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EOWG

30 Mar 2007

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Attendees

Present
doyle, Bingham, Jack, Wayne_Dick, Judy, Loughborough, Shawn, Shadi, Alan, Justin
Regrets
[scribe, pull, from, EOWG, mailing, list]
Chair
Judy
Scribe
Wayne

Contents


 

 

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Handouts for conferences and such

http://www.w3.org/WAI/flyer/handout2007b.html

Shawn: Follow the link to the handout given above. Last week we looked at this. The content hasn’t changed, but the layout has changed. [This is a quick final check. Focus on how it is presented.]

William: Include Braille please.

Shawn: We will distribute at meetings. There is a separate version in Braille and a version that can be used for Braille.

Judy: This is a print ready document. It would be difficult for an organization to do the process for printing in Braille.

Shawn: Is it clear that you download and use them as is?

Judy: Somebody printing out our questions with different answers could potentially disastrous. So we should state the expectation of no change.

Shawn: There is not Q/A and we have no Logos.

Judy: There is key information.

Shawn: Noted there is a complication of wording [permission of use].

Judy: Should make the fact clear that these are handouts that you can print for conferences… print yourself.

William: The title gives the impression that this is WCAG 2.0.

Group Discussion: dissemination in Braille is a serious issue. We need to address this.

<judy> ACTION: consider tweaking H2 for WCAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action01]

<judy> ACTION: consider changing visual formatting of material at top [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action02]

<judy> ACTION: consider making material at top more explicit about what document is landed on [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action03]

<judy> ACTION: consider adding something saying that we don't distribute these [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action04]

Shawn: Include a note about these handout on the RSS; WAI IG mailing; WAI Hompage highlight;

WCAG 2.0 Update Messaging Draft

http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/wcag2faqDRAFT#update200703

related minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/03/16-eo-minutes#item04

Shawn: Think of this as a plugin into the existing WCAG FAQ. Is it clear. Can it cause misunderstanding. Will this make sence to [diffeent audiences].

William: There really needs to be some testimonials.

Judy: Does the update clarify the context of WCAG 2 process.
... From reading the update would you think you need to set aside time to review new. Would think we are blowing off feedback?

Justin: Should put a link to the actual 900 comments and their status.

Judy: Do you think we are addressing cognitive disability?

William: No. The last sentence needs to indicate nothing is really being done.

Shawn: This is not clear.

Judy: Does this indicate the language will be clearer.

Justin: I’ll believe it when I see it.

Judy: is there a clear way to say toning down the jargon?
... Does this give the impression that the new docment will be packaged better.

<judy> wayne: something like: "breaking up the documents to make it easier to find information"

Judy: When will WCAG 2 going to be done... Does this give the impression that there is a date that WCAG 2.0 is done.

<Zakim> shadi, you wanted to ask what we mean by WCAG 2, and to clarify that

Judy: This will give the impression to many that this will be done at one of the dates in this docment.

Justin: Is the July 2007 something we want to announce.

Shawn: We want people to not stop on this date.

Doyle: Do we want to give a date. Why not in 2007...

Shawn: People need advanced notice. That allows shorter review.

Sahdi: (possible tangent) We are talking only about the guidelines, not all the documents.

Shawn: It is talking about the package, not just the Guidline.

William: Do we want to use hope?...

Justin: Do we need to differentiate between the standard and the documents.

Judy: Drop out the verb..."The WG expects to make minor efforts and publish a working draft sholtly after..."
... Concerns about mentioning the expected months of the second working draft.

Shawn: [there is value in stating the expectation time of publication]. We don't want to give the impression that the actual draft will be out .
... [...the progression plans, expects and hopes gives a realistic description of what is expected.]

Judy: The term "hope" doesn't have a good place in this kind of update.
... Will this make sence to someone who hasn't paid addention to the process?

William: To the most

Judy: From reading the update would you think you need to set aside time to review new. Would think we are blowing off feedback?

Justin: Should put a link to the actual 900 comments and their status.

Judy: Do you think we are addressing cognitive disability?

William: No. The last sentence needs to indicate nothing is really being done.

Shawn: This is not clear.

Judy: Does this indicate the language will be clearer.

Justin: I’ll believe it when I see it.

William: This seems like vapor ware.
... [We should give some kind of aknowledgement of time spent and real progress]

<judy> wayne: the WG has done a lot of work; the stabilization draft may help a lot; should indicate that and not try to say much beyond that -- let it stand on its own.

WAI Home Page and RSS Highlights

http://www.w3.org/WAI/highlights/planning#wcag2u

http://www.w3.org/WAI/highlights/planning#process101

Shawn: The purpose of highlights is to catch intrest and encourage more reading.

Title brainstorms for the WCAG 2.0 status highlight are on the first link

Judy: Update of WCAG 2 Work is direct; What are the thoughts...

Jack: 800 Down 100 to Go catches your interest. Something that conves information with a positive spin is important.

William: Put these in the form of a question. "Why is this taking long"

Judy: Other questions are: "When will this be done?", "What happened to my comment". We could put a positive spin.

<judy> shawn: "sneak peak" --

Shawn: Go around the group and say what is on our heads.

<judy> jack: "coming soon"

<judy> william: "when"

<judy> harvey: "high hopes and expectations"

<judy> judy: "get your pens ready"

Group: "Comming soon", "When", "Hopes and Expectation", "get your pens ready"

<judy> shawn: "poised"

<judy> shawn: "countdown"

<judy> doyle: "edgy"

<judy> justin: "mission impossible"

<judy> judy: "mission possible"

group: edgy, middion impossible

mission possibile

<judy> wm: "another coming real soon"

Wcag is comming

Forshawowing WCAG 2

<judy> shawn: "foreshadowing wcag"

<shadi> [WCAG is coming reminds me of Santa Klaus is coming ;)]

you go WCAG

<judy> justin: "you've got wcag"

<judy> jack: "anticipation"

comming attractions

<judy> judy: "coming attractions"

beta testers wanted

WCAG Leaks

Shawn: Do we want to have 900 comments .... do we want to have a count.

Jack: The count indicates active work going on...

Judy: It is tricky; The comment processing is not linear; The remaining comments are big and difficult.
... May give the impression of a really bad document instead of indicating lots of public engagement.

<judy> jb: considered and incorporated proposed resolutions on...

Recieven and considered, incorproated, worked through...,

<shawn> shawn: "worked through" ?

Title "Developing WAI Guidelines...

No meeting Next Friday and another on the next...

<shawn> agenda: [scribe get link from EOWG mailing list]

<shawn> agenda: [scribe get link from EOWG mailing list -- get UPDATE version, please :]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: consider adding something saying that we don't distribute these [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: consider changing visual formatting of material at top [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: consider making material at top more explicit about what document is landed on [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: consider tweaking H2 for WCAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/30-eo-minutes.html#action01]
 
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