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<sandro> Present: LeeF, kasei, AndyS, iv_an_ru, bijan, steveh, Chimezie_Ogbuji, LukeWM, john-l, terraces, AxelPolleres, ivan, ywang4, Souri, EricP, Ori, daveNewman, Souri_Das 14:16:10 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql 14:16:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-irc 15:01:27 <LeeF> zakim, who's here? 15:01:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, kasei (muted), AndyS, bijan (muted), ??P26, john-l, iv_an_ru, [Garlik], Chimezie_Ogbuji, terraces, AxelPolleres, ivan, +656304aabb 15:02:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see AxelPolleres, terraces, LukeWM, bijan, ywang4, chimezie, SteveH, ivan, AndyS, kasei, john-l, RRSAgent, Zakim, LeeF, AndyS_, iv_an_ru, trackbot, sandro, ericP 15:03:49 <AxelPolleres> scribe: AxelPolleres 15:04:11 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-03-03 agenda 15:04:12 <AxelPolleres> scribenick: AxelPolleres <LeeF> summary: SPARQL WG conducts its work in public 15:05:06 <AxelPolleres> Lee: clarification... Wg is open only to W3C members, although we conduct work in public 15:05:33 <AxelPolleres> ... minutes, agenda, wiki are all public and encouraged to be shared. 15:05:59 <LeeF> team-sparql-chairs@w3.org 15:06:09 <AxelPolleres> ... if you want to keep something non-public, mail us (team/chairs) 15:06:19 <LeeF> topic: admin 15:06:48 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-02-24 minutes from last week 15:06:56 <AxelPolleres> minutes from last time are on the web. 15:07:06 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: accept minutes from last week 15:07:23 <bijan> I just look and they look ok 15:07:30 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: minutes from last week approved 15:07:40 <john-l> Zakim: mute me 15:07:44 <LeeF> scribenick: ericP 15:08:13 <ericP> next meeting: 10am US time 15:08:48 <LeeF> zakim, who's speaking? 15:08:59 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (31%), AndyS (13%), Souri (38%) 15:09:01 <LeeF> 14:00 UTC next meeting 15:09:06 <ericP> lastlog trackbot 15:09:12 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute Souri 15:09:12 <Zakim> Souri should now be muted 15:09:33 <ericP> trackbot, start teleconf 15:09:33 <LeeF> topic: logistics 15:09:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:09:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be No Teleconference 15:09:39 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 15:09:40 <trackbot> Meeting: AC Meeting attendees group Teleconference 15:09:40 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2009 15:09:56 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki 15:10:26 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP 15:10:26 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I don't know what conference this is 15:10:32 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQL 15:10:32 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM 15:10:37 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP 15:10:37 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted 15:10:57 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Meetings 15:11:15 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-irc#T15-11-15 15:11:37 <Zakim> +daveNewman 15:11:45 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Scribe_List scribe list 15:13:30 <trackbot> Getting data for channel #sparql at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track//api/users failed - alert sysreq of a possible bug <LeeF> topic: More introductions 15:14:18 <ericP> LeeF: we have intros linked from the wiki 15:14:29 <LeeF> zakim, who's here? 15:14:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, kasei (muted), AndyS, bijan (muted), john-l, iv_an_ru, [Garlik], Chimezie_Ogbuji, terraces, AxelPolleres, ivan, ywang4, Souri (muted), EricP (muted), Ori, 15:14:30 <ericP> ... encourage others to supply intros 15:14:33 <Zakim> ... daveNewman 15:14:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see dom, AxelPolleres, terraces, LukeWM, bijan, ywang4, chimezie, SteveH, ivan, AndyS, kasei, john-l, RRSAgent, Zakim, LeeF, AndyS_, iv_an_ru, trackbot, sandro, ericP 15:14:50 <ericP> john-l: chime and i missed last week 15:15:04 <ericP> ... 