eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 24 January 2012

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Jan/0028.html
Present
Anne Washington, Bernadette Hyland, Brand Niemann, Daniel Bennett, Ed Summers, Gannon Dick, George Thomas, James Forrester, Jeanne Holm, John Erickson, Martín Álvarez, Sandro Hawke
Guests
Lee Feigenbaum, James Gardner, Makx Dekkers, Kevin Simkins
Chair
Jeanne Holm
Scribe
Sandro Hawke
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<sandro> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Jan/0028.html
<sandro> Guest: Lee Feigenbaum
<sandro> Guest: James Gardner
<sandro> Guest: Makx Dekkers
<sandro> Guest: Kevin Simkins
<sandro> Present: Anne_Washington, Bernadette_Hyland, Brand_Niemann, Daniel_Bennett, Ed_Summers, Gannon_Dick, George_Thomas, James_Forrester, Jeanne Holm, John Erickson, Martín_Álvarez, Sandro_Hawke
<sandro> chair: jeanne
<sandro> Scribe: sandro

(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)

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13:58:09 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG - Call +1.617.761.6200 code 3468 (EGOV) - Platforms for Open Data

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14:00:20 <Jeanne> P8 is me

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14:01:48 <olyerickson> Hi everyone!

John Erickson: Hi everyone!

14:01:51 <olyerickson> yep!

John Erickson: yep!

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14:02:58 <sandro> jeanne: Working on a new co-chair.   I'm looking forward to that being completed very soon.

Jeanne Holm: Working on a new co-chair. I'm looking forward to that being completed very soon.

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14:03:17 <citizencontact> .aadd is me Daniel Bennett

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14:03:19 <Zakim> -jdforrester

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14:03:22 <sandro> jeanne: When we have that, we can dig in on the plans from our TPAC meeting

Jeanne Holm: When we have that, we can dig in on the plans from our TPAC meeting

14:03:22 <jdforrester> Argh.

James Forrester: Argh.

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14:03:47 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?

John Erickson: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see sandro, +1.703.281.aaaa, +44.207.222.aabb, martin (muted), [IPcaller], olyerickson (muted), +1.571.331.aacc, LeeF, +1.202.684.aadd, +1.847.699.aaee, jdforrester

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14:03:51 <sandro> Jeanne: I'll email out some details about upcoming meetings, too.

Jeanne Holm: I'll email out some details about upcoming meetings, too.

14:04:16 <citizencontact> .aadd is Daniel Bennett

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14:04:25 <james_gardner> James Gardner (from the OKF present)

James Gardner: James Gardner (from the OKF present)

14:04:35 <sandro> zakim, aacc is bhyland

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14:04:46 <sandro> zakim, aass is DanielBennett

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14:04:49 <brand> Brand Niemann (Semantic Community) present

Brand Niemann: Brand Niemann (Semantic Community) present

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<sandro> Topic: Open Government Platform

1. Open Government Platform

14:05:19 <sandro> jeanne: Status check on US+India open data platform

Jeanne Holm: Status check on US+India open data platform

14:05:24 <sandro> jeanne: ckan

Jeanne Holm: ckan

14:05:33 <sandro> jeanne: connecting with other folks, too.

Jeanne Holm: connecting with other folks, too.

14:05:38 <james_gardner> CKAN Presentation Plan: http://ckan.okfnpad.org/egov

James Gardner: CKAN Presentation Plan: http://ckan.okfnpad.org/egov

14:06:01 <olyerickson> We need to give more feedback ;)

John Erickson: We need to give more feedback ;)

14:06:06 <sandro> jeanne: apprreciate feedback on github release

Jeanne Holm: apprreciate feedback on github release

14:06:06 <Jeanne> http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/05/datagov-goes-global

Jeanne Holm: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/05/datagov-goes-global

14:07:05 <sandro> jeanne: blog post, "data.gov goes global", platform, uses drupal

Jeanne Holm: blog post, "data.gov goes global", platform, uses drupal

14:07:21 <Jeanne> http://www.data.gov/opengovplatform

Jeanne Holm: http://www.data.gov/opengovplatform

14:07:52 <Jeanne> https://github.com/opengovplatform/opengovplatform

Jeanne Holm: https://github.com/opengovplatform/opengovplatform

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14:09:19 <sandro> jeanne: All the component pieces are or will be available

Jeanne Holm: All the component pieces are or will be available

14:09:39 <sandro> jeanne: Gov't of India will be releasing the website part of it.

Jeanne Holm: Gov't of India will be releasing the website part of it.

14:10:13 <sandro> jeanne: Anyone can create these themselves, but we wanted to make sure people who wanted wholeheartedly embrace the platform, it would be there.

Jeanne Holm: Anyone can create these themselves, but we wanted to make sure people who wanted wholeheartedly embrace the platform, it would be there.

14:10:18 <olyerickson> Comment: People should really take a look at OGPL, there are some cool features incl. workflow, etc

John Erickson: People should really take a look at OGPL, there are some cool features incl. workflow, etc

14:10:28 <sandro> jeanne: 3rd piece is Communities (of Interest)

Jeanne Holm: 3rd piece is Communities (of Interest)

14:10:36 <sandro> ... just launched "Education" community

... just launched "Education" community

14:10:48 <sandro> s/Comment://
14:11:21 <sandro> ... we want the Communities part in the base, and will put that out soon

... we want the Communities part in the base, and will put that out soon

14:11:33 <sandro> ... So, we've got those three parts

... So, we've got those three parts

14:11:54 <sandro> ... We're working to get these into the hands of developers who can use it, improve it.

