as for reviews, all reviews should cover substantive issues, structure, and editorial issues
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14:52:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL
Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
14:52:45 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
14:53:02 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11
14:53:15 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
14:53:35 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Paul Gearon, Olivier Corby
14:56:47 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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14:56:54 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
14:57:05 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
14:57:05 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
14:57:18 <Zakim> +SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH ←
14:57:32 <SteveH> UK users rushing to get lines :)
Steve Harris: UK users rushing to get lines :) ←
14:57:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:57:51 <SteveH> IPcaller has breathing noise
Steve Harris: IPcaller has breathing noise ←
14:57:52 <cbuilara> Zakim, +IPcaller is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, +IPcaller is me ←
14:57:52 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller' ←
14:57:59 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
14:58:17 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking? ←
14:58:28 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bglimm (24%), [IPcaller] (39%), AxelPolleres (50%)
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bglimm (24%), [IPcaller] (39%), AxelPolleres (50%) ←
14:58:44 <cbuilara> Zakim, ??IPcaller is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, ??IPcaller is me ←
14:58:44 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '??IPcaller'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '??IPcaller' ←
14:58:44 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:58:45 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:58:50 <cbuilara> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:58:50 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
14:59:03 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
14:59:08 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
14:59:08 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:59:09 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
14:59:12 <SteveH> cbuilara, can you mute, your mic is very noisy
Steve Harris: cbuilara, can you mute, your mic is very noisy ←
14:59:17 <AndyS> Hi all
Andy Seaborne: Hi all ←
14:59:45 <Zakim> + +49.911.973.4.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.911.973.4.aaaa ←
15:00:02 <NicoM> zakim, +49.911 is me
Nico Michaelis: zakim, +49.911 is me ←
15:00:10 <Zakim> +NicoM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NicoM; got it ←
15:01:01 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:01:04 <AndyS> zakim, be happy
Andy Seaborne: zakim, be happy ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'be happy', AndyS
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15:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aabb ←
15:01:36 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, aabb is me ←
15:01:51 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:03:43 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:03:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres ←
15:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm (muted), SteveH, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, NicoM, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm (muted), SteveH, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, NicoM, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro ←
15:04:39 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aacc ←
15:04:41 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.636.aadd ←
15:04:45 <AlexPassant> ok
Alexandre Passant: ok ←
15:04:51 <AlexPassant> Zakim, 3539149aacc is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, 3539149aacc is me ←
15:04:53 <AlexPassant> I'll do it
Alexandre Passant: I'll do it ←
15:04:57 <Zakim> sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aacc' ←
15:04:58 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aadd is me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.636.aadd is me ←
15:05:02 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Alex Passant
(Scribe set to Alexandre Passant)
15:05:03 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it ←
15:05:12 <AlexPassant> Zakim, +3539149aacc is me
Zakim, +3539149aacc is me ←
15:05:17 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:05:28 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11 ←
15:06:11 <AlexPassant> topic: admin
15:06:15 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21 ←
15:06:17 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: approve minutes for the last meeting
Axel Polleres: approve minutes for the last meeting ←
15:06:19 <Zakim> + +44.164.235.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.164.235.aaee ←
15:06:19 <AlexPassant> ... comments ?
... comments ? ←
15:06:42 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21 ←
15:06:44 <AlexPassant> ... minutes approved
... minutes approved ←
15:06:52 <NickH> zakim, +44.164.235.aaee is me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, +44.164.235.aaee is me ←
15:06:52 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:06:56 <NickH> (I think)
Nicholas Humfrey: (I think) ←
15:07:08 <AlexPassant> ... current comments
... current comments ←
15:07:14 <AlexPassant> ... some comments over the break
... some comments over the break ←
15:07:23 <AlexPassant> ... draft responses that need approval
... draft responses that need approval ←
15:07:25 <AlexPassant> ... or discussion
... or discussion ←
15:07:39 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JP-2 from Andy
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JP-2 from Andy ←
15:07:45 <AlexPassant> ... JP-2 - comment from AndyS
... JP-2 - comment from AndyS ←
15:08:06 <AndyS> LeeF has tentatively approved it. ideally, want a second +1
Andy Seaborne: LeeF has tentatively approved it. ideally, want a second +1 ←
15:08:06 <AlexPassant> ... next one, Ian Davis comment
... next one, Ian Davis comment ←
15:08:08 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:ID-1
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:ID-1 ←
15:08:13 <AlexPassant> ... response drafted from chimezie
... response drafted from chimezie ←
15:08:44 <SteveH> also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DBeckett-1
Steve Harris: also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DBeckett-1 ←
15:08:44 <AlexPassant> ... discussion on the list around the comment
... discussion on the list around the comment ←
15:09:08 <AlexPassant> chimezie: one comment about the term "RDF knowledge"
Chimezie Ogbuji: one comment about the term "RDF knowledge" ←
15:09:28 <AlexPassant> ... beyond that, would be good to have input
... beyond that, would be good to have input ←
15:09:40 <AlexPassant> ... some things he asks are about graph storage
... some things he asks are about graph storage ←
15:09:42 <AxelPolleres> wait until we have resolved that terminology....