2nd rep for cleveland clinic (cleveburg OH) 15:15:23 <ericP> ... chime and i are working on an impl, hoping to push mods back into spec 15:15:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:15:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be No Teleconference 15:15:32 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 15:15:34 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 15:15:35 <ericP> chime: john-l and i work on a patient registry 15:15:36 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2009 15:15:52 <ericP> ... we've done a hand full of improvements. expect they are useful in general 15:15:58 <ericP> ivan: ivan the elder 15:16:07 <ericP> ... W3C semweb activity lead 15:16:13 <ericP> ... 2nd contact 15:16:28 <ericP> yimin: working in lilly singapore 15:16:44 <ericP> ... working on data integration projects in lilly 15:16:58 <ericP> ... looking for insert/delete, stuff like that 15:17:11 <LeeF> zakim, unmute Souri 15:17:11 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I don't know what conference this is 15:17:16 <LeeF> zakim, this is SPARQL 15:17:16 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM 15:17:18 <ivan> zakim, mute me 15:17:18 <Zakim> ivan should now be muted 15:17:21 <LeeF> zakim, unmute Souri 15:17:21 <Zakim> Souri should no longer be muted 15:17:43 <ericP> souri: Souri Das, Oracle 15:18:27 <ericP> souri: was part of DAWG. passionate about it as i expect it to be useful for DI in general 15:18:52 <LeeF> topic: liaisons <LeeF> summary: Liaisons are: Axel (RIF), Bijan (OWL), Orri & iv_an_ru (RDB2RDF), EricP (HCLS IG, XQuery) 15:19:22 <ericP> LeeF, we might want a tracker intro under logistics 15:19:39 <LeeF> ericP, yes, i agree, but am not prepared to do it at the moment :) 15:19:44 <ericP> AxelPolleres: liasons are supposed to connect us with other groups touching our work 15:20:07 <ericP> ... need liasons with three W3C groups: 15:20:10 <bijan> XQuery? 15:20:11 <ericP> ... .. OWL 15:20:14 <ericP> ... .. RIF 15:20:19 <ericP> ... .. RdfRDB 15:20:21 <bijan> HCLS interest group 15:20:27 <ericP> ... any other suggestions? 15:20:31 <ivan> s/RdfRDB/RDB2RDF/ 15:20:47 <ericP> ... would like liason status update at beginnings of meetings 15:21:03 <bijan> I think it's overkill to do it each telecon...generally, there's fewer occasions to mention 15:21:06 <bijan> q+ 15:21:24 <souri2> souri2 has joined #sparql 15:21:25 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 15:21:25 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 15:21:43 <LeeF> ack bijan 15:21:56 <ericP> RESOLVED: Bijan appointed OWL liason 15:21:57 <iv_an_ru> Orri and I are in RDB2RDF 15:22:04 <ericP> q+ to say i have good contact with HCLS 15:22:14 <AxelPolleres> Bijan: additional liaison XQuery? 15:22:20 <bijan> +1 to eric for liasing with HCLS 15:22:27 <ericP> RESOLVED: ericP appointed HCLS liason 15:22:31 <ivan> q+ can also liaise with OWL if bijan has a problem of timing, for example 15:22:46 <ericP> RESOLVED: orri appointed RDB2RDF liason 15:22:58 <ericP> RESOLVED: axel appointed RIF liason 15:23:29 <ericP> ack me 15:23:31 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say i have good contact with HCLS 15:24:18 <AxelPolleres> Should we "advertise" to them? maybe someone was interested to join us, at least to follow? 15:24:21 <AndyS> XQuery arealos working on full text search 15:24:33 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP 15:24:33 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted 15:24:40 <ericP> but i was locally muted 15:24:46 <AndyS> s/arealoo/are also/ 15:24:49 <ericP> ericP: expect that we will need to touch XQuery if we import more XPath functions 15:24:51 <LeeF> topic: F2F <LeeF> summary: F2F 1 will be May 6-7 in Cambridge, MA. See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F1 , 15:24:58 <AndyS> s/arealos/are also/ 15:25:23 <ericP> LeeF: most folks have tougher travel restrictions than in the past 15:25:37 <iv_an_ru> we will need to touch XQuery if we extend XQuery with SPARQL :) 15:25:37 <ericP> ... don't expect to have our four meetings this year 15:25:56 <ericP> ... hope to have a f2f a couple months from now when we settle on our deliverables 15:27:24 <ericP> PROPOSED: host first f2f 5-6May in Cambridge, MA, USA -- (other telecon sites may be amendmants) 15:27:43 <bijan> tues are potentially bad 15:28:09 <AndyS> May 6,7 is preferrable to me as well. Can make May 5 if necessary 15:28:25 <bijan> I can't do tues easily 15:28:53 <LeeF> zakim, unmute ericP 15:28:53 <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted 15:29:26 <AxelPolleres> eric: rooms might be a problem 7-8 15:31:17 <bijan> 2 days 15:31:22 <chimezie> +1 2 days 15:31:24 <ywang4> 2 days should be fine 15:31:28 <SteveH> +1 2 days 15:31:30 <ivan> 2 days (it is hard to keep up work of that intensity for 3 days) 15:31:40 <souri2> May 6-7 is better for me. 2 days. 15:31:42 <AndyS> 2 days unless it is clear 3 is needed 15:31:52 <bijan> Can't do the 5th 15:31:58 <bijan> (most likely) 15:32:07 <AxelPolleres> no preference 15:32:24 <ywang4> okay, i can try to adapt 15:33:04 <iv_an_ru> My US visa has expired so I'm probably missing the f2f. 15:33:14 <AxelPolleres> let's tentatively fix 6-7 shall we also set up a questionaire? 