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14:55:53 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
14:55:53 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2012
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15:03:31 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0001.html
15:04:06 <Steven> Scribe: STeven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
15:04:11 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
15:04:54 <Steven> Topic: Planning
15:05:09 <Steven> Manu: Are we ready for LC, are we OK with the timeline?
Manu Sporny: Are we ready for LC, are we OK with the timeline? ←
15:05:20 <Steven> ... the first reviews are already coming in
... the first reviews are already coming in ←
15:05:29 <manu1> Topic: Any Remaining Issues?
15:05:36 <Steven> ... so are there any remaining issues?
... so are there any remaining issues? ←
15:05:59 <Steven> Manu: Gavin Carothers of RDF WG is raising issues on CURIE syntax next week
Manu Sporny: Gavin Carothers of RDF WG is raising issues on CURIE syntax next week ←
15:06:17 <Steven> ... they feel that we are too inclusive
... they feel that we are too inclusive ←
15:06:39 <Steven> ... he's comment is about http://example.com being interpreted as CURIE
... he's comment is about http://example.com being interpreted as CURIE ←
15:06:50 <Steven> ... we need to tighten up the CURIE syntax
... we need to tighten up the CURIE syntax ←
15:06:59 <Steven> ... they propose a narrower definition in SPARQL
... they propose a narrower definition in SPARQL ←
15:07:13 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
15:07:18 <Steven> ... so that people couldn't have http:// be detected as a CURIE
... so that people couldn't have http:// be detected as a CURIE ←
15:07:20 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about http
Shane McCarron: q+ to ask about http ←
15:07:33 <manu1> ack gkellogg
Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg ←
15:07:45 <niklasl> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
15:07:52 <Steven> Gregg: One issue is the ability to have a CURIE with path information in it, can't have a slash, can you?
Gregg Kellogg: One issue is the ability to have a CURIE with path information in it, can't have a slash, can you? ←
15:08:19 <Steven> Manu: They allow slash in theirs, I believe.
Manu Sporny: They allow slash in theirs, I believe. ←
15:08:53 <manu1> ack shaneM
Manu Sporny: ack shaneM ←
15:08:53 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about http
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15:08:59 <Steven> ... if it doesn't then we'd be in trouble
... if it doesn't then we'd be in trouble ←
15:09:24 <Steven> Shane: Why do they think http: can be detected as a CURIE?
Shane McCarron: Why do they think http: can be detected as a CURIE? ←
15:09:33 <Steven> Manu: if you declare http as a prefix
Manu Sporny: if you declare http as a prefix ←
15:09:54 <Steven> ... they think that it shouldn't be allowed, and be the same as in SPARQL; I'd be OK with it as is
... they think that it shouldn't be allowed, and be the same as in SPARQL; I'd be OK with it as is ←
15:10:15 <manu1> ack niklasl
Manu Sporny: ack niklasl ←
15:10:35 <Steven> Niklas: I too am wary about http: as prefix
Niklas Lindström: I too am wary about http: as prefix ←
15:10:49 <Steven> ... I'd be interested to see how it is done
... I'd be interested to see how it is done ←
15:11:22 <Steven> Manu: Two issues 1) backwards incompatible
Manu Sporny: Two issues 1) backwards incompatible ←
15:11:39 <Steven> ... if no one is using it, then there's no problem surely
... if no one is using it, then there's no problem surely ←
15:11:45 <Steven> ... angels on the head of a pin
... angels on the head of a pin ←
15:11:47 <ShaneM> note that almost all of RDF is 'angels on the head of a pin'
Shane McCarron: note that almost all of RDF is 'angels on the head of a pin' ←
15:12:03 <Steven> ... 2) we wouldn't be using PNAME from SPARQL anyway, but a modification that doesn't allow '//' to exist at the beginning of a reference (to prevent http:// from being detected as a CURIE)
... 2) we wouldn't be using PNAME from SPARQL anyway, but a modification that doesn't allow '//' to exist at the beginning of a reference (to prevent http:// from being detected as a CURIE) ←
15:12:24 <Steven> ... so we would still have a different range of characters
... so we would still have a different range of characters ←
15:12:41 <Steven> Steven: Anyway, SPARQL did it after we did
Steven Pemberton: Anyway, SPARQL did it after we did ←
15:12:47 <Steven> Manu: heh. True.