Axel Polleres: wait until we have resolved that terminology.... ←
15:10:07 <AlexPassant> ... please people look at it and comment if you're not ok with it
... please people look at it and comment if you're not ok with it ←
15:10:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses
ACTION: update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses ←
15:10:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - update
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - update ←
15:11:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses
ACTION: Axel to update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses ←
15:11:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-353 - Update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-353 - Update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:11:10 <AlexPassant> ... next regular meeting in a week
... next regular meeting in a week ←
15:11:15 <AlexPassant> ... scribe : olivier
... scribe : olivier ←
15:11:39 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:11:43 <AxelPolleres> topic: To Last Call
Summary: as for reviews, all reviews should cover substantive issues, structure, and editorial issues
15:11:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
15:12:03 <AlexPassant> ... collecting topics on LC on the wiki
... collecting topics on LC on the wiki ←
15:12:07 <AlexPassant> ... ask ediors to complete this asap
... ask ediors to complete this asap ←
15:12:39 <AlexPassant> ... and mention what's missing
... and mention what's missing ←
15:12:46 <AlexPassant> ... query document
... query document ←
15:12:52 <AlexPassant> SteveH: 2 things on the TODO list
Steve Harris: 2 things on the TODO list ←
15:12:56 <AlexPassant> ... check subqueries
... check subqueries ←
15:13:03 <AlexPassant> ... english language
... english language ←
15:13:20 <SteveH> no
Steve Harris: no ←
15:13:24 <AndyS> Ah.
Andy Seaborne: Ah. ←
15:13:26 <Zakim> +??P50
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P50 ←
15:13:36 <AndyS> Steve - theer is the formal section to complete for agg/group.
Andy Seaborne: Steve - theer is the formal section to complete for agg/group. ←
15:13:37 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P50 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P50 is me ←
15:13:37 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:13:57 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:13:57 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:14:02 <AxelPolleres> seems we can't hear andy
Axel Polleres: seems we can't hear andy ←
15:14:10 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:14:10 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
15:14:11 <SteveH> AndyS, I think that's done, but feel free to point me to missing bits after the call
Steve Harris: AndyS, I think that's done, but feel free to point me to missing bits after the call ←
15:14:29 <NickH> <silence>
Nicholas Humfrey: <silence> ←
15:14:30 <AndyS> Steve - not in copy I see - the vars things don't line up yet. Offline.
Andy Seaborne: Steve - not in copy I see - the vars things don't line up yet. Offline. ←
15:14:31 <AxelPolleres> andy, maybe redai, we can't heaer you it seems
Axel Polleres: andy, maybe redai, we can't heaer you it seems ←
15:14:37 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:14:44 <Zakim> -NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: -NicoM ←
15:14:55 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: comprehensie list of pending issues
Axel Polleres: comprehensie list of pending issues ←
15:15:09 <AlexPassant> ... any reviewer for the query document ?
... any reviewer for the query document ? ←
15:15:20 <LeeF> Me please
Lee Feigenbaum: Me please ←
15:15:20 <bglimm> I can review Query again
Birte Glimm: I can review Query again ←
15:15:22 <MattPerry> I can review it ... I just signed up
Matthew Perry: I can review it ... I just signed up ←
15:15:26 <LeeF> haha
Lee Feigenbaum: haha ←
15:15:29 <LeeF> everyone wants to review query!
Lee Feigenbaum: everyone wants to review query! ←
15:15:30 <AlexPassant> ... at leaast 2 reviews per document
... at leaast 2 reviews per document ←
15:15:42 <bglimm> Lots of volunteers ;-)
Birte Glimm: Lots of volunteers ;-) ←
15:15:45 <AlexPassant> ... LeeF , bglimm and MattPerry volunteer
... LeeF , bglimm and MattPerry volunteer ←
15:16:12 <AlexPassant> LeeF: sturctural changes, language changes ...
