IRC log of dawg on 2007-04-03

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14:23:57 [LeeF]

zakim, how are you feeling today?

14:23:57 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, LeeF.

14:24:04 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be DAWG

14:24:04 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

14:24:21 [LeeF]

Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly

14:24:24 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

14:24:26 [LeeF]

Scribe: EricP

14:24:27 [LeeF]

i think

14:24:49 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0000.html

14:25:01 [LeeF]

LeeF has changed the topic to: "RDF Data Access Working Group - Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/0000.html"

14:25:26 [LeeF]

Regrets: And

14:25:48 [jeen]

:)

14:28:38 [LeeF]

zakim, code?

14:28:38 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF

14:28:59 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started

14:29:06 [Zakim]

+ +1.201.447.aaaa

14:29:10 [LeeF]

zakim, aaaa is me

14:29:10 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

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14:33:11 [LeeF]

ericP, you around?

14:33:28 [Zakim]

+Orri_Erling

14:34:44 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:35:01 [Zakim]

+??P19

14:35:11 [SimonR]

Zakim, ??P19 is me

14:35:11 [Zakim]

+SimonR; got it

14:35:49 [LeeF]

jeen, souri, SteveH - will any of you be joining us today ?

14:35:56 [sdas2]

Is 617-761-6200 ext 7333 working?

14:36:07 [LeeF]

it worked for me... but it's been giving some people some trouble

14:36:09 [SimonR]

It is for me, at least.

14:36:14 [LeeF]

not urgent, thanks SteveH

14:36:31 [Zakim]

+Souri_Das

14:37:00 [jeen]

trying

14:37:41 [Zakim]

+??P20

14:37:50 [jeen]

zakim, ??P20 is me

14:37:50 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

14:38:09 [ericP]

regrets: AndyS (0-.5)

14:38:14 [LeeF]

minutes from two weeks ago: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/att-0194/20-dawg-minutes.html

14:38:29 [ericP]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/att-0194/20-dawg-minutes last meeting record

14:39:14 [EliasT]

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14:39:20 [ericP]

APPROVED (as true record of last meeting)

14:39:49 [Zakim]

+[IBMCambridge]

14:39:50 [ericP]

next meeting: 10 April, scribe: LeeF, regrets: jeen

14:39:59 [EliasT]

Zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:39:59 [Zakim]

+EliasT; got it

14:40:19 [LeeF]

ACTION: AndyS to incorporate and explain the notion of active graph in section 8 and/or wherever else appropriate [DONE}

14:40:30 [LeeF]

ACTION: Eric to incorporate text for REDUCED into rq25, including text noting that REDUCED does not play nicely with counting [DONE]

14:40:36 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP schedule teleconf for Friday [DONE]

14:40:45 [LeeF]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests

14:40:58 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF or EliasT to reply to Bjoern regarding (not) POSTing application/sparql-query documents [CONTINUES]

14:40:59 [ericP]

CONTINUED

14:41:58 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES]

14:42:12 [LeeF]

agenda + convene

14:42:14 [LeeF]

agenda + action items

14:42:18 [LeeF]

agenda + last call comments

14:42:21 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:42:21 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "last call comments" taken up [from LeeF]

14:42:34 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0188.html LeeF on comment handling

14:44:51 [Zakim]

+PatH

14:44:53 [ericP]

[LeeF summarizes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0188]

14:45:18 [ericP]

LeeF: we have comments from Olivier

14:45:22 [LeeF]

agenda + test suite

14:45:27 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 4

14:45:27 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "test suite" taken up [from LeeF]

14:45:41 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0080.html the tests in question

14:45:46 [ericP]

... AndyS made suggestions, and someone will respond to commentor

14:46:53 [ericP]

LeeF, any problems with any of these tests?

14:48:00 [ericP]

... happy with reports that implementations pass tests, or that folks believe to be correct by inspection

14:48:22 [LeeF]

PROPOSED approve tests in - http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/bnode-coreference/

14:48:22 [LeeF]

(1 test)

14:48:22 [LeeF]

- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/bound/

14:48:22 [LeeF]

(1 test)

14:48:23 [LeeF]

- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/optional/

14:48:25 [LeeF]

(3 tests)

14:48:27 [LeeF]

- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/expr-builtin/

14:48:29 [LeeF]

(17 tests)

14:48:45 [ericP]

2nd: ericP, jeen

14:49:12 [ericP]

RESOLVED, no objections or abstaintaintions

14:49:19 [LeeF]

ACTION: jeen to mark these 22 approved tests as approved

14:49:49 [LeeF]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0079.html ericp's syntax test

14:51:11 [patH]

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14:52:21 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to add tests along the lines of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0079.html to data-r2/syntax-sparql* and send mail so we can approve them next week

14:53:37 [LeeF]

agenda + What needs to be done on the test suite?

14:53:41 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 5

14:53:41 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "What needs to be done on the test suite?" taken up [from LeeF]

14:54:21 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README tests reeadme

14:54:28 [ericP]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0188 (bottom) LeeF on comments on test suites

14:55:07 [ericP]

LeeF: tests reeadme needs updates with manifest vocabulary changes

14:55:26 [patH]

Has everyone seen Jeremy Carroll's email to the RDF and OWL lists re. language tags? It looks relevant to us.

