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<sandro> Guest: Li Ding, http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~dingl/, RPI <sandro> Present: Cory_Casanave, Ed_Summers, George_Thomas, Michael_Hausenblas, Sandro_Hawke 13:48:23 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #egov 13:48:23 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/05-egov-irc 13:48:29 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov 13:48:29 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(LD Demo)9:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes 13:48:54 <sandro> zakim, make log public 13:48:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', sandro 13:49:08 <sandro> rrsagent, make log public 13:57:10 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD Demo)9:00AM has now started 13:57:16 <Zakim> + +1.518.495.aaaa 13:57:58 <mhausenblas> mhausenblas has joined #egov 13:58:38 <george> george has joined #egov 13:58:54 <Cory> Cory has joined #egov 13:58:56 <sandro> zakim is being slow to answer the phone.... :-( 13:59:23 <Zakim> +Sandro 13:59:33 <Zakim> +Cory 14:00:49 <sandro> +Li 14:02:17 <george> my blackberry is losing it's mind - i'll be on the call momentarily 14:03:00 <Zakim> +George_Thomas 14:03:37 <ed> ed has joined #egov 14:06:19 <Zakim> +??P14 14:06:23 <george> hey @ed, ru also on the call? 14:06:47 <Zakim> +mhausenblas 14:07:04 <mhausenblas> Zakim. who's here? 14:07:10 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here? 14:07:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.518.495.aaaa, Sandro, Cory, George_Thomas, ??P14, mhausenblas 14:07:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see edsu, Cory, george, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, sandro, hughb, trackbot 14:07:36 <sandro> zakim, ??P14 is edsu 14:07:36 <Zakim> +edsu; got it 14:07:48 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Li_Ding 14:07:48 <Zakim> +Li_Ding; got it 14:07:57 <sandro> zakim, who is here? 14:07:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Li_Ding, Sandro, Cory, George_Thomas, edsu, mhausenblas 14:07:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see edsu, Cory, george, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, sandro, hughb, trackbot 14:08:27 <edsu> zakim, mute me 14:08:27 <Zakim> edsu should now be muted 14:08:37 <edsu> sweet :-) 14:10:31 <sandro> an hour earlier is okay for me. 14:11:00 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'd appreciate it an hour earlier if this works for others 14:11:01 <edsu> i can do an hour earlier 14:11:42 <sandro> george: looks like an hour earlier is okay for everyone, but I'll check with e-mail. (except Cory for the next few weeks.) 14:11:58 <sandro> scribe: sandro 14:12:06 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects/GLD_Demo/Meetings/2010-02-05 14:12:06 <sandro> (scribing for now) 14:12:49 <sandro> george: I;m George Thomas, I work at US Dept of Health and Human Services. I'm a marginal modeler and a worse coder, but I can help manage. 14:13:51 <mhausenblas> Chair: george 14:13:54 <sandro> cory: I'm Cory Casanave from Model-Driven Solutions. I've worked with George before. We provide some open source technologies at modeldriven.org. We mostly provide services to US Govt. My interest is in finding new ways to benefit customers 14:14:40 <sandro> george: Thank Li for all the great work you at RPI have been doing, leveraging all the data.gov data. It's a bright light in the community. 14:14:59 <sandro> li: (I'm in DC, travelling right now.) 14:15:41 <sandro> li: We're working on converting gov't data to linked data, then build demos to show value. I'm technical lead for RPI data.gov project. We're very interested in making things real. 14:16:18 <sandro> li: Before RPI, I was at UMBC, where I worked on Swoogle, then I went to Stanford, working with Deborah McGuinness. Now Research Scientist at RPI. 14:16:22 <mhausenblas> Michael: postdoc at DERI, co-ordinator of http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ 14:17:09 <sandro> mhausenblas: I'm a post doc at DERI in Ireland. Coordinator of Gov't Linked Data [?]. 14:17:36 <sandro> s/Gov't Linked Data [?]/Linked Data Research Center/ 14:17:47 <edsu> zakim, unmute me 14:17:47 <Zakim> edsu should no longer be muted 14:18:27 <sandro> edsu: Ed Summers, software developer at Library of Congress (in D.C.). Mostly work on digital preservation activities. Web development at LoC. 14:19:09 <edsu> zakim, mute me 14:19:09 <Zakim> edsu should now be muted 14:19:28 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here? 14:19:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Li_Ding, Sandro, Cory, George_Thomas, edsu (muted), mhausenblas 14:19:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see edsu, Cory, george, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, sandro, hughb, trackbot 14:19:41 <sandro> sandro: Sandro Hawke, W3C, likes to code. :-) ... but usually does standards work. 14:20:11 <sandro> topic: Future Meetings 14:20:25 <sandro> Looks like we'll shift to 8AM E.T., probably 14:20:43 <sandro> george: I'll be offline for the next 3 weeks. need co-coordinator? 