Manu Sporny: heh. True. ←
15:13:04 <Steven> Manu: The rest seems to be editorial issues from RDF WG
Manu Sporny: The rest seems to be editorial issues from RDF WG ←
15:13:04 <Steven> Shane: Except for the "URI/IRI" thing, that may not be editorial
Shane McCarron: Except for the "URI/IRI" thing, that may not be editorial ←
15:13:37 <manu1> Steven: I thought we referenced IRI anyway, it's just called URI, right?
Steven Pemberton: I thought we referenced IRI anyway, it's just called URI, right? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:13:43 <Steven> Shane: No, in some cases it must be URI, like for @href and @src in HTML... I don't think we can change URI to IRI
Shane McCarron: No, in some cases it must be URI, like for @href and @src in HTML... I don't think we can change URI to IRI ←
15:13:48 <niklasl> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
15:13:51 <manu1> Shane: The cases where we say URI, we mean URI - like in @href and @src
Shane McCarron: The cases where we say URI, we mean URI - like in @href and @src [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:14:02 <gkellogg> q+ to talk about @href being a URL, not a URI
Gregg Kellogg: q+ to talk about @href being a URL, not a URI ←
15:15:04 <Steven> SHane: I agree that it is an editorial change
Shane McCarron: I agree that it is an editorial change ←
15:15:12 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
15:15:16 <manu1> ack niklasl
Manu Sporny: ack niklasl ←
15:15:34 <Steven> Niklas: I agree that @href and @src are OK
Niklas Lindström: I agree that @href and @src are OK ←
15:15:55 <Steven> ... but there are someplaces where we need to check the details, we use IRI where we mean that
... but there are someplaces where we need to check the details, we use IRI where we mean that ←
15:16:37 <Steven> Shane: In M12N URI points to ANYURI
Shane McCarron: In M12N URI points to ANYURI ←
15:16:51 <manu1> ack gkellogg
Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg ←
15:16:51 <Zakim> gkellogg, you wanted to talk about @href being a URL, not a URI
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15:16:59 <Steven> Steven: Which is the same value space, but a different lexical space IIRC
Steven Pemberton: Which is the same value space, but a different lexical space IIRC ←
15:17:09 <Steven> Gregg: HTML spec uses URL
Gregg Kellogg: HTML spec uses URL ←
15:17:19 <Steven> ... but there are open issues on that
... but there are open issues on that ←
15:17:36 <Steven> ... I'd be wary of depending on the range of attributes that we are importing
... I'd be wary of depending on the range of attributes that we are importing ←
15:17:49 <manu1> q+
Manu Sporny: q+ ←
15:17:58 <manu1> ack manu1
Manu Sporny: ack manu1 ←
15:18:00 <Steven> ... point out that it is dependent on host language
... point out that it is dependent on host language ←
15:18:17 <Steven> Manu: Can't we just say that RDFa supports IRIs everywhere, but keep in mind that the host language can restrict the lexical space. In that case, respect the host language, but RDFa can process IRIs everywhere. Can we reword along these lines, Shane?
Manu Sporny: Can't we just say that RDFa supports IRIs everywhere, but keep in mind that the host language can restrict the lexical space. In that case, respect the host language, but RDFa can process IRIs everywhere. Can we reword along these lines, Shane? ←
15:18:34 <Steven> ... use IRI with a caveat
... use IRI with a caveat ←
15:18:50 <Steven> Shane: probably
Shane McCarron: probably ←
15:19:16 <Steven> Manu: But this would change our datatypes
Manu Sporny: But this would change our datatypes ←
15:19:23 <Steven> Shane: No I think it would be OK
Shane McCarron: No I think it would be OK ←
15:19:56 <Steven> Manu: Any other issues?
