eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 29 April 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-29
Present
Brand Niemann, David James, Ed Summers, Fadi Maali, George Thomas, Jon Phipps, Li Ding, Luigi Montanez, Martín Álvarez, Michael Hausenblas, Richard Cyganiak, Vassilios Peristeras
Guests
Bobbin Teegarden, William Waites, Paul Hermans
Chair
Richard Cyganiak
Scribe
Ed Summers
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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<sandro> Present: Brand_Niemann, David_James, Ed_Summers, Fadi_Maali, George_Thomas, Jon_Phipps, Li_Ding, Luigi_Montanez, Martín_Álvarez, Michael_Hausenblas, Richard_Cyganiak, Vassilios Peristeras
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15:01:21 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
15:01:21 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2010
15:01:30 <cygri> nice. thanks mhausenblas!

Richard Cyganiak: nice. thanks mhausenblas!

15:01:54 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-29
15:02:06 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu

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15:02:12 <Zakim> +??P7

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15:02:25 <cygri> Chair: cygri
15:02:31 <cygri> Scribe: edsu

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15:02:52 <cygri> zakim, who is here?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here?

15:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, +03539149aabb (muted), edsu, ??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, +03539149aabb (muted), edsu, ??P7

15:02:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, n8fr8__, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, n8fr8__, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot

15:03:10 <Zakim> +jonphipps

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15:03:32 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:04:03 <Zakim> - +03539149aabb

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15:04:46 <edsu> that's dc area

that's dc area

15:04:54 <Zakim> + +1.425.378.aacc

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15:05:23 <Zakim> + +03539149aadd

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15:06:00 <edsu> ww: are you on the call?

William Waites: are you on the call?

15:06:09 <PaulZH> I'm also calling IP

Paul Hermans: I'm also calling IP

15:06:57 <cygri> zakim, who is talking?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is talking?

15:07:08 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (9%), ??P8 (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (9%), ??P8 (9%)

15:07:18 <fadi> zakim, aabb is fadi

Fadi Maali: zakim, aabb is fadi

15:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, fadi, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fadi, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

15:07:29 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:07:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), +03539149aadd (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), +03539149aadd (muted)

15:07:46 <cygri> zakim, aadd is fadi

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aadd is fadi

15:07:46 <Zakim> +fadi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it

15:08:09 <vassilios> vassilios also on IP phone

Vassilios Peristeras: vassilios also on IP phone

15:09:08 <cygri> zakim, aaaa is LuigiMontanez

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aaaa is LuigiMontanez

15:09:08 <Zakim> +LuigiMontanez; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LuigiMontanez; got it

15:09:16 <cygri> zakim, who is here?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here?

15:09:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted)

15:09:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, fadi, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,

15:09:20 <Zakim> ... trackbot

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15:09:58 <edsu> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:10:21 <edsu> cygri: agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0084.html

Richard Cyganiak: agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0084.html

15:10:51 <edsu> ... we'll have a presentation from martin of ctic, and hopefully one from li ding of rpi

... we'll have a presentation from martin of ctic, and hopefully one from li ding of rpi

15:11:23 <edsu> ... time permitting i'd like to talk about the scope and deliverables of the group

... time permitting i'd like to talk about the scope and deliverables of the group

15:11:34 <edsu> ... and hopefully write those down on the wiki

... and hopefully write those down on the wiki

15:11:39 <edsu> Topic: Demos

2. Demos

15:12:13 <cygri> wiki page: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Datos_de_Asturias

Richard Cyganiak: wiki page: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Datos_de_Asturias

15:12:19 <edsu> martin: here at ctic we develop an open data solution in spain, a good proof of concept of the linked data solution

Martín Álvarez: here at ctic we develop an open data solution in spain, a good proof of concept of the linked data solution

15:12:59 <edsu> ... here you can see some metadata based on the VoID and Dublin Core vocabularies

... here you can see some metadata based on the VoID and Dublin Core vocabularies

