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14:17:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 43 minutes
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14:17:24 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
14:17:24 <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2010
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14:58:58 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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14:59:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:59:33 <manu> zakim, I am [IP
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14:59:33 <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
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14:59:54 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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14:59:54 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:59:55 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:00:30 <Zakim> +Benjamin
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15:01:20 <Zakim> +Knud
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15:02:07 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
15:02:07 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:02:09 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:03:00 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:03:11 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (62%), [IPcaller] (4%), Knud (27%), Ivan (4%), Steven (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (62%), [IPcaller] (4%), Knud (27%), Ivan (4%), Steven (5%) ←
15:03:17 <Zakim> +tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinkster ←
15:03:33 <Knud> zakim, mute me
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15:03:33 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
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15:04:32 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
15:05:17 <Steven> Note that the call is one hour earlier for Europeans next week and the week after
Note that the call is one hour earlier for Europeans next week and the week after ←
15:05:21 <tinkster> I will probably have to send regrets for next two weeks then.
Toby Inkster: I will probably have to send regrets for next two weeks then. ←
15:05:23 <Steven> zakim, mute me
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15:05:23 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
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15:05:35 <Steven> Topic: Action Items
15:05:38 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open ←
15:05:54 <Steven> Manu: Action 5 for Ivan?
Manu Sporny: ACTION-5 for Ivan? ←
15:06:12 <Steven> ... mark as done?
... mark as done? ←
15:06:15 <manu> ACTION-5?
15:06:15 <trackbot> ACTION-5 -- Mark Birbeck to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents -- due 2010-03-18 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-5 -- Mark Birbeck to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents -- due 2010-03-18 -- OPEN ←
15:06:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/5
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/5 ←
15:06:19 <Steven> Ivan: the discussion is still ongoing
Ivan Herman: the discussion is still ongoing ←
15:06:22 <manu> trackbot, close ACTION-5
Manu Sporny: trackbot, close ACTION-5 ←
15:06:22 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents closed
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15:06:46 <manu> trackbot, comment ACTION-5 Ivan produced a merged specification explaining how to pull in external vocabulary documents.
Manu Sporny: trackbot, comment ACTION-5 Ivan produced a merged specification explaining how to pull in external vocabulary documents. ←
15:06:46 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-5 Generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents notes added ←
15:06:56 <Steven> Manu: URL for that Ivan?
Manu Sporny: URL for that Ivan? ←
15:07:04 <Steven> Ivan: Just a moment, watch the IRC
Ivan Herman: Just a moment, watch the IRC ←
15:07:24 <Steven> Manu: I will fix the descriptions of the list
Manu Sporny: I will fix the descriptions of the list ←
15:07:28 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100305/ vocabulary document (version 1)
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100305/ vocabulary document (version 1) ←
15:07:38 <Steven> Regrets: MarkB, Ben_Adida
15:07:52 <Steven> Topic: ISSUE-1 RDFa Vocabularies (on Mark)
15:07:53 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100311/ vocabulary document (version 2)
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2010/ED-vocab-20100311/ vocabulary document (version 2) ←
15:07:56 <manu> The things that we may have consensus on:
Manu Sporny: The things that we may have consensus on: ←
15:07:58 <manu> * RDFa profiles are specified in an external document (profile document)
Manu Sporny: * RDFa profiles are specified in an external document (profile document) ←
15:08:00 <manu> * We should use the @profile attribute to specify the profile document
Manu Sporny: * We should use the @profile attribute to specify the profile document ←
15:08:01 <manu> * The @profile attribute can be placed on any element and is scoped to the element on which it is defined and its children
Manu Sporny: * The @profile attribute can be placed on any element and is scoped to the element on which it is defined and its children ←
15:08:05 <manu> * The profile document is marked up in RDFa, using a vocabulary designed to modify the behavior of the RDFa Processor
Manu Sporny: * The profile document is marked up in RDFa, using a vocabulary designed to modify the behavior of the RDFa Processor ←
15:08:08 <manu> * The default profile document can be specified in the RDFa Core spec. This document will outline what prefixes and tokens are pre-defined
Manu Sporny: * The default profile document can be specified in the RDFa Core spec. This document will outline what prefixes and tokens are pre-defined ←
15:08:11 <manu> * The profile document can specify tokens and prefixes
Manu Sporny: * The profile document can specify tokens and prefixes ←
15:08:13 <manu> * One does not use xmlns: to declare prefixes and tokens
Manu Sporny: * One does not use xmlns: to declare prefixes and tokens ←
15:08:17 <Zakim> +RobW
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15:09:22 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:09:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:09:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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15:09:50 <tinkster> ... but that <head profile> applies to *whole* document.
