpenID Connect subsuming OpenID?

15:23:32 [mischat]

openid is all of the above?

15:23:47 [hhalpin]

q+

15:24:01 [mischat]

do you see OpenID becoming an umbrella for similar technologies in this space

15:24:18 [hhalpin]

ack bblfish

15:24:41 [mischat]

answer: well if you should up, then the openid may be interested in what you have to say ?

15:24:53 [mischat]

bblfish: asks how WebID and OpenID are different ?

15:25:38 [mischat]

the client side certificates UI needs improving?

15:26:10 [mischat]

bblfish: WebID is doing something similar to OpenID, both are looking at giving universal identity

15:26:44 [mischat]

bblfish: asks why they aren't merging, and why isn't there enough information sharing

15:26:51 [mischat]

between to the two communities

15:28:02 [melvster]

The initial Yadis was based on FOAF

15:28:35 [mischat]

mmm, openid chap thinks that WebID is just an Identity provider, whereas the interesting part of OpenID is the extensions

15:28:57 [melvster]

mischat: sorry, who's speaking?

15:29:09 [melvster]

thanks

15:29:20 [hhalpin]

ack hhalpin

15:29:58 [mischat]

hhalpin: so OpenID vNext is being subsumed by OpenID Connect, are there plans to merge these?

15:30:15 [mischat]

hhalpin: are there parts of OpenID Connect that are up in the air ?

15:30:30 [hhalpin]

signing requests and responses is still up in the air

15:30:35 [mischat]

signing requests and responces are up in the air

15:31:18 [mischat]

hhalpin: is openid connect going to suffice the needs of ecommerce and the gov initiatives

15:31:19 [mischat]

?

15:31:36 [mischat]

answer: no these aren't out main focus

15:32:02 [manu_]

We play to join OpenID Connect group to drive the ecommerce use cases

15:32:17 [manu_]

it would be a shame to ignore those use cases when designing OpenID Connect.

15:32:27 [manu_]

s/We play/We plan/

15:33:05 [danbri]

(was that dick speaking, the 'should'?)

15:33:13 [mischat]

david says that identity work in the browser is somethign which the W3C "should"

15:33:39 [manu_]

Perhaps we can liason between WebID community and OpenID Connect community to ensure good cross-pollination of ideas.

15:34:05 [mischat]

all of this work in the identity in the browser stuff mozilla

15:34:54 [bblfish]

question on relation to xauth/oauth?

15:34:57 [manu_]

q+ to state that we'll join OpenID Connect

15:35:04 [hhalpin]

ack manu_

15:35:04 [Zakim]

manu_, you wanted to state that we'll join OpenID Connect

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15:35:35 [mischat]

manu: stated that they will join the openid connect group

15:35:57 [mischat]

15th

15:36:05 [bblfish]

?

15:36:06 [mischat]

yup

15:36:10 [manu_]

September! :)

15:36:11 [mischat]

doh

15:36:27 [hhalpin]

Telecon: 15th of Sept with Aza "identity in the browser"

15:36:28 [mischat]

and their privacy icons stuff too

15:37:25 [melvster]

8am

15:37:29 [hhalpin]

3:00 PM

15:37:54 [mischat]

http://permatime.com/UTC/2010-09-01/15:00

15:38:27 [bblfish]

was the question on oauth/xauth

15:38:28 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

15:38:28 [Zakim]

Thomas should no longer be muted

15:38:32 [Zakim]

-Dick

15:38:34 [manu_]

Thanks to both Dick Hardt and David Recordon for speaking with us...

15:38:54 [Zakim]

- +1.503.341.aacc

15:39:10 [danbri]

(re helping organize - yes, but only after mid-oct)

15:40:20 [Zakim]

-dom

15:40:38 [manu_]

thanks for the invite to listen in to SWXG and Harry :) - appreciate it, will follow up via e-mail, etc.

15:40:39 [hhalpin]

http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html

15:40:47 [hhalpin]

Approve minutes?

15:40:52 [mischat]

+1

15:40:54 [tlr]

+1

15:40:57 [manu_]

+1 (not that it counts :))

15:40:58 [tlr]

(not that I was there...)

15:41:24 [hhalpin]

http://www.w3.org/2010/08/25-swxg-minutes.html are approved.

15:41:26 [Zakim]

-manu_

15:41:34 [mischat]

bye

15:41:45 [manu_]

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15:42:30 [hhalpin]

IIW East re DC

15:42:42 [mischat]

paul: meeting in washington next week to talk about Infocard people

15:42:43 [hhalpin]

infocard foundation will be there.

15:43:39 [mischat]

paul: the browser should be in full control of the release of attributes

15:44:45 [mischat]

paul: to talk about the infocard/identity work?