15:13:24 <edsu> ... you can see license and provenance information, and the available data formats

... you can see license and provenance information, and the available data formats

15:13:47 <edsu> ... the generation of the catalog is using sparql and xslt

... the generation of the catalog is using sparql and xslt

15:14:29 <martin> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/CTIC_Dataset_List

Martín Álvarez: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/CTIC_Dataset_List

15:14:30 <edsu> ... we have a list of catalogs (a meta catalog)

... we have a list of catalogs (a meta catalog)

15:15:23 <edsu> ... similar to the deri dcat approach, title, description, license

... similar to the deri dcat approach, title, description, license

15:15:28 <martin> http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss

Martín Álvarez: http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss

15:15:40 <martin> http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map.html.en

Martín Álvarez: http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map.html.en

15:16:06 <edsu> ... also have a rss feed of the catalogs, which is used to geenrate a map of the catalogs

... also have a rss feed of the catalogs, which is used to geenrate a map of the catalogs

15:17:18 <edsu> cygri: you have used void for the data catalog, are the datasets in the catalog all available as rdf? this is not the case for most catalogs (e.g. data.gov)

Richard Cyganiak: you have used void for the data catalog, are the datasets in the catalog all available as rdf? this is not the case for most catalogs (e.g. data.gov)

15:17:38 <edsu> ... do you think it makes sense to use void when the dataset is not rdf?

... do you think it makes sense to use void when the dataset is not rdf?

15:18:21 <edsu> martin: i think void is by definition only for rdf data sets ... so i think no?

Martín Álvarez: i think void is by definition only for rdf data sets ... so i think no?

15:18:52 <edsu> cygri: that's what void was made for originally, but it possibly could be applied in a broader scope ... but i take your answer as saying you'd only use it for rdf data sets?

Richard Cyganiak: that's what void was made for originally, but it possibly could be applied in a broader scope ... but i take your answer as saying you'd only use it for rdf data sets?

15:19:04 <edsu> martin: i think void could be useful

Martín Álvarez: i think void could be useful

15:19:23 <cygri> zakim, who is here

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here

15:19:23 <Zakim> cygri, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you need to end that query with '?'

15:19:29 <edsu> mapstraction.addOverlay('http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss');

mapstraction.addOverlay('http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/feeds/catalogs_en.rss');

15:19:35 <cygri> zakim, who is here?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here?

15:19:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, +1.425.378.aacc (muted), fadi (muted)

15:19:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,

15:19:40 <Zakim> ... trackbot

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15:20:34 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aaee

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15:21:27 <edsu> cygri: do we have a new attendee from dc?

Richard Cyganiak: do we have a new attendee from dc?

15:21:48 <edsu> cygri: ok, it's brandt from epa in washington

Richard Cyganiak: ok, it's brandt from epa in washington

15:21:54 <cygri> zakim, aaee is brand

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aaee is brand

15:21:54 <Zakim> +brand; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +brand; got it

15:23:04 <edsu> bobbin: i'm on the call too

Bobbin Teegarden: i'm on the call too

15:23:15 <cygri> zakim, aacc is bobbin

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aacc is bobbin

15:23:15 <Zakim> +bobbin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bobbin; got it

15:23:56 <cygri> zakim, who is here?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here?

15:23:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, bobbin, fadi, brand

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps, ??P8, bobbin, fadi, brand

15:23:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, bobbin, DavidJames, vassilios, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, LuigiMontanez, PaulZH, george, jonphipps, martin, cygri, mhausenblas, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro,

15:24:01 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

15:24:25 <DavidJames> LuigiMontanez and I are sharing a conference phone

David James: LuigiMontanez and I are sharing a conference phone

15:24:43 <cygri> zakim, davidjames is with luigimontane

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, davidjames is with luigimontane

15:24:43 <Zakim> +davidjames; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +davidjames; got it

15:24:50 <cygri> zakim, davidjames is with luigimontanez

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, davidjames is with luigimontanez