... We're working to get these into the hands of developers who can use it, improve it.

14:12:26 <olyerickson> There has been very little activity on OGPL Github issues list, people need to be posting there https://github.com/opengovplatform/opengovplatform/issues

John Erickson: There has been very little activity on OGPL Github issues list, people need to be posting there https://github.com/opengovplatform/opengovplatform/issues

14:12:34 <sandro> ... In our own case, for data.gov, we have a lot amount of geospacial data, and use socrata (for interaction with data, on the site), maybe other commercial add-ons -- fitting in with Open Source platform.

... In our own case, for data.gov, we have a lot amount of geospacial data, and use socrata (for interaction with data, on the site), maybe other commercial add-ons -- fitting in with Open Source platform.

14:12:51 <sandro> ... Hoping to have this operational by June.

... Hoping to have this operational by June.

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14:13:15 <edsu> zakim, IPcaller.a is edsu

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14:13:32 <sandro> ,,,any questions?

,,,any questions?

14:13:39 <sandro> bhyland: Who is the "we" there...?

Bernadette Hyland: Who is the "we" there...?

14:14:07 <sandro> ... communities and open-source projects often have people's names associated with them.    this seems a bit antiseptic for open source.

... communities and open-source projects often have people's names associated with them. this seems a bit antiseptic for open source.

14:14:26 <olyerickson> Link on OGPL site to NIC appears broken; should it be http://www.nic.in/

John Erickson: Link on OGPL site to NIC appears broken; should it be http://www.nic.in/

14:15:22 <sandro> jeanne: Good point, thanks.    "We" on the US side is the 5-person data.gov team, ...

Jeanne Holm: Good point, thanks. "We" on the US side is the 5-person data.gov team, ...

14:15:54 <sandro> ... Chris M. uploaded the content, but .. etc..

... Chris M. uploaded the content, but .. etc..

14:15:56 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.

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14:16:01 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

14:16:14 <citizencontact> please mute if not talking

Daniel Bennett: please mute if not talking

14:16:21 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.

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14:16:35 <sandro> bhyland: I'd appreciate seeing the names of people who can be contacted, for actually open source collaboration.

Bernadette Hyland: I'd appreciate seeing the names of people who can be contacted, for actually open source collaboration.

14:17:38 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q?

14:18:02 <sandro> jeanne: mailing list next week.

Jeanne Holm: mailing list next week.

14:18:05 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.

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14:19:04 <sandro> Arg -- John, you're breaking up again!

Arg -- John, you're breaking up again!

14:19:10 <sandro> (now you're back)

(now you're back)

14:19:47 <brand> Do you have Data Scientists on the Team? I am working with a Community of Practice on Analytics for Government that is working on the Data.gov and other public data sets in this way

Brand Niemann: Do you have Data Scientists on the Team? I am working with a Community of Practice on Analytics for Government that is working on the Data.gov and other public data sets in this way

14:20:02 <sandro> olyerickson: One of my colleagues is having trouble interacting with the developers, not getting feedback when they raise issues, etc --- this is important to getting the community running.

John Erickson: One of my colleagues is having trouble interacting with the developers, not getting feedback when they raise issues, etc --- this is important to getting the community running.

14:20:09 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me please.

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14:20:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute me please', olyerickson

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14:20:17 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.

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14:20:52 <sandro> bhyland, feedback has to be withing 48 hrs.

bhyland, feedback has to be withing 48 hrs.

14:21:08 <olyerickson> Community needs to provide timely feedback; team needs to respond

John Erickson: Community needs to provide timely feedback; team needs to respond

14:21:44 <olyerickson> Brand: jst posted w.r.t. data scientist engagement

Brand Niemann: jst posted w.r.t. data scientist engagement [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

14:21:52 <olyerickson> ... book on data science

John Erickson: ... book on data science

14:21:58 <olyerickson> ... looking to build community

John Erickson: ... looking to build community

14:22:07 <olyerickson>  Q: what do we mean by "data science"

John Erickson: Q: what do we mean by "data science"

14:22:21 <olyerickson> ... scientist data science or analytics data science

John Erickson: ... scientist data science or analytics data science

14:22:30 <brand> http://semanticommunity.info/AOL_Government/Data_Science_for_the_Government_Community

Brand Niemann: http://semanticommunity.info/AOL_Government/Data_Science_for_the_Government_Community

14:22:30 <olyerickson> yes

John Erickson: yes

14:22:45 <olyerickson> any more great suggestions?>

John Erickson: any more great suggestions?>

14:22:52 <olyerickson> (none provided)

John Erickson: (none provided)

14:23:08 <olyerickson> moving forward, partrnering with "a couple" governments

John Erickson: moving forward, partrnering with "a couple" governments

14:23:18 <olyerickson> NIC (India) will be leading htis

John Erickson: NIC (India) will be leading htis

14:23:36 <olyerickson> hopefully developing country/countries

John Erickson: hopefully developing country/countries

14:24:07 <olyerickson> Another thing: for any who have done open data site, know that policy is half the work

John Erickson: Another thing: for any who have done open data site, know that policy is half the work

14:24:24 <olyerickson> ... will be putting up examples of things to think about w.er.t. policy