15:33:15 <SteveH> +q to ask about multi site 15:33:56 <ivan> no 15:34:00 <bijan> I think chairs decision is fine 15:34:14 <LeeF> ack SteveH 15:34:14 <Zakim> SteveH, you wanted to ask about multi site 15:34:19 <bijan> As long as it's announced far enough in advance...8 weeks 15:34:57 <AndyS> I can ask our comms people about a telecon link 15:35:07 <bijan> I can ask about access grid access 15:35:27 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP 15:35:27 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted 15:35:56 <LeeF> Pick other (U.K. / Europe?) site in the next week or two, please send possibilities to mailing list 15:36:27 <ericP> PROPOSED: host first f2f 6-7May in Cambridge, MA, USA -- (other telecon sites may be amendmants) 15:36:39 <souri2> What will be the hours for F2F? 15:36:41 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F1 15:36:49 <AxelPolleres> q+ 15:36:56 <ericP> q+ to mention video room availability 15:37:52 <LeeF> ack ericP 15:37:54 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to mention video room availability 15:37:59 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 15:38:16 <ivan> q+ 15:38:23 <bijan> Manchester has a room 15:38:35 <bijan> HP has one...I've seen it :) 15:39:10 <ivan> ack ivan 15:40:41 <LeeF> zakim, mute ericP 15:40:41 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted 15:41:02 <LeeF> topic: features & use cases 15:41:24 <iv_an_ru> use case 1: TPC-H 15:41:36 <iv_an_ru> (we pass it in SPARQL :) 15:41:39 <ericP> LeeF: 1st phase: define what features we want to work on 15:41:56 <ericP> ... we're bound to 18 months, including spec, tests, impl report 15:42:13 <ericP> ... likely a very small set. need to settle on them in the next month 15:42:25 <bijan> q+ 15:42:38 <AxelPolleres> Please indicate your availability for F2F1 on the wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F1 15:42:53 <ericP> ... we're blurring the line between use case and feature 15:43:15 <ericP> ... e.g. "peform aggregate functions", "query over arbitrary length tasks" 15:43:46 <AndyS> q+ to ask about outside contributions 15:43:51 <ericP> ... we're not aiming for higher-level use cases, à la "Bob runs a stereo store..." 15:44:16 <ericP> ... looking for examples, implementations 15:44:27 <LeeF> ack bijan 15:44:29 <iv_an_ru> use case 2: a graph with Gantt chart, personal calendars and some trivial validation. 15:44:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 15:44:29 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan 15:44:34 <ericP> ... need a champions who will speak in depth about the feature 15:44:52 <ericP> bijan: would we do one req, or stagger them? 15:45:10 <ivan> q+ 15:45:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me 15:45:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 15:45:36 <ericP> LeeF: should we write todo list or a priority list? 15:45:38 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 15:45:38 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 15:45:47 <ericP> bijan: i like getting things done 15:46:02 <ericP> ... but there's value publicity of a slew of things 15:46:09 <ericP> ... but if we can get stuff out 15:46:11 <ericP> q+ 15:46:13 <AxelPolleres> q+ 15:46:16 <bijan> zakim, mute me 15:46:16 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 15:46:48 <ericP> AndyS: knocking off some easy ones would get the community engaged 15:46:52 <bijan> +1 to AndyS 15:46:59 <LeeF> ack ivan 15:47:03 <SteveH> +1 to AndyS 15:47:04 <ericP> ... i like to work on one thing at a time, and do i properly 15:47:16 <ericP> ivan: short charter, and rec process takes time and energy 15:47:26 <AndyS> s/do i /do it / 15:47:30 <ericP> ... publishing several things in a staggered way could backfire 15:47:42 <bijan> q+ to answer 15:47:51 <ericP> ... bijan, is the idea to pub sparql1,1, 1,2, 1.3? 