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13:58:17 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
13:58:17 <trackbot> Date: 21 June 2012
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14:01:20 <niklasl> zakim, I am ??P10
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14:02:16 <scor> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:02:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed (muted), niklasl, manu1, gkellogg, scor
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14:02:29 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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14:02:51 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jun/0017.html
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14:04:02 <manu1> Topic: Twitter Cards
14:04:10 <MacTed> scribenick: MacTed
(Scribe set to Ted Thibodeau)
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14:04:43 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:05:01 <MacTed> gkellogg: Twitter is using an RDFa-like syntax, with a Twitter namespace without an IRI mapping
Gregg Kellogg: Twitter is using an RDFa-like syntax, with a Twitter namespace without an IRI mapping ←
14:05:18 <gkellogg> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards
Gregg Kellogg: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards ←
14:05:26 <MacTed> ... if there were a default mapping to a Twitter IRI, it could be easily parsed/mapped across the board
... if there were a default mapping to a Twitter IRI, it could be easily parsed/mapped across the board ←
14:06:21 <MacTed> manu: it's apparently kind of like Facebook's OGP, and mostly interoperable, but not quite. The really weird thing is that they read OGP markup anyway... no idea why they decided to break compatibility with RDFa...
Manu Sporny: it's apparently kind of like Facebook's OGP, and mostly interoperable, but not quite. The really weird thing is that they read OGP markup anyway... no idea why they decided to break compatibility with RDFa... ←
14:07:48 <MacTed> ivan: There is more than a namespace issue here, they're using @name and @value.
Ivan Herman: There is more than a namespace issue here, they're using @name and @value. ←
14:07:58 <MacTed> gkellogg: We could add some new processing rules to RDFa to support it...
Gregg Kellogg: We could add some new processing rules to RDFa to support it... ←
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14:09:20 <manu1> MacTed: Just because somebody else has come up with something closely related, we should not try to map the new random syntax into RDFa. They're sort-of re-inventing the wheel here.
Ted Thibodeau: Just because somebody else has come up with something closely related, we should not try to map the new random syntax into RDFa. They're sort-of re-inventing the wheel here. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
14:09:35 <manu1> Niklas: I agree as well - maybe they have a reason... or they are just ignorant of standards.
Niklas Lindström: I agree as well - maybe they have a reason... or they are just ignorant of standards. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
14:10:09 <MacTed> manu: I will reach out to my contacts and see what might be doable...
Manu Sporny: I will reach out to my contacts and see what might be doable... ←
14:11:49 <manu1> MacTed: We're not there yet, though - let's reach out first and see what they have to say about interoperability.
Ted Thibodeau: We're not there yet, though - let's reach out first and see what they have to say about interoperability. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
14:13:10 <Zakim> -niklasl
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14:14:08 <manu1> MacTed: Yes, we need to see why they made this strange decision first - let's see why they went against what all the other companies doing this stuff are doing (Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, Microsoft, etc.).
Ted Thibodeau: Yes, we need to see why they made this strange decision first - let's see why they went against what all the other companies doing this stuff are doing (Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, Microsoft, etc.). [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
14:14:45 <manu1> MacTed: They did finally move away from hash-bangs - maybe they will learn here as well...
Ted Thibodeau: They did finally move away from hash-bangs - maybe they will learn here as well... [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
14:15:08 <manu1> MacTed: The thing that they're just rolling out probably wasn't built in a week, so they may have had no idea that RDFa existed...
Ted Thibodeau: The thing that they're just rolling out probably wasn't built in a week, so they may have had no idea that RDFa existed... [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
14:15:59 <manu1> Topic: RDFa 1.1 launch post-mortem, wrap-up
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14:16:08 <niklasl> zakim, I am ??P33
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14:16:34 <ivan> zakim, mute me
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14:16:34 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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14:16:41 <Zakim> -niklasl
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14:16:56 <MacTed> manu1: Great job everybody - we made it! RDFa 1.1 is where it is because of all of you that put in all of the long hours and hard work to make this happen. I can't underscore how wonderful of an experience it was working with each of you.
Manu Sporny: Great job everybody - we made it! RDFa 1.1 is where it is because of all of you that put in all of the long hours and hard work to make this happen. I can't underscore how wonderful of an experience it was working with each of you. ←
14:17:09 <MacTed> applause for all involved...
applause for all involved... ←
14:17:09 <MacTed> ... we know about some really minor errata that must be addressed, we'll do that in August via Ivan.
... we know about some really minor errata that must be addressed, we'll do that in August via Ivan. ←
14:17:22 <MacTed> ... errata must be handled carefully so they don't give an impression of instability
... errata must be handled carefully so they don't give an impression of instability ←
14:17:23 <MacTed> ... perhaps hold until end of summer or thereabouts
... perhaps hold until end of summer or thereabouts ←
14:17:24 <gkellogg> zakim, who's on the call?
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14:17:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, manu1, gkellogg, scor, Ivan (muted), ShaneM
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14:17:15 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:17:26 <MacTed> ... and some more press on RDFa 1.1 is needed
... and some more press on RDFa 1.1 is needed ←
14:18:15 <ivan> ack iva
Ivan Herman: ack iva ←
14:18:24 <MacTed> ... maybe start an RDFa Community Group with monthly telecons to touch base and keep tutorials and such fresh. The mistake we made with RDFa 1.0 was just not keeping the ball rolling... let's not make the same mistake this time. We'll start an RDFa Community Group.
... maybe start an RDFa Community Group with monthly telecons to touch base and keep tutorials and such fresh. The mistake we made with RDFa 1.0 was just not keeping the ball rolling... let's not make the same mistake this time. We'll start an RDFa Community Group. ←
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14:18:59 <niklasl> zakim, I am ??P33
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14:19:03 <MacTed> ivan: Community Group sounds like the best path forward.