Lee Feigenbaum: sturctural changes, language changes ... ←
15:16:18 <AlexPassant> ... review to be as comprehensive as possible
... review to be as comprehensive as possible ←
15:16:38 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next: update
Axel Polleres: next: update ←
15:17:03 <AxelPolleres> Alex: got an email from Andy on editorial comments ...
Alexandre Passant: got an email from Andy on editorial comments ... [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:17:08 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
15:17:10 <AxelPolleres> ... main thing missing formal model
Axel Polleres: ... main thing missing formal model ←
15:17:16 <AndyS> zakim, ??P15 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:17:16 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:18:07 <SteveH> ok to review update document
Steve Harris: ok to review update document ←
15:18:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Alex to wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update
ACTION: Alex to wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update ←
15:18:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-354 - Wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-354 - Wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:18:44 <AxelPolleres> Andy: did Alex take into account august comments
Andy Seaborne: did Alex take into account august comments [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:18:47 <Zakim> +NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: +NicoM ←
15:18:54 <AxelPolleres> Alex: should be, except if I missed something.
Alexandre Passant: should be, except if I missed something. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:19:44 <AxelPolleres> Axel: would help if you add names to each item on the wiki
Axel Polleres: would help if you add names to each item on the wiki [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:20:04 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next one: protocol
Axel Polleres: next one: protocol ←
15:20:10 <AlexPassant> ... wiki page on the formal protocol issues
... wiki page on the formal protocol issues ←
15:20:18 <AlexPassant> LeeF: wiki page still accurate
Lee Feigenbaum: wiki page still accurate ←
15:20:24 <AlexPassant> ... greg trying to help the protocol document
... greg trying to help the protocol document ←
15:20:44 <AxelPolleres> Greg will help on protocol, lee tries to help... great!
Axel Polleres: Greg will help on protocol, lee tries to help... great! ←
15:20:51 <AlexPassant> ... different things we want to support based on the last protocol TC
... different things we want to support based on the last protocol TC ←
15:20:56 <AlexPassant> ... direct POSTing of SPARQL update queries
... direct POSTing of SPARQL update queries ←
15:21:05 <AlexPassant> ... form-encoding conventions
... form-encoding conventions ←
15:21:19 <AlexPassant> ... done some research on how to use WSDL
... done some research on how to use WSDL ←
15:21:45 <AlexPassant> ... got comments on email and twitter
... got comments on email and twitter ←
15:21:58 <AlexPassant> ... in favor of being a HTTP only protocol for SPARQL 1.1
... in favor of being a HTTP only protocol for SPARQL 1.1 ←
15:22:07 <AlexPassant> ... bindings to HTTP
... bindings to HTTP ←
15:22:20 <AlexPassant> ... anybody can go ahead with WSDL bindings
... anybody can go ahead with WSDL bindings ←
15:22:44 <AlexPassant> ... if protocol goes HTTP only, SOAP wont be a standard implementation
... if protocol goes HTTP only, SOAP wont be a standard implementation ←
15:22:52 <AlexPassant> ... need to decide if that's what the WG wants
... need to decide if that's what the WG wants ←
15:23:04 <AlexPassant> ... some additional degree of work on the protocol
... some additional degree of work on the protocol ←
15:23:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: we have that later on the agenda
Axel Polleres: we have that later on the agenda ←
15:23:23 <AlexPassant> ... but can discuss now
... but can discuss now ←
15:23:45 <AlexPassant> ... any open question
... any open question ←
15:23:50 <AlexPassant> .. or everyone fine for that solution
.. or everyone fine for that solution ←
15:24:02 <AlexPassant> ... drop WSDL in SPARQL protocol and got an HTTP only protocol
... drop WSDL in SPARQL protocol and got an HTTP only protocol ←
15:24:06 <LeeF> Proposal would be to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: Proposal would be to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol ←
15:24:26 <AlexPassant> s/.. or/... or/
s/.. or/... or/ ←
15:24:36 <AlexPassant> LeeF: anybody will be concerned about dropping it ?
