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17:47:58 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #owl 17:47:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc 17:48:04 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public 17:49:01 <clu> clu has joined #owl 17:52:03 <bijan> bijan has joined #owl 17:52:51 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started 17:52:58 <Zakim> +??P5 17:53:03 <bijan> zakim, ??p5 is me 17:53:03 <Zakim> +bijan; got it 17:55:40 <Achille> Achille has joined #owl 17:56:31 <Zakim> + +1.914.421.aaaa 17:56:54 <Achille> Zakim, + +1.914.421.aaaa is me 17:56:54 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.914.421.aaaa is me', Achille 17:57:17 <bijan> zakim, mute me 17:57:17 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 17:57:19 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Achille 17:57:20 <Zakim> +Achille; got it 17:57:26 <Zakim> +??P7 17:57:27 <bijan> Or a kid :) 17:57:30 <Achille> sorry 17:57:33 <bijan> No no! 17:57:36 <bijan> I like kids 17:57:39 <Achille> Zakim, mute me 17:57:39 <Zakim> Achille should now be muted 17:57:53 <Zakim> +Sandro 17:58:19 <bmotik> bmotik has joined #owl 17:58:27 <baojie> baojie has joined #owl 17:58:50 <Zakim> +??P2 17:58:53 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P2 is me 17:58:53 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it 17:58:55 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me 17:58:56 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted 17:59:49 <pfps> pfps has joined #owl 18:00:04 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider 18:00:19 <pfps> Scribe pfps 18:00:26 <MarkusK_> MarkusK_ has joined #owl 18:00:28 <Zakim> + +0494212186aabb 18:00:34 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc 18:00:35 <clu> zakim, aabb is me 18:00:36 <Zakim> +clu; got it 18:00:41 <clu> zakim, mute me 18:00:41 <Zakim> clu should now be muted 18:00:43 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie 18:00:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it 18:00:46 <Zakim> -??P7 18:01:13 <pfps> ScribeNick: pfps 18:01:15 <sandro> Christine calls in to give regrets, as there is suddenly no electricity where she is. 18:01:23 <Zakim> +??P7 18:01:26 <pfps> RRSAgent, make records public 18:01:35 <sandro> she asks us to postpone discussion of the UFD. 18:01:36 <pfps> Zakim, this will be owlwg 18:01:36 <Zakim> ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start now 18:01:38 <Zhe> Zhe has joined #owl 18:01:42 <msmith> msmith has joined #owl 18:02:08 <JeffP> JeffP has joined #owl 18:03:18 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone? 18:03:18 <Zakim> I notice SW_OWL()1:00PM has restarted 18:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd 18:03:41 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee 18:03:44 <uli> uli has joined #owl 18:03:52 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me 18:03:52 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it 18:03:58 <Zhe> zakim, mute me 18:04:01 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted 18:04:07 <pfps> topic: agenda amendments 18:04:14 <bcuencagrau> bcuencagrau has joined #owl 18:04:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (3 December) 18:04:22 <pfps> the minutes looked OK to me 18:04:39 <sandro> RESOLVED Accept Previous Minutes (3 December) 18:04:46 <pfps> topic: Action Item Status 18:04:53 <Zakim> +??P11 18:04:59 <uli> zakim, ??P11 is me 18:05:00 <bmotik> That has been done 18:05:03 <Zakim> +uli; got it 18:05:04 <sandro> action-251 done 18:05:05 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me 18:05:10 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted 18:05:11 <sandro> action-251? 