IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-10-13
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- rrsagent, make logs world-visible
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- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started
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- +??P6
- 13:58:54 [ben]
- agenda + Mapping Guidelines, Techniques, Tests
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- agenda + Continue checklist discussion
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- agenda + Table markup discussion from IG list
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- agenda?
- 14:00:03 [Zakim]
- +??P8
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- +Alex_Li
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- +??P10
- 14:00:21 [ben]
- zakim, ??P10 is Ben
- 14:00:21 [Zakim]
- +Ben; got it
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- zakim, I am Ben
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- ok, ben, I now associate you with Ben
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- zakim, who is here?
- 14:00:39 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P6, ??P8, Alex_Li, Ben
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- On IRC I see ChrisR, David_MacDonald, RRSAgent, Zakim, ben, sh1mmer
- 14:00:58 [ben]
- zakim, ??P6 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- zakim, ??P8 is Chris_Ridpath
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- +Chris_Ridpath; got it
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- +Tim_Boland
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- next agendum
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- mapping techniques to tests - http://tile-cridpath.atrc.utoronto.ca/acheck/servlet/ShowWcag
- 14:08:56 [ben]
- many holes
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- cr - assumption: all SC require techniques and all techniques require test files
- 14:09:58 [ben]
- is it possible to have techniques for all success criterion?
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- tb - no techniques for any technology or a specific technology? There should be ways for an author to demonstrate conformance with each SC
- 14:11:34 [ben]
- we may not need to cover 100% of the sc with HTML technqiues
- 14:12:21 [ben]
- identify some SC that don't require html techniques
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- ex. 2.5 sc 2 (user error)
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- ...may be covered in client-side and/or server-side techniques
- 14:19:13 [ben]
- checks/tests are not yet complete and may not be correct
- 14:20:01 [ben]
- dm - are we saying that every success criterion would have a technique in some technology?
- 14:21:29 [ben]
- yes
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- how to fill in the gaps?
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- many techniques that have no mapping to success criterion yet
- 14:25:55 [ben]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/10/8-sc-techniques-mapping.html
- 14:28:24 [ben]
- dm - how do end to ends relate to existing mapping?
- 14:29:47 [ben]
- end to ends needed for 4.1, 4.2, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3
- 14:31:05 [ben]
- action: Ben send links to early 1.1 and 1.3 mappings to David
- 14:31:14 [David_MacDonald]
- http://www.eramp.com/david/end_to_end/index.htm
- 14:32:47 [ben]
- action: david to work on end to ends for 4.1 and 4.2
- 14:34:26 [Zakim]
- -Tim_Boland
- 14:38:14 [ben]
- next agendum
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- http://w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/10/06-checklist-discussion.html
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- +Tom
- 14:42:12 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, I am Tom
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- ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom
- 14:43:51 [sh1mmer]
- Sorry I am late, had a prolonged meeting with my tutor
- 14:47:40 [ben]
- mapping issues in checklists - many techniques map to level 1 SC, but may not be something we want to require for level A conformance
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- chicken and egg problem with user agents where support for reccs. in spec does not yet exist
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- should be - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20041008/Overview.html#ssim_textlinks
- 14:57:06 [David_MacDonald]
- we love you wendy yeahhhh!!!!!!!!
- 14:57:19 [wendy]
- tee hee. thx david
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- -Alex_Li
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- HTML 14.4 - lower priority? issue with whether we are supporting text-based browsers
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- 12.5 - lower level? issue with these techniques being supported, but can we require somethig at level A that doesn't work today?
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- how to put presser on UA and AT groups to support specs?
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- will authors be put off by us asking them to implement coding practices for conformance that don't work today?
- 15:16:05 [ben]
- what (formal) channels do we have to work with UA and AT vendors on UAAG conformance?
- 15:16:46 [Zakim]
- -Chris_Ridpath
- 15:21:09 [ben]
- tc- guidelines goal is to define what is accessible - techniques can provide workarounds for UA, but shouldn't do things to discourage AT or UA from moving toward suport for spec
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- bc - checklist could change over time - be adjusted to meet current climate of authoring and UA/AT support
- 15:27:30 [ben]
- what to do when a technique tells an author to do something that is not supported? reduce priority? label as future/optional?
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- need to come up with a strategy for addressing this type of issue
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- -Tom
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- -Becky_Gibson
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- -David_MacDonald
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- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Alex_Li, Ben, David_MacDonald, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Becky_Gibson, Tom
- 15:35:53 [ben]
- rrsagent, bye
- 15:35:53 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items:
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- ACTION: Ben send links to early 1.1 and 1.3 mappings to David [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/13-wai-wcag-irc#T14-31-05
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- ACTION: david to work on end to ends for 4.1 and 4.2 [2]
- 15:35:53 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/13-wai-wcag-irc#T14-32-47