Lee Feigenbaum: anybody will be concerned about dropping it ? ←
15:24:37 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol
PROPOSED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol ←
15:24:46 <chimezie> second
Chimezie Ogbuji: second ←
15:24:47 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:24:48 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:24:53 <AlexPassant> +1
+1 ←
15:24:54 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
15:25:15 <SteveH> +0.5
Steve Harris: +0.5 ←
15:25:21 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
15:26:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol
RESOLVED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol ←
15:26:11 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:26:30 <AxelPolleres> (no objections)
Axel Polleres: (no objections) ←
15:27:25 <AlexPassant> AndyS: JSON and protocol issues
Andy Seaborne: JSON and protocol issues ←
15:27:34 <SteveH> JSONP I think
Steve Harris: JSONP I think ←
15:27:36 <AlexPassant> LeeF: issue with cross-domain
Lee Feigenbaum: issue with cross-domain ←
15:27:43 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:27:53 <AndyS> ack AndyS
Andy Seaborne: ack AndyS ←
15:28:03 <AlexPassant> ... adding to the protocol page
... adding to the protocol page ←
15:28:22 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:28:42 <AlexPassant> kasei: would not pursue it
Gregory Williams: would not pursue it ←
15:28:47 <AlexPassant> ... and consider CORS
... and consider CORS ←
15:28:56 <SteveH> CORS is a while oof being widely available
Steve Harris: CORS is a while oof being widely available ←
15:29:07 <SteveH> *off
Steve Harris: *off ←
15:29:49 <SteveH> it's been around since FF3.5 / Safari 4
Steve Harris: it's been around since FF3.5 / Safari 4 ←
15:29:55 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: objections or support ?
Axel Polleres: objections or support ? ←
15:30:10 <Zakim> +??P52
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P52 ←
15:30:16 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P52 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P52 is me ←
15:30:16 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:30:18 <AlexPassant> http://enable-cors.org/
15:30:21 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:30:21 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:30:32 <AndyS> agree with SteveH -- CORS is done (std) but deployment rollout is the issue (browsers and servers)
Andy Seaborne: agree with SteveH -- CORS is done (std) but deployment rollout is the issue (browsers and servers) ←
15:30:44 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:30:55 <AlexPassant> sandro: no ise of the deployement timeframe
Sandro Hawke: no ise of the deployement timeframe ←
15:31:06 <AlexPassant> ... whether users and JS developers will be happy to use that
... whether users and JS developers will be happy to use that ←
15:31:18 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: leave that open for the moment
Axel Polleres: leave that open for the moment ←
15:31:26 <AlexPassant> ... not sure we can include in the protocol doc
... not sure we can include in the protocol doc ←
15:31:34 <AlexPassant> sandro: we could put it at risk and ask for comments
Sandro Hawke: we could put it at risk and ask for comments ←
15:31:47 <kasei> regarding "at risk", it's not in the doc right now, and I'm the only one who brought up the issue.
Gregory Williams: regarding "at risk", it's not in the doc right now, and I'm the only one who brought up the issue. ←
15:33:08 <AlexPassant> kasei: no one has brought the issue yet
Gregory Williams: no one has brought the issue yet ←
15:33:42 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers for protocol
Axel Polleres: reviewers for protocol ←
15:33:55 <LeeF> We need at least 2 reviewers.