18:05:11 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- Boris Motik to update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed -- due 2008-11-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW 18:05:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/251 18:05:28 <schneid> schneid has joined #owl 18:05:30 <uli> zkim, mute me 18:05:33 <pfps> I think that that one was done quite some time ago 18:05:35 <uli> zakim, mute me 18:05:35 <Zakim> uli should now be muted 18:05:43 <sandro> action-251 closed 18:05:43 <trackbot> ACTION-251 Update the spec to include rdf:XMLLiteral and fix the annotations as proposed closed 18:05:45 <pfps> sandro: any feedback needed 18:05:48 <pfps> boris: nope 18:05:50 <Zakim> + +0122427aaff 18:05:54 <sandro> action-254 closed 18:05:54 <trackbot> ACTION-254 Create missing grammars in the documents closed 18:05:57 <JeffP> zakim, aaff is me 18:05:57 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it 18:06:06 <sandro> action-256 closed 18:06:06 <trackbot> ACTION-256 Set up telecon time poll for rif/owl joint coordination one-time meeting closed 18:06:09 <Zakim> +??P14 18:06:19 <schneid> zakim, ??P14 is me 18:06:19 <Zakim> +schneid; got it 18:06:22 <schneid> zakim, mute me 18:06:22 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted 18:06:23 <bijan> Do we need to discuss it? 18:06:52 <pfps> RIF meeting discussion is later in the agenda 18:06:56 <sandro> action-257 closed 18:06:56 <trackbot> ACTION-257 Set up WBS poll for F2F times closed 18:07:12 <sandro> action-252? 18:07:12 <trackbot> ACTION-252 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to checking progress of XML Schema 1.1 and datetime datatype -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN 18:07:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/252 18:07:32 <pfps> pfps: I'm waiting for XML Schema WG to get back to us 18:07:41 <pfps> sandro: Any particular deadline 18:07:56 <pfps> pfps: The sooner the better, but we need it before end of Last Call 18:07:56 <sandro> action-250? 18:07:56 <trackbot> ACTION-250 -- Sandro Hawke to send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN 18:07:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/250 18:08:17 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Round_4#Publicity 18:08:36 <pfps> Topic: announcing last call 18:08:43 <pfps> sandro: some has been done 18:08:53 <bijan> http://clarkparsia.com/weblog/2008/12/03/owl-2-last-call-documents-published/ 18:08:57 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone? 18:08:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe (muted), uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted) 18:08:59 <pfps> sandro: do some announcement (and add to wiki page) 18:09:26 <pfps> sandro: going around the "room" 18:09:30 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me 18:09:30 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted 18:09:32 <pfps> sandro: bijan? 18:09:34 <bijan> I'm harrasing people 18:09:36 <uli> I checked and compared my 'candidates', but Ian had already done them 18:09:44 <Zakim> +??P15 18:09:45 <MarkusK_> I have put a small notice at semanticweb.org 18:09:47 <pfps> sandro: achille? 18:09:48 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P15 is me 18:09:48 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it 18:09:54 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me 18:09:54 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted 18:09:57 <pfps> pfps: same as uli 18:10:00 <Achille> i prefer typing 18:10:08 <Achille> my baby is unhappy 18:10:15 <MarkusK_> s /semanticweb.org/the main page of semanticweb.org/ 18:10:19 <bijan> HCLS list? 18:10:28 <bijan> Yes :( 18:10:30 <pfps> sandro: I owe a blog post about this 18:10:38 <Achille> I'll send note in ibm internal mailing lists 18:10:46 <pfps> sandro: bijan - please put up on HCLS 18:11:05 <bijan> Oh, we'll be doing internal review here 18:11:06 <pfps> pfps: same as uli - my suspects have been handled 18:11:07 <Achille> and in a talk i will give at Bolzen-Bolzano free university next week 18:11:22 <bijan> I.e., having people inside manchester review all the documents carefully 18:11:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me 18:11:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted 18:11:28 <pfps> sandro: please publicize 18:11:29 <Zhe> I have sent the notice to Oracle's internal list 18:11:38 <pfps> topic: F2F5 18:11:56 <pfps> sandro: no decision today (no Alan, no Ian) 18:12:09 <pfps> sandro: does anyone want to answer