Toby Inkster: ... but that <head profile> applies to *whole* document. ←
15:09:54 <Steven> Ivan: I'm not sure all of these do have consensus
Ivan Herman: I'm not sure all of these do have consensus ←
15:10:05 <Steven> ... such as the xmlns one
... such as the xmlns one ←
15:10:23 <Steven> Chair: Manu
15:10:38 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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15:10:41 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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15:11:17 <Steven> Manu: I thought there was opposition to the JSON method, so then there was one proposal left
Manu Sporny: I thought there was opposition to the JSON method, so then there was one proposal left ←
15:11:27 <Steven> Ivan: There are two issues
Ivan Herman: There are two issues ←
15:11:46 <Steven> ... whether we use an RDF vocabulary for prefixes and tokens, and then how we serialise
... whether we use an RDF vocabulary for prefixes and tokens, and then how we serialise ←
15:12:08 <Steven> ... I thought Mark was not in favour of the first bit
... I thought Mark was not in favour of the first bit ←
15:12:12 <Steven> ... though I and Ben are
... though I and Ben are ←
15:12:39 <Steven> Manu: So the last bullet point and what Ivan has just said are dependent on each other
Manu Sporny: So the last bullet point and what Ivan has just said are dependent on each other ←
15:12:51 <Steven> ... Mark said we should be able to use xmlns for prefixes and tokens
... Mark said we should be able to use xmlns for prefixes and tokens ←
15:12:55 <Steven> Ivan: You are right
Ivan Herman: You are right ←
15:13:00 <Steven> ... I am against that as well
... I am against that as well ←
15:13:40 <Steven> Manu: There was a problem of leakage of prefixes into the authors document
Manu Sporny: There was a problem of leakage of prefixes into the authors document ←
15:14:36 <Steven> ... we may have consensus on the RDFa as profile bit
... we may have consensus on the RDFa as profile bit ←
15:14:54 <Steven> ... we may want dc and foaf in the predefined prefixes
... we may want dc and foaf in the predefined prefixes ←
15:15:13 <Steven> ... we would do that by saying if there is no profile specified then use this one by default
... we would do that by saying if there is no profile specified then use this one by default ←
15:15:17 <Steven> ... agree?
... agree? ←
15:15:26 <Steven> q+
q+ ←
15:15:33 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:15:39 <Steven> ack me
ack me ←
15:15:50 <manu> Steven: Do we really need to have a default profile?
Steven Pemberton: Do we really need to have a default profile? [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:15:56 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:16:26 <Steven> Manu: we wanted to have a default case that was available without using profile
Manu Sporny: we wanted to have a default case that was available without using profile ←
15:16:36 <tinkster> Would the default profile apply to XHTML+RDFa 1.1? or RDFa Core 1.1?
Toby Inkster: Would the default profile apply to XHTML+RDFa 1.1? or RDFa Core 1.1? ←
15:17:11 <Steven> Steven: What is the advantage over saying that the defaults are always there?
Steven Pemberton: What is the advantage over saying that the defaults are always there? ←
15:17:37 <Steven> Manu: There are two possibilities: overlaying your profile over the default
Manu Sporny: There are two possibilities: overlaying your profile over the default ←
15:18:09 <Steven> ... or replacing the default with your profile
... or replacing the default with your profile ←
15:18:23 <tinkster> Other host languages might prefer different default profiles.
