<shawn> zaki, who is here?

<shawn> scribe: Jack

<Wayne> New Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2006JulSep/0089.html

Slides for Components of Web Accessibility

Judy: This is part of what we discussed as a suite of slides. Hopefully many of these will be ready in the next few months.

Shawn: Reviews the slides. Discussess the approach WAI should use overall. Reviews other proposed titles.
... What approach do we want to use overall? What is the balance of words & text and pictures? How do we balance the need to have speaker notes and part of a presentation vs on-line learning?

Judy: Discusses on-line learning. Outreach can be facilitated by using them as on-line learning.
... We could make the material we have more accessible as on-line learning or walk-thru information.

Shawn: How many people will use them as presentations? Should we use them as PowerPoint?

William: If materials are used as on-line learning can we make them deeper.

Justin: Uses materials as follow-up from speaker presentation. Could we use java script to make something a long document for on-line learning and presentation. Refers to systeme he has seen.

Shawn: How many people would use these?

Doyle: Makes own slides

Justin: Are they editable?

<justin> S5 - http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

Shawn: Most people doing presentations would probably edit them.
... What tools do people use for presentations?

Jack: One of the most common tools used for presentation is MicroSoft PowerPoint.

Judy: Some of what we do on our site is train people but another thing we do is provide a suite of training materials.

Shawn: The incremental work to do both presentation and self-learning is minimal.

William: summarizes options

<Wayne> [Jack] The products: online set and online learing module are different productw

Shawn: Would an on-line slide set be useful?

Jack: can be useful

<shawn> Jack: only works if people can edit it. 1. let people put w3c stamp on it. 2. how common the tool is that people use to edit & present

Shawn: Should we use other tools such as PowerPoint

<shawn> a/PowerPoint/PowerPoint and OpenOffice

Shawn: people want to edit it

<justin> the markup for S5 - http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/structure-min.html

Justin: S5 might be an attractive option since it allows editing in things like Notepad

Liam: Might be sensible to have materials that would be useful as on-learning that could be given to various groups such as corporations

Judy: Would it be useful to clarify roles as developing content and then giving it to others for presentation

Shawn: Summary - look to providing a simple on-line self study option and then alternate versions that can be used for presentations

<Wayne> [overview summary] Define our roles:

<Wayne> Content Developer

<Wayne> Materials Developer

<Wayne> Materials:

<Wayne> Online Self Study – Simple

<Wayne> Formats that people can integrate into presentations

<Wayne> Options: Complete plug and play to completely editable

Jack: Suggests different priorities in how to put a different slant

Judy: Provide in PowerPoint in other open office formats. Also talk about what was done to make it accessible.

William: Wants a caveat about using PowerPoint and PDF

<shawn> Wayne: people use one tool, they need to be able to pull it into their tool

Wayne: Works with many people who have a variety of technical strengths.

Shawn: Lets look at document itself

<Wayne> Good Morning Jack, and later day shadi.

<shawn> http://www.w3.org/Talks/wai-components/all-extended.htm

Components slides

Doyle: graphics are blurry

Shawn: Result of being a draft

Wayne: Gave a similiar talk last month. Good material. Talks about some differences

William: 'Weak' is not clear

<Wayne> [Comment on User Skill Level] When components break the prerequisite user skill level increases quickly. Content authors have to become coders.

<Wayne> ACTION: (Change Log) Consider language line “When authoring tool support is weak” [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action01]

Shawn: Does this capture the important points from the document?

Wayne: yes

<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/components.php.html#depend "The Implementation Cycle"

Shawn: Are there concerns about not covering the implementation cycle in this version?

Sylvie: asks question about where some material is.

Shawns: reviews and answers question

William: Suggests that there is a gap

Shawn: Suggests more emphasis on authoring tools

<Wayne> ACTION: Consider the importance of authoring tools [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action02]

Shawn: How important is the support of weak browsers?

Wayne: Mention importance of authoring tool and browser support

Judy: Does it stand alone well? Is the level of the language appropriate?

Jack: What is in fact the level of expertise of the presenters?

<Wayne> ACTION: (Change Log) Edit for self study -- for example: the word "components". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action03]

Judy: Especially concerned about words such as 'components'

Shawn: Other comments?
... Let's look at Essential Components of Web Accessibility
... Review of each slide

Wayne: This bullet seems like a non sequiter users' knowledge, experiences, and in some cases, adaptive strategies using the Web

Liam: What is the point we are trying to get to?

Judy: In a slide set do we need to bridge more between what people already have in their mind versus what is presented.? Should the bullets be reordered?

Shawn: Clarifies last bullet's purpose

Shadi: wants to minimize the role of the user

Judy: what is the status of presenter notes?

Shawn: use the document as presenter notes. Other than that would be significant scope creep

Judy: Wants other people who have not been as vocal to comment

Harvey: Likes what he sees

Doyle: Thinks the content is clear

Sylvie: No comments yet

Helle: Ok for now

Justin: Good for now

Judy: some questions on the user components slide. Editor's discretion about changes.
... Let's discuss next slide - Content Developer Components

William: questions the word 'usually' in the following bullet Web content developers usually use authoring tools and evaluation tools to create Web content

Judy: may want to add examples
... Let's examine next slide - Example: Alternative Text

Shawn: Clarifies the text on top

Judy: How does the graphic work overall?

William: Does the balloon mean it would be spoken?

<shawn> ACTION: CHANGELOG note example slide might be broken up like above with text added to each. also note Jack's comment about missing/change Content image [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-eo-minutes.html#action04]

Jack: Perhaps that problem is that the example shifts from the existing content image of a little boy to 'web accessibility initiative logo'

Judy: summarizes overall the discussion

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