the poll? 18:12:16 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/41712/f2f5date/results 18:12:52 <pfps> sandro: results are close - lead is Mar 3-4 18:13:00 <pfps> sandro: probably chairs will decide 18:13:05 <pfps> topic: LC comments 18:13:11 <pfps> sandro: none yet 18:13:21 <pfps> sandro: Ian has a page for coordination 18:13:43 <pfps> sandro: if there are not too many comments we'll just use this wiki page 18:13:48 <msmith> q+ 18:13:48 <pfps> topic: test cases 18:13:54 <MarkusK_> q+ 18:13:58 <dlm> dlm has joined #owl 18:14:04 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue 18:14:18 <pfps> msmith: there are some test cases in proper format 18:14:41 <pfps> msmith: email asking for people to check them out was just sent 18:14:50 <pfps> msmith: could be approved next week 18:15:01 <MarkusK_> q+ to report on test case licensing issues 18:15:14 <pfps> msmith: results for Pellet and Hermit are included 18:15:29 <pfps> sandro: plan for gathering test results where others drive? 18:15:41 <pfps> msmith: still needs to be ironed out 18:16:00 <pfps> msmith: oracle has some suggestions 18:16:16 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aagg 18:16:27 <sandro> ack MarkusK_ 18:16:27 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to report on test case licensing issues 18:16:31 <pfps> sandro: Webont had a way of incorporating external results 18:16:35 <sandro> ack msmith 18:17:24 <pfps> markus: only issue is that publicly contributed test cases need a release to agree to W3C licensing stuff 18:17:36 <pfps> sandro: location of test repository? 18:17:53 <pfps> markus: not determined yet, but any place is OK (in W3C space) 18:18:03 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/test 18:18:14 <pfps> sandro: what about the above spot? 18:18:20 <pfps> markus: looks OK 18:18:41 <msmith> sounds good 18:18:42 <pfps> sandro: we can use CVS for upload 18:18:49 <bijan> What's the license on the suite? 18:18:57 <bijan> Can one create derived works? 18:19:19 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/ 18:19:31 <MarkusK_> q+ to answer bijan 18:19:32 <pfps> sandro: documentation at above link 18:19:51 <pfps> sandro: I need an SSH public key to set up access 18:19:56 <msmith> yes, I will email you an ssh key 18:20:08 <pfps> sandro: Markus and Mike to send PK 18:20:10 <sandro> ack MarkusK_ 18:20:10 <Zakim> MarkusK_, you wanted to answer bijan 18:20:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:20:29 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 18:20:31 <bijan> q+ 18:20:40 <pfps> markus: derived works are allowed for tests, we'll use a creative commons license 18:20:52 <MarkusK_> http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases.html 18:21:02 <sandro> ack bijan 18:21:04 <pfps> markus: W3C will control entire test suite 18:21:22 <pfps> bijan: OK, I was worried about the W3C document liclense, which would not have been suitable 18:21:32 <bijan> zakim, mute me 18:21:32 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 18:21:32 <MarkusK_> My current draft license conditions are: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/OWL_Test_Cases:Copyrights 18:21:41 <pfps> bijan: I want to use the test suite and modify it for other purposes 18:21:54 <pfps> topic: plans for non-LC documents 18:22:23 <bijan> a 3-clause BSD License for software development, bugtracking, and other applications that do not require assertions of performance to the public or implied claims of conformance to a W3C Specification. See summary of 3-clause BSD License. 18:22:23 <bijan> a W3C Test Suite License for an Authoritative W3C Test Suite or when claims of performance with respect to a specification are required. See summary of W3C Test Suite License. 18:22:26 <pfps> sandro: hard to make decision on REC-track today because no chairs 18:22:35 <pfps> sandro: status checks 18:22:42 <pfps> sandro: QRG? 18:23:06 <pfps> dlm: there are some things that still need to be done, and they will be done 18:23:08 <baojie> To do list: 18:23:08 <baojie> * Create inline hyperlinks to Syntax 18:23:08 <baojie> * Create hyperlinks to Direct Semantics and RDF-Based Semantics once the anchors in those documents are ready 18:23:08 <baojie> * Complete inline hyperlinks to Primer when the missing ones are ready 18:23:08 <baojie> * Create inline hyperlinks to New Features and Rationale 18:23:09 <baojie> * Make a new 2-page print version. 