ISSUE-89: Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements

idioms

Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements

State:
CLOSED
Product:
pre-LC1 HTML 5 spec
Raised by:
Shelley Powers
Opened on:
2010-01-08
Description:
This is an interesting section, but all it does is provide suggested usage, and
any such suggested usage should be given in a Primer, if given by the W3C at
all.

By including the text of this section in the specification, we run the risk of over-specifying how HTML is to be used. Since there is nothing in the section related to user agents, conformance or any other form of validation, it has no place in a specification.

The HTML5 specification should focus on what is necessary for conformance, and for correct usage--not possible variations. If included in the specification,
what is nothing more than a recommendation could be seen as a requirement. This
could inhibit the free, and correct use of markup, and we don't want to inhibit
creativity--only prevent incorrect usage.

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [common-idioms-without-dedicated-elements]
Related Actions Items:
No related actions
Related emails:
  1. {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-24: Action items and Issues (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-02-24)
  2. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-24: Action items and Issues (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-02-23)
  3. Working Group Decision on ISSUE-89 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-02-22)
  4. Re: ISSUE-141 dl-dialog: Chairs Solicit Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-01-19)
  5. Re: ISSUE-141 dl-dialog: Chairs Solicit Proposals (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2011-01-19)
  6. {minutes} } HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-21: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, and TPAC (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-10-21)
  7. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-21: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, and TPAC (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-10-20)
  8. RE: {minutes} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-14 actions, status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts, task force reports (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-10-14)
  9. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-14 actions, status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-10-13)
  10. {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-10-06)
  11. Re: ISSUE-89: idioms - Straw Poll for Objections (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-10-05)
  12. ISSUE-89: idioms - Straw Poll for Objections (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-10-04)
  13. RE: {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2010-08-04 [task force week] (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-08-05)
  14. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from jackalmage@gmail.com on 2010-08-04)
  15. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-08-04 [task force week] (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-08-04)
  16. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-08-04)
  17. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-06-04)
  18. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2010-06-04)
  19. Re: ISSUE-89 (idioms): Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements [HTML 5 spec] (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2010-06-04)
  20. RE: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2010-05-27)
  21. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2010-05-27)
  22. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2010-05-27)
  23. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-27 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-05-26)
  24. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from jackalmage@gmail.com on 2010-05-21)
  25. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from jackalmage@gmail.com on 2010-05-21)
  26. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-05-21)
  27. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-05-21)
  28. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from jackalmage@gmail.com on 2010-05-20)
  29. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-20: Surveys close, Publishing new Working Drafts (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-05-19)
  30. Re: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from jackalmage@gmail.com on 2010-05-17)
  31. minutes, 2010-05-13 HTML WG telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2010-05-14)
  32. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-13: Action items, surveys, Task Force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-05-12)
  33. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-22: Action items, issues, decision policy, A11Y recommendations, polyglot spec (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-21)
  34. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-22: Action items, issues, decision policy, A11Y recommendations, polyglot spec (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-04-21)
  35. ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-20)
  36. Re: ISSUE-100, ISSUE-89, ISSUE-106 (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-04-14)
  37. [minutes] 2010-04-01 HTML Teleconference (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-04-01)
  38. Re: Change proposals uploaded to Wiki - URLs, suggestions on Issue 92 table (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-31)
  39. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-01: action items, decision policy update, issue status (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2010-03-30)
  40. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-01: action items, decision policy update, issue status (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-03-30)
  41. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-01: action items, decision policy update, issue status (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2010-03-30)
  42. [minutes] 20100325 HTML teleconference (from plh@w3.org on 2010-03-30)
  43. Re: ISSUE-89 Change Proposal (from gunther@keryx.se on 2010-03-28)
  44. Re: ISSUE-89 Change Proposal (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-27)
  45. Re: ISSUE-89 Change Proposal (from karl@la-grange.net on 2010-03-27)
  46. Re: ISSUE-89 Change Proposal (from benoit.piette@gmail.com on 2010-03-26)
  47. Re: ISSUE-89 Change Proposal (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2010-03-26)
  48. Re: ISSUE-89 Change Proposal (from jackalmage@gmail.com on 2010-03-26)
  49. ISSUE-89 Change Proposal (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2010-03-26)
  50. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-25: decision policy, issue status, updates from meetings, task force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-24)
  51. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-25: decision policy, issue status, updates from meetings, task force reports (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-03-24)
  52. Re: Breakdown of issues (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-03-12)
  53. Breakdown of issues (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-03-12)
  54. Extension granted on some Change Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2010-01-27)
  55. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-01-14: AIs, CfC/CfPs, TFs, plus: heartbeat docs (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2010-01-13)
  56. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-01-14: AIs, CfC/CfPs, TFs, plus: heartbeat docs (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-01-13)
  57. ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Proposals (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2010-01-13)
  58. [Bug 8401] Remove section 4.12 regarding idioms (from bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org on 2010-01-08)
  59. ISSUE-89 (idioms): Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements [HTML 5 spec] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2010-01-08)

Related notes:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0372.html

Sam Ruby, 22 Feb 2011, 20:19:46

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