John Erickson: ... will be putting up examples of things to think about w.er.t. policy

14:24:42 <olyerickson> ... need to put up case studies, exemplars

John Erickson: ... need to put up case studies, exemplars

14:24:56 <olyerickson> ... successful open govt initives (not jst open data)

John Erickson: ... successful open govt initives (not jst open data)

14:25:14 <olyerickson> .... ?? from ??? university will be invited to speak on eGov in future

John Erickson: .... ?? from ??? university will be invited to speak on eGov in future

14:25:29 <olyerickson> ... would be helped to have checklist, not jst the code

John Erickson: ... would be helped to have checklist, not jst the code

14:25:41 <olyerickson> @bhyland strongly in support

John Erickson: @bhyland strongly in support

14:25:42 <Jeanne> Tomasz Jankoski from UN University

Jeanne Holm: Tomasz Janowski from UN University

14:26:36 <olyerickson> ... need to bring out use cases, identify value proposition, what are the examples/exemplars

John Erickson: ... need to bring out use cases, identify value proposition, what are the examples/exemplars

14:26:47 <sandro> s/Tomasz Jankoski/Tomasz Janowski/
14:27:10 <jdforrester> Zakim, q+

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14:27:10 <Zakim> I see olyerickson, jdforrester on the speaker queue

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14:27:14 <olyerickson> ... EU-funded orbit have made good progress, but had guidance/help

John Erickson: ... EU-funded orbit have made good progress, but had guidance/help

14:27:24 <olyerickson> q-

John Erickson: q-

14:27:45 <olyerickson> re virtual, yes --- there better be ;)

John Erickson: re virtual, yes --- there better be ;)

14:28:32 <olyerickson> zakim, am I muted?

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14:29:21 <sandro> jdforrester: We've made lots of progress on policy, happy to share.   Some nervousness about which way to go with linked data

James Forrester: We've made lots of progress on policy, happy to share. Some nervousness about which way to go with linked data

14:29:22 <edsu> Jim

Ed Summers: Jim

14:29:34 <jdforrester> James. :-)

James Forrester: James. :-)

14:29:39 <edsu> :)

Ed Summers: :)

14:29:42 <james_gardner> Hi James, nice to see our paths crossing again.

James Gardner: Hi James, nice to see our paths crossing again.

14:29:49 <jdforrester> (Hey James G.)

James Forrester: (Hey James G.)

14:30:02 <sandro> jeanne: collecting case studies, value proposition.

Jeanne Holm: collecting case studies, value proposition.

14:30:50 <sandro> jeanne: There tends to need to be one person who gathers/edits/re-distributes -- coordinating

Bernadette Hyland: There tends to need to be one person who gathers/edits/re-distributes -- coordinating

14:30:59 <sandro> s/jeanne/bhyland
14:31:10 <sandro> bhyland: James, if you have stuff to share, please do.

Bernadette Hyland: James, if you have stuff to share, please do.

14:31:40 <sandro> bhyland: heard people saying "No, I don't want white papers.   A short briefing, with links, is better."

Bernadette Hyland: heard people saying "No, I don't want white papers. A short briefing, with links, is better."

14:32:16 <olyerickson> James, your voice broke up

John Erickson: James, your voice broke up

14:32:28 <sandro> jdforrester, sorry, your audio is breaking up

jdforrester, sorry, your audio is breaking up

14:32:33 <jdforrester> Sorry for audio issues.

James Forrester: Sorry for audio issues.

14:32:52 <jdforrester> For the minutes: Very happy to speak off-line about what works well in terms of policy form-factor for this.

James Forrester: For the minutes: Very happy to speak off-line about what works well in terms of policy form-factor for this.

14:32:57 <sandro> bhyland: Maybe email team-gld-chairs@w3.org

Bernadette Hyland: Maybe email team-gld-chairs@w3.org

14:33:06 <edsu> q+

Ed Summers: q+

14:33:10 <jdforrester> q-

James Forrester: q-

14:33:13 <sandro> jeanne: Other comments/thoughts on Open Government Platform

Jeanne Holm: Other comments/thoughts on Open Government Platform

14:33:30 <olyerickson> No further suggestions from TWC RPI

John Erickson: No further suggestions from TWC RPI

14:33:40 <sandro> edsu: Sorry I'm late, but did you talk about conversations with Rufus & CKAN folks?

Ed Summers: Sorry I'm late, but did you talk about conversations with Rufus & CKAN folks?

14:33:49 <sandro> jeanne: Next on the agenda....!

Jeanne Holm: Next on the agenda....!

14:34:18 <sandro> jeanne: The early data.gov folks were not aware of ckan.  Might have used it, if they had been.

Jeanne Holm: The early data.gov folks were not aware of ckan. Might how used it, if they had been.

14:34:42 <sandro> jeanne: But now we're coordinating.   follow-on meetings.

Jeanne Holm: But now we're coordinating. follow-on meetings.

14:35:10 <sandro> topic: CKAN

2. CKAN

14:35:26 <james_gardner> http://ckan.okfnpad.org/egov

James Gardner: http://ckan.okfnpad.org/egov

14:36:05 <olyerickson> Some are familiar, some aren't

John Erickson: Some are familiar, some aren't

14:36:07 <sandro> james_gardner: Have familiar are folks with ckan

James Gardner: Have familiar are folks with ckan

14:36:23 <edsu> brief overview would be good

Ed Summers: brief overview would be good

14:36:29 <sandro> s/have/how/
14:36:53 <sandro> james_gardner: I work for Open Knowledge Foundation.