18:23:11 <baojie> * Design a similar guide for profiles with 1 page print version. 18:23:20 <pfps> dlm: need tags in other documents 18:23:28 <bijan> Nope 18:23:28 <pfps> sandro: go ahead and add tags 18:23:37 <bijan> We might derive tags from heading 18:23:39 <pfps> pfps: need to make *sure* no duplicates! 18:23:42 <bijan> q+ 18:23:52 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:23:52 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 18:23:54 <sandro> ack bijan 18:24:03 <pfps> pfps: can use W3C tools to check for dups 18:24:14 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call? 18:24:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted), 18:24:17 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg 18:24:23 <pfps> bijan: can this be done automatically? 18:24:46 <bmotik> q+ 18:24:51 <pfps> baojie: most links are there at least in Syntax and ??? 18:24:58 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me 18:24:58 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted 18:24:58 <sandro> ack bmotik 18:25:01 <pfps> baojie: semantics and ??? need more tags 18:25:14 <sandro> s/???/rdf-based semantics/ 18:25:36 <bijan> zakim, mute me 18:25:36 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 18:25:38 <pfps> bmotik: QRG doesn't reflect last set of changes (annotations) 18:25:43 <sandro> bmotik: annotation assertions don't seem to have made it into QRG 18:26:01 <pfps> baojie: which? 18:26:07 <sandro> q? 18:26:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me 18:26:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted 18:26:28 <pfps> baojie: will check and change as necessary 18:26:51 <sandro> action: baojie update QRG for annotation assertions 18:26:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie 18:26:55 <sandro> action: jie update QRG for annotation assertions 18:26:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Update QRG for annotation assertions [on Jie Bao - due 2008-12-17]. 18:27:09 <bmotik> q+ 18:27:36 <pfps> baojie: guide for profiles? 18:27:56 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me 18:27:56 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted 18:27:56 <sandro> ack baojie 18:28:14 <pfps> bmotik: what about reviewing? 18:28:22 <bijan> I'm generally against proliferation of documents at this stage 18:28:27 <pfps> sandro: was reviewed for FPWD, needs to be done for next publication 18:28:37 <pfps> bmotik: I'll review for next publication 18:28:48 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me 18:28:48 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted 18:28:54 <pfps> ACTION: bmotik review next version of QRG 18:28:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bmotik 18:29:07 <pfps> ACTION: motik review next version of QRG 18:29:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - Review next version of QRG [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-17]. 18:29:34 <pfps> sandro: next publication date for QRG 18:29:39 <bmotik> My user name is bmotik2. However, I'd prefer not taking an action now (because I can't work it off immediately). 18:29:44 <bijan> q+ 18:29:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:29:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 18:29:53 <pfps> sandro: probably wait until end of LC 18:30:23 <pfps> pfps: I'll adjust the action due date to Feb (if this is not OK, you could just kill the item) 18:30:23 <bmotik> We can add my name to the Review list, and then when we get to next publication date, I'll be happy to take the action 18:30:33 <pfps> pfps: OK that works 18:30:55 <bmotik> -q 18:31:17 <pfps> bijan: we can generate PDF using princeXML and get hyperlinks for "free" 18:31:25 <sandro> ack bijan 18:31:44 <pfps> bijan: next version of primer will be ready early Jan 2009 18:32:00 <pfps> bijan: a WD publication