15:44:59 [mischat]

hhalpin: that may help us decide what to ask the browser vendors

15:45:07 [mischat]

zakim, unmute mischa

15:45:07 [Zakim]

mischa should no longer be muted

15:45:08 [danbri]

(are Mozilla 'vendors'?)

15:45:10 [bblfish]

the WebID community should put together something we would like from the Browser vendors too

15:45:27 [hhalpin]

agenda for next will be Paul of infocards/higgins

15:45:38 [hhalpin]

ACTION: hhalpin to ask sandro to attend IIW East

15:45:38 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-171 - Ask sandro to attend IIW East [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-09-08].

15:46:23 [mischat]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Privacy_and_Privacy_Standards

15:47:40 [bblfish]

mischat: we should get together on IRC

15:47:44 [bblfish]

on skype I mean

15:47:49 [mischat]

either or henry

15:48:01 [melvster]

only 1 i know of :)

15:48:13 [bblfish]

(I have been very busy last week on confs to W3C and Galway conf)

15:48:32 [hhalpin]

ACTION: DKA to shorten too long use-cases and see if he can reference in SWAT test cases.

15:48:32 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-172 - Shorten too long use-cases and see if he can reference in SWAT test cases. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2010-09-08].

15:48:39 [mischat]

yeah i have notice henry :) we can pick a time tomorrow perhaps ? to decide what to do bblfish ?

15:48:58 [bblfish]

tomorrow is good

15:49:19 [hhalpin]

ACTION: mischa to diaspora to talk about being included in final report (interoperable code-basess agreed to SWAT tests?).

15:49:19 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-173 - Diaspora to talk about being included in final report (interoperable code-basess agreed to SWAT tests?). [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2010-09-08].

15:49:36 [hhalpin]

ACTION: [CONTINUES] bblfish and mischa to write a new introductory paragraph with definition of social web and case for open-source/business use of standards.

15:49:36 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [CONTINUES]

15:49:41 [MacTed]

Zakim, unmute me

15:49:41 [Zakim]

MacTed should no longer be muted

15:50:01 [hhalpin]

ACTION [CONTINUES]: Add to intro a "user story" of why current approaches don't work.

15:50:01 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [CONTINUES]

15:50:03 [mischat]

bblfish: tomorrow grab me on skype, and we can discuss

15:50:23 [hhalpin]

ACTION: [DONE] hhalpin to set up HTML5/Interaction domain telecon before Sept.

15:50:23 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [DONE]

15:50:36 [hhalpin]

ACTION: [CLOSE] bblfish (and paul maybe?) flesh out and draft identity section.

15:50:36 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [CLOSE]

15:50:51 [hhalpin]

ACTION [DONE]: bblfish (and paul maybe?) flesh out and draft identity section.

15:50:51 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [DONE]

15:52:15 [mischat]

bblfish: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Profile_Standards

15:52:20 [tlr]

q

15:52:22 [hhalpin]

ACTION: alexpassant to flesh out of profile section

15:52:22 [tlr]

q+

15:52:22 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-174 - Flesh out of profile section [on Alexandre Passant - due 2010-09-08].

15:52:25 [hhalpin]

ack tlr

15:52:32 [danbri]

there's a subset of poco that's v close to vcard

15:52:42 [danbri]

but the schema also has all opensocial attribs

15:52:54 [hhalpin]

Could we get a convergence story that includes FOAF?

15:52:59 [danbri]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-contacts-api-20100121/

15:53:23 [danbri]

i'll ping

15:53:26 [MacTed]

Zakim, mute me

15:53:26 [Zakim]

MacTed should now be muted

15:53:30 [danbri]

happy to track consensus in the foaf schema

15:53:46 [hhalpin]

ACTION [CONTINUES]: hhalpin and melvster to review activity standards

15:53:46 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [CONTINUES]

15:54:07 [mischat]

I am happy to take this section

15:54:12 [mischat]

"Decentralised Social Networking Projects "

15:54:18 [hhalpin]

ACTION: [DONE] venezia to do mobile paragraph

15:54:18 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [DONE]

15:54:26 [hhalpin]

ACTION [DONE]: venezia to do mobile paragraph

15:54:26 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - [DONE]

15:54:28 [mischat]

am also "Content Standards"

15:55:07 [hhalpin]

ACTION: mischa to give a good draft of content section

15:55:07 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-175 - Give a good draft of content section [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2010-09-08].

15:55:40 [hhalpin]

ACTION: hhalpin to work on strategy document

15:55:40 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-176 - Work on strategy document [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-09-08].

