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- 11:30 [RRSAgent]
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- 11:30 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/23-topicmaprdf-irc session log
- 11:31 [emiller_]
- :)
- 11:32 [DanC]
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- 11:33 [DanC]
- eric, do: /op DanC
- 11:33 [Ralph]
- Present: EricM, MichelB, RalphS
- 11:34 [Ralph]
- +DanC
- 11:34 [Ralph]
- +STeveN
- 11:34 [DanC]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/23-topicmaprdf-irc previous 23 Oct meeting
- 11:34 [DanC]
- emiller: propose to keep this meeting "short and sweet"
- 11:35 [DanC]
- SteveN reports...
- 11:35 [hawkeye]
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- 11:35 [hawkeye]
- # Appears as XENO.
- 11:35 [DanC]
- ... Sam H. Murray A. [?], SteveN, the 4 editors, have put together a draft xtm syntax proposal...
- 11:36 [Ralph]
- +EricF
- 11:36 [Guest1683]
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- 11:36 [DanC]
- ... we're confident it'll work for RDF interchange.
- 11:36 [DanC]
- EricM: online yet? pointer?
- 11:36 [DanC]
- SteveN: not yet... Murray A has the action to put it online.
- 11:37 [DanC]
- er... Guest1683... is that you, Michel? SteveN?
- 11:38 [Guest1683]
- It looks that it's me (michel)
- 11:38 [DanC]
- try: /nick Michel
- 11:38 [Michel]
- Hi
- 11:38 [DanC]
- SteveN: this draft is a report to the AG, the Authoring Group; it's up to them to decide.
- 11:39 [DanC]
- EricM: do you expect this to be discussed at next week's Dallas meeting? would you like www-rdf-interest feedback before then?
- 11:39 [DanC]
- Steven: yes, we expect it to be discussed in Dallas...
- 11:40 [DanC]
- ... our objective is to release *something*. RDF-happiness is a goal, but it's not a critical requirement for this go-round.
- 11:40 [DanC]
- ... so don't expect this draft to be completely rdf-happy.
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- 11:43 [DanC]
- [unscribed stuff...]
- 11:43 [emiller_]
- Michel: Design goals: simple syntax of explicit description... first step on unification of RDF... but more work clearly is needed
- 11:44 [DanC]
- SteveN: ... v. happy about a brickley message to xtm-wg re DOM properties vs. topicmap properties, which makes topicmaps look like RDF, again.
- 11:44 [DanC]
- ... [some meeting; where/when?]
- 11:45 [DanC]
- "the common enemy is ignorance" -- SteveN
- 11:46 [DanC]
- Ralph: it is remarkable that many of the topicmap modelling issues are very familiar from RDF development.
- 11:47 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2000/11/06-topicmaprdf-irc log of this session
- 11:49 [emiller_]
- danbri's message to the XTM list: http://www.egroups.com/message/xtm-wg/811
- 11:49 [Ralph]
- Steve: current DOM APIs can't easily be used for topicmap problem; different paradigms.
- 11:49 [DanC]
- DanC: how big of a tweak would one need to use DOM APIs to traverse topicmap properties... interesting to ponder.
- 11:50 [Ralph]
- Ralph: we're certainly very interested in investigating what can be done to make DOM more graph friendly
- 11:50 [emiller_]
- DanC: XML Query Wg may be the bridge between DOM and a more graph general approach
- 11:51 [Ralph]
- Steve: node classes emerge from processing topicmap documents that are not present in the syntax
- 11:53 [Ralph]
- DanC: it would be nice to leverage user's XSLT knowledge if possible
- 11:53 [Ralph]
- Steve: I feel pretty confident that it's too hard to do this with DOM as it is now
- 11:54 [Ralph]
- DanC: but how small are the changes?
- 11:54 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2000/10/atrip/rdfnorm.xsl
- 11:54 [DanC]
- rdfnorm.xsl -- some hacking on how to view graphs from XSLT/DOM
- 11:54 [Ralph]
- Ralph: it's been on my agenda for a long time to look at what changes might be proposed for DOM to support graphs
- 11:55 [Ralph]
- Steve: there's huge interest in this; I'm getting a sense of inevitability
- 11:55 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2000/10/atrip/Makefile
- 11:56 [Ralph]
- Michel: we need a facility to set 'defaults' when something is not present in the syntax
- 11:56 [Ralph]
- ... we are resolving things as we process them
- 11:57 [Ralph]
- DanC: incorporating new data while processing is the critical difference between SQL and RDF
- 11:58 [DanC]
- ACTION emiller: schedule the next meeting, to debrief from Dallas.
- 11:58 [Ralph]
- my calendar doesn't open up until the 2nd week of December
- 11:58 [DanC]
- Swick: I'm in a crunch today, and it doesn't get much better 'till 2nd week of December; 11Dec.
- 11:59 [DanC]
- who will be at XML 2000?
- 11:59 [Ralph]
- I expect to attend XML 2000
- 11:59 [Michel]
- Me too
- 11:59 [DanC]
- A: Michel, SteveN, EricF, RalphS
- 12:00 [DanC]
- DanC, emiller: hope, but not so strong as "expect"
- 12:00 [DanC]
- EricF: ftf at xml 2000?
- 12:00 [DanC]
- maybe.
- 12:01 [DanC]
- SteveN: if Ralph will be there, perhaps he could stand up and say "we're talking..."
- 12:01 [DanC]
- RalphS: I think I could do that.
- 12:01 [DanC]
- ... when?
- 12:01 [DanC]
- SteveN: XTM day is Monday.
- 12:01 [Ralph]
- Monday: "xtm day"
- 12:02 [DanC]
- ACTION SteveN: send email update after the [Dallas] meeting.
- 12:04 [DanC]
- ACTION SteveN: send [to participants of this call, scribe infers] pointer to XTM syntax draft, when it becomes available.
- 12:04 [DanC]
- ACTION emiller: release RDF-ization of Michel's thingy.
- 12:04 [DanC]
- ADJOURN.
- 12:04 [EricF]
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- 12:05 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.gca.org/attend/2000_conferences/XML_2000/default.htm XML 2000
- 12:05 [DanC]
- emiller, pls arrange for scribe duties; i.e. somebody to send a point to today's log to www-rdf-interest and xtm-wg
- 12:05 [emiller_]
- online, but crude and still behind firewall... i'll clean up and send URL
- 12:06 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.gca.org/attend/2000_conferences/XML_2000/specialinterest.htm XTM track (Monday)
- 12:06 [Ralph]
- Eric; this irc log is:
- 12:06 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2000/11/06-topicmaprdf-irc log of this session
- 12:09 [Ralph]
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