James Gardner: I work for Open Knowledge Foundation.

14:37:10 <sandro> james_gardner: use slides at http://jimmyg.org/download/egov/1-okf.pdf to start

James Gardner: use slides at http://jimmyg.org/download/egov/1-okf.pdf to start

14:37:17 <brand> See http://semanticommunity.info/Build_CKAN_in_the_Cloud for my involvement

Brand Niemann: See http://semanticommunity.info/Build_CKAN_in_the_Cloud for my involvement

14:37:41 <sandro> james_gardner: Find, share data, collaborate, ecosystem

James Gardner: Find, share data, collaborate, ecosystem

14:38:04 <sandro> james_gardner: datahub.org public contrib site

James Gardner: datahub.org public contrib site

14:38:34 <sandro> james_gardner: much like socrata functionality.    fully open source.

James Gardner: much like socrata functionality. fully open source.

14:39:24 <sandro> james_gardner: Able to search datasets by geo bounding box

James Gardner: Able to search datasets by geo bounding box

14:40:14 <citizencontact> just retry/reload

Daniel Bennett: just retry/reload

14:40:53 <sandro> james_gardner: Slide 4, other catalogs, about where data comes from.

James Gardner: Slide 4, other catalogs, about where data comes from.

14:41:04 <sandro> ... helping with ecosystem

... helping with ecosystem

14:41:22 <sandro> ... "is it open data" to help presure folks to open data

... "is it open data" to help presure folks to open data

14:41:37 <sandro> ... Loads of people have built apps on this

... Loads of people have built apps on this

14:42:00 <sandro> ... 30 instances world-wide, eg data.gov.uk, manchester, etc

... 30 instances world-wide, eg data.gov.uk, manchester, etc

14:42:13 <edsu> http://publicdata.eu/

Ed Summers: http://publicdata.eu/

14:42:14 <sandro> ... RDF export of certain common dataset properties (side 7)

... RDF export of certain common dataset properties (side 7)

14:42:25 <sandro> ... uses dcat

... uses dcat

14:42:41 <sandro> ... harvesting architecture

... harvesting architecture

14:43:17 <sandro> ... big problem -- catalogs tend to be silos of their own data.   ckan has harvesting interface, where you register a data source and we'll go get the data out.

... big problem -- catalogs tend to be silos of their own data. ckan has harvesting interface, where you register a data source and we'll go get the data out.

14:43:32 <olyerickson> Are we supposed to be clicking through all these PDFs?

John Erickson: Are we supposed to be clicking through all these PDFs?

14:43:37 <sandro> olyerickson, yes.

olyerickson, yes.

14:44:09 <sandro> james_gardner: We can write a harvester for catalogs pretty easily, in general.

James Gardner: We can write a harvester for catalogs pretty easily, in general.

14:44:56 <olyerickson> What slide are we on?

John Erickson: What slide are we on?

14:44:59 <sandro> james_gardner: REST API, CVS, ...    rich publishing workflows, drupal integration

James Gardner: REST API, CVS, ... rich publishing workflows, drupal integration

14:45:11 <sandro> james_gardner: might be scope to collaborate there.

James Gardner: might be scope to collaborate there.

14:45:24 <sandro> ... that's the quick overview.  Questions...?

... that's the quick overview. Questions...?

14:45:33 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

14:45:41 <sandro> bhyland: thanks!

Bernadette Hyland: thanks!

14:46:24 <sandro> brand: Lucy Chambers, your community person, is one of your strongest features.   And Sam, and Mark.   Half the team is Community Development folks.

Brand Niemann: Lucy Chambers, your community person, is one of your strongest features. And Sam, and Mark. Half the team is Community Development folks.

14:46:38 <sandro> brand: Plus half-dev/have community-coordinator people.

Brand Niemann: Plus half-dev/have community-coordinator people.

14:46:47 <bhyland> @jdforrester - what is the size of the core OKF team, including developers/contributors & Lucy type people?

Bernadette Hyland: @jdforrester - what is the size of the core OKF team, including developers/contributors & Lucy type people?

14:47:06 <jdforrester> bhyland, I think you mean @james_gardner. :-)

James Forrester: bhyland, I think you mean @james_gardner. :-)

14:47:12 <sandro> james_gardner:  And Sam, and Mark.   Half the team is Community Development folks.    (3-4 of ten)   Plus half-dev/have community-coordinator people.

James Gardner: And Sam, and Mark. Half the team is Community Development folks. (3-4 of ten) Plus half-dev/have community-coordinator people.

14:47:26 <sandro> james_gardner: For some people, it is their full-time job.

James Gardner: For some people, it is their full-time job.

14:47:33 <sandro> bhyland: Funding?

Bernadette Hyland: Funding?

14:47:50 <sandro> james_gardner: Some Grant funding, eg Rufus from Shuttlesworth Foundation

James Gardner: Some Grant funding, eg Rufus from Shuttlesworth Foundation

14:48:02 <edsu> q+ to ask about harvesting

Ed Summers: q+ to ask about harvesting

14:48:12 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.

John Erickson: zakim, unmute me.

14:48:12 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted

14:48:15 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

14:48:27 <citizencontact> Darth?

