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Outreach updates

several updates sent to the list - inlcude pointers

Barry's update posed a question regarding policies and initiative outside the EU

scribe: requested EO members to complete the survey

Barry: UK Cabinet study regarding eGovt and Inlcusion/accessibility
... Study inlcude qualitative questionaire re policies and initiatives on web accessibility in eGovt
... expected to report in Sept 2005
... Q - would it be useful to have comparative info from outside the EU?
... study is under the auspices of EU-pan(??) - senior civil servants across the EU

<Harvey> Harvey here

Several members offereing to help

Judy: volunteers contact Barry directly
... outreach from Roberto for information

Lexicon

Judy: lexicon title, intro materials, content
... draft is out with W3C policy committee, but may still be able to change
... Alan was concerned about "beginners" and "Lexicon"
... open for comment

Alan: concern was "beginners" vs "translators" as target - seemed inconcruent

Henk: at the start, tried to avoid "glossary" to avoid confusion with other glossaries

Judy: thinks of 'glossary' & 'limited subset' - this is a starting point

Wayne: thinks 'beginners' is misleading

Judy: who objects to leaving the term 'beginners' in the title

a few people

Judy: who many would like to change from Lexicon to Glossary?

Many people

Judy: any objections?

Nil

Judy: What about 'basic' glossary?

PP: what about 'essential' glossary?

SLH: might detract from Essential Components

<shawn> Basic Glossary for WAI Documents

Judy: any objectsion to 'basic glossary ...'?

All: no objections

Judy: any objectsions to "Basic Glossary for WAI Documents"?

All: no objections

Alan: what about an article at the beginning, eg "a basic glossary ..."?

Judy: might confuse
... Henk - do you accept this new name?

Henk: yes - its ok

<scribe> ACTION: Henk - change log update to reflect name [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/03-eo-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: SLH - update in EO pages [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/03-eo-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: Judy - update the name with Communications Team [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/03-eo-minutes.html#action03]

Henk: will slightly affect the introduction - for discussion next week

Judy: any content that needs more review? (hope not)

Henk: first proposal had comparison of definitions - not now included in final version
... sourve not needed in basic glossary - would be confusing - just explain in intro that terms come from a variety of sources

HB: should be a list of term sources somewhere

Judy: Henk - should just include an indication that the terms are used in many docs, but not try and cross reference the docs

<shawn> axk me

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to briefly discuss format - perhaps DL

SLH: suggesting a DL for the entries

Andrew: agrees - this is an obvious use of DL; Also please add some spacing between entries

site redesign updates

SLH: design not ready for public circulation yet - just for today's discussion
... logo design for comment via personal email to EO members

xakim, who is making noise?

SLH: different concepts for redesigns - to be refined further
... trying to convey movement; also need with/without words
... lets go through each concept group and gather reactions

Ron: likes 1b with movement and gradients - seems to meet requirements

Andrew: concurs with Ron

Jack: dots convey movement, but seems kinda busy

Henk: like 1a & 1b - convey what we want

HB: likes it

JT: for 1e - would be better in Web Accessibility stood out more that 'initiative'

<pasquale> I like 1b

Wayne: 'a' should be emphasised more than 'i' - its about accessibility

SLH: what about swirly concepts?

Wayne: line renders letters invisible

Andrew: line detracts from letetrs

Judy: seems like the letters are crossed out

SLH: what about 'gradient' based designs

All: generally like it - especially 3a

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say pronounciation as "why" is partly due to screen reader

Wayne: can we get the words better in 3a? without contrast issues of 3c

Judy: if did try to add words to 3a - could it go underneath?

SLH: what about "@" designs?

All: no much going for it

SLH: what about 'circles' variation - based losely on '@' design

PP: 5b is best of all - clear, simple, shows motion

<pasquale> 5d non 5b

Wayne: 5c shows motion going nowhere

Henk: like 5a & 5b as an alternative to other good designs for futher possible development

Jack: like 5a best out of this series

Andrew: likes 5b out of this group

Henk: no letter should carry more emphahsis that others

SLH: which do EO like best from 1a, 1b, 3a?

All: generally people voted for 3a - the gradient style

SLH: any closing comments?

Judy: some people liked 5b - can we bring it up and check?

All: preference was still with 3a

SLH: thanks to Michael Duffy for volunteering time with designs

Judy: any other Redesign issues for discussion?

SLH: Highlights/Planning propsoed change - http://www.w3.org/WAI/highlights/planning
... summarised notes proposing change

SLH ... see section "Notes for Discussion of Proposal Above"

SLH: ... see section "Notes for Discussion of Proposal Above"
... planning to inlcude/allow RSS feeds
... see drfat Home Page - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ut3/
... info in centre column is in large text - formating still in state of flus, so please don't comment of style, just content

All: lots of discussion of presention and content of lists

Andrew: I wiold like to see some non-guideline documents listed as these are more relevent to some vistors
... the list could conclude with "more documents ..."

possible face-to-face meeting in Australia in December 2005

SLH: thanks to those who have already filled out the form

<shawn> correct

Judy: you will need to use the web-based form (with your previous account details) - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/WAI_EOWG_F2F_S05/
... intend to use web0based form more for group feedback in future

call for scribes

SLH: Carol has left the group for now; Libby is on hold; Andrew is back on the list

Judy: having more scribes available shares the load

Jack: I volunteer, but will need assistance to set up

<scribe> ACTION: SLH to set Jack up for scribing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/03-eo-minutes.html#action04]

Judy: if you have any questions, please contact Shawn

next meeting

Judy: next friday, and 17th and 24th June

<pasquale> hi all, have a good week end

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