Ivan Herman: Community Group sounds like the best path forward. ←
14:19:17 <ShaneM> q+ to mention an issue
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14:23:34 <manu1> ack ShaneM
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14:23:34 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to mention an issue
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14:29:13 <manu1> Topic: RDF API and RDFa API publication timeline
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14:29:30 <manu1> RDF Interfaces:
Manu Sporny: RDF Interfaces: ←
14:29:31 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-interfaces/Overview-src.html
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-interfaces/Overview-src.html ←
14:29:33 <manu1> RDF API:
Manu Sporny: RDF API: ←
14:29:34 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-api/Overview-src.html
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-api/Overview-src.html ←
14:29:36 <manu1> RDFa API:
Manu Sporny: RDFa API: ←
14:29:38 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/Overview-src.html
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/Overview-src.html ←
14:29:45 <MacTed> manu: I've updated the remaining documents to make W3C Notes (some responses are still pending)
Manu Sporny: I've updated the remaining documents to make W3C Notes (some responses are still pending) ←
14:29:54 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:30:49 <MacTed> ivan: some interconnection references need minor correction updates...
Ivan Herman: some interconnection references need minor correction updates... ←
14:31:16 <ivan> Work on this document represents unfinished work of the RDF Web Application Working Group. The work could not be finished due to a lack of manpower, and, at the time of publishing this document, it is not known whether W3C will continue this work on Recommendation track in another Working Group. While a significant amount of design work went into this document, at present there are no known implementations of the specification. A number of design issues have not been completely resolved. Developers wishing to implement this API should be aware of incomplete nature of the specification.
Ivan Herman: Work on this document represents unfinished work of the RDF Web Application Working Group. The work could not be finished due to a lack of manpower, and, at the time of publishing this document, it is not known whether W3C will continue this work on Recommendation track in another Working Group. While a significant amount of design work went into this document, at present there are no known implementations of the specification. A number of design issues have not been completely resolved. Developers wishing to implement this API should be aware of incomplete nature of the specification. ←
14:31:24 <ShaneM> Here is what we said for CURIEs: This document is a Working Group Note. The XHTML2 Working Group's charter expired before it could complete work on this document. It is possible that the work will be continued by another group in the future.
Shane McCarron: Here is what we said for CURIEs: This document is a Working Group Note. The XHTML2 Working Group's charter expired before it could complete work on this document. It is possible that the work will be continued by another group in the future. ←
14:32:07 <gkellogg> Alex volunteered to help improve the API docs, we should take him up on that offer.
Gregg Kellogg: Alex volunteered to help improve the API docs, we should take him up on that offer. ←
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14:33:02 <MacTed> Group decides the best path forward is to publish as notes and then attempt to move the documents into the RDFa Community Group.
Group decides the best path forward is to publish as notes and then attempt to move the documents into the RDFa Community Group. ←
14:34:46 <niklasl> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:34:57 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
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14:38:53 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Publish RDF Interfaces, RDF API, and RDFa API with Ivan's changes as W3C Notes on June 28th or July 5th (as a backup date).
PROPOSED: Publish RDF Interfaces, RDF API, and RDFa API with Ivan's changes as W3C Notes on June 28th or July 5th (as a backup date). ←
14:38:55 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
14:38:56 <manu1> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
14:38:56 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:38:58 <niklasl> +1
Niklas Lindström: +1 ←
14:39:01 <MacTed> MacTed: +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:39:04 <ShaneM> +1
Shane McCarron: +1 ←
14:39:15 <scor> +1
Stéphane Corlosquet: +1 ←
14:39:19 <manu1> RESOLVED: Publish RDF Interfaces, RDF API, and RDFa API with Ivan's changes as W3C Notes on June 28th or July 5th (as a backup date).
RESOLVED: Publish RDF Interfaces, RDF API, and RDFa API with Ivan's changes as W3C Notes on June 28th or July 5th (as a backup date). ←
14:40:06 <niklasl> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
14:40:21 <manu1> ack niklasl
Manu Sporny: ack niklasl ←
14:40:52 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:41:11 <ShaneM> q+
Shane McCarron: q+ ←
14:41:31 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
14:43:02 <manu1> ack ShaneM
Manu Sporny: ack ShaneM ←
14:46:24 <manu1> Topic: HTML5+RDFa spec changes and publication strategy
14:50:33 <manu1> manu: I haven't had time to integrate the latest changes into the HTML5+RDFa spec, but I will integrate those changes after all these other documents have been published.
Manu Sporny: I haven't had time to integrate the latest changes into the HTML5+RDFa spec, but I will integrate those changes after all these other documents have been published. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
14:53:33 <manu1> manu: There is a question on which group will continue publishing the HTML5+RDFa spec and when it will become REC. Officially, it will become a REC in 2014, but we might try to make it a REC before that time frame. All of us can continue to work on it in the HTML5 WG in any case. We may try to re-charter this group to take it to REC as well. This discussion will continue in W3C as they try to figure out the best path forward for HTML5 and RDFa.
Manu Sporny: There is a question on which group will continue publishing the HTML5+RDFa spec and when it will become REC. Officially, it will become a REC in 2014, but we might try to make it a REC before that time frame. All of us can continue to work on it in the HTML5 WG in any case. We may try to re-charter this group to take it to REC as well. This discussion will continue in W3C as they try to figure out the best path forward for HTML5 and RDFa. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
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15:07:33 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:07:33 <Zakim> -Ivan
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15:07:37 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:07:41 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
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15:07:41 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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15:07:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been niklasl, MacTed, manu1, scor, gkellogg, Ivan, ShaneM
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15:07:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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