Lee Feigenbaum: We need at least 2 reviewers. ←
15:33:57 <cbuilara> I can review
Carlos Buil Aranda: I can review ←
15:34:09 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS agreed
... AndyS agreed ←
15:34:19 <AlexPassant> ... cbuilara agreed
... cbuilara agreed ←
15:34:29 <AlexPassant> ... next document : service description
... next document : service description ←
15:34:48 <AlexPassant> kasei: most issues taken into account
Gregory Williams: most issues taken into account ←
15:34:52 <AlexPassant> ... few editorial issues remaining
... few editorial issues remaining ←
15:35:03 <AlexPassant> ... aligning links between service description and protocol document
... aligning links between service description and protocol document ←
15:35:46 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: closed to be reviewed
Axel Polleres: closed to be reviewed ←
15:35:58 <AlexPassant> ... LeeF volunteer. needs another one
... LeeF volunteer. needs another one ←
15:36:31 <NicoM> ok
Nico Michaelis: ok ←
15:36:47 <AlexPassant> ... NicoM agreed
... NicoM agreed ←
15:37:33 <AlexPassant> kasei: reviews could start soon
Gregory Williams: reviews could start soon ←
15:37:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to review SD documents for LC
ACTION: Lee to review SD documents for LC ←
15:37:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-355 - Review SD documents for LC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-355 - Review SD documents for LC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:37:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Nico to review SD documents for LC
ACTION: Nico to review SD documents for LC ←
15:37:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-356 - Review SD documents for LC [on Nico Michaelis - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-356 - Review SD documents for LC [on Nico Michaelis - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:38:13 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:38:14 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:38:19 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:38:19 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted ←
15:38:45 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0529.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0529.html ←
15:39:04 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:39:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, NickH, AndyS, NicoM, bglimm (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, NickH, AndyS, NicoM, bglimm (muted) ←
15:39:49 <AxelPolleres> Steve, Andy, SteveH agreed a solution
Axel Polleres: Steve, Andy, SteveH agreed a solution ←
15:40:02 <Zakim> +AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant ←
15:40:40 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/63
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/63 ←
15:41:09 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph ←
15:41:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: default graphs in update
Axel Polleres: default graphs in update ←
15:41:39 <AlexPassant> chimezie: query component with ?default
Chimezie Ogbuji: query component with ?default ←
15:41:44 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
15:41:50 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P30 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:41:50 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:41:50 <AlexPassant> ... understood that operation applies to the default graph context
... understood that operation applies to the default graph context ←
15:41:53 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:41:53 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm was already muted, bglimm ←
15:41:57 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:41:59 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:42:05 <kasei> q-
Gregory Williams: q- ←
15:42:12 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:42:15 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
15:42:35 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph ←
15:42:44 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-63
Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-63 ←
15:42:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol closed ←
15:42:57 <AndyS> zakim, who is speaking?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:43:05 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is speaking?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:43:08 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), bglimm.a (51%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), bglimm.a (51%) ←
15:43:18 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), AxelPolleres (19%), bglimm.a (57%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), AxelPolleres (19%), bglimm.a (57%) ←
15:43:18 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute bglimm.a
Axel Polleres: Zakim, mute bglimm.a ←
15:43:20 <Zakim> bglimm.a should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm.a should now be muted ←
15:43:23 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:43:23 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm was already muted, bglimm ←
15:43:32 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:43:36 <bglimm> I am now bglimm and bglimm.a :-(
Birte Glimm: I am now bglimm and bglimm.a :-( ←
15:43:38 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next one on the title of the document
Axel Polleres: next one on the title of the document ←
15:43:48 <AxelPolleres> Thoughts on Dave Beckett's comments re: name? (search for "uniform" in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Dec/0001.html)
Axel Polleres: Thoughts on Dave Beckett's comments re: name? (search for "uniform" in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Dec/0001.html) ←
15:43:53 <bglimm> Zakim, bglimm.a is bglimm
Birte Glimm: Zakim, bglimm.a is bglimm ←
15:43:53 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:43:54 <AlexPassant> ... based on Dave Beckett comment
... based on Dave Beckett comment ←
15:43:59 <AlexPassant> chimezie: David gave one
Chimezie Ogbuji: David gave one ←
15:44:03 <AlexPassant> ... agreed to make it shorter
... agreed to make it shorter ←
15:44:17 <AlexPassant> ... suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 RDF graph management protocol"
... suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 RDF graph management protocol" ←
15:44:24 <AndyS> The word "management" is also a bit odd to me. "management" does not associate with GET to me.
Andy Seaborne: The word "management" is also a bit odd to me. "management" does not associate with GET to me. ←
15:44:33 <LeeF> SPARQL 1.1 Basically RESTful But Maybe Not Strictly RESTful HTTP Protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: SPARQL 1.1 Basically RESTful But Maybe Not Strictly RESTful HTTP Protocol ←
15:44:36 <AlexPassant> ... concrete suggestion would be "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol for managing RDF (graphs)"
... concrete suggestion would be "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol for managing RDF (graphs)" ←
15:44:46 <AndyS> SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph protocol.
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph protocol. ←
15:45:10 <AlexPassant> SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol
SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol ←
15:45:42 <SteveH> PARQL 1.1 HTTP graph protocol
Steve Harris: PARQL 1.1 HTTP graph protocol ←
15:45:45 <LeeF> What about removing "SPARQL 1.1" from the name?