in Jan would be fine 18:32:08 <dlmcg1> dlmcg1 has joined #owl 18:32:23 <pfps> sandro: princeXML works great - W3C has a real license and can "push the button" 18:32:50 <pfps> dlm: HTML version is longer than 2 pages - we want PDF to be 2 pages 18:33:05 <pfps> bijan: why? I have CSS for the compact layout 18:33:09 <sandro> q? 18:33:31 <pfps> dlm: I haven't looked at this - let's check it out offline 18:33:40 <pfps> bijan: we can really make it work 18:33:55 <pfps> baojie: current document is longer so care is needed 18:34:20 <pfps> bijan: if content is the same then the 2-page PDF design can be generated automagically using CSS 18:34:33 <pfps> sandro: may require some "polishing" 18:34:49 <pfps> sandro: new features and rationale 18:34:54 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone? 18:34:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan, Achille (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, clu (muted), baojie, MarkusK_, msmith, Zhe, uli (muted), JeffP, schneid (muted), 18:34:57 <Zakim> ... bcuencagrau (muted), +1.518.276.aagg 18:35:00 <bijan> q+ 18:35:06 <pfps> sandro: Christine has had a power failure so she can't be here 18:35:08 <bmotik> I've added a note about my review of the Quick Reference to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing; I'm now waiting for chairs to "ping me" 18:35:14 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:35:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan 18:35:15 <sandro> zakim, aagg is dlm 18:35:16 <Zakim> +dlm; got it 18:35:45 <pfps> bijan: I gave feedback, including demo of appendix, but I have no feedback 18:35:57 <pfps> bijan: I think that there is some stuff that should be removed 18:36:08 <pfps> bijan: we should schedule some time for discussion 18:36:24 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer? 18:36:24 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 18:36:29 <bijan> zakim, mute me 18:36:29 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 18:36:47 <sandro> action: sandro make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 18:36:47 <pfps> zakim, who is talking? 18:36:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Make sure chairs know about document review/suggestion points at http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-owl-irc#T18-36-24 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-12-17]. 18:36:59 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (50%), dlm (39%) 18:37:06 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:37:06 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 18:37:40 <sandro> bijan: still planning to get Primer feature-complete over winter break 18:37:42 <pfps> bijan: primer will be upgraded by mid-Jan 18:38:40 <pfps> sandro: next publication? self-standing or with a bunch of other stuff 18:38:45 <pfps> bijan: arguments either way 18:39:03 <pfps> sandro: primer alone may entice attention and reviews 18:39:30 <pfps> bijan: reasonable publication time would be early Jan - to allow time before end of LC 18:39:36 <pfps> sandro: yes 18:39:41 <sandro> q? 18:39:41 <pfps> bijan: I'll give it a shot 18:39:48 <pfps> ack bijan 18:40:15 <pfps> sandro: should be able to line up a reviewer nowish - volunteers? 18:40:24 <uli> i would 18:40:26 <bmotik> I can do a review of the Primer. 18:40:36 <bmotik> q+ 18:40:38 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me 18:40:38 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted 18:40:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me 18:40:40 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 18:40:41 <sandro> ack bmotik 18:41:10 <uli> good point, Boris 18:41:21 <pfps> bmotik: IJCAI deadline is early Jan (12?) which knocks out 7-12 18:41:40 <uli> me too 18:41:52 <pfps> sandro: decision should be made on 7 Jan, so reviews need to be done by then 18:41:53 <uli> difficult for me 18:42:01 <pfps> bmotik: review before then would be acceptable 18:42:11 <uli> before christmas :( 18:42:21 <pfps> sandro: when does the primer need to be done? 18:42:26 <uli> oi 18:42:30 <pfps> bmotik: by 1 Jan 18:42:35 <bijan> Sure 18:42:40 <pfps> sandro: bijan - does that work? 18:42:42 <bijan> And I'll am for before xmas for uli 18:42:45 <bijan> aim 18:42:45 <pfps> bijan: sure 18:42:54 <sandro> proposed schedule: bijan done by Jan 1, Uli and Boris reviews by Jan 6, WG publication decision Jan 7. 