14:21:54 <sandro> mhausenblas: I can either co-coordinate or do 9am for another week. 14:22:13 <sandro> george: I'll follow up with you two. 14:22:22 <sandro> topic: What do we want to demonstrate? 14:22:43 <sandro> george: edsu suggested link data between US and UK 14:22:47 <mhausenblas> q+ 14:23:03 <sandro> george: I suggested Performance Management 14:23:37 <sandro> ... IT dashboard, shows IT investments that agencies are making. Connect WHAT are they spending their money on with WHY are they doing it (goals). 14:23:54 <mhausenblas> ack me 14:23:54 <sandro> ack mhausenblas 14:24:12 <mhausenblas> http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/ 14:24:53 <sandro> mhausenblas: faceted browser of data.gov, a bit like Li's at RPI 14:25:00 <mhausenblas> http://ld2sd.deri.org/chartr/ 14:25:42 <sandro> ... charts from RDF 14:25:46 <mhausenblas> http://purl.org/NET/scovo 14:26:27 <sandro> ... statistics; use of multiple independent vocabs 14:26:46 <sandro> george: interesting stuff.... 14:27:16 <sandro> george: You did some changeset-oriented feed stuff.... 14:27:23 <mhausenblas> http://webofdata.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/ldc09-dataset-dynamcis-screencast/ 14:28:22 <sandro> mhausenblas: recent work in progress, hoping to scale up to wikipedia or larger 14:28:41 <george> data-gov.tw.rpi.edu 14:28:50 <sandro> li: RPI website data-gov.tw.rpi.edu 14:28:50 <mhausenblas> s/to wikipedia/to DBpedia 14:29:07 <edsu> -> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu RPI data-gov wiki 14:29:08 <Cory> Joshua 14:29:56 <sandro> li: not enough details yet.... 14:30:19 <george> i'll try to capture goal/objective statements of team members l8r 14:30:23 <sandro> li: we're semweb oriented, but want to embrace non-semweb web community. demos should serve for education. 14:30:41 <george> looks like we have a lot of tool/mechanics capabilities offered by deri/rpi 14:30:59 <sandro> li: at NIH looking at Tobacco data 14:31:32 <mhausenblas> Michael: agree, it shouldn't be Semantic Web-demos, but demos with a certain wow/utility effect 14:32:21 <mhausenblas> Michael: my motto is, where RDF-based stuff is appropriate, I use it, otherwise not (best tool for the task, see for example Atom usage in the dady demo ;) 14:32:35 <sandro> george: semantic.data.gov, initially focussing on health data, we'll talk about that more in a different forum.... 14:33:32 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:33:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/05-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas 14:33:37 <sandro> george: we have lots of great tools and techniques, but... which data to use....? 14:33:41 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, makes log public 14:33:41 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes log public', mhausenblas. Try /msg RRSAgent help 14:33:45 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, makes logs public 14:33:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes logs public', mhausenblas. Try /msg RRSAgent help 14:33:51 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, make logs public 14:34:37 <sandro> sandro: I wonder about killer-app-demo vs lots of little stuff, cf RPI and DERI 14:35:02 <mhausenblas> q+ 14:35:06 <mhausenblas> ack me 14:35:12 <sandro> george: maybe we can leverage all the little demos into one killer app 14:35:44 <sandro> mhausenblas: let's combine.... eg an agency wants to publish/use some data, we can provide demos focussed around one story. 14:36:01 <sandro> george: yeah, one story.... 14:37:23 <sandro> cory: cost-justification... with a small ontology for that, then build some UI for analysis, but allow any org to publish, and the we suck them up. Prepopulate but allowed data from elsewhere. 14:37:37 <sandro> ... some cost-justification data is out there. 14:38:14 <mhausenblas> q+ to agree re cost-justification, but ... 14:38:20 <sandro> george: Yeah, let folks show off their cooler stuff, applied to this data. 14:38:30 <sandro> ack mhausenblas 14:38:30 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to agree re cost-justification, but ... 14:38:57 <sandro> mhausenblas: cost-justification is good; let's start with Real Data instead of with schema/ontology. 14:39:38 <edsu> mhausenblas++ # for data-driven 14:39:43 <sandro> ed: I agree. THere is lots of real data from US Govt. 14:40:04 <sandro> ed: but it's not necessarily connected 14:40:26 <Cory> So I am thinking of 3 "parts" for cost justification: Raw data (from many sources), A registry of these connected to a vocabulary and any number of cool User interfaces. 