Manu Sporny: Any other issues? ←
15:20:00 <Steven> [silence]
[silence] ←
15:20:13 <Steven> Manu: OK, discuss remaining issues next week, and then go to LC
Manu Sporny: OK, discuss remaining issues next week, and then go to LC ←
15:20:16 <manu1> Topic: Review of RDFa Lite 1.1 and HTML+RDFa 1.1 Updates
15:20:26 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-lite/
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-lite/ ←
15:20:31 <Steven> Manu: I updated these over the vacation
Manu Sporny: I updated these over the vacation ←
15:20:33 <manu1> http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/
Manu Sporny: http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/ ←
15:21:06 <gkellogg> q+ I don't see anything about the value space of <time> in html+rdfa
Gregg Kellogg: q+ I don't see anything about the value space of <time> in html+rdfa ←
15:21:10 <Steven> Manu: Changes - conformance section cleaned up
Manu Sporny: Changes - conformance section cleaned up ←
15:21:51 <Steven> q+ gkellogg to discuss <time>
q+ gkellogg to discuss <time> ←
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15:22:10 <Steven> Manu: updated dependencies
Manu Sporny: updated dependencies ←
15:22:16 <Steven> ... on other docs
... on other docs ←
15:22:28 <Zakim> -Ivan
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15:22:29 <Steven> ... added link and meta to the body of a doc
... added link and meta to the body of a doc ←
15:22:35 <niklasl> q+ to ask about Lite timeline
Niklas Lindström: q+ to ask about Lite timeline ←
15:23:03 <Steven> Manu: Added datetime and value attributes
Manu Sporny: Added datetime and value attributes ←
15:23:34 <Steven> Gregg: We can't just add @datetime, we also have to process the <time> element
Gregg Kellogg: We can't just add @datetime, we also have to process the <time> element ←
15:23:36 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:23:48 <manu1> q+ to talk about TIME element processing
Manu Sporny: q+ to talk about TIME element processing ←
15:24:00 <Steven> ... gyear, gyearmonth, and duration I think
... gyear, gyearmonth, and duration I think ←
15:24:05 <manu1> ack n
Manu Sporny: ack n ←
15:24:05 <Zakim> niklasl, you wanted to ask about Lite timeline
Zakim IRC Bot: niklasl, you wanted to ask about Lite timeline ←
15:24:09 <manu1> ack g
Manu Sporny: ack g ←
15:24:09 <Zakim> gkellogg, you wanted to discuss <time>
Zakim IRC Bot: gkellogg, you wanted to discuss <time> ←
15:24:35 <Steven> niklas: do Google or schema.org need this to be a rec by some particular time?
Niklas Lindström: do Google or schema.org need this to be a rec by some particular time? ←
15:24:45 <Steven> Manu: I don't think so
Manu Sporny: I don't think so ←
15:25:46 <Steven> [Ivan joins]
[Ivan joins] ←
15:26:44 <Steven> Ivan: We will have to decide the @resource vs @about at some time
Ivan Herman: We will have to decide the @resource vs @about at some time ←
15:27:29 <Steven> ... Jeni has a script to convert microdata on schema.org to RDFa Lite
... Jeni has a script to convert microdata on schema.org to RDFa Lite ←
15:27:48 <niklasl> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
15:27:54 <Steven> ... she says it would be harder if there was only @resource
... she says it would be harder if there was only @resource ←
15:28:02 <manu1> ack manu1
Manu Sporny: ack manu1 ←
15:28:02 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to talk about TIME element processing
Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to talk about TIME element processing ←
15:28:24 <niklasl> .. Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies
Niklas Lindström: .. Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies ←
15:28:32 <Steven> Manu: About <time>, people are asking for support, but it gets complicated quickly... time has a variety of different syntaxes... some of them new.
Manu Sporny: About <time>, people are asking for support, but it gets complicated quickly... time has a variety of different syntaxes... some of them new. ←
15:28:55 <niklasl> (.. section 2.2.2.3)
Niklas Lindström: (.. section 2.2.2.3) ←
15:29:00 <Steven> ... and RDFa is about attributes, not elements
... and RDFa is about attributes, not elements ←
15:29:11 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:29:42 <manu1> ack niklasl
Manu Sporny: ack niklasl ←
15:29:58 <Steven> niklas: See the link above from Jeni
Niklas Lindström: See the link above from Jeni ←
15:30:26 <niklasl> .. correct link: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-data-guide/#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies
Niklas Lindström: .. correct link: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-data-guide/#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies ←
15:30:29 <Steven> . Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies
. Jeni's text related to microdata and @resource: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/html-data-guide/index.html#microdata-and-rdfa-equivalencies ←
15:31:05 <Steven> Ivan: This is only about RDFa+HTML5, we should say we will come back to it when they are ready
Ivan Herman: This is only about RDFa+HTML5, we should say we will come back to it when they are ready ←
15:31:37 <Steven> ... <time> has a rocky history
... <time> has a rocky history ←
15:32:22 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:32:28 <gkellogg> http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata-rdf/#value-typing
Gregg Kellogg: http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata-rdf/#value-typing ←
15:32:47 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:33:13 <manu1> Topic: Reviewers for RDFa Core 1.1 and XHTML+RDFa 1.1
15:33:35 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-rdfa-core-20111215/
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-rdfa-core-20111215/ ←
15:33:38 <Steven> Manu: Niklas was yours a full review of RDFa Core 1.1?