Lee Feigenbaum: What about removing "SPARQL 1.1" from the name? ←
15:45:49 <AxelPolleres> SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph management protocol
Axel Polleres: SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph management protocol ←
15:45:56 <chimezie> my suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Management Protocol"
Chimezie Ogbuji: my suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Management Protocol" ←
15:45:57 <AndyS> +1 to SteveH
Andy Seaborne: +1 to SteveH ←
15:45:57 <kasei> SteveH, haha
Gregory Williams: SteveH, haha ←
15:46:04 <SteveH> you don't need RESTful, and protocol
Steve Harris: you don't need RESTful, and protocol ←
15:46:39 <SteveH> ...but it's not clear without
Steve Harris: ...but it's not clear without ←
15:46:56 <AxelPolleres> RDF graph management protocol
Axel Polleres: RDF graph management protocol ←
15:47:20 <SteveH> SPARQL is kind of a brand
Steve Harris: SPARQL is kind of a brand ←
15:47:28 <SteveH> helps users know what to expect
Steve Harris: helps users know what to expect ←
15:47:48 <AndyS> And spec uses SPARQL Update for defn.
Andy Seaborne: And spec uses SPARQL Update for defn. ←
15:47:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC
ACTION: Chime to collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC ←
15:47:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-357 - Collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-357 - Collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:48:23 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call ←
15:48:32 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next document : entailement regime
Axel Polleres: next document : entailement regime ←
15:48:36 <AlexPassant> ... no issues recorded
... no issues recorded ←
15:48:41 <AxelPolleres> Birte?
Axel Polleres: Birte? ←
15:48:42 <bglimm> yes
Birte Glimm: yes ←
15:48:46 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:48:46 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:49:13 <AlexPassant> bglimm: document can be reviewed
Birte Glimm: document can be reviewed ←
15:49:25 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:49:25 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:49:27 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers for the HTTP protocol document
Axel Polleres: reviewers for the HTTP protocol document ←
15:49:49 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS already agreed
... AndyS already agreed ←
15:49:56 <NickH> I am a bit short of time
Nicholas Humfrey: I am a bit short of time ←
15:49:59 <NickH> but I will try
Nicholas Humfrey: but I will try ←
15:50:03 <SteveH> I can do it, probably
Steve Harris: I can do it, probably ←
15:50:06 <AlexPassant> ... NickH agreed
... NickH agreed ←
15:50:06 <AndyS> q+ to ask about when reviewing can start (all docs)
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask about when reviewing can start (all docs) ←
15:50:11 <AlexPassant> ... SteveH agreed
... SteveH agreed ←
15:50:34 <LeeF> when the editors say "go"
Lee Feigenbaum: when the editors say "go" ←
15:51:00 <AlexPassant> ... want to start reviews as soon as docs are ready
... want to start reviews as soon as docs are ready ←
15:51:37 <bglimm> Yes
Birte Glimm: Yes ←
15:52:13 <LeeF> I will ask Kendall.
Lee Feigenbaum: I will ask Kendall. ←
15:52:22 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:52:27 <AlexPassant> ... volunteer for entailement ?
... volunteer for entailement ? ←
15:52:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: leeF to ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc
ACTION: leeF to ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc ←
15:52:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-358 - Ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-358 - Ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:53:31 <MattPerry> I can ask around for another team member here at Oracle
Matthew Perry: I can ask around for another team member here at Oracle ←
15:53:45 <MattPerry> ok
Matthew Perry: ok ←
15:54:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matt to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc
ACTION: Matt to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc ←
15:54:02 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt ←
15:54:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matthew to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc
ACTION: Matthew to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc ←
15:54:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-359 - Find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-359 - Find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:57:12 <AxelPolleres> next document: federated query
Axel Polleres: next document: federated query ←
15:57:30 <AlexPassant> ... issues will be summarised by email
... issues will be summarised by email ←
15:57:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Carlos to summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail
ACTION: Carlos to summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail ←
15:57:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-360 - Summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-01-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-360 - Summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-01-18]. ←
15:58:59 <AlexPassant> kasei: put a call for comments and no response
Gregory Williams: put a call for comments and no response ←
15:59:02 <AlexPassant> ... so probably good
... so probably good ←
15:59:16 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewing should be eary
Axel Polleres: reviewing should be eary ←
16:00:06 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
16:00:36 <SteveH> bye
Steve Harris: bye ←
16:00:38 <AlexPassant> bye
bye ←
16:00:39 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
16:00:39 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
16:00:39 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
16:00:40 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
16:00:41 <cbuilara> bye
Carlos Buil Aranda: bye ←
16:00:42 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:00:43 <NicoM> bye
Nico Michaelis: bye ←
16:00:44 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
16:00:45 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
16:00:46 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
16:00:47 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
16:00:50 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:01:05 <AlexPassant> rrsagent, create minutes
rrsagent, create minutes ←
16:01:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-sparql-minutes.html AlexPassant
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-sparql-minutes.html AlexPassant ←
16:01:31 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
16:02:20 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
16:03:15 <SteveH> AndyS, where did you get application/ from? I don't see it anywhere in docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml
Steve Harris: AndyS, where did you get application/ from? I don't see it anywhere in docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml ←
16:03:23 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: can you remind me how I move the minutes to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_2011-01-11 ?