15:24:50 <Zakim> davidjames was already listed in LuigiMontanez, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: davidjames was already listed in LuigiMontanez, cygri

15:24:51 <bobbin> Bobbin Teegarden, semantic consultant in Seattle

Bobbin Teegarden: Bobbin Teegarden, semantic consultant in Seattle

15:25:14 <edsu> cygri: seems like Li isn't going to make the call

Richard Cyganiak: seems like Li isn't going to make the call

15:25:21 <edsu> Topic: Deliverables

3. Deliverables

15:26:37 <edsu> cygri: there wasn't a clear consensus at the end of the last call, about defining an abstract vocabulary about the data you find in catalogs, and then we could have several different documents that explain how you could use these terms in a concrete syntax: rdf/xml, rdfa, atom, etc

Richard Cyganiak: there wasn't a clear consensus at the end of the last call, about defining an abstract vocabulary about the data you find in catalogs, and then we could have several different documents that explain how you could use these terms in a concrete syntax: rdf/xml, rdfa, atom, etc

15:26:54 <edsu> ... a couple of points were raised on the mailing list

... a couple of points were raised on the mailing list

15:27:13 <edsu> ... erik suggested we should be clear about the types of serices we want to enable

... erik suggested we should be clear about the types of serices we want to enable

15:27:27 <edsu> ... so that's where i would like to pick up

... so that's where i would like to pick up

15:27:40 <DavidJames> we're getting a lot of echo and delay on the line

David James: we're getting a lot of echo and delay on the line

15:28:20 <edsu> cygri: i sent an email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html

Richard Cyganiak: i sent an email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html

15:28:50 <edsu> ... one deliverable might be use cases and requirements

... one deliverable might be use cases and requirements

15:29:20 <edsu> ... a second thing could be an rdf vocabulary and reference that lists the terms, which required/optional, examples

... a second thing could be an rdf vocabulary and reference that lists the terms, which required/optional, examples

15:29:56 <edsu> ... it would make sense to use some sort of formalism, uml, or perhaps rdf schema, since it will give us one possible way of deploying dcat data

... it would make sense to use some sort of formalism, uml, or perhaps rdf schema, since it will give us one possible way of deploying dcat data

15:30:55 <edsu> ... in the email the choice of concrete format maybe we should not decide on this yet ... if we have some clear requirements for using syndication formats for example ; or if we can do everything with rdfa -- it's hard to say before we know what requirements we have

... in the email the choice of concrete format maybe we should not decide on this yet ... if we have some clear requirements for using syndication formats for example ; or if we can do everything with rdfa -- it's hard to say before we know what requirements we have

15:31:23 <edsu> ... do you think we could delay the decision about the concrete format until we do use cases requuirements?

... do you think we could delay the decision about the concrete format until we do use cases requuirements?

15:31:23 <Zakim> + +1.518.495.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.495.aaff

15:31:34 <Zakim> - +1.518.495.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.495.aaff

15:31:50 <PaulZH> I do agree to postpone the decision

Paul Hermans: I do agree to postpone the decision

15:32:38 <Zakim> + +1.518.495.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.495.aagg

15:32:47 <edsu> edsu: i agree in principle, but it will take more time

Ed Summers: i agree in principle, but it will take more time

15:32:52 <LI_DING> hi

Li Ding: hi

15:32:55 <LI_DING> li is joining

Li Ding: li is joining

15:33:25 <edsu> Zakim, +1.518.495.aagg is LI_DING

Zakim, +1.518.495.aagg is LI_DING

15:33:25 <Zakim> +LI_DING; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LI_DING; got it

15:34:04 <edsu> LI_DING: we're reviewing cygri's proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html

Li Ding: we're reviewing cygri's proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html

15:34:55 <edsu> cygri: i think by writing down use cases and requirements we'll get a better understanding about technical choices

Richard Cyganiak: i think by writing down use cases and requirements we'll get a better understanding about technical choices

15:35:30 <edsu> LI_DING: what is the current status, discussion the requirements?