Manu Sporny: Niklas was yours a full review of RDFa Core 1.1? ←
15:33:42 <Steven> Niklas: No, not full.
Niklas Lindström: No, not full. ←
15:33:45 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa/
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa/ ←
15:33:59 <Steven> Manu: We need 2 full reviews by non-editors
Manu Sporny: We need 2 full reviews by non-editors ←
15:34:12 <Steven> Niklas: Given time constraints, I will do my best
Niklas Lindström: Given time constraints, I will do my best ←
15:34:20 <manu1> ACTION: Ivan to review RDFa Lite 1.1
ACTION: Ivan to review RDFa Lite 1.1 ←
15:34:20 <Steven> Ivan: I will do Lite
Ivan Herman: I will do Lite ←
15:34:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-106 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19]. ←
15:35:06 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to review RDFa Core 1.1
ACTION: Manu to review RDFa Core 1.1 ←
15:35:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Review RDFa Core 1.1 [on Manu Sporny - due 2012-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-107 - Review RDFa Core 1.1 [on Manu Sporny - due 2012-01-19]. ←
15:35:23 <Steven> Shane: I will do Lite
Shane McCarron: I will do Lite ←
15:35:32 <manu1> ACTION: Shane to review RDFa Lite 1.1
ACTION: Shane to review RDFa Lite 1.1 ←
15:35:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-108 - Review RDFa Lite 1.1 [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19]. ←
15:35:39 <Steven> Niklas: I will do COre
Niklas Lindström: I will do Core ←
15:35:42 <manu1> ACTION: Niklas to review RDFa Core 1.1
ACTION: Niklas to review RDFa Core 1.1 ←
15:35:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Review RDFa Core 1.1 [on Niklas Lindström - due 2012-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-109 - Review RDFa Core 1.1 [on Niklas Lindström - due 2012-01-19]. ←
15:35:44 <Steven> s/CO/Co/
15:36:04 <manu1> ACTION: Stephane to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1
ACTION: Stephane to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1 ←
15:36:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Stephane
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15:36:23 <scor> ACTION: scor to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1
ACTION: scor to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1 ←
15:36:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - scor
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15:36:41 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to ensure that the right working group name is used in each document
ACTION: Shane to ensure that the right working group name is used in each document ←
15:36:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Ensure that the right working group name is used in each document [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-110 - Ensure that the right working group name is used in each document [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19]. ←
15:36:47 <manu1> ACTION: Ivan to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1
ACTION: Ivan to review XHTML+RDFa 1.1 ←
15:36:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Review XHTML+RDFa 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-111 - Review XHTML+RDFa 1.1 [on Ivan Herman - due 2012-01-19]. ←
15:37:04 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document.
