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<scribe> scribe: bbezaire
lofton: looks like we have everyone we expected.
<tmichel> agenda is fine
lofton: can we get a WebEx for tomorrow?
Stuart: I will forward the information
<lofton> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Apr/0019.html
lofton: any items missing?
list seems complete for now
1.) editorial issue with 'scale()' method: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00051.html
<tmichel> I have lost you on zakim. I am dialing back.
lofton: proposing Result: newMatrix = thisMatrix x scale(sx,sy) x rotate(angle) x translate(-rx,-ry).
sorry: Result: newMatrix = thisMatrix x translate(rx,ry) x scale(sx,sy) x translate(-rx,-ry).
lofton: no, I want to remove that. keep it
simple.
... Result: newMatrix = thisMatrix x scaleMatrix.
Resolution: simplify it... Result: newMatrix = thisMatrix x scaleMatrix.
2.) QUESTION: 'maplist' or 'mapList'? http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00066.html
<lofton> Resolution: convert 'maplist' and 'dashlength' to camel-case in the DTD.
3.) ACI substitution of non-existent font: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00037.html
Don: I think text is clear on that, but a side issue was raised from this.
<lofton> reference: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/drafts/current-editor-21/WebCGM21-Config.html#ACI-deffont
Don: can defaultFont be used by itself, without a maplist in the ACI
Dave: you can have zero maplist in the file
Don: ok, good.
<lofton> Resolution: no changes needed.
we will get back getObjectExtent a bit later, skip it for now
5.) ACI DTD and conformance: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00100.html (Proposed: Dave's new wording.)
Rob: I think the biggest thing missing right now is that it doesn't say it has to be a valid document, but only a well-formed document.
<lofton> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Apr/0018.html
<lofton> Resolution: fix Ch.9 conformance bits per Dave's proposal.
6.) upgrade XML 1.0 references to 5th Edition: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00104.html
Rob: we reference more than one edition for XML 1.0
lofton: would it change any conformance
criteria for WebCGM 2.1?
... I've also seen a thread on erratum processing against the 5th edition
<scribe> ACTION: Rob to investigate if XML 1.0 5th edition has implication on WebCGM. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Rob
4.) getObjectExtent and text (thread splits):
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00077.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00078.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/cgmo-webcgm/200904/msg00116.html
<Stuart> Sorry, I need to run. I will be back as soon as I can.
<dave> me too, gotta run
lofton: I think someone should take Forrest's
information and draw a picture of it.
... and identify where the y-min and y-max should be
<scribe> ACTION: Forrest to draw a picture of the y-min and y-max values of a few characters [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Forrest
<tmichel> thanks i can access the FTP
<tmichel> ftp://ftp.cgmlarson.com/
<lofton> ftp://ftp.cgmlarson.com/test-matrix.htm
<tmichel> and now ftp://ftp.cgmlarson.com/test-matrix.htm works also
lofton: I think we should publish a snapshot of the test suite.
Don: we should sync it with the next draft
lofton: I think that's a good idea.
tmichel: do we plan to advertise the test suite?
lofton: no, not for the 2nd last call
tmichel: ok, only for CR.
<lofton> Resolution: the WG recommends that the TC should publish a snapshot of the Test Suite at the same time as the anticipated 2nd LCWD is published.
issue on transformAPS test
Ulrich: we agree with Forrest's findings
... we are looking into this.
<lofton> (transformAnimation may be affected as well.)
<lofton> next: setGetFillOffset issue
Forrest: I think the CGM file I submitted should be modified
Ulrich: what is the implication of setGetFillOffset on the picture level?
lofton: do we have any other style properties that apply only to APS and not the picture?
Ulrich: the test is fine if we want to apply this at the picture level
lofton: should we test the set and get at the picture level for one or more SP?
Don: yes, I think it would make the test suite more complete
lofton: I think we should use one of the simpler SPs to test the picture level.
<scribe> ACTION: Forrest to change fill-offset test to target APS level [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Forrest
<scribe> ACTION: Forrest to create a new test targeting a SP at the Picture level [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/27-webcgm-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Forrest
<lofton> issue: aciFileSearch
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-18 - AciFileSearch ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/track/issues/18/edit .
<lofton> next: aciFileSearch problem
Don: we couldn't find a good way to test
aciFileSearch, we couldn't see a way to do one with real value
... we should replace the example in 9.2.3 from /WebCGM to /WebCGM.aci
<lofton> I will fix the example in 9.2.3 so that it is a complete path to the ACI *file*, not just a directory.
<lofton> We will call this to Stuart and Dave's attention for any further feedback (and put on Tues agenda).
<lofton> Resolution: aciFileSearch test should be removed from the test suite.
next: getObjectExtent
talking about Figure 11 in CGM:1999
<stuart> I am dialing in
lofton: lets talk about getObjectExtent after Forrest has completed his action item
all items: graph the font metric marks, look at XML 1.0 5e upgrade, transformAPS test, setGetFillOffset test have an action item
lofton: I will contact implementers to see if mid-July CR/test-fest F2F makes sense
talking about last call publication
tmichel: it is common practice to request feedback only on the latest changes.
<tmichel> let me redial ...
Thierry and Lofton will look into diffs of past draft documents.
adjourn
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