Li Ding: what is the current status, discussion the requirements?

15:36:27 <edsu> cygri: yes, basically we're discussing whether we should abstract out of the concrete syntax, and write use cases and requirements

Richard Cyganiak: yes, basically we're discussing whether we should abstract out of the concrete syntax, and write use cases and requirements

15:37:22 <edsu> ... there doesn't seem to be a lot of disagreement or agreement with this

... there doesn't seem to be a lot of disagreement or agreement with this

15:37:55 <edsu> LI_DING: i want to hear more voices first i think

Li Ding: i want to hear more voices first i think

15:38:11 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone

15:38:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri

15:38:23 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:38:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps (muted), ??P8, bobbin, fadi (muted), brand, LI_DING

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P3, LuigiMontanez, martin, George, edsu, ??P7, jonphipps (muted), ??P8, bobbin, fadi (muted), brand, LI_DING

15:38:25 <Zakim> LuigiMontanez has LuigiMontanez, davidjames

Zakim IRC Bot: LuigiMontanez has LuigiMontanez, davidjames

15:38:58 <DavidJames> Regarding http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html ... I like the list of requirements.

David James: Regarding http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html ... I like the list of requirements.

15:39:49 <DavidJames> The deliverables also look good to me.

David James: The deliverables also look good to me.

15:39:55 <edsu> LI_DING: i'd need more time to review the proposal, but i think we want to keep things as minimal as possible to get something out there quick, also i think we should keep use cases simple, how much do we want to get?

Li Ding: i'd need more time to review the proposal, but i think we want to keep things as minimal as possible to get something out there quick, also i think we should keep use cases simple, how much do we want to get?

15:40:19 <edsu> ... we should try to produce something actionable

... we should try to produce something actionable

15:41:37 <edsu> cygri: i don't hear any strong objection to moving forwards with the deliverables i outlined in the email ; for now we should continue working with this assumption

Richard Cyganiak: i don't hear any strong objection to moving forwards with the deliverables i outlined in the email ; for now we should continue working with this assumption

15:41:54 <LI_DING> one thing could be a challenge

Li Ding: one thing could be a challenge

15:42:03 <DavidJames> Can we ask everyone to vote (or something similar)?

David James: Can we ask everyone to vote (or something similar)?

15:42:34 <edsu> LI_DING: maybe we can have a challenge a deliverable: how many gov't data sets can you find?

Li Ding: maybe we can have a challenge a deliverable: how many gov't data sets can you find?

15:43:16 <edsu> ... lets grow the number of government data sets, more people using the vocabulary

... lets grow the number of government data sets, more people using the vocabulary

15:43:45 <edsu> cygri: but what does this mean for the format we want to design?

Richard Cyganiak: but what does this mean for the format we want to design?

15:44:10 <vassilios> i think it is not a matter of number of datasets but number of catalogues

Vassilios Peristeras: i think it is not a matter of number of datasets but number of catalogues

15:45:07 <Zakim> -brand

Zakim IRC Bot: -brand

15:45:22 <edsu> LI_DING: it's a parallel effort: one side we grow the datasets, and on the other we develop the terminology, vocabulary that can be used

Li Ding: it's a parallel effort: one side we grow the datasets, and on the other we develop the terminology, vocabulary that can be used

15:46:16 <edsu> cygri: DavidJames you asked whether we should do a vote, i'm not sure what point this would serve

Richard Cyganiak: DavidJames you asked whether we should do a vote, i'm not sure what point this would serve

15:46:33 <edsu> ... since there doesn't seem to be any strong disagreement

... since there doesn't seem to be any strong disagreement

15:46:43 <cygri> ack DavidJames

Richard Cyganiak: ack DavidJames

15:46:48 <edsu> DavidJames: i think it would be nice to hear the agreement

David James: i think it would be nice to hear the agreement

15:47:22 <edsu> cygri: i think this is something i'd like to do on the next call, rather than rushing it

