Edit comment LC-2025 for Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group

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Comment LC-2025

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Commenter: casays <casays@yahoo.com>

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeContent Transformation Guidelines 1.0 Abstract Status of this Document Table of Contents Appendices 1 Introduction (Non-Normative) 1.1 Purpose 1.2 Audience 1.3 Scope 1.4 Summary of Requirements 2 Terminology (Normative) 2.1 Types of Proxy "A transparent proxy is a proxy that does not modify the req... A non-transparent proxy is a proxy that modifies the request... 2.2 Types of Transformation Restructuring content is a process whereby the original layo... Recoding content is a process whereby the layout of the cont... Optimizing content includes removing redundant white space,... 3 Conformance (Normative) 3.1 Classes of Product 3.2 Normative and Informative Parts 3.3 Normative Language for Conformance Requirements 3.4 Content Deployment Conformance 3.5 Transformation Deployment Conformance 4 Behavior of Components (Normative) 4.1 Proxy Forwarding of Request 4.1.1 Applicable HTTP Methods 4.1.2 no-transform directive in Request 4.1.3 Treatment of Requesters that are not Web browsers 4.1.4 Serving Cached Responses 4.1.5 Alteration of HTTP Header Values In this section, the concept of "Web site" is used (rather t... 4.1.5.1 Content Tasting 4.1.5.2 Avoiding "Request Unacceptable" Responses 4.1.5.3 User Selection of Restructured Experience 4.1.5.4 Sequence of Requests 4.1.5.5 Original Headers 4.1.6 Additional HTTP Headers 4.1.6.1 Proxy Treatment of Via Header 4.2 Server Response to Proxy 4.2.1 Use of HTTP 406 Status 4.2.2 Server Origination of Cache-Control: no-transform Including a Cache-Control: no-transform directive can disrup... 4.2.3 Varying Representations 4.2.3.1 Use of Vary HTTP Header 4.2.3.2 Indication of Intended Presentation Media Type of Representation 4.3 Proxy Forwarding of Response to User Agent 4.3.1 Receipt of Cache-Control: no-transform 4.3.2 Receipt of Warning: 214 Transformation Applied 4.3.3 Server Rejection of HTTP Request 4.3.4 Receipt of Vary HTTP Header 4.3.5 Link to "handheld" Representation 4.3.6 Proxy Decision to Transform 4.3.6.1 Alteration of Response 4.3.6.2 HTTPS Link Re-writing 5 Testing (Normative) A References B Example Transformation Interactions (Non-Normative) B.1 Basic Content Tasting by Proxy B.2 Optimization based on Previous Server Interaction B.3 Optimization based on Previous Server Interaction, Server has Changed its Operation B.4 Server Response Indicating that this Representation is Intended for the Target Device B.5 Server Response Indicating that another Representation is Intended for the Target Device C Applicability to Transforming Solutions which are Out of Scope (Non-Normative) D Scope for Future Work (Non-Normative) D.1 POWDER D.2 link HTTP Header D.3 Sources of Device Information D.4 Inter Proxy Communication D.5 Amendment to and Refinement of HTTP E Administrative Arrangements (Non-Normative) F Acknowledgments (Non-Normative)
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Comment:

In general, I must state unequivocally that our experience with
current transformation proxies deployed throughout the world has
always been negative, since all proxies seem to transform original
mobile content regardless, with results ranging from passable to
outrageously unusable. The draft, while an interesting attempt to
bring some order in the wild practices that abound in the mobile Web,
is still vague and incomplete in several points, and thus, in its
present form, may not stem some of the more egregious forms of
transcoding we have witnessed so far.

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WG Notes: Was: ACTION-829 I collected different comments on quality and purpose of the document from the comment list. Summary of all comments: 1) What is the purpose of the document, it does not deliver much guidance 2) The document is quite vague 3) The structure might be difficult to understand 4) Some sentences are not easy to understand. (Comment LC-2068, LC-2012) What can be done: 1) Before starting, create a common understandin about targets 2) Be more specific (LC 2038) 3) Add use cases and User Experience 4) Detail the "heuristics" (LC-2069, LC-2073) 5) Define when and how to change the UA string (LC 2054 is a great explanation) 6) Maybe we sould ad some flow chart starting from content tasting, ending with the requests and responses See: http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-bpwg-minutes.html#item03

Resolution: We have attended to the main thrust of the comments here and the document reflects the commenters points more than it did at least

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