15:47:52 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 15:47:52 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 15:48:05 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter.html#deliverables 15:48:09 <iv_an_ru> +q 15:48:12 <ericP> bijan, was wondering if we could modularize parts into specs. 15:48:24 <bijan> zakim, mute me 15:48:24 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 15:48:26 <ericP> ... e.g. separate owl semantics spec 15:48:59 <Zakim> +Souri_Das 15:49:01 <Zakim> -Souri 15:49:01 <LeeF> ack ericP 15:49:11 <bijan> The HTML5 spec indicates the stability levels of different *sections* of the spec...which might be good for implementors 15:49:13 <ericP> LeeF: modularizing sounds great, if we can modularize ourselves 15:49:17 <AndyS> +1 to modularization (if it does not cause rework just for modulrity) 15:49:26 <LeeF> ack bijan 15:49:27 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to answer 15:49:32 <LeeF> zakim, mute bijan 15:49:33 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 15:49:35 <bijan> zakim, mute me 15:49:35 <Zakim> bijan was already muted, bijan 15:50:38 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres 15:50:44 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-irc#T15-50-44 15:50:47 <ericP> ericP: could modularize sections, do tests and impl reports, and package as a spec when we get near the end 15:51:10 <ericP> AxelPolleres: use cases should identify which spec they affect (e.g. protocol, xml results format) 15:51:25 <ericP> ... we've listed deliverables in the charter. we're not bound to that? 15:51:42 <ericP> LeeF: nope. our deliverables will fall out from our use cases 15:52:04 <SteveH> q+ to ask about terminology 15:52:16 <LeeF> ack iv_an_ru 15:52:57 <ericP> iv_an_ru: not sure the final doc should be a single spec, e.g. SPARQL1.1 15:53:09 <ericP> ... they [features] are more useful when used together 15:53:24 <ericP> ... when i need business intelligence, i need it on everything 15:53:29 <ivan> +1 to iv_an_ru 15:53:34 <ericP> LeeF: don't expect us to break up core parts 15:54:07 <LeeF> q? 15:54:13 <LeeF> ack SteveH 15:54:13 <Zakim> SteveH, you wanted to ask about terminology 15:54:13 <bijan> The spec shouldn't have everything it but neither should it be the minimal publishable unit 15:54:17 <ericP> ... don't want to lose interop if all these features are on their own specs 15:54:21 <bijan> Rightsizing! 15:55:01 <ericP> SteveH: do we want use cases? 15:55:09 <bijan> New features + rationale? 15:55:14 <ericP> ... am nagged by calling features "use cases" 15:55:14 <iv_an_ru> yes! 15:55:20 <AxelPolleres> q+ 15:55:31 <ericP> ... just want to call them what they are 15:55:32 <chimezie> then perhaps we should be a little more explicit in the request for what we want (usecase v.s. feature request) 15:55:32 <bijan> (The OWL document is called "new features and rationales" 15:55:42 <ericP> LeeF: agreed. would like to dive straight into features 15:56:11 <ericP> SteveH: when we prioritize, we'll talk about use cases, regardless of whether we write them down 15:56:36 <AndyS> While features are natural/obvious this is OK but if one comes along which the WG as a whole finds unobvious, we need to back off to use cases. 15:56:49 <LeeF> +1 to AndyS_ 15:56:53 <SteveH> +1 15:56:53 <ericP> AxelPolleres: template rationale: thought the features we want to add should be driven by practical examples 15:57:07 <iv_an_ru> use cases should be written down at least in our wiki, if not in final docs, because they demonstrate how features "interoperate". 15:57:14 <bijan> Use cases doesn't exhaust...e.g., implementability are also considerations 15:57:17 <ericP> ... had in mind to merge use cases in the 2nd phase 15:57:28 <ericP> ... good feature requests often have a use case around them 15:57:57 <iv_an_ru> Let's think that everything is implementable :) 15:58:01 <bijan> So, new feature: "Awesome feature"; rationale: "here's the intuition", "here's the implementation considerations", "here's some use cases" 15:58:10 <ericP> ... if you a system with .e.g aggregates, add you syntax to that feature 15:58:58 <bijan> Are we all registered in the wiki? If not what do we do? 15:59:21 <SteveH> +1 to calling the features and having a usecase subsection 15:59:27 <ericP> LeeF: let's call them features (tweak the template), add a section for use cases under each feature, and have example syntaxes for the feature 15:59:44 <LukeWM> +1 to that too 15:59:49 <ywang4> will go offline shortly, have fun :) 15:59:59 <ericP> RESOLVED: rename "use cases" to "features" 16:00:10 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji 16:00:14 <bijan> Did I miss the in 16:00:18 <ywang4> ywang4 has left #sparql 16:00:25 <bijan> structiosn for getting on the wiki? 16:00:33 <Zakim> -john-l 16:00:53 <bijan> Oh. Ewwwww 16:00:57 <LeeF> I'll send a bunch about this in email 16:01:09 <Zakim> -ywang4 16:02:12 <LeeF> ack AndyS 16:02:12 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about outside contributions 16:02:26 <AxelPolleres> q- 16:02:52 <ericP> AndyS: what about folks who are not in the group, but plan to join 16:02:58 <ericP> ... ? 