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13:56:27 <ben> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
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13:58:24 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started
13:58:31 <Zakim> +??P6
13:58:54 <ben> agenda + Mapping Guidelines, Techniques, Tests
13:59:08 <ben> agenda + Continue checklist discussion
13:59:19 <ben> agenda + Table markup discussion from IG list
13:59:21 <ben> agenda?
14:00:03 <Zakim> +??P8
14:00:06 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
14:00:12 <Zakim> +??P10
14:00:21 <ben> zakim, ??P10 is Ben
14:00:21 <Zakim> +Ben; got it
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14:00:31 <ben> zakim, I am Ben
14:00:31 <Zakim> ok, ben, I now associate you with Ben
14:00:39 <ben> zakim, who is here?
14:00:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, ??P8, Alex_Li, Ben
14:00:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisR, David_MacDonald, RRSAgent, Zakim, ben, sh1mmer
14:00:58 <ben> zakim, ??P6 is David_MacDonald
14:00:58 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
14:01:45 <ben> zakim, ??P8 is Chris_Ridpath
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Chris_Ridpath; got it
14:03:04 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
14:04:12 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
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14:05:31 <ben> next agendum
14:08:53 <ben> mapping techniques to tests - http://tile-cridpath.atrc.utoronto.ca/acheck/servlet/ShowWcag
14:08:56 <ben> many holes
14:09:21 <ben> cr - assumption: all SC require techniques and all techniques require test files
14:09:58 <ben> is it possible to have techniques for all success criterion?
14:10:37 <ben> tb - no techniques for any technology or a specific technology? There should be ways for an author to demonstrate conformance with each SC
14:11:34 <ben> we may not need to cover 100% of the sc with HTML technqiues
14:12:21 <ben> identify some SC that don't require html techniques
14:12:56 <ben> ex. 2.5 sc 2 (user error)
14:14:11 <ben> ...may be covered in client-side and/or server-side techniques
14:19:13 <ben> checks/tests are not yet complete and may not be correct
14:20:01 <ben> dm - are we saying that every success criterion would have a technique in some technology?
14:21:29 <ben> yes
14:23:13 <ben> how to fill in the gaps?
14:23:25 <ben> many techniques that have no mapping to success criterion yet
14:25:55 <ben> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/10/8-sc-techniques-mapping.html
14:28:24 <ben> dm - how do end to ends relate to existing mapping?
14:29:47 <ben> end to ends needed for 4.1, 4.2, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3
14:31:05 <ben> action: Ben send links to early 1.1 and 1.3 mappings to David
14:31:14 <David_MacDonald> http://www.eramp.com/david/end_to_end/index.htm
14:32:47 <ben> action: david to work on end to ends for 4.1 and 4.2
14:34:26 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
14:38:14 <ben> next agendum
14:38:18 <ben> http://w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/10/06-checklist-discussion.html
14:42:03 <Zakim> +Tom
14:42:12 <sh1mmer> Zakim, I am Tom
14:42:12 <Zakim> ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom
14:43:51 <sh1mmer> Sorry I am late, had a prolonged meeting with my tutor
14:47:40 <ben> mapping issues in checklists - many techniques map to level 1 SC, but may not be something we want to require for level A conformance
14:52:23 <ben> chicken and egg problem with user agents where support for reccs. in spec does not yet exist
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14:56:19 <ben> should be - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20041008/Overview.html#ssim_textlinks
14:57:06 <David_MacDonald> we love you wendy yeahhhh!!!!!!!!
14:57:19 <wendy> tee hee. thx david
15:02:46 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
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15:05:12 <ben> HTML 14.4 - lower priority? issue with whether we are supporting text-based browsers
15:10:59 <ben> 12.5 - lower level? issue with these techniques being supported, but can we require somethig at level A that doesn't work today?
15:12:01 <ben> how to put presser on UA and AT groups to support specs?
15:12:52 <ben> will authors be put off by us asking them to implement coding practices for conformance that don't work today?
15:16:05 <ben> what (formal) channels do we have to work with UA and AT vendors on UAAG conformance?
15:16:46 <Zakim> -Chris_Ridpath
15:21:09 <ben> tc- guidelines goal is to define what is accessible - techniques can provide workarounds for UA, but shouldn't do things to discourage AT or UA from moving toward suport for spec
15:23:19 <ben> bc - checklist could change over time - be adjusted to meet current climate of authoring and UA/AT support
15:27:30 <ben> what to do when a technique tells an author to do something that is not supported? reduce priority? label as future/optional?
15:34:53 <ben> need to come up with a strategy for addressing this type of issue
15:35:35 <Zakim> -Tom
15:35:36 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
15:35:37 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:35:38 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
15:35:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Alex_Li, Ben, David_MacDonald, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Becky_Gibson, Tom
15:35:53 <ben> rrsagent, bye
15:35:53 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items:
15:35:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben send links to early 1.1 and 1.3 mappings to David [1]
15:35:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/13-wai-wcag-irc#T14-31-05
15:35:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: david to work on end to ends for 4.1 and 4.2 [2]
15:35:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/13-wai-wcag-irc#T14-32-47