Daniel Bennett: Darth?

14:48:27 <sandro> james_gardner: Our main goal is to see the spread of open data.   People who might seem to be rivals, often we can easily turn into allies and work together

James Gardner: Our main goal is to see the spread of open data. People who might seem to be rivals, often we can easily turn into allies and work together

14:48:47 <edsu> olyerickson: i think you might need to mute :)

John Erickson: i think you might need to mute :) [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

14:48:52 <olyerickson> arrghh

John Erickson: arrghh

14:48:57 <George> q+ - module CKAN module update for D7?

George Thomas: q+ - module CKAN module update for D7?

14:48:58 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.

John Erickson: zakim, mute me.

14:49:00 <bhyland> @jdforrester, OKF and CKAN are the gold standard for open content development & community building.

Bernadette Hyland: @james_gardner, OKF and CKAN are the gold standard for open content development & community building.

14:49:01 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted

14:49:06 <George> q+

George Thomas: q+

14:49:12 <olyerickson> q-

John Erickson: q-

14:49:18 <sandro> (Yes, it was you, olyerickson  :-(   )

(Yes, it was you, olyerickson :-( )

14:49:24 <edsu> olyerickson: didn't want you not to ask a question though :(

John Erickson: didn't want you not to ask a question though :( [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

14:49:37 <sandro> Jeanne: james_gardner can you explain how the community engagement occurs?

Jeanne Holm: james_gardner can you explain how the community engagement occurs?

14:50:01 <olyerickson>  Question: What is the status of the follw-up to the (great) catalog metadata workshop in Edinburgh (May 2011)

John Erickson: Question: What is the status of the follw-up to the (great) catalog metadata workshop in Edinburgh (May 2011)

14:50:09 <olyerickson> s/wat/what/

John Erickson: s/wat/what/ (warning: replacement failed)

14:50:20 <olyerickson> s/Wat/What/

John Erickson: s/Wat/What/ (warning: replacement failed)

14:50:23 <sandro> james_gardner: On developer level, events in london or around the world, we run into people who are doing similar things.   well-architected plug-in architecture.

James Gardner: On developer level, events in london or around the world, we run into people who are doing similar things. well-architected plug-in architecture.

14:50:33 <sandro> james_gardner: plus people start installing it, and have questions.

James Gardner: plus people start installing it, and have questions.

14:50:58 <olyerickson>  Question: Is James aware of W3C GLD WG pushing foward with DCAT draft

John Erickson: Question: Is James aware of W3C GLD WG pushing foward with DCAT draft

14:51:04 <sandro> james_gardner: Open Government Conferences.    All through networking.    Strong community basis, so we find out about stuff pretty quickly.

James Gardner: Open Government Conferences. All through networking. Strong community basis, so we find out about stuff pretty quickly.

14:51:25 <sandro> ... mission is about open data, not just ckan.

... mission is about open data, not just ckan.

14:51:52 <sandro> james_gardner: datacatalogs.org

James Gardner: datacatalogs.org

14:52:23 <olyerickson> Partial answer

John Erickson: Partial answer

14:52:29 <bhyland> @sandro - so when you download the 7.1MB file James provided, did you get only one page too?

Bernadette Hyland: @sandro - so when you download the 7.1MB file James provided, did you get only one page too?

14:52:39 <sandro> Jeanne: Great.    That answers what happened following up the catalog metadata workshop in eninborough

Jeanne Holm: Great. That answers what happened following up the catalog metadata workshop in Edinborough

14:52:46 <sandro> s/enin/Edin/
14:52:47 <bhyland> @sandro, I didn't get a timeout, it looks like file is only 1 page, yes?

Bernadette Hyland: @sandro, I didn't get a timeout, it looks like file is only 1 page, yes?

14:52:56 <olyerickson> Not right now

John Erickson: Not right now

14:52:58 <citizencontact> What version of HTML do the sites use?

Daniel Bennett: What version of HTML do the sites use?

14:53:07 <olyerickson> Ekiga is flakey :(

John Erickson: Ekiga is flakey :(

14:53:10 <sandro> bhyland, only one worked for me, and it was only one page, yes.

bhyland, only one worked for me, and it was only one page, yes.

14:53:26 <olyerickson> DCAT moving forward?

John Erickson: DCAT moving forward?

14:53:28 <gdick> me too 7.1 MB 1 page

Gannon Dick: me too 7.1 MB 1 page

14:53:39 <sandro> james_gardner: What's the intention of Open Govet Platform -- collab with CKAN.

James Gardner: What's the intention of Open Govet Platform -- collab with CKAN.

14:53:39 <olyerickson> can I try speaking>

John Erickson: can I try speaking>

14:53:53 <citizencontact> hmmmm

Daniel Bennett: hmmmm

14:54:43 <sandro> Jeanne: We had a call last week with Rufus, and 3-4 others from CKAN, to get OGP folks familiar with CKAN.   Trying to figure out how to get synnergy.    Folks are looking at this, will report back.  In exploration phase.

Jeanne Holm: We had a call last week with Rufus, and 3-4 others from CKAN, to get OGP folks familiar with CKAN. Trying to figure out how to get synnergy. Folks are looking at this, will report back. In exploration phase.