Axel Polleres: can you remind me how I move the minutes to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_2011-01-11 ? ←
16:03:29 <AxelPolleres> summary: as for reviews, all reviews should cover substantive issues, structure, and editorial issues
16:03:51 <AxelPolleres> Zakim , make records public
Axel Polleres: Zakim , make records public ←
16:04:12 <AxelPolleres> Alex, go to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/
Axel Polleres: Alex, go to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ ←
16:04:28 <AndyS> Ah - it's application/ in the results doc.
Andy Seaborne: Ah - it's application/ in the results doc. ←
16:04:31 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, it's in http-rdf-update
Steve Harris: AndyS, ah, it's in http-rdf-update ←
16:04:34 <AxelPolleres> ... control panel ... all quite self-explanatory
Axel Polleres: ... control panel ... all quite self-explanatory ←
16:04:42 <AxelPolleres> ... HTH
Axel Polleres: ... HTH ←
16:04:46 <AndyS> I don't mind much but I understood that text/ was hard to register.
Andy Seaborne: I don't mind much but I understood that text/ was hard to register. ←
16:05:00 <AxelPolleres> alex, ping me if trouble thanks for scribing
Axel Polleres: alex, ping me if trouble thanks for scribing ←
16:05:00 <SteveH> could be, not really my area
Steve Harris: could be, not really my area ←
16:05:03 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
16:05:15 <SteveH> but I was under the impression that text/ should be used for anything human readable
Steve Harris: but I was under the impression that text/ should be used for anything human readable ←
16:05:19 <SteveH> will mail the list
Steve Harris: will mail the list ←
16:05:43 <Zakim> -NicoM
Zakim IRC Bot: -NicoM ←
16:05:44 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
16:05:46 <Zakim> Attendees were bglimm, SteveH, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, kasei, +49.911.973.4.aaaa, NicoM, LeeF, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, AlexPassant, NickH, Phil
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bglimm, SteveH, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, kasei, +49.911.973.4.aaaa, NicoM, LeeF, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, AlexPassant, NickH, Phil ←
16:06:00 <AndyS> Minor - point of ref: It's "application/json" (formally)
Andy Seaborne: Minor - point of ref: It's "application/json" (formally) ←
16:06:08 <SteveH> AndyS, hm, it's application/sparql-results+xml, which would be correct
Steve Harris: AndyS, hm, it's application/sparql-results+xml, which would be correct ←
16:06:11 <kasei> doesn't text/ come with a close tie to being ascii? i didn't think text/ media types could default to utf encodings.
Gregory Williams: doesn't text/ come with a close tie to being ascii? i didn't think text/ media types could default to utf encodings. ←
16:06:24 <SteveH> text/turtle does
Steve Harris: text/turtle does ←
16:06:27 <AndyS> kasei, good point
Andy Seaborne: kasei, good point ←
16:06:33 <AndyS> text/turtle is not registered.
Andy Seaborne: text/turtle is not registered. ←
16:06:35 <kasei> i didn't think text/turtle was official
Gregory Williams: i didn't think text/turtle was official ←
16:06:39 <SteveH> not yet, no
Steve Harris: not yet, no ←
16:07:30 <AndyS> http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/text/
Andy Seaborne: http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/text/ ←
16:07:36 <SteveH> it's application/x-turtle, pending registration
Steve Harris: it's application/x-turtle, pending registration ←
16:07:57 <AndyS> That is nowadyas bad style. Hard to switch to non x- form.
Andy Seaborne: That is nowadyas bad style. Hard to switch to non x- form. ←
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