ACTION: Shane to ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document. ←
15:37:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document. [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-112 - Ensure that the list of working group participants is correct in each document. [on Shane McCarron - due 2012-01-19]. ←
15:37:20 <Steven> Manu: We need reviews of the primer, over the next months, no hurry on that one
Manu Sporny: We need reviews of the primer, over the next months, no hurry on that one ←
15:37:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:37:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven ←
15:37:33 <manu1> Topic: Publication Timeline
15:37:52 <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0003.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0003.html ←
15:38:16 <Steven> Manu: That is the timeline
Manu Sporny: That is the timeline ←
15:39:07 <manu1> Jan 26th - WG resolves to take documents to Last Call
Manu Sporny: Jan 26th - WG resolves to take documents to Last Call ←
15:39:09 <manu1> Jan 31st - LC publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1
Manu Sporny: Jan 31st - LC publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1 ←
15:39:10 <manu1> Feb 21st - End of LC period for RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1
Manu Sporny: Feb 21st - End of LC period for RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1 ←
15:39:33 <manu1> Feb 23th - Schedule Transition Call to Candidate Recommendation
Manu Sporny: Feb 23th - Schedule Transition Call to Candidate Recommendation ←
15:39:35 <manu1> Feb 27th - WG resolves to take documents to Candidate Rec
Manu Sporny: Feb 27th - WG resolves to take documents to Candidate Rec ←
15:39:37 <manu1> Mar 6th - CR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1
Manu Sporny: Mar 6th - CR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1 ←
15:39:38 <manu1> Apr 1st - CR Implementation Reports in by April 1st
Manu Sporny: Apr 1st - CR Implementation Reports in by April 1st ←
15:39:40 <manu1> Apr 10th - Schedule Transition Call to Proposed Recommendation
Manu Sporny: Apr 10th - Schedule Transition Call to Proposed Recommendation ←
15:39:41 <manu1> Apr 17th - PR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1
Manu Sporny: Apr 17th - PR Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1 ←
15:39:43 <manu1> May 21st - Schedule Transition Call to Recommendation
Manu Sporny: May 21st - Schedule Transition Call to Recommendation ←
15:39:44 <manu1> May 29th - REC Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1
Manu Sporny: May 29th - REC Publication of RDFa Core, XHTML+RDFa and RDFa Lite 1.1 ←
15:41:16 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about scheduling
Shane McCarron: q+ to talk about scheduling ←
15:41:29 <Steven> Steven: No time needed for dealing with LC comments?
Steven Pemberton: No time needed for dealing with LC comments? ←
15:41:35 <manu1> ack shanem
Manu Sporny: ack shanem ←
15:41:35 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about scheduling
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to talk about scheduling ←
15:41:37 <Steven> Ivan: I don't expect any major ones
Ivan Herman: I don't expect any major ones ←
15:41:45 <Steven> Shane: Short LC period here
Shane McCarron: Short LC period here ←
15:42:01 <Steven> ... I expect some WGs will say that they can't meet the schedule
... I expect some WGs will say that they can't meet the schedule ←
15:42:08 <Steven> Manu: We've warned them already... at the end of last year and we asked them for reviews.
Manu Sporny: We've warned them already... at the end of last year and we asked them for reviews. ←
15:43:02 <Steven> ... by email, warning of short last call; HTML and RDF took us up on it
... by email, warning of short last call; HTML and RDF took us up on it ←
15:44:11 <Steven> Ivan: the timing is aggressive
Ivan Herman: the timing is aggressive ←
15:44:19 <Steven> ... the Rec is scheduled for May
... the Rec is scheduled for May ←
15:44:29 <Steven> ... charter is to end of July
... charter is to end of July ←
15:46:29 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012.
PROPOSED: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012. ←
15:46:33 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:46:34 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:46:35 <manu1> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
15:46:37 <niklasl> +1
Niklas Lindström: +1 ←
15:46:37 <Steven> Steven: +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
15:46:43 <scor> +1
Stéphane Corlosquet: +1 ←
15:46:58 <ShaneM> +1 I guess
Shane McCarron: +1 I guess ←
15:47:02 <ivan> RESOLVED: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012.
RESOLVED: Adopt the publication timeline as discussed on this conference call, taking RDFa 1.1 to REC by the end of May 2012. ←
15:47:21 <manu1> Topic: RDF Interfaces, RDF API and RDFa API
15:47:55 <Steven> Manu: Short of time to get these to Rec, also little interest in the group
Manu Sporny: Short of time to get these to Rec, also little interest in the group ←
15:48:08 <Steven> ... we lack people and time to do it
... we lack people and time to do it ←
15:48:29 <Steven> ... so we propose to send them to a community group
... so we propose to send them to a community group ←
15:48:36 <Steven> q+
q+ ←
15:49:02 <manu1> Steven: Normal practice is to turn these documents into notes, so they have a final state, then let another group take them over if they wanted them.
