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EOWG

30 Nov 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Doyle, Justin, Shawn, Sylvia, Liam
Regrets
Judy, Wayne, Helle
Chair
Shawn
Scribe
Jack

Contents


 

 

<shawn> hi Jack. I just set everything up.

<shawn> scribe: Jack

Shawn: Review agenda

WAI-ARIA Overview

<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria-new.php

Shawn: Reviews main changes and would like comments on 1st paragraph

Liam: Reads well.

Lisa: Reads well. AJAX should be in all caps

<shawn> ACTION: Shawn, note in style guide Ajax vs. AJAX [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action01]

Liam: Does it define or describe?

Shawn: The word define is OK given that it prescribes

Alan joined

<shawn> ACTION: Liam, WAI-ARIA OVerview: get the image to show up in Firefox, and test on other browsers and platforms. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action02]

Shawn: still need to get it to work on Firefox and test on other brousers
... Took full name out of title
... Next steps is to send it to the protocols and formats working group and then post it, no annoucement, but they will have the current version

Update on EOWG and WAI work

November sent responses to comments for WCAG 2, opportunity for review, but need a quick turn around time

Shawn: busy agenda for next week, set aside time for reviewing during the week
... Reviews direction for ARIA,

<shawn> WCAG 2.0 update: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/wcag2faq#update1

Lisa: Provides details about changes

Shawn: The ARIA FAQ should match the schedule for when they publish at the start of the year
... overlap of Mobile Web Best Practices and accessibility

Alan: time frame for next update, probably Monday or Tuesday

<achuter> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/latest

MWBP-WCAG Relationship doc

<shawn> requirements: http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-mwbp-wcag

<shawn> latest version: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071125.html

Shawn: talks about taking information from introduction to separate document

justin: explains idea he has of breaking this is a technical document and pulling information to a separate document
... brief introduction, for more information, read 'this' with a link

Shawn: Justin how will you and Alan coordinate about the latest version

Alan: Talks about changes to document

Justing: I'll review current version and contact with Alan

Shawn: Will check with Mike Smith about posting latest versions that posts
... Reviews schedule will meet on December 7, 14 not sure about the 21st but probably

<achuter> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2007OctDec/0143.html

Shawn: Shares Alan's summary list of names

<shawn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2007OctDec/0148.html

Alan: Reviews lists of names and acronoyms

<shawn> summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2007OctDec/0143.html

<shawn> Lisa: Accessible Content for Mobile Experiences (ACME), WAMO Web Accessibility / Mobile Overlap

Lisa: Would pick ACME or WOMA

<shawn> Jack: MOBACC Mobile / Web Accessibility

Liam: all seem OK

<shawn> Justin: How Web Accessibility & Mobile Web Overlap

Justin: not sure if we need an acronomym, prefers title

Doyle: Agrees with Justin that we may not need acronym, use is troubling issue for many people, need something short

<Zakim> LiamMcGee, you wanted to suggest genius idea

Sylvia: Prefers short title,

<LiamMcGee> Suggest MObile Guidelines from WAi: MOGWAI.

<shawn> (Gremlins)

<LiamMcGee> Suggest that the word should be a pre-existing word.

Liam: Prefers title, if acronym is used perhas MOGWAI

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say "Acme" means generic and to suggest a subtitle

Shawn: may want a subtitle
... Other comments on document title or aconomyms
... Alan and Justin will take suggestions and discussion and come up with a suggestion

Alan: Asks question about any input about the need for a summary table

Shawn and Justin think it might be useful

shawn: wants list that goes from wcag to mobile web best practices and also going from the other side

<achuter> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2007Nov/0081.html

shawn and liam discuss list, how it would structured, length, content, whether it should be a separate document, how similiar the requirements from one to the other

WAI-ARIA FAQ

<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/ARIA/faq.html

Sharon: would like us to focus of 2, 3, and 11

Jack and Liam think 2 is OK.

Lisa: problem with the word 'devices'

Sharon: would 'object' work?

Lisa, Doyle, agree with word 'object'

<shawn> ACTION: Shawn, fix Nav for WAI-ARIA FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action03]

shawn: concerned about overlap with between overview and FAQ

<shawn> ACTION: Shawn & Sharon: WAI-ARIA FAQ: consider Page 1 and Page 2 for Overview & FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action04]

Shawn: gives specific suggestions for #2

discussion about question #3

shawn: include a pointer to a list
... a draft is available, it is not complete, some brousers are supporting it now; add a question about 'what should I being doing now as a developer?'
... fairly complete draft is availble and it stable

liam: how stable is it?

lisa: talks about what is stable and what is going to change

<LiamMcGee> Developers - yes, its stable, go implement it.

<LiamMcGee> AT makers - still some details being ironed out, come talk to us

<LiamMcGee> Browser makers - ditto

<LiamMcGee> Developers - you can implement right now. If you want a helping hand, we're scheduling 'XFORMS for Dummies' for February. Clcik here to be emailed when it's ready.

Sharon: wants to discuss #11

<shawn> ACTION: Shawn and Sharron: think about what what to say about docs as they exists versus documents that we're planning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action05]

Lisa: sends sharon an email with documents in the suite

<LiamMcGee> Unless you're really *good* at web developer, in which case you should be able to do it without handholding.

Sharon: general question - are there things that aren't here that should be included

groupd talks about question 5

Justin: take out the 1st sentence

Move # 5 up and as well as #6

Justin: Question 6 may need to change the question, point to primer
... how will WAI-ARIA affect my java scripts?

Liam: material good but the question needs to be changed

<Zakim> LiamMcGee, you wanted to suggest question: What new mark-up does WAI-ARIA offer developers?

Discussion about bulleted list

Liam: everything on list makes sense except last bullet 'a way to provide keyboard navigation for JavaScript widgets in HTML'

Lisa: will work to rewrite that one

Discussion with Laim and Lisa about key bindings related to last bullet

Liam: some questions answer the question clearly upfront and then elaborate. Great style, if it could used more with other questions, that would be great

<shawn> ACTION: Sharron: WAI-ARIA. Front load the answers. E.g., 4: start with something like: "There are no problems." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action06]

Liam: Single phrase answer and then expension

<shawn> ACTION: Sharron: FAQ answers: Short answer (bolded maybe), expansion, (and where to go for more info, where appropraite.)) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action07]

<LiamMcGee> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/primer

<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2003/template.html#after

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Liam, WAI-ARIA OVerview: get the image to show up in Firefox, and test on other browsers and platforms. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Sharron: FAQ answers: Short answer (bolded maybe), expansion, (and where to go for more info, where appropraite.)) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Sharron: WAI-ARIA. Front load the answers. E.g., 4: start with something like: "There are no problems." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Shawn & Sharon: WAI-ARIA FAQ: consider Page 1 and Page 2 for Overview & FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Shawn and Sharron: think about what what to say about docs as they exists versus documents that we're planning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Shawn, fix Nav for WAI-ARIA FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Shawn, note in style guide Ajax vs. AJAX [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action01]
 
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