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14:01:41 <Zakim> +??P8
14:01:44 <cookiecrook> zakim, I am James_Craig
14:01:44 <Zakim> ok, cookiecrook, I now associate you with James_Craig
14:01:58 <bcaldwell> zakim, ??P8 is David
14:01:58 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:02:31 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
14:02:41 <MichaelC> zakim, I am Michael_Cooper
14:02:41 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC, I now associate you with Michael_Cooper
14:05:35 <bcaldwell> Chair: Michael_Cooper
14:06:00 <bcaldwell> Meeting: WCAG Techniques - July 7, 2004
14:08:00 <bcaldwell> Scribe: Ben
14:08:34 <Zakim> +??P17
14:08:37 <bcaldwell> Topic: Checklists - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/07/checklist-notes.html
14:08:51 <bcaldwell> zakim, ??P17 is Lisa_Seeman
14:08:51 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
14:17:09 <Zakim> +Don_Evans
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14:25:56 <bcaldwell> what level of detail should be present in checklists?
14:33:44 <MichaelC> Scribe: MichaelC
14:33:55 <MichaelC> o	Checklists as T/F statements?
14:34:02 <MichaelC> o	Checklists as T/F statements?
14:34:04 <MichaelC> o	Level of detail that Chris has? And various levels of detail
14:34:05 <MichaelC> o	Checklists for different technologies independent? All together?
14:34:07 <MichaelC> o	Online (potentially dynamic) tool? Printable?
14:34:08 <MichaelC> o	Complexity like a tax form, therefore interactive version more useful, but also need a print version
14:34:10 <MichaelC> o	Machine readable tests
14:34:11 <MichaelC> o	Need a textual checklist item, then a machine readable version based on that very useful
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14:36:28 <cookiecrook> q+ to ask about general, tech-agnostic list 
14:36:51 <MichaelC> ack James
14:36:51 <Zakim> James_Craig, you wanted to ask about general, tech-agnostic list 
14:39:44 <bcaldwell> seperate checklists - start with general, move to tech-specific?
14:46:30 <bcaldwell> what level of detail to include?
14:46:43 <bcaldwell> maybe the practical list of what you have to do?
14:51:02 <bcaldwell> agreed that practical details need to be included somewhere, but not clear exactly where it belongs (checklists? techniques? test suite?)
14:51:45 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
14:53:45 <bcaldwell> is goal of techniques "this is how you should do something" or "this is one of many ways you could do something"?
14:57:59 <bcaldwell> what is relationship between # of checklist items and # of techniques?
15:07:53 <cookiecrook> Should I give feedback on Chris' list of testable items here or email Ben and Chris later?
15:12:41 <bcaldwell> action: Chris,  Michael, Ben and Jenae to work on proposal for how test cases relate to techniques and checklists
15:13:26 <bcaldwell> action: Ben - continue work on checklist prototyping (w/ help from Chris and Michael)
15:16:31 <bcaldwell> in general, we should be looking at sufficient/required techniques (info to include with end to ends)
15:19:44 <bcaldwell> action: becky and david to coordinate and continue work on end to ends
15:28:57 <bcaldwell> end to ends
15:29:02 <bcaldwell> what's missing?
15:29:05 <bcaldwell> what's unclear?
15:29:19 <bcaldwell> is level of detail appropriate?
15:30:01 <bcaldwell> BRB
15:33:46 <MichaelC> review of 1.4: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004AprJun/att-0818/End_to_End_Guildline_1.4.htm
15:44:42 <bcaldwell> action: David and Ben to work on harvesting issues from end to ends into bugzilla
15:47:24 <bcaldwell> action: everyone - review end to ends
15:48:34 <bcaldwell> next meeting: look at latest CSS and HTML techniques drafts
15:49:57 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
15:49:59 <Zakim> -Don_Evans
15:50:00 <Zakim> -Ben
15:50:00 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:50:01 <Zakim> -David
15:50:01 <Zakim> -Chris_Ridpath
15:50:02 <Zakim> -James_Craig
15:50:03 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
15:50:04 <Zakim> Attendees were James_Craig, Chris_Ridpath, Becky_Gibson, Ben, David, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, Don_Evans
15:50:07 <ChrisR> ChrisR has left #wai-wcag
15:50:11 <bcaldwell> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
15:50:25 <bcaldwell> rrsagent, bye
15:50:25 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items:
15:50:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris,  Michael, Ben and Jenae to work on proposal for how test cases relate to techniques and checklists [1]
15:50:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-12-41
15:50:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben - continue work on checklist prototyping (w/ help from Chris and Michael) [2]
15:50:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-13-26
15:50:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: becky and david to coordinate and continue work on end to ends [3]
15:50:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-19-44
15:50:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David and Ben to work on harvesting issues from end to ends into bugzilla [4]
15:50:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-44-42
15:50:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everyone - review end to ends [5]
15:50:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/07/07-wai-wcag-irc#T15-47-24