18:43:01 <bmotik> +1 18:43:07 <uli> zakim, unmute me 18:43:07 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted 18:44:00 <pfps> uli: I will be moving so I can't promise a review 18:44:11 <sandro> Understanding the Boris will be travelling on Jan 7, and Uli will be moving and off-line until Jan 8. 18:44:16 <pfps> uli: by jan 7 (8th is OK) 18:44:27 <bijan> Could probably get a review from Matthew Horridge 18:44:39 <uli> yes 18:44:39 <bijan> Dunno 18:44:47 <pfps> pfps: Matthew is not in the WG 18:44:48 <uli> zakim, mute me 18:44:48 <Zakim> uli should now be muted 18:44:48 <bijan> He's author of a document 18:44:55 <bijan> We canmake hima member pretty easily 18:45:17 <uli> ok 18:45:18 <bijan> Or he can fake uli's email :) 18:45:37 <uli> me neither 18:45:40 <pfps> sandro: can we get Matthew to sign up for a review (and show up on the 7th) 18:46:02 <bijan> q+ 18:46:09 <pfps> sandro: repairs section? 18:46:10 <sandro> ack bijan 18:46:11 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:46:14 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan 18:46:34 <pfps> bijan: this was to add a section to primer on repairs 18:46:40 <bmotik> +1 to bijan 18:46:45 <pfps> bijan: I don't find this suitable for the primer 18:47:08 <pfps> bijan: primer is not dumping spot for things that don't fit elsewhere 18:47:25 <pfps> bijan: primer is not normative so putting repairs there doesn't gain anything 18:47:30 <pfps> bmotik: agree 18:47:46 <pfps> sandro: no one has argued for this 18:47:48 <sandro> no one arguing in favor of repairs in Primer 18:47:54 <sandro> (here, today.) 18:47:59 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-12-03#Open_items 18:48:08 <pfps> bmotik: Alan was pushing this 18:48:11 <bijan> Noep 18:48:23 <pfps> sandro: Manchester syntax? 18:49:00 <sandro> pfps: I believe MS is done, modulo any error reports we get 18:49:04 <pfps> pfps: I think that it is done, and consistent with current state of primary documents 18:49:16 <pfps> sandro: datarange extension 18:49:16 <bijan> Same schedule as before 18:49:21 <bijan> We plan for something by jan 18:49:22 <bijan> uyes 18:49:34 <bijan> Yes please 18:49:36 <pfps> sandro: publication timing? 18:49:47 <pfps> bijan: wait for next chunk of publications 18:49:48 <sandro> publication -- same time as next big round 18:50:12 <pfps> sandro: rec-track status - no decision, just discussion 18:50:24 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:50:24 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan 18:51:00 <baojie> +baojie 18:51:12 <pfps> bijan: I prefer notes, but will acceed to rec track, so long as everything has same status 18:51:27 <baojie> +q 18:51:29 <sandro> ack baojie 18:52:03 <dlmcg1> +q 18:52:12 <pfps> baojie: QRG, Primer, and ??? should be rec track 18:52:25 <sandro> ack dlmcg1 18:52:27 <pfps> sandro: let's only take note arguments 18:52:29 <pfps> q+ 18:52:34 <sandro> ack dlmcg1 18:52:44 <sandro> ack dlmcg1 18:52:46 <schneid> q+ 18:52:47 <sandro> ack dlmcg 18:52:50 <sandro> ack pfps 18:52:58 <pfps> pfps: I agree with Bijan 18:53:02 <sandro> pfps: I agree with Bijan in all his Revealed Glory 18:53:06 <Achille> +1 for rec trac as suggested by bijan 18:53:07 <sandro> pfps: I agree with Bijan in all His Revealed Glory 18:53:10 <uli> which are the ??? 18:53:14 <schneid> zakim, unmute me 18:53:14 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted 18:53:15 <sandro> ack schneid 18:53:19 <uli> just to ensure that we don't agree too soon 18:53:29 <sandro> schneid: I'd also prefer to have them all rec track. 18:53:36 <pfps> schneid: prefer rec track, but only slightly 18:53:46 <schneid> zakim, mute me 18:53:46 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted 18:53:52 <uli> q+ 18:54:10 <sandro> PROPOSED: QRG, NFR, and Primer are all Rec Track 18:54:14 <pfps> q+ 18:54:18 <sandro> ack uli 18:54:20 <pfps> q- 18:54:22 <bmotik> +1 18:54:22 <uli> zakim, unmute me 18:54:22 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli 18:54:47 <pfps> yes, I'll update the ???s 18:55:20 <uli> zakim, mute me 18:55:20 <Zakim> uli should now be muted 18:55:32 <pfps> s/???