Steven Pemberton: Normal practice is to turn these documents into notes, so they have a final state, then let another group take them over if they wanted them. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:49:15 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:49:17 <Steven> Steven: Normal practice is to publish as a note, and then let someone take them over
Steven Pemberton: Normal practice is to publish as a note, and then let someone take them over ←
15:49:20 <ivan> ack Steven
Ivan Herman: ack Steven ←
15:49:30 <Steven> Manu: Problem is that API is incomplete
Manu Sporny: Problem is that API is incomplete ←
15:49:43 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:50:26 <Steven> Ivan: In the note we can put in the status that it is not final
Ivan Herman: In the note we can put in the status that it is not final ←
15:50:41 <Steven> ... but a note is a proper ending state
... but a note is a proper ending state ←
15:50:54 <niklasl> q+
Niklas Lindström: q+ ←
15:51:01 <ShaneM> I agree it should be a note
Shane McCarron: I agree it should be a note ←
15:51:25 <Steven> Niklas: I've previously expected Notes to be finished, so I share Manu's concern
Niklas Lindström: I've previously expected Notes to be finished, so I share Manu's concern ←
15:52:04 <MacTed> +1 note (maybe "draft note"?) with clear caveats, possibly beyond just the status section (which many people do skip over, ill advised as that may be)
Ted Thibodeau: +1 note (maybe "draft note"?) with clear caveats, possibly beyond just the status section (which many people do skip over, ill advised as that may be) ←
15:52:05 <Steven> Ivan: There are precedents for incomplete work being published as a note
Ivan Herman: There are precedents for incomplete work being published as a note ←
15:52:30 <Steven> Manu: As long as there are big red warnings, OK
Manu Sporny: As long as there are big red warnings, OK ←
15:54:32 <Steven> Ivan: A note is a final state, so that you know no one is working on it
Ivan Herman: A note is a final state, so that you know no one is working on it ←
15:55:07 <Steven> Ivan: In the charter we had a Cookbook planned.
Ivan Herman: In the charter we had a Cookbook planned. ←
15:55:13 <ShaneM> q+ to ask if the IRI text is okay?
Shane McCarron: q+ to ask if the IRI text is okay? ←
15:55:16 <Steven> ... so we need to remove that
... so we need to remove that ←
15:55:20 <manu1> ack
Manu Sporny: ack ←
15:55:21 <manu1> ack
Manu Sporny: ack ←
15:55:41 <ShaneM> Even though this specification exclusively
Shane McCarron: Even though this specification exclusively ←
15:55:41 <ShaneM> references IRIs, it is possible that a Host Language will
Shane McCarron: references IRIs, it is possible that a Host Language will ←
15:55:41 <ShaneM> restrict the syntax for its attributes to a subset of IRIs
Shane McCarron: restrict the syntax for its attributes to a subset of IRIs ←
15:55:41 <ShaneM> (e.g., <aref>href</aref> in HTML5). Regardless of
Shane McCarron: (e.g., <aref>href</aref> in HTML5). Regardless of ←
15:55:41 <ShaneM> validation constraints in Host Languages, an RDFa Processor
Shane McCarron: validation constraints in Host Languages, an RDFa Processor ←
15:55:42 <ShaneM> is capable of processing IRIs.
Shane McCarron: is capable of processing IRIs. ←
15:56:01 <Steven> Shane: Suggested text, is that ok?
Shane McCarron: Suggested text, is that ok? ←
15:56:05 <Steven> Manu: Looks OK
Manu Sporny: Looks OK ←
15:56:22 <Steven> Ivan: Answer to RDF WG comments right?
Ivan Herman: Answer to RDF WG comments right? ←
15:56:31 <Steven> Manu: We discussed it before you joined Ivan
Manu Sporny: We discussed it before you joined Ivan ←
15:56:59 <Steven> ... next week we will discuss CURIE vs PNAME and any other issues that could be substantative.
... next week we will discuss CURIE vs PNAME and any other issues that could be substantative. ←
15:58:15 <Steven> ... Jan 26 we resolve to go to LC
... Jan 26 we resolve to go to LC ←
15:59:00 <Steven> [ENDS]
[ENDS] ←
15:59:00 <Zakim> -manu1
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu1 ←
15:59:03 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:59:06 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:59:06 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
15:59:06 <Zakim> -scor
Zakim IRC Bot: -scor ←
15:59:07 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:59:09 <Zakim> -niklasl
Zakim IRC Bot: -niklasl ←
15:59:11 <Zakim> -??P42
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P42 ←
15:59:13 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←
15:59:15 <Zakim> Attendees were manu1, niklasl, gkellogg, scor, MacTed, Steven, Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were manu1, niklasl, gkellogg, scor, MacTed, Steven, Ivan ←
15:59:17 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:59:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/12-rdfa-minutes.html Steven ←
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