14:55:08 <citizencontact> looks like RDFa

Daniel Bennett: looks like RDFa

14:55:21 <olyerickson> @bhyland you have to go to the Titanpad aURL

John Erickson: @bhyland you have to go to the Titanpad aURL

14:55:24 <edsu> q+

Ed Summers: q+

14:55:31 <olyerickson> in there is a list of severl slides

John Erickson: in there is a list of severl slides

14:55:35 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:55:56 <sandro> edsu: thanks for the nice overview.  I've been following ckan for some years, but I didnt know some of those details.

Ed Summers: thanks for the nice overview. I've been following ckan for some years, but I didnt know some of those details.

14:56:02 <citizencontact> with XHTML strict or not so

Daniel Bennett: with XHTML strict or not so

14:56:17 <sandro> ... I remember from the past you had lots of description of where data was on the web, but not necessarily the data itself

... I remember from the past you had lots of description of where data was on the web, but not necessarily the data itself

14:57:09 <olyerickson> Frustrated that it doesn't allow RDF bulk load

John Erickson: Frustrated that it doesn't allow RDF bulk load

14:57:10 <sandro> james_gardner: True.  We're moving to the WebStore, with REST API, so folks can build more apps based on the data -- not just quality metadata any more.

James Gardner: True. We're moving to the WebStore, with REST API, so folks can build more apps based on the data -- not just quality metadata any more.

14:57:23 <sandro> james_gardner: WebStore is a CKAN extension, like pretty much everything else.

James Gardner: WebStore is a CKAN extension, like pretty much everything else.

14:57:37 <sandro> ... might move into core at some point

... might move into core at some point

14:57:47 <sandro> james_gardner: It's a different github repository

James Gardner: It's a different github repository

14:58:08 <james_gardner> http://wiki.ckan.org/List_of_Extensions

James Gardner: http://wiki.ckan.org/List_of_Extensions

14:58:25 <sandro> lod2

lod2

14:59:17 <sandro> james_gardner: We can ckan-ify lots of different data sources view the ckan harvesting interface.

James Gardner: We can ckan-ify lots of different data sources via the ckan harvesting interface.

14:59:30 <bhyland> s/jdforrester/james_gardner
14:59:32 <sandro> s/view/via
15:00:02 <bhyland> s/jdforrester/james_gardner/
15:00:02 <Zakim> - +1.509.464.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.464.aaff

15:00:32 <sandro> james_gardner: We just write two hook functions for converting from other data sources.

James Gardner: We just write two hook functions for converting from other data sources.

15:00:58 <sandro> james_gardner: plus dcat import and export

James Gardner: plus dcat import and export

15:01:02 <olyerickson> Whoa, repeat that bit about DCAT inpout./export

John Erickson: Whoa, repeat that bit about DCAT inpout./export

15:01:22 <citizencontact> General invitation to all for Washington, DC event on Feb. 2nd (note that there should be a webcast) http://cha.house.gov/about/contact-us/legislative-data-conference

Daniel Bennett: General invitation to all for Washington, DC event on Feb. 2nd (note that there should be a webcast) http://cha.house.gov/about/contact-us/legislative-data-conference

15:01:30 <james_gardner> https://github.com/okfn/

James Gardner: https://github.com/okfn/

15:02:04 <james_gardner> https://github.com/okfn/ckanext-harvest

James Gardner: https://github.com/okfn/ckanext-harvest

15:02:22 <olyerickson>  Question: How are you getting your havesting targets?

John Erickson: Question: How are you getting your havesting targets?

15:02:31 <sandro> james_gardner: We can certainly do harvester to share data with your platform

James Gardner: We can certainly do harvester to share data with your platform

15:02:49 <bhyland> @james_gardner - thanks for a great detailed talk on CKAN.  I'm glad to have connected with you.  I have to drop off the call because I have another call.

Bernadette Hyland: @james_gardner - thanks for a great detailed talk on CKAN. I'm glad to have connected with you. I have to drop off the call because I have another call.

15:03:05 <annew> exit

Anne Washington: exit

15:03:20 <sandro> james_gardner: moving more toward jsonp/REST

James Gardner: moving more toward jsonp/REST

15:03:29 <olyerickson> what is james' email

John Erickson: what is james' email

15:03:32 <citizencontact> hi bye anne

Daniel Bennett: hi bye anne

15:03:38 <james_gardner> james.gardner@okfn.org

James Gardner: james.gardner@okfn.org

15:03:48 <sandro> Jeanne: more questions for james?

Jeanne Holm: more questions for james?

15:03:58 <olyerickson> Thanks, James!

John Erickson: Thanks, James!

15:04:03 <sandro> Jeanne: Thanks!   Happy we're collaborating!

Jeanne Holm: Thanks! Happy we're collaborating!

15:04:07 <sandro> (indeed, thanks!)

(indeed, thanks!)

15:04:30 <Zakim> + +44.786.783.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.786.783.aahh

15:04:30 <Makx> can i report on ADMS in europe

Makx Dekkers: can i report on ADMS in europe

15:04:36 <sandro> Jeanne: For this IG, I'm looking at the major components.  Not just open data, even though we're kind of self-selecting for that right now.

Jeanne Holm: For this IG, I'm looking at the major components. Not just open data, even though we're kind of self-selecting for that right now.

15:04:40 <Zakim> -George_Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: -George_Thomas

15:04:45 <sandro> jeanne: Maybe more on *policy*

Jeanne Holm: Maybe more on *policy*

15:05:17 <sandro> jeanne: I'll put time on the next agenda for folks to report out on what their doing.  If you have a topic, let me know.