Toby Inkster: Other host languages might prefer different default profiles. ←
15:18:57 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:19:00 <Steven> Manu: Answering Toby's question [scribe missed]
Manu Sporny: Answering Toby's question [scribe missed] ←
15:19:14 <Steven> Manu: Does ODF have a viewpoint on this?
Manu Sporny: Does ODF have a viewpoint on this? ←
15:19:19 <Steven> Rob: Not really
Robert Weir: Not really ←
15:19:34 <Steven> Manu: I would expect ODF to want a different set of defaults
Manu Sporny: I would expect ODF to want a different set of defaults ←
15:20:08 <Steven> Rob: The vocabs we are seeing in ODF1.2 are about embedded vcards, events etc; no FOAF
Robert Weir: The vocabs we are seeing in ODF1.2 are about embedded vcards, events etc; no FOAF ←
15:20:28 <Steven> q+
q+ ←
15:20:40 <Steven> Ivan: My proposal is we should postpone this discussion
Ivan Herman: My proposal is we should postpone this discussion ←
15:20:48 <Steven> ... we don't know what a profile doc will contain
... we don't know what a profile doc will contain ←
15:21:01 <Steven> ... so the default issue is premature
... so the default issue is premature ←
15:21:32 <Steven> Manu: Fine
Manu Sporny: Fine ←
15:21:40 <Steven> q-
q- ←
15:22:07 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:22:28 <Steven> Steven: For ODF there is no real problem with always having an explicit @profile, since the authoring arguments don't apply
Steven Pemberton: For ODF there is no real problem with always having an explicit @profile, since the authoring arguments don't apply ←
15:23:03 <Steven> Manu: If we want the concept of a default profile we need to be able to support prefixes in a profile document
Manu Sporny: If we want the concept of a default profile we need to be able to support prefixes in a profile document ←
15:23:26 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:23:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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15:23:32 <Steven> Ivan: I think the list if fine
Ivan Herman: I think the list if fine ←
15:23:58 <Steven> ... I'm not sure if we have consensus about dropping JSON
... I'm not sure if we have consensus about dropping JSON ←
15:24:27 <Steven> Manu: There are security implications associated with it, and CORS will solve it, and so will the RDFa API
Manu Sporny: There are security implications associated with it, and CORS will solve it, and so will the RDFa API ←
15:24:47 <Steven> ... and we don't want to mark up in two different ways
... and we don't want to mark up in two different ways ←
15:24:49 <Steven> q+
q+ ←
15:25:03 <Steven> Ivan: What does Toby think?
Ivan Herman: What does Toby think? ←
15:25:20 <Steven> Toby: The format should be RDF of some kind
Toby Inkster: The format should be RDF of some kind ←
15:25:58 <Steven> ... in any serialisation, but only RDFa is the only required one
... in any serialisation, but only RDFa is the only required one ←
15:26:20 <Steven> q?
q? ←
15:27:18 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:27:18 <Steven> Steven: I think it is the wrong way round - there is no consensus on *adding* JSON
Steven Pemberton: I think it is the wrong way round - there is no consensus on *adding* JSON ←
15:27:25 <Steven> Shane: I agree strongly
Shane McCarron: I agree strongly ←
15:27:41 <manu> The things that we still have to discuss:
Manu Sporny: The things that we still have to discuss: ←
15:27:43 <Steven> Manu: I would still like to hear Mark; he will have to fight hard though
Manu Sporny: I would still like to hear Mark; he will have to fight hard though ←
15:27:43 <manu> * What happens when you can't dereference the profile document? (Toby's proposal)
Manu Sporny: * What happens when you can't dereference the profile document? (Toby's proposal) ←
15:27:45 <manu> * Are we limiting next/prev/index/license/etc to @rel/@rev or allowing them everywhere?