/NFR/ 18:55:39 <pfps> q+ 18:56:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 18:56:04 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan 18:56:39 <pfps> bijan: happy with just these three tied together 18:56:42 <sandro> PROPOSED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point. 18:56:47 <Achille> +1 18:56:49 <pfps> +1 18:56:54 <pfps> pfps: +1 18:56:58 <schneid> +1 18:56:59 <bmotik> +1 18:57:02 <pfps> pfps: 0 18:57:05 <msmith> 0 18:57:06 <Zhe> 0 18:57:06 <bcuencagrau> 0 18:57:07 <JeffP> 0 18:57:07 <bijan> +1 but thinks that people should not argue after someone has graciously conceded already! 18:57:07 <baojie> +1 18:57:10 <dlmcg1> +1 18:57:10 <MarkusK_> 0 18:57:18 <uli> +1 18:57:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: Quick Reference Guide, New Features and Rationale, Primer will all be Recommendation Track. Not making any decision on Manchester Syntax or Data Range Extension at this point. 18:57:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me 18:57:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted 18:58:02 <pfps> bijan: Manchester Syntax for next week 18:58:08 <pfps> topic: RIF coordination 18:58:10 <bijan> q+ 18:58:21 <pfps> sandro: meeting tomorrow (noon EST, 5pm GMT) 18:58:26 <pfps> pfps: I'll be there 18:58:40 <pfps> sandro: agenda was sent out 18:58:58 <pfps> bijan: need to worry about timing 18:59:12 <pfps> sandro: acknowledged 18:59:15 <JeffP> q+ 18:59:28 <pfps> sandro: coordination a while ago would have been better 18:59:54 <pfps> bijan: there may be other coordination issues besides RL datatypes 19:00:10 <pfps> bijan: I'll send out email 19:00:12 <sandro> ack pfps 19:00:14 <pfps> q- 19:00:18 <sandro> ack bijan 19:00:18 <bijan> ack bijan 19:00:20 <sandro> ack JeffP 19:00:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me 19:00:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 19:00:46 <pfps> jeff: similar issues - worry about scope of coordination 19:01:26 <pfps> sandro: scope had several influences 19:01:42 <bijan> Is rif planning a LC comment? 19:01:52 <pfps> sandro: RIF folks may have had larger concerns 19:02:20 <pfps> sandro: don't know about any LC comments - hopefully things can be figured out in advance 19:02:20 <sandro> q? 19:02:43 <pfps> topic: Features "at-risk" 19:03:17 <Zakim> +??P17 19:03:28 <pfps> pfps: My belief is that this is to remind us not to drop them. 19:03:31 <bmotik> No more issues, please! 19:03:45 <pfps> sandro: any comments? 19:03:54 <pfps> topic: any other business 19:03:59 <bmotik> Bye 19:04:01 <Zhe> thanks 19:04:01 <schneid> bye 19:04:02 <MarkusK_> bye 19:04:02 <Zakim> -msmith 19:04:03 <JeffP> thanks, bye 19:04:04 <uli> bye 19:04:06 <Zakim> -MarkusK_ 19:04:07 <Zakim> -JeffP 19:04:07 <msmith> msmith has left #owl 19:04:08 <Zakim> -bmotik 19:04:09 <Zakim> -Zhe 19:04:11 <Zakim> -bijan 19:04:15 <Zakim> -uli 19:04:16 <Zakim> -Achille 19:04:19 <Zakim> -schneid 19:04:30 <Zakim> -??P17 19:04:31 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau 19:04:40 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider 19:04:42 <Zakim> -Sandro 19:04:46 <Zakim> -baojie 19:04:57 <Zakim> -clu 19:05:06 <Zakim> -dlm 19:05:08 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended 19:05:09 <Zakim> Attendees were bijan, +1.914.421.aaaa, Achille, Sandro, bmotik, Peter_Patel-Schneider, +0494212186aabb, +1.518.276.aacc, clu, baojie, MarkusK_, +1.202.408.aadd, msmith, Zhe, uli, 19:05:11 <Zakim> ... +0122427aaff, JeffP, schneid, bcuencagrau, +1.518.276.aagg, dlm 19:05:27 <uli> uli has left #owl 19:06:41 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started 19:06:47 <Zakim> +??P0 19:06:56 <Zakim> -??P0 19:06:57 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended 19:06:57 <Zakim> Attendees were 20:27:21 <baojie> baojie has joined #owl 21:10:50 <Zakim> Zakim has left #owl # magic chatsync marker. 532 lines copied.