ISSUE-32
table-summary
how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation?
- State:
- OPEN
- Product:
- HTML 5 spec
- Raised by:
- Joshue O Connor
- Opened on:
- 2008-02-07
- Description:
Raised by: James Graham on behalf of Joshue O'Connor, 7 Feb 2008 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Feb/0124.html Vision impaired screen reader users listen to outputted information, without any visual cues, and HTML 5 drafts up to and including http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-20090212/ lack a mechanism that gives an overview of complex tabular data or a brief explanation of that data. HTML 4 provides a table/@summary attribute where authors may provide this information. Issue is detailed at: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE Summary Draft Text for the Spec - Cynthia Shelly, September 14, 2009 http://dev.w3.org/html5/pf-summary/Overview.html#the-table-element http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0553.html PF Advice: @Summary - Janina Sajka, June 3, 2009 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0026.html May 4, 2009 message asked Janina Sajka (WAI PF WG's new chair) for comments on several items in order to move this issue toward resolution. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0033.html editor's position given by ian@hixie.ch on February 24, 2009 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0601.html editor's position is given by ian@hixie.ch on 2008-12-20 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Dec/0175.html WAI PF WG's position is given in 6 Aug msg from Al G. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0213.html supplemented by, e.g. "Use and abuse of summary" thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0420.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0503.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Feb/0512.html Related email: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE#head-6fcfaa26f41088d2cf13b4dd3247225a49ee7be1 Related Bugs: 7539: Since @summary is an official part of the table element, it is no longer obsolete... http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7539 7633: The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant. http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633 HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [tabular-data]
- Related Actions Items:
ACTION-66 on Joshue O Connor to Joshue to collate information on what spec status is with respect to table@summary, research background on rationale for retaining table@summary as a valid attribute - due 2008-08-29, closedACTION-76 on Chris Wilson to Create poll on issue-32, based on Joshue's page from action-66 - due 2009-01-31, closedACTION-104 on Chris Wilson to Inquire about table summary and headers status at PFWG caucus on 2009-02-06 - due 2009-02-26, closedACTION-126 on Sam Ruby to Send a call to the WG to update the Wiki page to adequately reflect both (all) viewpoints on summary, in prep. for a vote - due 2009-06-11, closedACTION-111 on Sam Ruby to Send call to working group on summary to update wiki in preparation for vote - due 2009-06-18, closedACTION-128 on Cynthia Shelly to Work with PF to find an owner for drafting @summary text proposal - due 2009-08-20, closedACTION-136 on Matthew May to Send draft to the list, due in three weeks - due 2009-09-17, closed- ACTION-145 on Cynthia Shelly to Write a Change Proposal for summary - due 2009-11-08, open
- Related emails:
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from oradnio@gmail.com on 2009-11-19)
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2009-11-19)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-11-18)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-11-19: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-11-18)
- We have a volunteer to write a Change Proposal for ISSUE-32: table-summary (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-10-10)
- minutes of 2009-10-01 telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2009-10-02)
- Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-30)
- [Bug 7633] The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant (from bugzilla@wiggum.w3.org on 2009-09-29)
- minutes for 2009-09-17 telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2009-09-20)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-09-17 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-09-16)
- RE: [html] Summary draft (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-09-14)
- Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-09)
- FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-10 - Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-09)
- State of HTML WG Unresolved Issues (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-20)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-19)
- {minutes} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-13 for review (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-08-13)
- Re: Begin discussions for pushing Last Call into 2010 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-13)
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-13 (from cooper@w3.org on 2009-08-12)
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-13 (from singer@apple.com on 2009-08-12)
- {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-13 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-12)
- Re: Consolidated issues that may qualify as 'controversial' (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-12)
- Re: Consolidated issues that may qualify as 'controversial' (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-08-12)
- Re: Consolidated issues that may qualify as 'controversial' (from shelleyp@burningbird.net on 2009-08-12)
- Consolidated issues that may qualify as 'controversial' (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-12)
- Re: summary attribute compromise proposal (from shelley.just@gmail.com on 2009-08-06)
- RE: summary attribute compromise proposal (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-08-06)
- Re: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll - update 4 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-06)
- minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-08-06 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-06)
- Re: Thoughts regarding Maciej's compromise and the heartbeat publication (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-05)