Manu Sporny: * Are we limiting next/prev/index/license/etc to @rel/@rev or allowing them everywhere? ←
15:27:46 <ivan> ack Steven
Ivan Herman: ack Steven ←
15:27:46 <manu> * What is the mental model are tokens/prefixes two different concepts in RDFa or are they the same thing?
Manu Sporny: * What is the mental model are tokens/prefixes two different concepts in RDFa or are they the same thing? ←
15:27:47 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:27:48 <manu> * Are there backwards compatibility issues with the proposed path forward?
Manu Sporny: * Are there backwards compatibility issues with the proposed path forward? ←
15:28:04 <Steven> Ivan: I agree with Toby
Ivan Herman: I agree with Toby ←
15:28:17 <Steven> ... RDFa is the only required serialization
... RDFa is the only required serialization ←
15:28:17 <ShaneM> Me too
Shane McCarron: Me too ←
15:28:45 <Steven> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
15:28:45 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven should now be muted ←
15:29:37 <Steven> Manu: Mark seems to be concerned with the relation between token and prefix
Manu Sporny: Mark seems to be concerned with the relation between token and prefix ←
15:29:55 <Steven> ... and there are backward compatibility issues
... and there are backward compatibility issues ←
15:30:04 <Steven> ... Any other issues?
... Any other issues? ←
15:30:12 <Steven> Ivan: No
Ivan Herman: No ←
15:30:46 <Steven> ... how will we decide?
... how will we decide? ←
15:31:27 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0059
15:31:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:31:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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15:32:17 <Steven> Ivan: We have already had two versions of this document
Ivan Herman: We have already had two versions of this document ←
15:32:50 <Steven> ... I would like to see a feeling for which direction
... I would like to see a feeling for which direction ←
15:33:45 <Steven> ... we have to move on
... we have to move on ←
15:33:49 <Steven> q+
q+ ←
15:33:54 <Steven> ack me
ack me ←
15:34:19 <manu> Steven: There is no immediate hurry to move forward - we may want to let this stuff sink in for a while.
Steven Pemberton: There is no immediate hurry to move forward - we may want to let this stuff sink in for a while. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ] ←
15:34:28 <Steven> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
15:34:28 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven should now be muted ←
15:35:07 <Steven> Manu: A lot of the decisions are interrelated, and that's why I would like a bit more time to hold back on making a firm decision
Manu Sporny: A lot of the decisions are interrelated, and that's why I would like a bit more time to hold back on making a firm decision ←
15:35:57 <Steven> Manu: I think we should point to the latest document, and then work with that
Manu Sporny: I think we should point to the latest document, and then work with that ←
15:36:48 <Steven> Ivan: The decision on the restriction of tokens to @rel @rev is important
Ivan Herman: The decision on the restriction of tokens to @rel @rev is important ←
15:36:57 <tinkster> Another possibility is allowing profiles to define keywords that only apply to particular attributes.
Toby Inkster: Another possibility is allowing profiles to define keywords that only apply to particular attributes. ←
15:37:07 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:37:08 <Steven> Manu: Anyone object to allowing all tokens everywhere?
Manu Sporny: Anyone object to allowing all tokens everywhere? ←
15:37:25 <tinkster> e.g. typeof="Person"
Toby Inkster: e.g. typeof="Person" ←
15:38:06 <manu> q+ manu
Manu Sporny: q+ manu ←
15:38:10 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:38:13 <Steven> Ivan: Then the management of keywords and prefixes becomes very different
Ivan Herman: Then the management of keywords and prefixes becomes very different ←
15:38:21 <Steven> Shane: For an implementation?
Shane McCarron: For an implementation? ←
15:38:25 <Steven> Ivan: No
Ivan Herman: No ←
15:39:02 <Benjamin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0068.html
Benjamin Adrian: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Mar/0068.html ←
15:39:10 <Steven> Topic: RDFa API Direction
15:39:30 <Steven> Benjamin: See the above mail
Benjamin Adrian: See the above mail ←
15:39:35 <Steven> ... why is an API needed?