Jeanne Holm: I'll put time on the next agenda for folks to report out on what their doing. If you have a topic, let me know.

15:05:18 <olyerickson> Is this the current address for James_Gardner?  james@3aims.com

John Erickson: Is this the current address for James_Gardner?  james@3aims.com

15:05:26 <edsu> another area we could collaborate is the policy/case_study content, i bet okfn has collected some of this already

Ed Summers: another area we could collaborate is the policy/case_study content, i bet okfn has collected some of this already

15:05:36 <sandro> Jeanne: Other topics?

Jeanne Holm: Other topics?

15:05:42 <citizencontact> hi

Daniel Bennett: hi

15:05:47 <jdforrester> I definitely think a move to capture policy areas as well would be helpful.

James Forrester: I definitely think a move to capture policy areas as well would be helpful.

15:05:49 <james_gardner> james@3aims.com works too, but my OKF address is james.gardner@okfn.org, probably best to use that.

James Gardner: james@3aims.com works too, but my OKF address is james.gardner@okfn.org, probably best to use that.

15:05:53 <edsu> i'd like to hear about the state of dcat at some point

Ed Summers: i'd like to hear about the state of dcat at some point

15:05:55 <jdforrester> (Sorry audio still an issue.)

James Forrester: (Sorry audio still an issue.)

15:06:03 <olyerickson>  Suggestion: OGPL status/extensions

John Erickson: Suggestion: OGPL status/extensions

15:06:18 <citizencontact> what are the deliverables?

Daniel Bennett: what are the deliverables?

15:06:42 <olyerickson> @citizencontact this is an IG so no deliverables

John Erickson: @citizencontact this is an IG so no deliverables

15:06:54 <sandro> Jeanne: New poll on meeting times.   Might do two meetings per month, but with different times, with one more suitable in other parts of the world.

Jeanne Holm: New poll on meeting times. Might do two meetings per month, but with different times, with one more suitable in other parts of the world.

15:07:04 <citizencontact> announcement

Daniel Bennett: announcement

15:07:17 <Makx> Can I talk about ADMS?

Makx Dekkers: Can I talk about ADMS?

15:07:24 <citizencontact> +citizencontact

Daniel Bennett: +citizencontact

15:07:27 <sandro> ed: Planning anything for the Web Conference?

Ed Summers: Planning anything for the Web Conference?

15:07:38 <sandro> (The Web Conference is *NOT* a W3C thing.)

(The Web Conference is *NOT* a W3C thing.)

15:08:19 <citizencontact> add to queue please. forgot the format

Daniel Bennett: add to queue please. forgot the format

15:08:47 <olyerickson> zakim, add citizencontact to the queue.

John Erickson: zakim, add citizencontact to the queue.

15:08:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'add citizencontact to the queue', olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'add citizencontact to the queue', olyerickson

15:09:05 <jdforrester> citizencontact, "+ q" without the space.

James Forrester: citizencontact, "+ q" without the space.

15:09:11 <citizencontact> +q

Daniel Bennett: +q

15:09:14 <citizencontact> thanks

Daniel Bennett: thanks

15:09:32 <brand> I suggest we work for a balance between technology, policy, and applications that provide ROI in our meetings and products

Brand Niemann: I suggest we work for a balance between technology, policy, and applications that provide ROI in our meetings and products

15:09:43 <edsu> Jeanne: that's great news

Jeanne Holm: that's great news [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:09:56 <olyerickson> Please repeat where?

John Erickson: Please repeat where?

15:10:02 <edsu> july 10-12, washington dc?

Ed Summers: july 10-12, washington dc?

15:10:06 <citizencontact> link to information please

Daniel Bennett: link to information please

15:10:19 <citizencontact> thanks for the save the date

Daniel Bennett: thanks for the save the date

15:10:35 <Jeanne> Save the date July 10-12 in Washington DC for the next International Open Government Data conference.

Jeanne Holm: Save the date July 10-12 in Washington DC for the next International Open Government Data conference.

15:11:02 <sandro> edsu, it's "International World Wide Web Conferences Committee" as per http://www2012.wwwconference.org

edsu, it's "International World Wide Web Conferences Committee" as per http://www2012.wwwconference.org

15:11:18 <Makx> I wanted to share that ADMS is open for public comment: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/release/08

Makx Dekkers: I wanted to share that ADMS is open for public comment: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/release/08

15:11:18 <olyerickson> @Jeanne I'll make sure we have ;lots to show

John Erickson: @Jeanne I'll make sure we have ;lots to show

15:11:24 <sandro> Jeanne: Other announcements

Jeanne Holm: Other announcements

15:11:26 <sandro> q?

q?

15:11:39 <sandro> q- edsu

q- edsu

15:11:54 <sandro> q- George

q- George

15:11:56 <Makx> q

Makx Dekkers: q

15:11:58 <sandro> ack citizencontact

ack citizencontact

15:12:00 <Zakim> -jdforrester

Zakim IRC Bot: -jdforrester

15:12:06 <jdforrester> Bah.

James Forrester: Bah.

15:12:13 <sandro> citizencontact: this is Daniel Bennett.    Feb 2nd

Daniel Bennett: this is Daniel Bennett. Feb 2nd

15:12:29 <Zakim> +??P42

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42

15:12:31 <sandro> ... Data and Document transparency by (US) Congress.