Richard Cyganiak: i think this is something i'd like to do on the next call, rather than rushing it

15:47:35 <edsu> ... to make sure there is enough time

... to make sure there is enough time

15:47:49 <edsu> Topic: Use Cases

4. Use Cases

15:48:56 <edsu> cygri: we want to have use case or stories for what people want to be able to do: for example i want to be able to get a list of datasets from data.gov that are not supported by the current data.gov user interface

Richard Cyganiak: we want to have use case or stories for what people want to be able to do: for example i want to be able to get a list of datasets from data.gov that are not supported by the current data.gov user interface

15:49:22 <edsu> ... i'd be interested to hear about what use cases people on the call have

... i'd be interested to hear about what use cases people on the call have

15:49:32 <edsu> ... for standard formats for data catalogs

... for standard formats for data catalogs

15:49:42 <Zakim> -LI_DING

Zakim IRC Bot: -LI_DING

15:50:41 <edsu> martin: i'd like to be able to query multiple catalogs, to be able to query other geographic regions

Martín Álvarez: i'd like to be able to query multiple catalogs, to be able to query other geographic regions

15:51:16 <vassilios> cross-catalogue querying

Vassilios Peristeras: cross-catalogue querying

15:51:25 <edsu> cygri: so you want to be able to federate national catalogs into say a european union catalog?

Richard Cyganiak: so you want to be able to federate national catalogs into say a european union catalog?

15:51:47 <edsu> s/martin/vassilios/

s/martin/vassilios/

15:52:00 <edsu> vassilios: yes

Vassilios Peristeras: yes

15:52:21 <george> (fed/state/local) gov agency independently published catalog using (some set of standard) vocab for dynamic aggregation of catalogs

George Thomas: (fed/state/local) gov agency independently published catalog using (some set of standard) vocab for dynamic aggregation of catalogs

15:52:55 <george> would like to see bottom up (as per Li - in use) drive basic (extensible) rdfs vocab convergence for w3c blessing

George Thomas: would like to see bottom up (as per Li - in use) drive basic (extensible) rdfs vocab convergence for w3c blessing

15:53:00 <edsu> DavidJames: for the nationaldatacatalog we'd like to consume data from other data catalogs, we'd like to have one uniform way of getting at catalog data

David James: for the nationaldatacatalog we'd like to consume data from other data catalogs, we'd like to have one uniform way of getting at catalog data

15:53:33 <edsu> ... for municipalities and state governments we'd like to do a similar thing, enabling federation across many levels

... for municipalities and state governments we'd like to do a similar thing, enabling federation across many levels

15:54:38 <edsu> george: i think i share the interest that david and luigi have ; would be great to have some sort of vocabulary at the w3c that reflects what's in use as much as possible

George Thomas: i think i share the interest that david and luigi have ; would be great to have some sort of vocabulary at the w3c that reflects what's in use as much as possible

15:54:42 <edsu> cygri: agreed

Richard Cyganiak: agreed

15:55:47 <edsu> martin: i think federation is soemthing i would like to do ; i agree with vassilios with his approach

Martín Álvarez: i think federation is soemthing i would like to do ; i agree with vassilios with his approach

15:55:56 <LI_DING> I was dropped from the call

Li Ding: I was dropped from the call

15:56:46 <edsu> cygri: it might be a good next step to draft this use case as a little document, to sketch how it could look in practice as a story

Richard Cyganiak: it might be a good next step to draft this use case as a little document, to sketch how it could look in practice as a story

15:56:47 <vassilios> i could help on this

Vassilios Peristeras: i could help on this

15:57:14 <edsu> ... there are a couple of other use cases on the mailing list, maybe we can get those into written form too

... there are a couple of other use cases on the mailing list, maybe we can get those into written form too

15:57:27 <vassilios> OK

Vassilios Peristeras: OK

15:57:55 <vassilios> and i thin kit is more or less the same whether we speak about EU or USA

