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EOWG Minutes, June 6, 2001


Outreach updates:

Appendix on demographics:

AP Demographics. Was working on. Hard. Need to go to a physical library. Looking for worldwide data.

JB Using what approach? Looked at UN?

AA Looked at WHO, UN, couldn't find it.

GL Recently also did demographic research for a paper just finished. Will post and will update. Found most of it on the Web.

JB Please send to EOWG list rather than just to me. Important to put it in context of disability demographics being just one part of other benefits including benefits to other users.

GL Paper was about demographics in North America. Psycho-social approaches. Can share info.

AP Started on data part, not yet narrative.

WL Expansion of demographics by other family members affected.

JB Question about whether this applies to Web.

WL **Will write something up about why others affected.

Promotion of Accessibility through National Information Consortium

DP Diana Pursell: Have been learning about accessibility over the past few years. Company is world's largest partner of e-government services. Develop e-government solutions. All of a sudden there is a new demand for accessibility. Governments are scared to death. Communicating/training/creating accessible Web pages. People are very confused about the Section 508 regulations, and what W3C has to do with it, and what ADA has to do with it. Encourage State and Local Web sites to be pro-active; take steps to deal with this. State and City governments are saying that this doesn't affect us. Trying to tell these places that it does apply and that it's the good thing to do.

JB Do you know the connection?


JB Yes but before that, Sec 508 applied to State gov't by linkage through fed-funded Tech Act projects at State level. To receive their 4th & 5th year funding & then 6th though 10th the State gov'ts had to provide assurance to feds that State gov'ts were in compliance with fed Sec. 508. Later when Tech Act amended, direct mention of Sec 508 compliance was removed but the new law retained clause stating that states must continue to abide by previously supplied assurances to feds, in order to continue receiving funding under the successor to the Tech Act legislation. Therefore there is a continued presumption that Sec 508 applies to State Gov'ts. At the same time, ADA has some applicability because while when passed in 1990 it predated the spread of the Web, in Sept 1996 US Dept of Justice issued an opinion stating that they interpret the ADA as applying to the Internet and the Web with regard to Titles II and III, e.g. state and local gov'ts, plus "places of public accommodation" which is typically construed to include places of business, be they physical or virtual ,such as for instance a commercial Web site. So in the US there are potentially two ways in which State gov'ts have obligations to ensure accessibility of their Web sites -- Sec 508 through assurance provided from states to feds under Tech Act, and ADA through State & local gov't Title. Some State gov'ts have put policies referencing Web Content Accessibility Guidelines in place. Others have put in place requirements referencing Sec 508, or other. Some are still trying to figure out.

AA New South Wales and Victoria each have policies, at the state level in Australia.

JB Any policy at the federal level geared to trigger development in the individual states, apart from existing federal policy?

AA DDA applies to whole country, HREOC adminsters DDA and written papers to reference WAI, so any new state will automatically reference WCAG.

GL Not so familiar with provincial level provisions. And Quebec marches to different laws.

DP Wrote a white paper on accessibility, effect of ADA on State and Local government. Doing a lot of research. Since then helping states develop and refine their policies. Promoting implementation planning by states, ensuring that they have support.

AA What you're doing sounds very similar to activities out of Vision Australia, working with different parts of government. Can I see your paper?

DP Yes. Working with NASIRE, NASCIO National Association of State CIO's. Am on two accessibility working groups with NASCIO. Have been hashing over this paper that I wrote.

JB Any chance to address them on the issue of harmonization?

DP Would be great. Put in contact. Paper is historical. Synopsis of legislation. Federal background. How it will be enforced. What was the ADA, how does it affect, do I have to.

WL Anyone say no?

DP People are trying to get away from Sec. 508.

WL People will recognize the inevitability of this.

DP States will receive federal funding. And the audience issue.

Business Case for Web Accessibility:

JB Any additional pieces for review today?

AA Started a redraft of auxiliary benefits appendix but not done yet.

GL Started a draft of business case for educational institutions but not done yet.

ALL Encouragement to send raw draft to the list for comment.

GL OK will do.

ALL Reviewed current state of draft resource suite available at:


Updated change log details outcome of 6 June discussion on bcase document, at:


[Please see detail in log since notetaker switched duties during that discussion]

Future meetings at this time slot:

JB This time was good for people? Later better?

AP Good

DP Good

GL Good and later would not work

JB Would be too late for Israel at well, current member cannot attend our Friday timeslot.

AA Not bad (started at 6:00 a.m. in Melbourne)

JB Once a month planned; twice a month interesting?

ALL Twice a month better

JB OK for coming month too much travel between now and then but go ahead with next meeting in one month, Wednesday July 11 at US Eastern 4:00 p.m.

ALL Thanks & 'Bye

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