... why is an API needed? ←
15:39:49 <Steven> ... I looked at the code of some of the libraries
... I looked at the code of some of the libraries ←
15:40:03 <Steven> ... and how could an API help to reduce them
... and how could an API help to reduce them ←
15:40:15 <Steven> ... conclusion - most of the code is for HTML attributes
... conclusion - most of the code is for HTML attributes ←
15:40:27 <Steven> ... and so an API could help
... and so an API could help ←
15:40:39 <Steven> ... developers have to use some form of recursion
... developers have to use some form of recursion ←
15:40:44 <Steven> ... an API may help that
... an API may help that ←
15:40:55 <tinkster> yes
Toby Inkster: yes ←
15:40:56 <Steven> ... I looked at Operator for Firefox
... I looked at Operator for Firefox ←
15:40:58 <manu> yes
Manu Sporny: yes ←
15:40:59 <Knud> yup
Knud Möller: yup ←
15:41:21 <Steven> ... RDFa DOM API may help for that sort of app
... RDFa DOM API may help for that sort of app ←
15:41:50 <Steven> ... an API can hide the difference between URIs and CURIEs
... an API can hide the difference between URIs and CURIEs ←
15:42:02 <Steven> ... and external definitions in profiles
... and external definitions in profiles ←
15:42:12 <manu> q+
Manu Sporny: q+ ←
15:43:07 <Steven> Manu: Are we focussing on RDFa parser developers, or web page developers?
Manu Sporny: Are we focussing on RDFa parser developers, or web page developers? ←
15:43:12 <Steven> ... I think the latter
... I think the latter ←
15:43:24 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about audience
Shane McCarron: q+ to ask about audience ←
15:43:25 <tinkster> Certainly, to help page authors. The parser would be built into the browser.
Toby Inkster: Certainly, to help page authors. The parser would be built into the browser. ←
15:43:30 <manu> ack manu
Manu Sporny: ack manu ←
15:43:34 <Knud> I think the latter
Knud Möller: I think the latter ←
15:43:36 <manu> ack [IP
Manu Sporny: ack [IP ←
15:43:48 <manu> ack ShaneM
Manu Sporny: ack ShaneM ←
15:43:48 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about audience
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to ask about audience ←
15:44:34 <tinkster> DocA loads DocB in an iframe, and extracts triples from DocB.
Toby Inkster: DocA loads DocB in an iframe, and extracts triples from DocB. ←
15:44:51 <Knud> useful for mashups?
Knud Möller: useful for mashups? ←
15:44:54 <Steven> Shane: Who is our audience for this?
Shane McCarron: Who is our audience for this? ←
15:45:18 <Steven> Manu: App writers, crawlers
Manu Sporny: App writers, crawlers ←
15:45:59 <Benjamin> q+
Benjamin Adrian: q+ ←
15:46:43 <tinkster> Also GreaseMonkey/Opera User Scripts...
Toby Inkster: Also GreaseMonkey/Opera User Scripts... ←
15:46:45 <Steven> ... extracting the triples
... extracting the triples ←
15:46:58 <Steven> Shane: So native in a browser, or a library?
Shane McCarron: So native in a browser, or a library? ←
15:47:07 <Steven> Manu: Yes
Manu Sporny: Yes ←
15:47:13 <manu> ack Benjamin
Manu Sporny: ack Benjamin ←
15:47:32 <Steven> Benjamin: If we have an API, we don't need RDFa parsers anymore?
Benjamin Adrian: If we have an API, we don't need RDFa parsers anymore? ←
15:47:32 <tinkster> The parser powers the API.
Toby Inkster: The parser powers the API. ←
15:47:34 <Steven> Manu: Yes
Manu Sporny: Yes ←
15:47:45 <Steven> Shane: At least on the client side
Shane McCarron: At least on the client side ←
15:48:06 <Steven> Ivan: So my distiller will still be used.