... Data and Document transparency by (US) Congress.

15:12:33 <jdforrester> Zakim, p42 is me

James Forrester: Zakim, p42 is me

15:12:33 <Zakim> sorry, jdforrester, I do not recognize a party named 'p42'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jdforrester, I do not recognize a party named 'p42'

15:12:36 <jdforrester> Zakim, ??p42 is me

James Forrester: Zakim, ??p42 is me

15:12:37 <Zakim> +jdforrester; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jdforrester; got it

15:12:44 <sandro> ... I'll be on the panel talking about HTML5 and Video

... I'll be on the panel talking about HTML5 and Video

15:12:54 <edsu> sandro: thanks re: wwwconference.org ; you learn something every day :)

Sandro Hawke: thanks re: wwwconference.org ; you learn something every day :) [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:13:26 <edsu> interplanetary parliaments?

Ed Summers: interplanetary parliaments?

15:13:36 <edsu> did i hear that right?

Ed Summers: did i hear that right?

15:13:38 <sandro> ... Also I'll be attending a conf at the end o fhte week, Interplanetrary Parliament

... Also I'll be attending a conf at the end o fhte week, Interplanetrary Parliament

15:13:45 <edsu> hah, awesome :)

Ed Summers: hah, awesome :)

15:13:57 <sandro> ... related to UN, hosted by (US) House of Representatives.

... related to UN, hosted by (US) House of Representatives.

15:14:17 <james_gardner> The webstore I mentioned has its own page at http://wiki.ckan.org/Webstore (it isn't on the extensions page)

James Gardner: The webstore I mentioned has its own page at http://wiki.ckan.org/Webstore (it isn't on the extensions page)

15:14:43 <sandro> citizencontact: I'll post more info as I get it to the email list.

Daniel Bennett: I'll post more info as I get it to the email list.

15:14:44 <james_gardner> See also: http://webstore.readthedocs.org/en/latest/

James Gardner: See also: http://webstore.readthedocs.org/en/latest/

15:15:26 <sandro> citizencontact: The Feb2 is open to everyone, I sent something to the list about a week ago, it's open to all.   THe end of month one is probably closed, but some showing from W3C could be good.

Daniel Bennett: The Feb2 is open to everyone, I sent something to the list about a week ago, it's open to all. THe end of month one is probably closed, but some showing from W3C could be good.

15:15:42 <citizencontact> daniel@citizencontact.com

Daniel Bennett: daniel@citizencontact.com

15:15:52 <sandro> q?

q?

15:16:01 <sandro> Jeanne: Anyone other announcements?

Jeanne Holm: Anyone other announcements?

15:16:03 <Makx> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/release/08

Makx Dekkers: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/release/08

15:16:04 <Zakim> -jdforrester

Zakim IRC Bot: -jdforrester

15:16:24 <sandro> Jeanne: Thanks for ADMS links.

Jeanne Holm: Thanks for ADMS links.

15:16:58 <sandro> Jeanne: Thanks everyone!  We'll reconvene in the next month.  Next speaker will be Tomasz Janowski of UN University.

Jeanne Holm: Thanks everyone! We'll reconvene in the next month. Next speaker will be Tomasz Janowski of UN University.

15:17:10 <KevinSimkins> Have a great day everyone

Kevin Simkins: Have a great day everyone

15:17:12 <sandro> ADJOURN

ADJOURN

15:17:13 <olyerickson> Thanks Jeanne!!!

John Erickson: Thanks Jeanne!!!

15:17:16 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson

15:17:17 <KevinSimkins> thx Jeanne

Kevin Simkins: thx Jeanne

15:17:19 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro

15:17:22 <Zakim> - +1.413.652.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.413.652.aagg

15:17:23 <jdforrester> Thanks Jeanne, everyone.

James Forrester: Thanks Jeanne, everyone.

15:17:23 <Zakim> -DanielBennett

Zakim IRC Bot: -DanielBennett

15:17:24 <Zakim> -??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P18

15:17:25 <Zakim> -edsu

Zakim IRC Bot: -edsu

15:17:28 <Zakim> - +44.207.222.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.207.222.aabb

15:17:29 <Zakim> -martin

Zakim IRC Bot: -martin

15:17:31 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:17:32 <Zakim> - +1.847.699.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.847.699.aaee

15:18:09 <Zakim> - +1.703.281.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.703.281.aaaa

15:18:23 <Zakim> - +44.786.783.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.786.783.aahh

15:18:26 <Zakim> Team_(egov)14:00Z has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(egov)14:00Z has ended

15:18:27 <Zakim> Attendees were sandro, +1.703.281.aaaa, +44.207.222.aabb, jdforrester?, [IPcaller], martin, olyerickson, +1.571.331.aacc, +1.202.684.aadd, LeeF, +1.847.699.aaee, jdforrester,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were sandro, +1.703.281.aaaa, +44.207.222.aabb, jdforrester?, [IPcaller], martin, olyerickson, +1.571.331.aacc, +1.202.684.aadd, LeeF, +1.847.699.aaee, jdforrester,

15:18:31 <Zakim> ... bhyland, DanielBennett, +1.509.464.aaff, George_Thomas, +1.413.652.aagg, edsu, +44.786.783.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bhyland, DanielBennett, +1.509.464.aaff, George_Thomas, +1.413.652.aagg, edsu, +44.786.783.aahh



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