Databinding WG Teleconference

21 Nov 2006


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Vladislav Bezrukov (SAP AG)
George Cowe (Origo Services Limited)
Paul Downey (BT)
Yves Lafon (W3C)




<trackbot> Date: 21 November 2006

<scribe> Scribe: pauld


no objections to approving minutes from the 14th

Status of our Last Call WD

pauld: please review, I think editing is mostly complete

george: is there anything missing?

yves: moritorium starts tomorrow night
... can publish if we have it in time


pauld: quite a few editorial changes, highlight patterns in orange, more narative text and hightlight elements and attributes matched in the examples
... may have overstepped the mark with ISSUE-96 and the ElementElementSequence pattern: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/patterns/6/09/SequenceSequenceElement/

george: we can remove it if there is a problem with tools

pauld: or we could remove it now, we don't have good coverage only what we're interested in as a small WG

george: wasn't my intention for ISSUE-96, but it's OK to include it under that issue

pauld: let's go with this pattern included
... please read the spec and flag editorial nits asap

vlad: what happens if we have more patterns

pauld: if you want them as basic submit them as LC comments

vlad: advanced should be OK

pauld: end of LC on the 5th?

yves: 12th seems better

pauld: OK 12th it is

<vladB> +1 to Yves

pauld: review, thinking of asking XMLSchema WG

yves: soapbuilders

pauld: we need the test suite page for them

yves: for basic they're important, it's a heads-up

pauld: WS-I Basic Profile, and WSDL WG
... CG call later, can fix it there

Publication of First Public WD of Advanced

pauld: OK to publish our first public WD of advanced?

... short link for advanced spec?

we have http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-patterns/


pauld: let's publish to coincide with our LCWD of Basic.

Test Suite and Detection

george: we're ok if it doesn't follow import and include

pauld: might be interesting to have the detector highlight imports and includes as links

george: how long before we have a validation service?

yves: we have a mechnism to run servlets

pauld: we need to make sure it doesn't blow up on unknowns

<scribe> ACTION: gcowe to develop W3C detection service with help from Yves [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-databinding-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Develop W3C detection service with help from Yves [on George Cowe - due 2006-11-28].

pauld: been collecting schemas from the wild , will publish a report asap
... test suite, we have Python ZSI on the matrix

yves: i've been working on the test client, going to have to go through an XSLT path, still in progress

pauld: do you need more metadata in the examples.xml?

yves: will need help for float
... probably just do simple XML equality, then add manual tests as needed

pauld: possible to schema validate the responses?
... vlad, can you consider adding your own implementation to our testsuite

ISSUE-65: Why would a pattern NOT be included in our Advanced document?

pauld: we could go for 100% coverage of XML Schema 1.0, but we'll be here a long time
... maybe my farming of schemas to drive patterns

george: sounds like a sensible approach, look for how people are writing schemas

pauld: how will we know when we're done?

yves: when as a WG we agre we're done

pauld: maybe a time driven process?
... or hopefully we'll get lots from LC comments
... how can we get people to submit their schemas to look for patterns
... worries about missing schemas which are not public, or freely available (hidden inside Zip or msi files behind a ULA)

george: maybe we should ask for contributions

pauld: how do we find vertical organisations?

george: that's the problem

yves: problem is people have schemas which don't work with tools?

pauld: yes, and we can be unaware of them
... we need to call for implementations *and* schemas to drive Advanced

vlad: can try to contribute schemas generated by our implementation

pauld: do SAP have other Schemas and WSDLs we can add to our list

<vladB> i have to find out

pauld: schema filetype:xsd site:w3.org in google is great!
... so it sounds like our bar is a pattern has to be demonstated to be in use in the wild

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: gcowe to develop W3C detection service with help from Yves [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-databinding-minutes.html#action01]
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