Vassilios Peristeras: and i thin kit is more or less the same whether we speak about EU or USA

15:58:03 <edsu> cygri: would be great if you could start it, and we could see if other use cases are covered

Richard Cyganiak: would be great if you could start it, and we could see if other use cases are covered

15:58:33 <edsu> ACTION: vassilios to document a federation use case for dcat

ACTION: vassilios to document a federation use case for dcat

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15:58:48 <george> +1

George Thomas: +1

15:58:48 <LuigiMontanez> yes, I have access

Luigi Montanez: yes, I have access

15:58:50 <LuigiMontanez> +1

Luigi Montanez: +1

15:58:52 <DavidJames> +1

David James: +1

15:58:56 <edsu> +1

+1

15:58:56 <martin> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

15:58:58 <fadi> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

15:59:03 <edsu> cygri: wiki is ok?

Richard Cyganiak: wiki is ok?

15:59:17 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements

15:59:36 <edsu> cygri: great, there is a page where i've copy pasted stuff from the email, i propose we add subsections there, use this as a live document

Richard Cyganiak: great, there is a page where i've copy pasted stuff from the email, i propose we add subsections there, use this as a live document

15:59:53 <edsu> cygri: so that's it for this week, thank you all for joining in

Richard Cyganiak: so that's it for this week, thank you all for joining in

15:59:56 <DavidJames> thanks

David James: thanks

16:00:00 <george> thank you cygri

George Thomas: thank you cygri

16:00:01 <cygri> thanks all!

Richard Cyganiak: thanks all!

16:00:06 <LuigiMontanez> thank you cygri, edsu for transcribing

Luigi Montanez: thank you cygri, edsu for transcribing

16:00:06 <vassilios> thank you!

Vassilios Peristeras: thank you!

16:00:13 <Zakim> -George

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16:00:18 <george> thanks edsu

George Thomas: thanks edsu

16:00:21 <Zakim> -LuigiMontanez

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16:00:23 <Zakim> -fadi

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16:00:25 <Zakim> -jonphipps

Zakim IRC Bot: -jonphipps

16:00:25 <edsu> np :-)

np :-)

16:00:29 <Zakim> -edsu

Zakim IRC Bot: -edsu

16:00:31 <Zakim> -??P8

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16:00:37 <Zakim> -martin

Zakim IRC Bot: -martin

16:00:39 <edsu> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

16:00:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-egov-minutes.html edsu

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-egov-minutes.html edsu

16:00:51 <Zakim> -bobbin

Zakim IRC Bot: -bobbin

16:01:05 <cygri> ok, chairing a teleconference from a conference hallway is a bad idea. i won't try that again :-)

Richard Cyganiak: ok, chairing a teleconference from a conference hallway is a bad idea. i won't try that again :-)

16:01:19 <edsu> cygri: heheh, any news from www2010?

Richard Cyganiak: heheh, any news from www2010?

16:01:21 <george> wish i was there!

George Thomas: wish i was there!

16:01:36 <bobbin> zakim?

Bobbin Teegarden: zakim?

16:02:08 <cygri> edsu, yes, many interesting things going on. great conference so far

Richard Cyganiak: edsu, yes, many interesting things going on. great conference so far

16:02:10 <edsu> shoot, the minutes don't look to good

shoot, the minutes don't look to good

16:02:17 <edsu> http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-egov-minutes.html

http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-egov-minutes.html

16:02:31 <cygri> bobbin, what do you want zakim to do?

Richard Cyganiak: bobbin, what do you want zakim to do?

16:02:51 <bobbin> +1

Bobbin Teegarden: +1

16:03:19 <edsu> cygri: it does look good

Richard Cyganiak: it does look good

16:03:26 <edsu> (the conference)

(the conference)

16:03:40 <edsu> cygri: have you and Li had a chance to chat about stuff informally?

Richard Cyganiak: have you and Li had a chance to chat about stuff informally?

16:03:40 <cygri> edsu, the minutes look good to me?