14:40:58 <sandro> oops, that's george not ed. 14:41:22 <edsu> q+ to ask about catalog info 14:42:07 <mhausenblas> q+ to propose a road ahead by sketching the story in the Wiki 14:42:14 <mhausenblas> q? 14:42:50 <edsu> zakim, unmute me 14:42:50 <Zakim> edsu should no longer be muted 14:42:52 <edsu> ack 14:42:54 <sandro> sandro: Let's make a wiki page, and add some cost-justificaton data sources 14:43:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ack edsu 14:43:00 <Zakim> edsu, you wanted to ask about catalog info 14:43:01 <Zakim> I see mhausenblas on the speaker queue 14:45:17 <sandro> edsu: use RDFa 14:45:24 <edsu> zakim, mute me 14:45:24 <Zakim> edsu should now be muted 14:45:34 <edsu> mhausenblas: :-) 14:46:22 <sandro> li: we've used RDFa a little. our demo page has a small search capabaility using that. 14:46:41 <sandro> george: action item to look at what everyone has done.... 14:47:25 <mhausenblas> q? 14:47:46 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects/GLD_Demo/ 14:48:27 <george> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects/GLD_Demo 14:48:33 <george> is already started - 14:48:34 <sandro> sandro: annotated biblio of sites we should look at. 14:48:37 <mhausenblas> ack me 14:48:37 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose a road ahead by sketching the story in the Wiki 14:48:55 <george> yes - use the wiki to develop the scenario 14:49:07 <sandro> mhausenblas: RDFa important and useful and all, but let's keep to sketching story. 14:49:24 <sandro> q? 14:50:12 <edsu> isn't the "story" part of the other egov linkeddata group's effort? 14:50:39 <edsu> zakim, unmute me 14:50:39 <Zakim> edsu should no longer be muted 14:50:57 <sandro> sandro: I think its: descision support for funding decisions. 14:51:15 <george> +1 sandro 14:51:58 <sandro> sandro: which has a nice self-referential quality -- the people who need to make funding decisions will be more likely to be familiar with this kind of app. 14:52:43 <edsu> zakim, mute me 14:52:43 <Zakim> edsu should now be muted 14:53:38 <mhausenblas> sandro, I've joined the eGov IG now, tried to login at http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Main_Page with my W3C account mhausenb but failed 14:53:51 <sandro> george: this is what you're looking at, and why. 14:53:51 <mhausenblas> still says "Incorrect password entered. Please try again. " 14:54:08 <sandro> mhausenblas, :-( 14:54:20 <dingl> dingl has joined #egov 14:54:27 <edsu> ok, sounds good 14:55:05 <Li_Ding> finally get irc, but only have 5 minutes left 14:55:16 <Zakim> -mhausenblas 14:56:10 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: 14:57:04 <Li_Ding> vocabulary for dataset description, dataset statistics or demo? 14:57:11 <sandro> cory: how money is spent 14:57:20 <sandro> sandro: but in service to how to spend money. 14:57:42 <Li_Ding> some links FYI 14:57:49 <Li_Ding> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demos for list of interesting demos 14:58:02 <Li_Ding> the RDFa related demo is at http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Semantic_Search_of_the_Data-gov_Catalog 14:58:37 <sandro> Li, which are the best 3? 14:59:07 <Li_Ding> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Castnet_Ozone_Map 14:59:11 <Li_Ding> with video demo 14:59:26 <Li_Ding> rdfa demo http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Semantic_Search_of_the_Data-gov_Catalog 15:00:31 <Li_Ding> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Agency_Budget_Summary comparing three sources 15:00:47 <Li_Ding> dataset and find interesting mismatch 15:00:48 <edsu> zakim, unmute me 15:00:48 <Zakim> edsu should no longer be muted 15:00:56 <Li_Ding> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demo:_Linking_USPS_Money_and_News 15:01:18 <Li_Ding> (sorry about the fourth) linking government data to Social web 15:01:38 <Li_Ding> a paper to read 15:01:39 <Li_Ding> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/The_Data-gov_Wiki:_A_Semantic_Web_Portal_for_Linked_Government_Data 15:01:39 <george> [GLDDemo] 15:01:43 <Li_Ding> need to go now 15:01:45 <sandro> +1 15:01:47 <Li_Ding> sorry about that 15:01:49 <Li_Ding> thanks 15:01:56 <edsu> seeya li 15:02:02 <Zakim> -Li_Ding 15:04:16 <edsu> zakim, mute me 15:04:16 <Zakim> edsu should now be muted 15:05:09 <sandro> action: sandro to ask if we can just use http://www.w3.org/eGov/[wiki-page-name] 15:05:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Ask if we can just use http://www.w3.org/eGov/[wiki-page-name] [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-02-12]. 15:06:13 <sandro> Linked_Data_Demo 15:06:44 <sandro> Linked_Data, Linked_Data_Business_Case, Linked_Data_Demo 15:07:07 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects/GLD_Demo 15:08:33 <sandro> [LDDEMO] 15:09:40 <edsu> zakim, unmute me 15:09:40 <Zakim> edsu should no longer be muted 15:12:29 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/ 15:12:39 <Zakim> -Cory 15:12:55 <sandro> ADJOURN # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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