15:56:15 [hhalpin]

Meeting Adjourned

15:56:18 [Zakim]

-bblfish

15:56:21 [bblfish]

bye

15:57:06 [hhalpin]

WebGL

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15:57:20 [hhalpin]

Zakim, meeting adjourned

15:57:20 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'meeting adjourned', hhalpin

15:57:25 [hhalpin]

trackbot, meeting adjourned

15:57:25 [trackbot]

Sorry, hhalpin, I don't understand 'trackbot, meeting adjourned'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

15:57:25 [Zakim]

-danbri

15:57:34 [Zakim]

-mischa

15:57:35 [hhalpin]

trackbot, end meeting

15:57:35 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

15:57:35 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been hhalpin, renato, mischa, Thomas, danbri, +1.415.846.aaaa, +1.510.931.aabb, +1.503.341.aacc, bblfish, MacTed, dom, +1.617.513.aadd, Dick,

15:57:36 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:57:36 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-minutes.html trackbot

15:57:37 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-actions.rdf :

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: hhalpin to ask sandro to attend IIW East [1]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-45-38

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: DKA to shorten too long use-cases and see if he can reference in SWAT test cases. [2]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-48-32

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: mischa to diaspora to talk about being included in final report (interoperable code-basess agreed to SWAT tests?). [3]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-49-19

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: [CONTINUES] bblfish and mischa to write a new introductory paragraph with definition of social web and case for open-source/business use of standards. [4]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-49-36

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: [DONE] hhalpin to set up HTML5/Interaction domain telecon before Sept. [5]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-50-23

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: [CLOSE] bblfish (and paul maybe?) flesh out and draft identity section. [6]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-50-36

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: alexpassant to flesh out of profile section [7]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-52-22

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: [DONE] venezia to do mobile paragraph [8]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-54-18

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: mischa to give a good draft of content section [9]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-55-07

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: hhalpin to work on strategy document [10]

15:57:37 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc#T15-55-40

15:57:39 [Zakim]

... +8014aaee, manu_, DKA, melvster

15:57:40 [Zakim]

- +1.617.513.aadd

15:57:42 [Zakim]

-MacTed

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15:58:07 [Zakim]

-renato

15:58:13 [Zakim]

-melvster

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15:58:15 [hhalpin]

trackbot, start meeting

15:58:17 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs world

15:58:19 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be 7994

15:58:19 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()10:30AM scheduled to start 88 minutes ago

15:58:20 [trackbot]

Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference

15:58:20 [trackbot]

Date: 01 September 2010

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-irc

16:03:10 [tlr]

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:03:10 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/01-swxg-minutes.html tlr

16:13:04 [hhalpin]

zakim, what's the code?

16:13:04 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), hhalpin

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17:00:38 [Zakim]

INC_SWXG()10:30AM has now started

17:00:45 [Zakim]

+??P9

17:00:51 [hhalpin]

Zakim, ??P9 is hhalpin

17:00:51 [Zakim]

+hhalpin; got it

17:01:08 [hhalpin]

wondering if chris and evan will dial-in...

17:02:05 [hhalpin]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FederatedSocialWebCharter

17:02:17 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-781

17:02:17 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

17:02:18 [Zakim]

+Thomas

17:02:32 [Zakim]

+ +1.412.225.aaaa

17:03:00 [tlr]

zakim, aaaa is ChrisMessina

17:03:00 [Zakim]

+ChrisMessina; got it

17:04:40 [Zakim]

+Ian

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17:05:14 [hhalpin]

just not sure how to get user experience working

17:06:12 [Ian]

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17:06:28 [Ian]

zakim, who's here?

17:06:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see hhalpin, Thomas, ChrisMessina, Ian

17:06:29 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Ian, oshani, RRSAgent, bblfish, Zakim, hhalpin, MacTed, tlr, karl, AlexPassant, trackbot

17:09:50 [Zakim]

+ +43.838.0aabb

17:10:29 [hhalpin]

Zakim, aabb is EvanP

17:10:31 [Zakim]

+EvanP; got it

17:10:52 [hhalpin]

ian and tlr move to #fedsocweb

17:20:27 [Ian]

zakim, who's here?

17:20:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see hhalpin, Thomas, ChrisMessina, Ian, EvanP

17:20:29 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Ian, oshani, RRSAgent, bblfish, Zakim, hhalpin, MacTed, tlr, karl, AlexPassant, trackbot

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17:44:41 [Zakim]

-Thomas

17:44:44 [Zakim]

-ChrisMessina

17:44:45 [Zakim]

-Ian

17:44:46 [Zakim]

-EvanP

17:45:06 [Zakim]

-hhalpin

17:45:07 [Zakim]

INC_SWXG()10:30AM has ended

17:45:09 [Zakim]

Attendees were hhalpin, Thomas, +1.412.225.aaaa, ChrisMessina, Ian, +43.838.0aabb, EvanP

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