Ivan Herman: So my distiller will still be used. ←
15:48:14 <tinkster> Even though we have XML DOM, we still need XML parsers!
Toby Inkster: Even though we have XML DOM, we still need XML parsers! ←
15:48:19 <Steven> Manu: We want to make it easier for web developers to use
Manu Sporny: We want to make it easier for web developers to use ←
15:48:40 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:48:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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15:49:06 <Steven> Benjamin: So the real focus is to extract RDF triples
Benjamin Adrian: So the real focus is to extract RDF triples ←
15:49:15 <Steven> ... and it should be possible to query
... and it should be possible to query ←
15:49:27 <manu> q+ to discuss add/removal of RDF triples
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss add/removal of RDF triples ←
15:49:29 <Steven> ... add triples, and remove them
... add triples, and remove them ←
15:49:42 <Steven> ... those last two may be optional
... those last two may be optional ←
15:49:51 <manu> ack [IP
Manu Sporny: ack [IP ←
15:49:51 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss add/removal of RDF triples
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss add/removal of RDF triples ←
15:50:05 <Steven> zakim, [IP is Manu
zakim, [IP is Manu ←
15:50:05 <Zakim> +Manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Manu; got it ←
15:50:16 <ivan> +1 to the current order
Ivan Herman: +1 to the current order ←
15:50:23 <Steven> Manu: Not sure about 2, and against 3 and 4
Manu Sporny: Not sure about 2, and against 3 and 4 ←
15:50:35 <tinkster> #3 is hard; #4 is easy but not especially useful without #3.
Toby Inkster: #3 is hard; #4 is easy but not especially useful without #3. ←
15:50:36 <Steven> ... at least in the first version
... at least in the first version ←
15:50:43 <Steven> ... maybe we can build it up by stages
... maybe we can build it up by stages ←
15:51:15 <ShaneM> I agree with Toby - you would need a CSS selector-like query interface... SPARQL in the browser
Shane McCarron: I agree with Toby - you would need a CSS selector-like query interface... SPARQL in the browser ←
15:51:35 <Steven> Manu: It would be difficult to do 3 and 4
Manu Sporny: It would be difficult to do 3 and 4 ←
15:51:51 <Steven> Ivan: I think 1 and 2 should be the focus for now
Ivan Herman: I think 1 and 2 should be the focus for now ←
15:52:20 <Steven> Benjamin: We need to define the cut between the RDFa DOM API and the triplestore API
Benjamin Adrian: We need to define the cut between the RDFa DOM API and the triplestore API ←
15:52:46 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:52:57 <Steven> Manu: Big unanswered question
Manu Sporny: Big unanswered question ←
15:53:05 <Steven> Ivan: Toby collected some APIs as examples
Ivan Herman: Toby collected some APIs as examples ←
15:53:09 <tinkster> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/RDF-API
Toby Inkster: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/RDF-API ←
15:53:19 <manu> q+ to discuss how this hooks into ODF and SVG
Manu Sporny: q+ to discuss how this hooks into ODF and SVG ←
15:53:23 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:53:31 <Steven> ... but what a triplestore API can do in a browser is unclear at the moment
... but what a triplestore API can do in a browser is unclear at the moment ←
15:54:05 <Steven> ... it is right to divide them
... it is right to divide them ←
15:54:23 <manu> ack Manu
Manu Sporny: ack Manu ←
15:54:23 <Zakim> Manu, you wanted to discuss how this hooks into ODF and SVG
Zakim IRC Bot: Manu, you wanted to discuss how this hooks into ODF and SVG ←
15:54:26 <Steven> ... for the time being, treat as separate
... for the time being, treat as separate ←
15:54:39 <ShaneM> +1 to permitting extracted triples to be put into a local triple store
Shane McCarron: +1 to permitting extracted triples to be put into a local triple store ←