- My position (was RE: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll - update 2) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-08-02)
- RE: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-08-01)
- RE: [DRAFT] Heartbeat poll (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-07-31)
- RE: Publishing a new draft (HTML5+RDFa) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-07-30)
- Re: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5 (from faulkner.steve@gmail.com on 2009-07-20)
- Re: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-07-20)
- RE: PROPOSAL: Procedure to Promote Progress With Accessibility Issues in HTML5 (from foliot@wats.ca on 2009-07-19)
- minutes HTML weekly 9 July for review (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-07-09)
- Re: PF Response: @Summary (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-07-07)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-22)
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- Re: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from hober0@gmail.com on 2009-06-09)
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- RE: <font color='blue'> (was ISSUE-32) (from jfoliot@stanford.edu on 2009-06-08)
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
- Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-01)
- Re: Request for PFWG WAI review of summary for tabular data (from laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com on 2009-05-04)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-27)
- Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-21)
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- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from janina@rednote.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from janina@rednote.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from wloughborough@gmail.com on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from poehlman1@comcast.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-02-25)
- Re: summary='' in HTML5 ISSUE-32 (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-02-25)
- minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-02-19 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-19)
- minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-02-10 [draft] (from oedipus@hicom.net on 2009-02-12)
- Re: revised table headers design is OK, right? (from chaals@opera.com on 2009-02-11)
- revised table headers design is OK, right? (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-11)
- head@profile: another dropped attribute (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-04)
- RE: table-summary argument (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-03)
- table-summary argument (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-02-03)
- minutes: HTML WG weekly telcon 22 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-23)
- minutes: HTML Weekly Teleconference 15 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-16)
- Table feedback (from ian@hixie.ch on 2008-12-20)
- Re: toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-08-22)
- Re: toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-08-22)
- toward a schedule of HTML WG issues (from connolly@w3.org on 2008-08-21)
- {minutes} HTML WG issue-tracking telcon 2008-06-26 (from mike@w3.org on 2008-07-09)
- {minutes} HTML WG issue-tracking telcon 2008-06-19 (from mike@w3.org on 2008-06-25)
- {minutes} HTML WG issue-tracking telcon 2008-06-12 (from mike@w3.org on 2008-06-19)
- Re: several messages about tables and related subjects (from ian@hixie.ch on 2008-03-23)
- ISSUE-32 (table-summary): Include a summary attribute for tables? [HTML 5 spec] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2008-02-07)
Related notes:
2008-03-23 19:32:35: Rejected by editor due to unclear problem description. [Ian Hickson]
2008-09-25 16:07:23: See also: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE [Shawn Medero]
2008-09-25 16:17:58: Joshue's wiki page was sent to public-html in August 2008 but it looks like the email discussion didn't get linked up to this issue:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0330.html
Ian Hickson may have followed up here:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0505.html
It wasn't clear to me that he reviewed the wiki summary from this email as Ian is primarily responding to Al Gilman's comments [Shawn Medero]
2009-02-19 21:27:55: citing editor's position, WAI PF position; balancing description a bit [Dan Connolly]
2009-02-26 16:40:05: A more recent (29 Feb 2008) table@summary study from Philip Taylor: http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/summary-20090226.html [Shawn Medero]
2009-03-10 10:14:32: Still ongoing as of March 2009 [Joshue O Connor]
2009-06-01 19:00:19: To move issue 32 toward resolution asked PFWG for comments on several items (May 4, 2009):
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0033.html
Asked PFWG Chair when would be a reasonable date to expect a reply from PF (June 6, 2009).
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0003.html [Laura Carlson]
2009-06-04 13:51:05: PF Response: @Summary from Janina Sajka
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Jun/0026.html
Response from editor and ensuing discussion:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jun/thread.html#msg173 [Laura Carlson]
2009-06-04 18:42:58: Discussion in June 4, 2009 Teleconference:
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/04-html-wg-minutes.html#item05
Issue is at an impasse. Sam will send message to working group on summary to update wiki in preparation for vote. [Laura Carlson]
2009-06-25 16:33:37: ACTION: Joshue to draft @summary voting text in conjunction with PF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-html-wg-minutes.html#action01] [Joshue O Connor]
2009-09-17 14:04:17: ACTION-136 Spec Text Drafted
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/136
http://dev.w3.org/html5/pf-summary/Overview.html#the-table-element
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0553.html [Laura Carlson]
2009-09-29 04:55:48: [MikeSmith]: see also http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633 (The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant)
2009-10-28 12:32:55: Related Bugzilla - Bug 7539
Since @summary is an official part of the table element, it is no longer obsolete. Sufficient warning language exists in it's definition that this entry should be removed:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7539 [Laura Carlson]
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