See also: IRC log
Present: Abbie Barbir, Asaf Arking, Chris Ferris, Colleen Evans, Daniel Austin, David Booth, Doug Bunting, Eric Newcomer, Frank McCabe, Geoff Arnold, Hugo Haas, Igor Sedukhin, Mario Jeckle, Martin Chapman, Mike Champion, Mike Mahan, Roger Cutler, Sandeep Kumar, Sinisa Zimek, Shishir Garg, Tom Carrol, Ugo Corda, Yin-leng Husband
Regrets: Dave Hollander, Dave Orchard, Don Mullen, Heather Kreger, Jeff Mishinsky, Katia Sycara, Mark Jones, Mike Brumbelow, Scott Vorthmann, Suresh Damodaran, Zulah Eckert
Chair: Mike Champion
Scribe: Mario Jeckle
Minutes of 2003-003-27 1. Confirm scribe. Mario is scribe. 2. Approve last week's minutes: Approved with the change requested by Paul Cotton. 3. Action Item Hugo: It is not clear what the relationship isbetween WS-Policy activity and the Features and Properties work that is happening in the PNF task force. Action Item: Summary WS-Policy spec to the list (pending) Doug: Attended OASIS's WS-Reliability TC meeting. Those attending there seemed not interested in attending our group. 4. Definition of "synchronous" and "asynchronous" No consensus right now on the definitions discusses up to now. Chris: Anne's version is to vague. In Chris' proposal there seems to be a conflation of architecture and implementation. Discussion: Does "synchronous" imply a direct connection between sender and receiver? Roger: Use of synchronous-asynchronous in the current documents is consistent with request-response. Hugo: Web Services are more than just RPC alike request-responses ... Arkin: request-response is synchronous, due to the chronological coupling. : RPC is not identical to request-response. Decision: Chris and Jeff are collaborating to draft a formulation. Prasad: Message correlation should also be taken in account. Currently, also a precise definition of MEP is missing. 5. WSA Document status and publication Eric: XMLification the current documents finished. But not converted to XML-Spec format. Ownership of different parts should be split in order to enable parallel work. qDocuments aren't checked into CVS, yet. Mike: Doc should be published asap. David: Spec generation from XML-Spec format is working. Will check in the documents. 6. Allocating our individual and collective effort to pushing the WSA document forward. Eric's proposal seems to be some kind of document-centric, w.t.t. to the approach of describing the "big picture" as an architecture of documents. Geoff: Hard to describe semantics without reference to the execution model. Daniel: It's merely a description of how XML is used in contrast of a document centric approach. Mike: How do we break up the document itself? David: Will take responsibility for the introductory overview first part of the document. Frank: Will own concepts and relationships. Daniel: Will volunteers to work on MEPs and reliability. Heather: will continue to own the management stuff. Abbie: Will own security stuff. Mark and Eric: Will work on Description and Choreography Mike M.: Will work on security use cases on privacy 7. Process improvement suggestions Roger: Suggesting a closure mechanism. Possibility to use unanimous votes. David: Pull the discussion offline to improve our efficiency. Pull things offline into a task force or sth. like that if they are in danger of becoming a permathread. Mike: More use of IRC. Some people have problems accessing IRC. Even keeping the travel situation in mind the WG decided to get more and more people to IRC. 8. Status of WS / Semantic IG? Interest in discussing the intersection of WS and SW technology areas. Hugo: Has action to help to organize communication. IG will be created in the very near future.