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<trackbot> Date: 21 November 2006
<scribe> Scribe: pauld
no objections to approving minutes from the 14th
pauld: please review, I think editing is mostly complete
george: is there anything missing?
yves: moritorium starts tomorrow
... can publish if we have it in time
pauld: quite a few editorial
changes, highlight patterns in orange, more narative text and
hightlight elements and attributes matched in the
... may have overstepped the mark with ISSUE-96 and the ElementElementSequence pattern: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/patterns/6/09/SequenceSequenceElement/
george: we can remove it if there is a problem with tools
pauld: or we could remove it now, we don't have good coverage only what we're interested in as a small WG
george: wasn't my intention for ISSUE-96, but it's OK to include it under that issue
pauld: let's go with this pattern
... please read the spec and flag editorial nits asap
vlad: what happens if we have more patterns
pauld: if you want them as basic submit them as LC comments
vlad: advanced should be OK
pauld: end of LC on the 5th?
yves: 12th seems better
pauld: OK 12th it is
<vladB> +1 to Yves
pauld: review, thinking of asking XMLSchema WG
pauld: we need the test suite page for them
yves: for basic they're important, it's a heads-up
pauld: WS-I Basic Profile, and
... CG call later, can fix it there
pauld: OK to publish our first public WD of advanced?... short link for advanced spec?
pauld: let's publish to coincide with our LCWD of Basic.
george: we're ok if it doesn't follow import and include
pauld: might be interesting to have the detector highlight imports and includes as links
george: how long before we have a validation service?
yves: we have a mechnism to run servlets
pauld: we need to make sure it doesn't blow up on unknowns
<scribe> ACTION: gcowe to develop W3C detection service with help from Yves [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-databinding-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Develop W3C detection service with help from Yves [on George Cowe - due 2006-11-28].
pauld: been collecting schemas
from the wild , will publish a report asap
... test suite, we have Python ZSI on the matrix
yves: i've been working on the test client, going to have to go through an XSLT path, still in progress
pauld: do you need more metadata in the examples.xml?
yves: will need help for
... probably just do simple XML equality, then add manual tests as needed
pauld: possible to schema
validate the responses?
... vlad, can you consider adding your own implementation to our testsuite
pauld: we could go for 100%
coverage of XML Schema 1.0, but we'll be here a long time
... maybe my farming of schemas to drive patterns
george: sounds like a sensible approach, look for how people are writing schemas
pauld: how will we know when we're done?
yves: when as a WG we agre we're done
pauld: maybe a time driven
... or hopefully we'll get lots from LC comments
... how can we get people to submit their schemas to look for patterns
... worries about missing schemas which are not public, or freely available (hidden inside Zip or msi files behind a ULA)
george: maybe we should ask for contributions
pauld: how do we find vertical organisations?
george: that's the problem
yves: problem is people have schemas which don't work with tools?
pauld: yes, and we can be unaware
... we need to call for implementations *and* schemas to drive Advanced
vlad: can try to contribute schemas generated by our implementation
pauld: do SAP have other Schemas and WSDLs we can add to our list
<vladB> i have to find out
pauld: schema filetype:xsd
site:w3.org in google is great!
... so it sounds like our bar is a pattern has to be demonstated to be in use in the wild