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WCAG WG Weekly Telecon

23 Feb 2006

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly, Michael_Cooper, Judy, Sorcha_Moore, Tim_Boland, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Scano, John_Slatin, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Andi_Snow_Weaver, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Becky_Gibson, Sofia_Celic, Kerstin_Goldsmith
Regrets
Luca_Mascaro, Roberto_Castaldo, Roberto_Ellero
Chair
Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
Scribe
Michael, Andi

Contents


Discussion of Candidate Reccomendation Phase

See message at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0382.html

Unanimous Consent Items

Using the summary attribute of the table element to give an overview of data tables, Providing a label for groups of radio buttons or checkboxes using the fieldset and legend elements, How to meet 3.1.1, Using lang attribute on HTML element, Using DIR attribute of HTML element, HTML tech: using lang attribute to identify changes, Adding DIR attribute to block-level element, Providing def. of word or phrase used in an usual or restricted way, using inline definitions, HTML: Using element, Definition lists, Link element for glossary, alt for element, Placing interactive elements in an order that follows sequences and relationships, Creating logical tab order, failure due to using tabindex to create tab order that doesn’t follow elationships and sequences in content, Using the body of the object element, Validating delivery units, Failure due to including scrolling content where there is not a mechanism to pause and restart the content, Providing a mechanism to postpone any updating of content

Glossary Issues

resolution: accept items that weren't controversial in survey - TBD provide list
... close issue 1597 with comment "Overcome by events. New definition is based on "baseline.""
... close 1846 with comment - Yes. WCAG 2.0 is intended to be be applied to content developed in multiple languages. Initialisms, acronyms, and abbreviations are addressed by SC 3.1.4 and the related "How to Meet..." and Techniques documents.
... define "real-time events" as "events that are live"

<scribe> ACTION: GV to check that new real-time events definition works for the SC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]

resolution: close 722 with comment - new definition for real-time events
... (see above)
... close 1722 with comment
... We have tried to remove nested definitions where we can.

<scribe> ACTION: John, Gregg to search for existing standard definitions of "normative" and "informative" (relates to issue 403) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]

resolution: close 1593 with comment -
... Definition was updated since this issue was raised. Any change of context, including those listed is allowed in response to a user action. The guidelines prevent changing the context not in response to user agent, but spontaneously.
... (see new definition)
... close 1594 and 1595
... define "functionality: processes and outcomes achievable through user action"

<rscano> ISO 9126 set Functionality - A set of attributes that bear on the existence of a set of functions and their specified properties. The functions are those that satisfy stated or implied needs.

<Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to say American English is official language of W3C

<scribe> ACTION: Gregg to refine definition of caption [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]

action 3 = Gregg to refine definition of caption (relates to issue 1696)

<rscano> Captions are a text version of video narrative and are synchronized with the images on screen. (www.umuc.edu/ade/glossary.html)

resolution: add following note to definition of sign language (re issue 1696) -
... Note: although some languages have a signed counterpart, most sign languages are an independent language which is unrelated to the spoken language of the same country or culture.
... close 1849 by adding following note to definition of Unicode -
... The Unicode Consortium. The Unicode Standard, Version 4.0.1, defined by: The Unicode Standard, Version 4.0 (Reading, MA, Addison-Wesley, 2003. ISBN 0-321-18578-1), as amended by Unicode 4.0.1 (http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode4.0.1/).

<Sorcha> Sorcha - rejoining

<rscano> ;-)

<Sorcha> thanks

<jslatin> for "information," see JEremy Campbell (1982), _Grammatical Man_

resolution: close 1858 by removing the third bullet from the current definition

<scribe> ... new definition: information

1 A message to be sent and received,

2 A collection of facts or data from which inferences may be drawn.

<Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "1 hour on 1 agenda item"

<Zakim> Christophe, you wanted to say: "Does it make sense to make a distinction between 'host delivery units' and 'supporting delivery units'?"

<judy> +1 for longer-but-more-understandable-approach

<scribe> ACTION: Gregg to explore wording for all the cases of "delivery unit", "authored unit", "perceivable unit" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]

Team C Proposals week of February 13 2006

resolution: accept with edits technique Using both keyboard and other device-specific functions

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to work with Cynthia on the onclick issue for Using both keyboard and other device-specific functions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]

<Andi> scribe: Andi

Ensuring that users are not trapped in content.

resolution: accept with edits

Providing a script on page that warns the user a timeout is about to expire.

return to committee to address comments

this technique is a valid technique - "How to meet" document requires this technique AND a technique to allow the user to extend the time.

resolution: accept with edits

Ensuring content blinks for less than three seconds.

resolution: accept with edits - Michael to work with Yvette to address her concern

timing is not a valid test because the length of the blinking can be affected by the end user's hardware

can only tell by examining the code or the technology - authors don't always have access to it

resolution: change procedure to "Find all items that blink. For each item that blinks, determine the interval between when the blinking starts and when it stops." This does not completely resolve the issue but it's better.

1.1 survey

resolution: accept with edits. Team A to get with those who posted "other" comments to ensure that their issues are resolved with recent edits.

topic 2.4 survey (February 16)

<Sorcha> BRB

GL 2.4 Issues and Techniques (Feb 16)

drop 2.4.1

<scribe> ACTION: cynthia to write some techniques on nav bars, send to Team B (John) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]

<Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "Links can be programmatically determined?"

Describing the delivery unit in text immediately preceding the programmatic reference

<Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to say it's hard to favour a technique, even a good one, that supports a SC I voted against

<Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "this is a general technique" and to say "can't have different bars for different technologies"

no resolution - discuss on list - try to get to consensus position

Misc. 1.1, 2.3, 3.2 and 4.1 items from Team A (23 Feb.)

<Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to say Ben's comment clarifies, but doesn't affect my vote. But, it's the same sort of situation as we just had with 2.4, not sure how to resolve to my

Describing what will happen before a change to a form control is made

<Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "Sometimes seeing the technique helps you realize you're against the SC but by then the SC has already been voted for"

resolution: accept with edits - objections to SC are not valid reasons to object to the technique as long as the technique is valid for the SC

Failure due to automatically submitting a form and presenting new content when the last field in the form is given a value without prior warning

resolution: accept with edits - editors will ensure consistency of failure techniques

Failure due to launching a new window when a radio button is checked

resolution: accept with edits

Failure due to launching a new window when an item in a pulldown menu is selected

return to Team A - not all instances of this should be a failure (for example, launching a dialog when you select a menu should be okay)

Providing a mechanism to open a new window instead of opening an automatic pop-up window and changing the current window without informing the user

return to Team A

Failure due to opening a pop-up when a user enters text into an input field

return to Team A

 

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: cynthia to write some techniques on nav bars, send to Team B (John) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Gregg to explore wording for all the cases of "delivery unit", "authored unit", "perceivable unit" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Gregg to refine definition of caption [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: GV to check that new real-time events definition works for the SC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: John, Gregg to search for existing standard definitions of "normative" and "informative" (relates to issue 403) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to work with Cynthia on the onclick issue for Using both keyboard and other device-specific functions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/23-wai-wcag-irc]
 
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