15:55:04 <Steven> Manu: We may want to decide if there are triggers that require the one API to use the other
Manu Sporny: We may want to decide if there are triggers that require the one API to use the other ←
15:55:25 <Steven> ... safety and privacy issues need attention
... safety and privacy issues need attention ←
15:55:34 <Steven> ... shouldn't focus on the triplestore API
... shouldn't focus on the triplestore API ←
15:55:59 <Steven> ... we may want to see how the DOM API matches the SVG DOM API
... we may want to see how the DOM API matches the SVG DOM API ←
15:56:05 <Steven> ... and there's ODF as well
... and there's ODF as well ←
15:56:17 <Steven> Rob: No standardised DOM representation as of now
Robert Weir: No standardised DOM representation as of now ←
15:56:28 <Steven> Manu: We should watch that though
Manu Sporny: We should watch that though ←
15:56:40 <Steven> .. and talk to Doug Schepers too
.. and talk to Doug Schepers too ←
15:57:02 <Steven> Ivan: I have used the SVG DOM, I don't foresee a problem
Ivan Herman: I have used the SVG DOM, I don't foresee a problem ←
15:57:16 <Steven> ... it is a read-only API
... it is a read-only API ←
15:57:35 <Benjamin> q+ to talk about the first sketch at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/RDFa-DOM-API
Benjamin Adrian: q+ to talk about the first sketch at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/RDFa-DOM-API ←
15:57:46 <Steven> ... only if we start adding and removing triples do I see a problem
... only if we start adding and removing triples do I see a problem ←
15:57:49 <manu> ack Benjamin
Manu Sporny: ack Benjamin ←
15:57:49 <Zakim> Benjamin, you wanted to talk about the first sketch at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/RDFa-DOM-API
Zakim IRC Bot: Benjamin, you wanted to talk about the first sketch at http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/RDFa-DOM-API ←
15:58:07 <Steven> Benjamin: Just to mention the first version
Benjamin Adrian: Just to mention the first version ←
15:58:38 <ShaneM> Do we envision this is a 'live' list that is updated as there are mutation events, or a static list that must be updated by the developer as needed?
Shane McCarron: Do we envision this is a 'live' list that is updated as there are mutation events, or a static list that must be updated by the developer as needed? ←
15:58:38 <Steven> ... we should play with it
... we should play with it ←
15:58:41 <Steven> ... try it out
... try it out ←
15:58:51 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:58:57 <manu> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:59:23 <Steven> Ivan: Looking at the microdata API would be a good comparison
Ivan Herman: Looking at the microdata API would be a good comparison ←
15:59:24 <manu> q+ to end the meeting.
Manu Sporny: q+ to end the meeting. ←
15:59:40 <Steven> ... try to keep them similar
... try to keep them similar ←
15:59:44 <tinkster> IIRC microdata API is quite resource-based, whereas current RDFa suggestion quite triple-based.
Toby Inkster: IIRC microdata API is quite resource-based, whereas current RDFa suggestion quite triple-based. ←
15:59:59 <Steven> ack me
ack me ←
16:00:04 <Steven> q+
q+ ←
16:00:25 <manu> ack Manu
Manu Sporny: ack Manu ←
16:00:25 <Zakim> Manu, you wanted to end the meeting.
Zakim IRC Bot: Manu, you wanted to end the meeting. ←
16:00:27 <Steven> Ivan: Don't forget the time changes
Ivan Herman: Don't forget the time changes ←
16:00:28 <manu> ack Steven
Manu Sporny: ack Steven ←
16:01:05 <Steven> Steven: Ivan and I can't make the call in two week's time, because of the W3C AC meeting, and Ivan will miss the week after that as well. We should both be here next week.
Steven Pemberton: Ivan and I can't make the call in two week's time, because of the W3C AC meeting, and Ivan will miss the week after that as well. We should both be here next week. ←
16:01:44 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:01:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-rdfa-minutes.html Steven ←
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