14:55:26 [ericP]

... does not mention that results can be in .rdf, .src, ttl

14:55:29 [patH]

se http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2007AprJun/0000

14:57:21 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies

14:57:37 [LeeF]

agenda + Jeremy Carroll and language tags

14:57:51 [sdas2]

Eric, .src stands for which format?

14:58:05 [LeeF]

.srx XML results format

14:58:06 [jeen]

that should be .srx

14:58:08 [sdas2]

ok

14:58:16 [LeeF]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ overview page

14:58:29 [ericP]

LeeF: we have an overview page for tests, how is it produced?

14:59:26 [sdas2]

zakim, sdas2 is souri

14:59:26 [Zakim]

sorry, sdas2, I do not recognize a party named 'sdas2'

15:01:12 [ericP]

ericP: uses 3store

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15:01:27 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/

15:01:41 [ericP]

... was installed on a machine in tokyo which was recently scavenged for parts

15:02:01 [ericP]

LeeF: least costly path to restore/reimplement?

15:02:14 [ericP]

ericP: probably restore, with SteveH's help

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15:02:36 [Zakim]

+??P33

15:02:39 [ericP]

LeeF: anyone who has time should check old tests and propose to move them to data2

15:02:44 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P33 is me

15:02:44 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

15:06:03 [LeeF]

ACTION: ericP to commit batch updates to out-of-date tests

15:06:22 [LeeF]

ACTION: after ericP commits batch updates to tests, jeen to go through and identify out-of-date tests that shouldn't be migrated to data-r2

15:07:29 [LeeF]

agenda ?

15:07:45 [LeeF]

zakim, take up agendum 6

15:07:45 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Jeremy Carroll and language tags" taken up [from LeeF]

15:08:26 [SimonR]

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4646.txt

15:08:29 [AndyS]

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4646.txt

15:08:33 [AndyS]

:-)

15:09:18 [LeeF]

-> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4647.txt matching of language tags

15:09:49 [ericP]

patH: JJC says "please use 4646 instead of 3066"

15:10:02 [ericP]

ericP: we use 4647

15:10:07 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#rfc4647 ref to 4647

15:10:54 [ericP]

AndyS: did ericP check for salient diffs in 4647?

15:11:00 [ericP]

ericP: i *think* so

15:11:29 [ericP]

agenda + status and CR

15:11:36 [ericP]

Zakim, take up agendum 7

15:11:36 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "status and CR" taken up [from ericP]

15:11:50 [ericP]

LeeF: we need to show "wide review"

15:12:22 [ericP]

... don't know if we can show "wide review" based on earlier comments

15:12:24 [Souri]

I am just curious, what is the max allowed length of a language-tag?

15:13:01 [EliasT]

Thanks DanC

15:13:07 [EliasT]

Gracias DanC

15:13:14 [ericP]

LeeF: big shout out to DanC for all his work

15:13:34 [ericP]

patH: we need to send him sincerest condolances for his new role

15:13:53 [SimonR]

Adjourned at 15:13Z

15:13:54 [Zakim]

-Orri_Erling

15:13:56 [Zakim]

-Souri_Das

15:13:58 [Zakim]

-PatH

15:14:05 [Zakim]

-EliasT

15:14:11 [Zakim]

-jeen

15:17:25 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:17:25 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-minutes.html ericP

15:17:36 [ericP]

RRSAgent, please make logs world-visible

15:21:57 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:22:00 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:22:01 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:22:03 [Zakim]

-SimonR

15:22:04 [Zakim]

SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended

15:22:06 [Zakim]

Attendees were +1.201.447.aaaa, LeeF, Orri_Erling, EricP, SimonR, Souri_Das, jeen, EliasT, PatH, AndyS

15:23:42 [LeeF]

ericP, can you take care of mailing these minutes out and also moving Elias's minutes from the mailing list to the proper URL?

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15:47:20 [AndyS]

rrsagent, show actions

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-actions.rdf :

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: AndyS to incorporate and explain the notion of active graph in section 8 and/or wherever else appropriate [DONE} [1]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-40-19

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Eric to incorporate text for REDUCED into rq25, including text noting that REDUCED does not play nicely with counting [DONE] [2]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-40-30

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP schedule teleconf for Friday [DONE] [3]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-40-36

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests [4]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-40-45

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF or EliasT to reply to Bjoern regarding (not) POSTing application/sparql-query documents [CONTINUES] [5]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-40-58

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: LeeF to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put [CONTINUES] [6]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-41-58

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jeen to mark these 22 approved tests as approved [7]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-49-19

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to add tests along the lines of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JanMar/0079.html to data-r2/syntax-sparql* and send mail so we can approve them next week [8]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-52-21

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP, jeen, or LeeF to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README with info on possible results format and on changes to manifest and test vocabularies [9]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T14-57-21

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [10]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T15-01-27

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ericP to commit batch updates to out-of-date tests [11]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T15-06-03

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: after ericP commits batch updates to tests, jeen to go through and identify out-of-date tests that shouldn't be migrated to data-r2 [12]

15:47:20 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-dawg-irc#T15-06-22

15:48:19 [LeeF]

yeah for an action happy telecon!

15:55:26 [AndyS]

rrsagent, thnak you

15:55:26 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'thnak you', AndyS. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:55:32 [AndyS]

rrsagent, thank you

15:55:32 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'thank you', AndyS. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:56:29 [AndyS]

LeeF: action stations!

15:57:58 [LeeF]

:-)