16:03:08 <ivan> q+ 16:03:09 <ericP> LeeF: would like folks to send to public-rdf-dawg-comments 16:03:35 <LeeF> ack ivan 16:03:39 <bijan> +1 to open solicitation 16:03:40 <SteveH> risks a lot of work sorting out duplicates 16:03:44 <ericP> AndyS: danger of opening floodgate 16:03:46 <SteveH> but still +1 16:03:50 <bijan> We can always say "no" :) 16:03:59 <LeeF> I'll take the responsibility for sorting out dupes :-) 16:04:10 <AxelPolleres> q+ 16:04:25 <bijan> No specification without championiation! 16:04:27 <iv_an_ru> We can invite people to read the wiki before (re)submitting proposals :) 16:04:39 <LeeF> iv_an_ru +1 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> heavy echo 16:05:04 <Zakim> -EricP 16:05:08 <Zakim> -bijan 16:05:10 <bijan> ta ta 16:05:18 <AxelPolleres> scribenick: AxelPolleres 16:05:48 <AxelPolleres> Ivan: we can allow input from those who intend to join. 16:05:52 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:05:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-minutes.html ericP 16:05:57 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible 16:06:14 <AxelPolleres> Lee: Will sned an email on the list to gather as many features as we can by next week. 16:06:19 <iv_an_ru> Even more, implementation providers may announce in their support mailing lists that they collect wishes for SPARQL 2.0 and act as proxies. 16:06:38 <AndyS> SPARQL 1.1 please. Not 2.0. It's incremental! 16:06:44 <AxelPolleres> ... Is it appropriate to list that on the blog as well. 16:06:46 <SteveH> +1 to SPARQL 1.1 16:06:48 <AxelPolleres> Ivan: sure. 16:07:03 <iv_an_ru> ok, SPARQL 1.1 16:07:18 <AxelPolleres> Ivan: Next week will be messy, since meeting is one hour earlier!!! 16:07:38 <SteveH> bye 16:07:40 <AxelPolleres> meeting adjourned 16:07:41 <Zakim> -Ori 16:07:43 <Zakim> -daveNewman 16:07:44 <Zakim> -[Garlik] 16:07:44 <Zakim> -ivan 16:07:44 <Zakim> -LeeF 16:07:46 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru 16:07:49 <Zakim> -kasei 16:07:51 <Zakim> -Souri_Das 16:07:53 <Zakim> -terraces 16:07:59 <AxelPolleres> RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:07:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-minutes.html AxelPolleres 16:08:22 <Zakim> -AndyS 16:08:30 <AxelPolleres> RRSAgent, list attendees 16:08:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:08:38 <LeeF> AxelPolleres, do you want to try to follow the scribe instructions, or would you like me to? 16:08:38 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, list attendees 16:08:38 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been LeeF, kasei, AndyS, +1.216.445.aaaa, iv_an_ru, bijan, [Garlik], Chimezie_Ogbuji, john-l, terraces, AxelPolleres, ivan, +656304aabb, ywang4, 16:08:42 <Zakim> ... +1.603.897.aacc, Souri, EricP, Ori, daveNewman, Souri_Das 16:08:43 <AxelPolleres> RRSAgent, list attendees 16:08:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', AxelPolleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:08:45 <AxelPolleres> RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:08:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-sparql-minutes.html AxelPolleres 16:08:57 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres 16:08:59 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended 16:09:01 <Zakim> Attendees were LeeF, kasei, AndyS, +1.216.445.aaaa, iv_an_ru, bijan, [Garlik], Chimezie_Ogbuji, john-l, terraces, AxelPolleres, ivan, +656304aabb, ywang4, +1.603.897.aacc, Souri, 16:09:03 <Zakim> ... EricP, Ori, daveNewman, Souri_Das 16:11:12 <LukeWM_> LukeWM_ has joined #sparql 16:11:23 <SteveH> SteveH has joined #sparql 16:12:05 <LeeF> ok, I'm on the minutes, plus sending variety of emails to people 16:12:13 <LeeF> but not for a few hours :D # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000498