Richard Cyganiak: edsu, the minutes look good to me?

16:03:51 <edsu> oh, they do look better now when i reloaded

oh, they do look better now when i reloaded

16:04:02 <cygri> edsu, yes we had dinner yesterday and are planning a few things

Richard Cyganiak: edsu, yes we had dinner yesterday and are planning a few things

16:04:08 <edsu> cygri: nice

Richard Cyganiak: nice

16:04:26 <edsu> cygri: i think having you and Li on the same page will help a great deal

Richard Cyganiak: i think having you and Li on the same page will help a great deal

16:04:30 <Zakim> -??P7

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16:04:31 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has ended

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16:04:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.202.955.aaaa, martin, George, +03539149aabb, edsu, jonphipps, +1.425.378.aacc, +03539149aadd, fadi, LuigiMontanez, +1.202.564.aaee, brand, bobbin, davidjames,

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16:04:35 <Zakim> ... +1.518.495.aaff, LI_DING

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16:06:27 <cygri> edsu, agreed

Richard Cyganiak: edsu, agreed

16:07:03 <cygri> will go now and see if they left any lunch for me

Richard Cyganiak: will go now and see if they left any lunch for me

16:07:10 <cygri> thanks for scribing and the comments ed

Richard Cyganiak: thanks for scribing and the comments ed

17:40:23 <ww> edsu: sorry wasn't able to make it today

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Ed Summers: sorry wasn't able to make it today [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ]

17:41:05 <ww> would have liked to bring up the spatial/temporal ambiguity of dcat:granularity though

William Waites: would have liked to bring up the spatial/temporal ambiguity of dcat:granularity though

17:56:42 <ww> cygri: do you think it would be reasonable to distinguish between spatial and temporal granularity/resolution in dcat?

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Richard Cyganiak: do you think it would be reasonable to distinguish between spatial and temporal granularity/resolution in dcat? [ Scribe Assist by William Waites ]

17:58:11 <ww> (nevermind datasets that have different granularity on their different axes, which happens with some envionmental satellite datasets for example)

William Waites: (nevermind datasets that have different granularity on their different axes, which happens with some envionmental satellite datasets for example)

17:58:12 <cygri> ww, i'll have to talk to fadi to remember why we didn't distinguish them. can i get back to you about this next week?

Richard Cyganiak: ww, i'll have to talk to fadi to remember why we didn't distinguish them. can i get back to you about this next week?

17:58:27 <ww> sure no hurry

William Waites: sure no hurry

18:04:36 <ww> any thoughts on rdf:graph, rdf:Graph?

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William Waites: any thoughts on rdf:graph, rdf:Graph?

18:09:50 <cygri> ww, what are those?

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Richard Cyganiak: ww, what are those?

18:10:21 <ww> well, they don't exist, which I think is problematic

William Waites: well, they don't exist, which I think is problematic

18:10:51 <ww> using the talis changeset, vocabulary, for example, changes are expressed as additions and removals of reified triples

William Waites: using the talis changeset, vocabulary, for example, changes are expressed as additions and removals of reified triples

18:11:10 <ww> i need a way to express the graph that those triples are supposed to live in

William Waites: i need a way to express the graph that those triples are supposed to live in

18:11:19 <ww> (not strictly related to egov as such, of couse)

William Waites: (not strictly related to egov as such, of couse)

18:11:34 <ww> we have rdf:Statement, rdf:subject, rdf:predicate, rdf:object

William Waites: we have rdf:Statement, rdf:subject, rdf:predicate, rdf:object

18:11:40 <ww> but no rdf:graph

William Waites: but no rdf:graph

18:12:03 <ww> I suppose because I believe that named graphs were added after the rdf core vocabulary was etched in stone

William Waites: I suppose because I believe that named graphs were added after the rdf core vocabulary was etched in stone

18:13:19 <ww> for my immediate purposes I've invented a namespace for this, but...

William Waites: for my immediate purposes I've invented a namespace for this, but...



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