IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-07-07

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14:01:41 [Zakim]

+??P8

14:01:44 [cookiecrook]

zakim, I am James_Craig

14:01:44 [Zakim]

ok, cookiecrook, I now associate you with James_Craig

14:01:58 [bcaldwell]

zakim, ??P8 is David

14:01:58 [Zakim]

+David; got it

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+Michael_Cooper

14:02:41 [MichaelC]

zakim, I am Michael_Cooper

14:02:41 [Zakim]

ok, MichaelC, I now associate you with Michael_Cooper

14:05:35 [bcaldwell]

Chair: Michael_Cooper

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Meeting: WCAG Techniques - July 7, 2004

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Scribe: Ben

14:08:34 [Zakim]

+??P17

14:08:37 [bcaldwell]

Topic: Checklists - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/07/checklist-notes.html

14:08:51 [bcaldwell]

zakim, ??P17 is Lisa_Seeman

14:08:51 [Zakim]

+Lisa_Seeman; got it

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+Don_Evans

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14:25:56 [bcaldwell]

what level of detail should be present in checklists?

14:33:44 [MichaelC]

Scribe: MichaelC

14:33:55 [MichaelC]

oChecklists as T/F statements?

14:34:02 [MichaelC]

oChecklists as T/F statements?

14:34:04 [MichaelC]

oLevel of detail that Chris has? And various levels of detail

14:34:05 [MichaelC]

oChecklists for different technologies independent? All together?

14:34:07 [MichaelC]

oOnline (potentially dynamic) tool? Printable?

14:34:08 [MichaelC]

oComplexity like a tax form, therefore interactive version more useful, but also need a print version

14:34:10 [MichaelC]

oMachine readable tests

14:34:11 [MichaelC]

oNeed a textual checklist item, then a machine readable version based on that very useful

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14:36:28 [cookiecrook]

q+ to ask about general, tech-agnostic list

14:36:51 [MichaelC]

ack James

14:36:51 [Zakim]

James_Craig, you wanted to ask about general, tech-agnostic list

14:39:44 [bcaldwell]

seperate checklists - start with general, move to tech-specific?

14:46:30 [bcaldwell]

what level of detail to include?

14:46:43 [bcaldwell]

maybe the practical list of what you have to do?

14:51:02 [bcaldwell]

agreed that practical details need to be included somewhere, but not clear exactly where it belongs (checklists? techniques? test suite?)

14:51:45 [Zakim]

-Lisa_Seeman

14:53:45 [bcaldwell]

is goal of techniques "this is how you should do something" or "this is one of many ways you could do something"?

14:57:59 [bcaldwell]

what is relationship between # of checklist items and # of techniques?

15:07:53 [cookiecrook]

Should I give feedback on Chris' list of testable items here or email Ben and Chris later?

15:12:41 [bcaldwell]

action: Chris, Michael, Ben and Jenae to work on proposal for how test cases relate to techniques and checklists

15:13:26 [bcaldwell]

action: Ben - continue work on checklist prototyping (w/ help from Chris and Michael)

15:16:31 [bcaldwell]

in general, we should be looking at sufficient/required techniques (info to include with end to ends)

15:19:44 [bcaldwell]

action: becky and david to coordinate and continue work on end to ends

15:28:57 [bcaldwell]

end to ends

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what's missing?

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what's unclear?

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is level of detail appropriate?

15:30:01 [bcaldwell]

BRB

15:33:46 [MichaelC]

review of 1.4: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/att-0818/End_to_End_Guildline_1.4.htm

15:44:42 [bcaldwell]

action: David and Ben to work on harvesting issues from end to ends into bugzilla

15:47:24 [bcaldwell]

action: everyone - review end to ends

15:48:34 [bcaldwell]

next meeting: look at latest CSS and HTML techniques drafts

15:49:57 [Zakim]

-Becky_Gibson

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-Don_Evans

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-Ben

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-Michael_Cooper

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-David

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-Chris_Ridpath

15:50:02 [Zakim]

-James_Craig

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WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were James_Craig, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Ben, David, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, Don_Evans

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15:50:11 [bcaldwell]

rrsagent, make logs world-visible

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 5 open action items:

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ACTION: Chris, Michael, Ben and Jenae to work on proposal for how test cases relate to techniques and checklists [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-12-41

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ACTION: Ben - continue work on checklist prototyping (w/ help from Chris and Michael) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-13-26

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ACTION: becky and david to coordinate and continue work on end to ends [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-19-44

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ACTION: David and Ben to work on harvesting issues from end to ends into bugzilla [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-44-42

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ACTION: everyone - review end to ends [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-47-24